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  1. “You know, look, Mickey at the time had an awful reputation. And I think that's because, you know, he in many ways a lot of his worst enemy because he just loved acting, but he also loved boxing. And he had this fight and struggle between him, which one he was going to focus on. And I think he really respected the box. Anyway, whatever happened with him, you know, everyone was warning me about him, everyone, but I love him and I loved his work before I knew him. I just thought his work was exceptional. And I felt a crime on the acting arts that he did not have more opportunities to share himself with the world because whenever he has shared himself, it was unbelievable from Barf. To Angel Heart, to all that beautiful early work he did, and then it just sort of disappeared.”

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  2. “So, clearly, it's a major mood blocker and changer and alternator and all that stuff. So I think that's interesting. And then I've heard and read all about the health benefits of it. And then, of course, there's all the meditative elements of it to control the mind over the body and all what David Belaine is always demonstrating clearly going to some serious extremes. You know, I think there are lessons to be learned and experiences to have had during it.”

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  3. “To control my mood, knowing that some of that anxiety and anger will disappear as soon as I eat. So it's sometimes a good thing to sort of motivate myself to help with the work in certain ways. So I do do my own mood enhancement. I mean, for a long time, you know, I was dating someone and, you know, we used to get at each other. And then finally, someone turned me on to the word hangry, which is the hungry angry, which I think is probably pretty common now. But at the time, it was a pretty new word. And it kind of changed my relationship and kept the relationship going for an extra three, four years because we could actually identify why we both became assholes for a little bit.”

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  4. “I mean, once again, it's just the way it's clearly a way to explore other spaces. I mean, I immediately, for me, if I've got a difficult meeting where I kind of have to be a jerk because something's not getting done correctly, you know, if I skip breakfast and do it close to when lunch is, you know, I get stuff done. So I do in my own way, I do micro fasting.”

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  5. “A little bit. It's something I definitely want to get more into. I've been totally into the idea for a long time. Of course, I fast once a year. Not that I'm religious, but because I like the spiritual practice of fasting once a day with my buddies. And so I get together with my friends and fast for that one day. long-term fasting I think is fascinating and I've heard great stories about it but I haven't I haven't actually had it it's amazing how Little that goes on in our privileged lives and how that's just a very interesting practice.”

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  6. “Fuck the vets. Yeah, yeah. Dec It's funny though, because another thing I'm involved with is I'm on the board of directors for the Sierra Club. And a big part of what Sierra Club is trying to do is get vets into nature. And we have all these different programs that do that. In fact, I actually went to the Arctic with two vets, and it was amazing for them to sort of, you know, not just to have that experience, which is completely mind expansive to see, you know, nature in a true wilderness, like what's happening in the Arctic. I think a lot of them, what they express to me is they actually, this is what they were fighting for, was to defend this in their spirit. So they actually get to see the beauty of America outside of the cities that they're from.”

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  7. “That's what's fascinating, all that stuff that Maps is doing with PTSD and the fact that the defense department is supporting it because it seems to be working. I just saw a film that came out of Israel that is using MDMA to sort of help people deal with not just soldiers, but people deal with all different types of emotional distress. It's fascinating and it's interesting. It's clearly if the defense department is sort of supporting it, then there's probably some, you know, it's probably pretty.”

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  8. “There's a lot of wisdom to come out of some exploration in a safe type of examination as long as very controlled environments, there's clearly tremendous benefit that's happened for society. That's recently been discovered and is being rediscovered right now.”

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  9. “Well, look, I think I've researched it, read a lot about it. I think it's very interesting. I mean, you know, the story of deer in Siberia that eat mushrooms and fall over. And it doesn't seem like there's any true survival of the fittest evolutionary positivity for a deer to make itself that helpless. So maybe there is something else going on that some other medicine or something else that this creature is getting out of putting itself at risk was just a fascinating idea. And the fact that shamanism and reaching alternative states has been just part of our culture for a super long time and then somehow got completely washed out and I don't know, turned into the sacrament, maybe rock and roll music, but we've really lost anything that's sort of trying to Reach away from scientific reality is. Clearly, a loss, and it seems like.”

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  10. “You know, luckily my hubris doesn't go that far when I get that worry. I'm not crazy hypochondriac stuff, but yeah, sure. When I was a I think when I was a teenager and I read somewhere that schizophrenia's onset can happen in your 20s, that idea that when you're a fully formed human being, suddenly things can change for you. That was a scary idea. Will it happen for me? But I definitely think when it came to perhaps Exploring plant enhancements, I was always a little terrified that I might go too far in a certain direction. But it's always been the back of my head a little bit just because a lot of that stuff is genetic. But I don't think it's really haunting me. But I guess maybe a little bit you thought of the possibility, the fear of it.”

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  11. “And he said something like, yeah, that's like if you fuck a snake, you get an elephant. And I remember hearing it, I was whatever. I was 12 or 13, but that's kind of a crazy metaphor and kind of beautiful. And it's so extreme, you know, it was like the best way of saying, yeah, right. Like you're selling me the Brooklyn Bridge. But he had many of those that were just sort of like, that's not proper English, but it kind of works, you know.”

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  12. “Or I think how they were using between genius and insanity. And there were things that my uncle would say that he was a highly functioning guy. He worked as an engineer for New York City for his entire life and had a pension and all that made it through, but lived a very tough, tough life because of the illness. But he would say things that were just unbelievable, brilliant. I remember one time. My dad was talking to him about something about how to do something. I don't remember exactly the details. And he said, well, I can't really say this on radio, right? Oh, you can't.”

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  13. “Around that, and I got to see it very, very close and sort of saw his mindset and also how it weighed on my family and the emotional ripples from that were tremendous. And then I also saw how society treated people like that. So it's something I've been very close to and I've always thought about it. I remember reading What was it, the denial of death. Did you ever read that book? No. That's a good one for you.”

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  14. “Years, the fountain took me six years. Noah was an idea for 20 years. You know, it's a long time. But I was like, is it possible as a filmmaker to take a single emotion and a feeling? And it's kind of what I was feeling right in that moment and try to channel it into a single track and into a movie. And I think that's kind of captures a single emotion, this film, even though it has other stuff. It really was one color that burst right through.”

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  15. “But I didn't know how to structure it. And then I had this kind of breakthrough of what the structure is. And I had a five day weekend without my son was with his mom and I was all alone. And I just sat in my kitchen. I actually didn't go up to the desk and I just pounded it out in my kitchen, in my underwear, barely eating. It was just like this fever that came out of me in five days. And when I was done with the script, I showed it to my producers who didn't know I was even working on something. And they were like, well, wow, I think there's something here. And it's weird. I think I've always been jealous of musicians. You hear the story where Bob Dylan wrote a song in the afternoon and it became, you know, the anthem for a generation. But as filmmakers, we really don't get to do that. It takes us to two to five years. I mean, you know, black swan, the first meeting when Natalie was 10 years before I shot it. The wrestler was eight years.”

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  16. “So I proceeded to pound through procrastinating by reading Cari and scaring the living crap out of myself. You know, when you read King, it's just like, wow. And then I really had to write quick because I had to get the hell out of this cabin. So I think I wrote the first draft of pie in like 18 hours. But to talk about now, it's funny this new movie, Mother, is very, very different process, the most different process than I've ever done and probably more similar to where I started. I wrote the script in five days. And it was this kind of fever dream when it happened. I had had the idea two weeks before. It started off with this idea for this allegory with a real kind of relationship drama at the core.”

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  17. “I do it less and less. I mean, a funny story. I was just telling my son this was when I wrote Pi, my friend actually who does visual effects for me, his parents had a little cabin up outside of Woodstock. And I was like, hey, can I go there for a few days and pound out my muscle draft on pie? And he was like, yeah, sure. And I went up there. And his parents were intellectuals and just had books and books and books they were academic. So there was tons of books. And I was procrastinating looking through the books. And of course, The only book that caught my attention was Carrie, which I had never read.”

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  18. “To the final form, you know, but you don't want to get the sandpaper out till you're ready for that level of detail work. And so it's just about passes. You keep going through it. And once you say, I'm going to start writing, even if you get to page 30 and you think, oh, page 5 needs something, you just make a note of it and then zap to the end before you ever go back. So it's really like working it way, working slowly away at that big clay.”

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  19. “I'm trying to think. I mean, you know, final draft has been around for a long time now, and it's a great software that I've used. I don't know if Pi was written on it. It's hard to, that was 97, so I doubt it probably. I probably was formatting stuff back then. I don't really remember. But that just helps you. It helps you work quicker because, you know, instead of dealing with indentation, you press tabs and shortcuts to get through it quicker. I mean, you know screenwriting is very much like sculpture in the sense that, you know, if you start with a piece of clay, you don't want to just focus on the hand. Any artist that does that will tell you, you know, then the hand will be like grossly detailed and enlarged compared to the rest of the body. You kind of just want to slowly start cutting away at the clay to get closer and closer.”

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  20. “You know, when you do enter that zone, I don't know if you have a term for it, if you run into it, but there's that zone when you kind of forget time. I imagine athletes are doing it and rock musicians seem to be doing it when their eyes roll back in their head. But as a writer, every once in a while you get that where time disappears and something comes out on the page. And that scene is often something that ends up staying all the way through to the end of the process.”

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  21. “Research and outlines and eventually get to a place where we were exhausted with that. And then I would do something called the muscle draft, where I would go and disappear somewhere, usually far away where I could be very alone and be very lonely. And that loneliness would inspire me to work hard and fast. And I would muscle out a draft, which meant I would never go back. It was all about just pounding through it to get to the end as quick as possible. And it was like a two, three day process. And you come out with like if it ended up being 120 page screenplay, you'd have an 79, 80-page screenplay. But in that muscle draft, there would be moments when you”

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  22. “Writing, including interviews, exactly, I completely understand that procrastination. But my writing partner, a guy write with a lot, Ari Handel, once said to me, probably the most important thing I taught to him was that, and I didn't do this on purpose, is that procrastination is part of the process, that actually your brain needs a break every once in a while. And not to say to abuse that, but to be a little easy on yourself and allow yourself to go to a bookstore, to go to a museum, to just even if you're serious about your work, even when you're not working, you are working. Your brain is putting stuff together. And, you know, inspiration comes from the strangest places, as we all know. You suddenly stumble on something that's exactly what you were looking for when you didn't know you were looking for it. But it's changed my writing process. I used to what I do was a tremendous amount of prep where we would do a tremendous amount.”

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  23. “It was a crime to him. And I felt so, and then I realized I didn't have a chair for it. So then I said, you know, we should make a puzzle chair for it. Five years later. And I paid through the nose for that to get him back. It's a beautiful thing and it's a great desk”

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  24. “Okay, So, anyway, he ended up this master. So, the whole thing has made it completely out of wood. He doesn't work with any other materials but wood. I'm not sure the count on puzzles in the desk, but I mean, scores of them. And eventually they all sort of work together to build to a final release where basically he was able to turn it into a musical instrument. He created bellows all controlled with wood and the draws. And by actually pushing the draws, it creates sounds. And it has a full octave. And he asked me what song I wanted. And it has, he then was able to build basically a computer, a thing that has switches that are all blown by the bellows. And if they're done in the right order, a panel flaps open in the back with a secret draw. So it took him five years to do it, and it was insane. And I think the price we agreed on was a crime at the beginning.”

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  25. “And that there was this one dude who was winning year after year contest and he was a guy in Colorado. So I was like, oh, that's kind of interesting. And so just randomly, I tracked them down and I sent him an email. His name's Kagan Sound. And I sent him an email. I said, hey, did you ever think of doing any furniture? And he's like, well, actually, I'm working on this thing for a library. And I said, well, it would be interesting maybe to do a desk out of it. And he loved the idea. And then it was amazing. He said, a true master. We should probably go over to my house and check it out.”

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  26. “It was interesting. I know you've spent time in Japan. And so I was in Japan probably promoting I don't know if it was Pyo Requiem for a dream. And I went to some spa town south of Tokyo. I can't remember the name of it. And I guess it was the kind of nexus of this place where they make these puzzle boxes. I don't know if you've ever seen them. They're kind of beautiful patterned wooden boxes and you can't really see any hinges or any spaces. But if you slide a few panels in a certain order, and it could be up to 8, 16, 32 moves, depending on how much money you want to spend eventually it opens and there's a secret compartment. And it blew my mind. I had never seen any type of souvenir like it. I bought a couple and I played with it for a long time. And then I think it was early days of internet. So I started to Google a little bit about what it is. There's a whole art form. I won't try to butcher the Japanese word for it. But I then noticed that there were contests worldwide.”

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