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Danny Kruger

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  1. No, I'm also a terrible cook. I mean, that's the other way I let her down, I'm afraid. It's not an inherited skill. She has tried to teach me, but no, I'm no pro

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  2. I adore my mum and I think she's really good on it when I have seen it. I like the bakers. I think they're always really sweet and entertaining, but I just don't have the impulse really to watch it. My kids like it, seeing their granny.

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  3. I feel so sad. I've got to be honest, I don't watch it. I don't watch it. Never. I mean, I have, but I mean, she does understand. It's not my kind of telly.

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  4. Be in government together with Who knows? No, well, listen, we are, I mean, it's a tragic reality, the personal dimension here. I want to see reform MPs elected everywhere. It's very, very painful to see recognized decent, good people that I like and respect.

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  5. Now, genuinely, this is, of course, I mean, you're completely repudiated the basis on which he stood for election. If you're now supporting the government that you opposed, I think that's a legitimate case for calling for a by-election. I'm Lit Nick. I'm literally moving a couple of seats to the side on the opposition benches doing exactly the same thing I was doing before, which is voting against everything Labor trying to do.

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  6. Yes, I think that was a member for Berry North or South who literally crossed the floor. I think if you cross from Labour to Conservative, from the governing party.

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  7. No, because I stood as the same thing I am now, which is someone opposing Labour, standing for conservative values and representing my constituents as best I can. I think if you...

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  8. Experts currently working in the civil service, former civil service, former military, think tanks, academics, and the general public who experience the reality of what looks like on the ground so that when we get into government, we know what we're doing and that the system as a whole has been told in advance this is what is coming.

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  9. So, thank you. So, I do have a role, which is to work with Zia Youssef, who is the head of policy, to develop the plans for government. So this is what is so positive. And as I said at the beginning, my concern about, which I think the public have legitimate concern, reform are a great protest, great campaigners. They've identified the problem. And Nigel Farage has demonstrated his own vision and resilience and sort of right to lead. Will they actually be any good in government? And the great obligation on us now as a party is to prove that we are preparing meaningfully for government, which of course Starmer never did. I mean, the great scandal of this government is he came into office with no plan and has hit the rocks so quickly as a result. We will be different. We will approach the next election with a carefully worked out set of both policies but also plans for delivery. And yes, and you ask, I mean, my role will be to lead that preparation for government work. So I'm liaising with a lot of...

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  10. In other words, it wouldn't have to be someone working now and absolutely not. And of course, there's no intention to have some sort of pension or deportation program. What we're trying to do is to ensure that many of those people who have come into this country in recent years will have to leave voluntarily because they will no longer be entitled to benefits, which they shouldn't be getting in the first place, or to apply for a visa that enables them to stay as long as they are working and paying their way and can speak English.

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  11. On the contrary, they will be invited to apply for a new status that reflects the fact they are properly members of this community. They should also frankly be applying for British citizenship if they, as you described, and they'd be very welcome to do so.

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  12. Yes, because what we're actually saying is we're going to end the status of indefinite leave to remain, which is a passport to mass migration, as we've seen. Millions of people coming to this country initially temporarily, but then ending up here forever. And the policy is not to just arbitrarily deport them all. On the contrary, it's to invite them to apply for a proper visa to get status that enables them to stay here because they are making a positive contribution, because they speak English. Would a pensioner be?

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  13. If that's a version of the violent language, it's a very, very tame one. I mean, for goodness sake, how am I to speak at all if I can't say, you can't use terms like that? I'm not inviting people, and in fact I'm absolutely discouraging any form of political violence. I think the reason why we have a divisive politics, the reason why we have some toxicity in our politics, the reason why we have Tommy Robinson, the reason why we have do have real threats of political violence in our country is because the established parties have not acknowledged the scale of distress that the public feel. And that is cultural, it's economic, it's social. And if mainstream politicians like me can't say we have a real problem here and that we have to reflect in our policy the scale of the challenge, then we are really are going to have the political violence that we all want to avoid. So I don't think it's inappropriate to use, I hope, strong and clear language to

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  14. Do because I think he, like Nigel Farage, recognizes how broken the American system was. And partly it's all about this kind of woke nonsense, partly it's about immigration, but most fundamentally it's about is the government actually in charge, is the elected government able to implement the will of the people in an election? And that's what has been so dysfunctional about Western politics generally. But Trump's...

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  15. Listen, I hope you don't reflect or copy any of the divisiveness, obviously the political violence, and the sort of extremes of rhetoric that are much just more traditional in the American politics than ours. So let us please not import American-style politics here. Nevertheless, the answer to the question is, yes, absolutely. The Americans are, like the rest of the West, waking up to the disaster of the progressive ideology that instead started in the US, well, started in Europe as well, but particularly in the 60s in America that we imported here. So yes, I'd like to see, I think we are seeing that sort of conservative cultural renewal over here, which is a positive one, all sorts of indicators of people becoming more serious, getting serious about this stuff. And the other thing, and this is maybe where you were going, do I admire President Trump and his tactics? Well, I can't.

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  16. He liked his boots. It's not judgmental, as I hope I'm not either. None of us are perfect, especially in our family lives. So it's not for us to be finger-wagging or holding ourselves up as better than anybody else. But what he does stand for, genuinely is family. It's the first line of the slogan of the Reform Party, family, community, country. He has himself said how important he believes family and marriages, and he said he'd like to see the state actually support marriage. So yes, I think he is up for this, but I hope he won't do it at a sort of caricature of Puritan.

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  17. And theatre. No, no, no, no. Actually, and well, listen, leaving those issues aside, which is a massive life for Brown, notwithstanding abolishing Christmas. They didn't, they didn't. What they did do, they were proper liberals, and they totally respected the rights of people to their own conscience. So they actually brought into our culture the idea of freedom of conscience. But listen, whether Farage is with them or not, I think he is not much.

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  18. Yeah, so I admire the Puritans actually who have been much maligned by history. They were not anti fun. They were also very liberal. No, absolutely not.

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  19. Well, it tries very hard. It has a concept of living together as a married couple, and it's a 15-page document that gives the DWP a sort of guide to trying to work out whether this couple is actually a real couple or not. And do they look like a married couple or not? I mean, it's very complicated and bureaucratic and intrusive. Marriage is great because you don't need to pry into somebody's circumstances if they've got that piece of paper. So I think we should be honouring and reflecting this great commitment that people make to each other to get married and actively supporting the stability for the couple themselves, for their children, and actually their elderly parents as well, often forgotten in these debates. I mean, divorce or separation, it's very hard on grandparents as well. So yes, I would love us to work out a way to support the kind of stability, family stability, that as I say, most people actually wanted for themselves.

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  20. Punisher isn't the right word, but the welfare system has all sorts of incentives. I mean, most obviously, you do better as a couple if you live apart than if you live together because the state will support you and two households. The state makes sense.

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  21. As close to home as possible. There are ways I think that we can shape our policy that reflects the kind of life that most people want to live.

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  22. That's a very good example. So marriage is obviously a private matter, and yet people's decisions whether to marry are influenced by economic circumstances and by cultural signals. And I think it is the fact that the government at the moment sends all sorts of signals economically and culturally about couple formation, family formation when you have children, which at the moment are disastrous, frankly. I mean, we're seeing chronic rates of family breakdown collapsing child birth rate. So I think it is appropriate for the government to think, how dovers that we pull fiscally, legally, culturally, influence these issues around family formation? And I would hope that we would as a reform government think about the household, think about the family, think about couples, think about the way children are supported in their early years in a way that makes it easier to do what most people want to do, which is to have stable families, to have children, to look after their own parents in a way that is consistent with decency and fairness.

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  23. The government's got to do something about it I don't think it's appropriate for parties to set out manifesto commitments on conscience questions. They might be around implementation. So I do think there's a real problem, for instance, with the assisted dying bill that's going through Parliament now. I don't think a good government would be giving time and support to a bill like that. It might be neutral about the principle, but I think there is a case probably for looking at the implementation of some of these issues. But no, it's not for parties to dictate what are essentially moral questions for people.

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  24. These things, no, I think those are conscience issues, certainly assisted dying, abortion. Gay marriage. These issues that have been legislated for were free votes, and I think that's definitely the way to continue them.

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  25. You can integrate if it's slow and steady and gradual. What we've seen in the last generation is immigration on such a scale. That integration that we've seen from previous immigrant waves of immigration. Isn't possible.

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  26. Certainly for anybody living in this country, they have to conform to the law and fundamentally to the values of our country. If they're going to live apart, they still have to live in a way that's consistent with British values and the British law. So yes, I am concerned if it appears it is indeed the case, that you have communities that are essentially living in ways that are incompatible with the way of life that we expect. But primarily it's the former point, your first point, which is that we are seeing a segregated society. We're seeing people living not just as there's always been in this country, sad to say, you know, class divisions and some cultural divisions, but a whole community is living in an entirely unbritish life.

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  27. The specific point is that Islam is a great world religion, has all sorts of prescriptions about how to live. And primarily it's about living apart. I mean, obviously there are many Muslims who successfully integrate and we need more of that. The problem is that Islam brings with it the expectation that you will live in a certain way that is not conforming to the traditional habits of life of the UK. As I say, it's primarily, in fact, it's entirely a question of degree because we have many little subcultures within our country that live apart. My concern is when whole cities essentially become Muslim, then we've got change that I don't think the people voted for and is not consistent with the best interests of our country.

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  28. What's the threat if there are too many Muslims? Well, the threat is primarily cultural, which is that we are talking about very large numbers of people who have a very different way of life and a different worldview and who live and who live set apart. So I think it's the legitimate concern and it explains why there is such distress and disquiet in so many communities around the UK. And it should never be disparaged. The pace of change, the rate of immigration is simply too great and too swift. Is he right

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  29. Well, I mean, on a simple numerical basis, I mean, the great thing about this country is it's always been a home for religious diversity and cultural diversity, and it's something that's, I think it's a product of our Christian heritage that we're very good at accommodating difference and we have real respect for freedom of conscience. You can believe whatever you like. Religious beliefs. I do think we have a Christian state, and that is worth defending for reasons I set out in the speech.

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  30. Lovely, decent, intelligent people, just profoundly misguided in my view, and it's just an opinion, and they'll think the same about me. I think, and I hope we can have these conversations in a civil way, even if we have to be very clear about our disagreement.

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  31. That's right. I hope I can do it all courteously. I'm not picking on individuals. In fact, I have a great deal of respect and some affection for a lot of people I disagree profoundly with, including Muslims, by the way, who I mentioned concern about the growth of Islam as well. There are some brilliant Muslims, including in the House of Commons, who make a major contribution. Let me come on to that. But likewise with the sort of the woke, you know, the progressives.

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  32. I wish we had a better name than woke because I think woke sort of trivializes this very powerful idea that is a combination, I think I said in the speech, of sort of Christian heresy, because it comes out of a sort of Christian idea about individual freedom and value, which is obviously admirable. But it basically repudiates all of these inherited associations and commitments around country, community, family. At its root, it's about challenging the foundations of our society and taking acts to the root of our country. So I'm very, very hostile to the whole, the critical theory, the arguments around race, around sex and gender, that I think whether deliberately or not, aimed at the destruction of the things that make our society healthy.

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  33. Prisons and depositing lots of people from prison. So do I. But listen, who actually doesn't think what I've just said is true, which is we need justice and we need rehabilitation and we need to help young people not go down a life of crime. Of course Nigel thinks that as do reform members I'm sure.

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  34. both well not punishing them for walking down the street I hope but yeah punish them if they actually commit crime I think both those things are true though Nick and that's the point we're making and actually I mean I stand by thanks for reading it out I haven't heard that for years but yeah that's that's right I mean I spent time today as you said we'd set up a charity MRI working in prisons still running it was there today with a bunch of our ex-offenders I'm very pleased that they felt the full force of the law for the crimes they did but they also need support not to re-offend and I think a decent society recognizes the need for justice but also the need for getting around ex offenders and young people at risk and saying how can we put you on a better path for me that feels both right and perfectly conservative and actually I think I challenge you idea of reform voters next seriously

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  35. So I'm very proud of that speech. It was a lesson in political communication because I discovered through it you can't get more than one idea in a headline. And we were actually trying to say two things, both of which are true, both conservative, I think. One is if people break the law, they need to be properly punished. But if before that, and frankly after they've been punished, they need the support of a community. And particularly these young offenders, it was during the sort of hoodie scare of antisocial behavior on our streets, very real problem now as well. We do need to recognize these are young people who need the support of a strong family and a community, but they also need clear boundaries and they need swift punishment when they break the law. Those are not controversial ideas to me, and I'm proud that David Cameron was saying them.

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  36. Yeah, I mean, in its simplest it is, it's the idea that we're self-creating beings who can decide what is good and bad and what is actual reality. I mean, we can create reality, we can decide, I mean, the most obvious recent example, we can decide what sex we are. We can defy biological reality because that is our sovereign right as individuals. There's a sort of terrible narcissism at the heart of, I think, of modern culture, which is unnatural. It doesn't make us happy. It runs against all that we understand about actually how human beings develop, that we are relational. And my conservatism proceeds from the idea that there's a we before an I, that in fact freedom and individualism are the products of a stable society, and we can't be properly free unless we meaningfully belong. So that's my conservatism.

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  37. Horrible? No, I mean it's not that horrible, but I was a sort of purest libertarian as a teenager. I grew out of it. I wish everyone would who still holds to that philosophy that were just solitary individuals. The only rule is don't hurt others. Get on with your life. The idea that everyone is selfish and that's good because it'll produce good for everybody else. I just don't think that's an adequate worldview. It wasn't actually Thatcher's worldview either, of course. He was much more of a proper conservative, but that's the caricature that I was momentarily. Taken with, but it didn't last. I read Edwin Book. I read, I became a communitarian at university. That's what.

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  38. Massively, of course. Yeah, I have always been very conscious of that. And without sounding too pompous, I hope, I recognize the responsibilities that that brings that I've been very blessed in this life materially and relationally. I mean, fundamentally, the best blessing you can have is a happy upbringing. But yeah, I know materially I have had it had it easier.

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  39. I don't know. What was it like growing up without it? I mean, this was my childhood, wasn't it? I mean, I had never struck me as strange until I was older that my mum was in the papers when I was young. Maybe it'd be different now. I mean, she's like mega famous. She was quite a big deal in the 80s. She was on TV a lot. We didn't have social media, so I think of being a celebrity like she is now is probably of different order. But I'm very detached from it, thankfully.

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  40. Yes, yes, absolutely. I mean, my mum's absolutely brilliant. I have huge love and respect for her, and she's been such an important influence over me, including in this idea that you follow your values and your beliefs and you live them out. So she's been nothing but supportive of me and my politics. She doesn't agree with everything I stand for or say. And she and I disagree profoundly on the assisted suicide debate where she's been a very prominent campaigner for it. I'm very against it. But yeah, we've always been able to discuss this. As my sister and my late father, it's never been difficult to disagree well in my family, which is a great blessing.

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  41. Atheism. I mean, you know, what atheism is the belief there's nothing out there except me. I could poke my head up into the supernatural and I look around and I just see myself. I mean, that's what I think is so empty about it as a religion. But fundamentally it is one. It is a belief about what exists.

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  42. I respect Shamana for saying that, and I think that's right. But I think that applies to all of us. So, yes, the answer is absolutely, of course. I would hope I would put my beliefs, my faith ahead of anything. That's what we're required to do as believers. It's a fundamental foundational above all. But I actually think, Nick, that applies to all of us. I mean, how else do we proceed in our lives from day to day except guided by our values, our metaphysics, what we think we're here for, what we think matters. So I think we are all religious beings.

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  43. Yes, yes, my then girlfriend. So that's right. In my mid-20s, I grew up an atheist and an atheist family. But I mean, a small Conservative one with, I think, a real just inherited respect for the kind of values that I now have. So there wasn't a great wrench in terms of my worldview, but except fundamentally, I came to believe in the Christian faith. And that happened thanks to Emma. And the moment, there was a moment of conversion there, unlike my defection to reform. I can trace, I can pinpoint the moment. It was when I was reading C.S. Lewis, Mia Christianity. And somewhere in that book between starting and finishing it, I became a Christian. And yes, I was in my mid-20s then.

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  44. remind ourselves of the way we should live, which is an inherited set of understandings. I think we can fit ourselves for the 21st century very successfully.

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  45. Well, you know, there is that possibility. I mean, their technology is now accelerating to the point where we could extinguish ourselves at the price of a button or the crack of a vial. There are huge dangers representing themselves to us. But let me emphasize, I mean, I'm being romantic there about my own constituency. I represent this amazing Neolithic landscape with the monuments of these extinct civilizations. And I was making the point not totally flippantly, but with some irony, I think, about the fact that civilizations pass and there we have no right to exist as a cultural or civilization. And I do think there are serious threats to the UK specifically, but to the Western general, about the way we are going. But as I say, the great thing about this country and our culture across the West is that it has always has the seeds of renewal in it. And I think if we remember...

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  46. Don't you think, Nick? I mean, you think everything's going fine. I think there are real reasons to be very, very worried about the state of our society. There are also massive reasons to be optimistic, as if you've read on in a book you would have seen I have. We'll talk about the ideas that you think might make a difference. It could be absolutely tremendous for our country. And I'm very optimistic on that front. Hold on

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  47. Simply not true that she realized. Well, there are a number of Sharia courts operating in the UK. So, I do think it's a legitimate concern. We absolutely have to be very, very mindful of the imposition of alternative legal systems in our country. So I think that's a legitimate concern that people have in this country and abroad. And I do want to insist that I think it's acceptable, and Boris Johnson needs to get in trouble for this as well, using language that ordinary people use, like invasion, and then a whole sort of deluge of opposition and sort of tone policing kicks in from the media and from opposition parties as if he's not allowed to use plain English.

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  48. Yeah, I mean, I mean, listen, I think it's acceptable for politicians to speak in sort of democratic language, we might say. I think one of the problems we've got is that there's an expectation that the tone that politicians use has to be extremely sort of highfalutin or professional. That'd be true. Frankly, blood is true.

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  49. I think I do, yes. I mean, I absolutely do. Where I'm hesitant is perhaps in the tone and some of the examples that Americans cite about Britain, I think they've got a very, very negative view of the state of our country. But fundamentally, I do agree with what the Vice President is saying about the state of our country. Both the problems we have due to mass migration over many years and the problems of an overweening state that is restricting personal liberty and free speech in particular. Yes, I think he's right to say what he said and to challenge the West in general and Europe most of all

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  50. And they wanted to maintain the spending limit for universal credit. And I actually think they're in the right place on that. But what I was very concerned at that stage before the summer, that they didn't seem to have any real plan about reducing welfare spending overall. And I'm glad to say that since then, they had a party conference in which Nigel Farage said very clearly they absolutely are going to cut welfare spending. He said it again at the press conference this week. On that very important question, will they bring down overall public spending and particularly on welfare? They're in the right position. And so they're not going to spend money like drunken sailors, thankfully.

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