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Dave Eggers

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“We have a new one with the NRTC about environmental fiction, sort of envisioning what's coming next because of climate change.”
2020-02-03 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Dave Eggers · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Yeah, the end of trust. End of trust was Yeah. It was great. Yeah, that just came from a phrase I thought of. And then Claire Boyle, the editor, took it from there with, you know, Frontier F. Nailed it.”
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“They get it. If we got a pleasure. We should be happy to be human. There's a lot of good things about being a human being. We don't have to move ourselves.”
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“You know, I mean, whatever it is, we are an animal. We'll finish up in a minute, but I just had a baby and every single thing babies get to lie on is stuff I wish I could lie on all the time. I'm like, why am I not lying on this? They get it? Literally, every pad, every piece of clothing is, I'm like, why aren't I living in this beautiful, soft environment almost always? I mean, at least my baby, not every child gets.”
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“Doesn't everything that we do does not have to be mediated through our machines. And I think that having these safe havens that are just Purely organic wood, copper, brass, messy paper, pens, all of these things that we inherently feel some connection to, you know, because we're still animals. We're always going to seek out these sort of weird feral comforts of other organic soft.”
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“Wonderful organic real life experience onto a screen. And I think that sort of knee-jerk reaction that we've seen in the last 25 years is really weird to me. And then I started here in 1992 in South Park, like I saw all of this come up around me. And that part of it, I didn't see coming. Everything has to be channeled one way. And all mediated through a screen. I did not see that coming. I saw them having parallel, permanently parallel existences. But we do have to see that school can be free of at least somewhat free of every minute prevalence of technology. We can coordinate off spaces and say, you know what? Technology is so good in so many different ways, right? And so valuable. We're using it. I'm using it. But it doesn't have to.”
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“And we have to create a little bit of a separation sometimes. I think that there is not a technological solution to everything. And when we say creativity, it doesn't mean how do we create an app. That makes you creative. But I think a lot of people automatically think that way, okay, what kind of an app or how do we transfer this?”
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“Like the materials So are you, when you think about keeping human creativity, what do you think needs, we have to think about, you know, I have a big tech audience. You're right, everything is on algorithms, everything's minimalistic. Marie condoing ourselves out of existence kind of thing.”
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“This gets into even the materials. Kids actually know the difference between cinder blocks and rich woods and velvets and unnecessarily delicate materials around them and beautiful made things that have a human characteristic to them.”
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“And a lot of new architecture, school architecture sometimes is incredibly reductive and minimal. And I don't think kids respond to this. I think that they are inherently weird.”
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“But sometimes it's to say, because I think increasingly we have, you know, here we're sitting here in an incredibly minimal, depressing box, right? We”
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“For young people to feel heard, to be weird, to be free a little bit from screens and free from algorithms a little bit, and to write and to have a human next to them that's listening to them and really probing their ideas and validating them. And a lot of it has to do with creating these very unnecessarily strange places. They're all weird, like the one that we're looking at that looks like the interior of a whale.”
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“Yeah, you know, we started 826 in the mission district here and it had a zoning obligation that we had to meet, so we had to sell something in the front of the store. So we chose pirate supplies, of course. And then other centers around the world started popping up. They would come visit and then they would go back to Austria, go back to Melbourne, and then they would have their own goofy, weird storefronts or themes. So this book kind of collects photos and how-tos from all of these places because we do have to have these safe havens.”
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“It's terrible sauce. So let me finish on this question then. If you could finish up talking about this what is human creativity then? Because a lot of people feel that the only thing they can beat back AI and the jobs that it will replace and the way that it will formulate you as a person is creativity. You have this book here, which is beautiful. It's called Unnecessarily Beautiful Spaces for Young Minds on Fire. And it's this really about A26 Valencia and other centers like it and how these beautiful places where people create and what they create, all about human creativity. Yeah, you know.”
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“To deeply flawed deep often incredibly cheaply and lazily engineered algorithms. Like this writing software. It's terrible software”
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“And the humans that empower these decisions are saying, listen, I can't do anything. The number's the number. That's when we as a species end.”
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“Yeah, but also if the data, if like a credit score says we can buy a house or cannot buy a house or that we can go to a school or we can't or that we pass our eighth grade or we don't and it's unanswerable, we cannot debate it, we can't reason with it. It's final.”
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“And I think that that's even less dangerous than the thing I'm always most worried about is like, how does this affect our actual ability to move through the world and avail ourselves of opportunities And when we are limited.”
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“I call us cheap dates. You may borrow that. We're cheap dates. We get a map and we get a communication system and we get. Matt mostly is for me. I like maps, right? And then we trade all our information for that. You're a cheap day. You're just like, you give it all up, and they make it all the economic benefit from your data. You get the map.”
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“And we think that the Chinese social credit score is some crazy science fictional thing that would never be here. We're living generally in this zone already. Absolutely With credit scores that we live with”
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“Utterly terrifying because more and more, whether it's getting a bank loan, because that's AI and stuff, whether Increasingly, it's going to be dehumanizing. It's going to victimize the most vulnerable”
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“But not that much cheaper. In some cases, these companies are taking the school districts for a ride. But it seems cheaper. It seems easier. It seems quicker. And of course, expediency, it will always win. And it also seems more infallible. We cannot stand the complexity and the seeming fallibility of our fellow humans. So we always want to cede any important decisions to what seems to be a more objective and infallible system which are”
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“Gettysburg address is a little short. But because the language is simple It scores low. But then if I add a bunch of Silly, nonsensical, large words every time I get a little bit higher score until I can get six out of six.”
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“Orwell's politics in the English language scored like a three out of six. Obama, maybe four out of six. And then if I just put in, but I can game it, I'll take one of these essays and I just keep adding bigger, bigger words.”
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“I'm interested in the seeding of control and decision making to AI. And here's the scariest thing. I don't know if you've been seeing this, but I have kids and I work with young people at A26 Valencien. We talk about their writing. It's mostly about. Empowering young people through the written Increasingly, a lot of the exit exams, whatever grade fifth, eighth, high school in public schools, they write their essays on the computer. These are increasingly graded by AI. Even these companies admit that their algorithms can't read, computers cannot read They don't know content. They're scanning for keywords So, kids can game this and write just gibberish. And the more $10 words you use, the higher grade you get. So I plug in well known essays into these algorithms to see how they score.”
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“The grocer and grandma and everybody have to see the same photos of me in the bathtub or whatever. So they now it's just, you know, I'm going to, it's the same way almost like we grew up talking on the phone. It's like I'm going to send messages to my friend. And then they disappear. So maybe that Know trial by fire, they went through all of this sort of anti privacy time. Maybe they have a different approach to it.”
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“And you know, but I'm encouraged, they have a little bit of a different approach to privacy. They grew up with their parents posting embarrassing photos of them that they're male men or whatever can read. And they thought this is horrifying. Like, why does...”
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“Because once you have copying Snapchat. I was with Evan Spiegel last night of all people, and I said, You are the chief product officer of Facebook. In public, and he laughed because it's true. They'll just steal his ideas, his next idea, or whatever.”
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“It isn't, I'm going to post everything about my life forever for all to see and get all my news through that same feat. It's drastically different. I don't know what Facebook's future business model looks like. Because once you have...”
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“Reminded him. It's 98% Snapchat from what I can tell WhatsApp. And they're sending personal messages to each other or they're doing the streaks where they do the little quick photo”
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“Two really interesting things happen. One, I say, How many of you have a really balanced relationship with your phone and social media? Nobody says yes. Everybody's conflicted. Everybody is filled with self-loathing and conflict. And they're trying to use it less and all that. But then I say, well, how many of you use Facebook? And the last time I asked this about 200 high schoolers, three of the 200 used Facebook, it's changing really quickly. And they're not posting everything to a huge”
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“I don't know if anything has ever, I mean, maybe smoking is the equivalent where everybody has this incredible love-hate relationship with it. No one I interview high schoolers all the time”
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“Yeah. But I think, yeah, I mean, I was concerned with the consolidation of power, the tolerance for Self surveillance, but I also think generally speaking, we are the problem. I looked this up, and there actually is no law that says you have to have a Facebook account. I looked it, looked for it. There's no law that says you have to have a smartphone. There's no law about any of this. You actually can opt out for the most part”
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“You don't want to be tracked. Well, not just that. There's nothing about the smartphone that holds an inherent appeal to me. And I guess I came of age during the flip phone. I'm an old dog, and those are new tricks. But also. Whenever I have borrowed one, it is so insanely addictive and distracting that. And after an hour, I feel stupider. And so I think it's to protect myself from an addictive thing. Right, I just love it. It's the same reason why I don't.”
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“It's a great word, isn't it? It's a great word. Most people don't care that much about being observed 24-7 and being the fact that everybody has one of these devices in their homes that's recording their voices and is being listened to other humans.”
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“Yeah, a lot of what I thought was almost impossible came about within months of the book coming out. But I had a feeling, I think in general, things are only trending one way.”
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“Have an ever-eroding sense of importance of privacy, an ever-eroding interest in truth as a basic good that needs to be Nurtured, protected, given space to flourish. And I think that we have to, as a culture, I think the new Privacy Act is a good move. I think all regulation needs to be”
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“Are part of that. Every other person I know works at one of these companies. I just think that collectively you have a lot of idealistic, very smart, nice people Who collectively, passively look the other way about the consequences of these machines that they've built and the technology? And I think that In the aggregate, it's dehumanizing. In the aggregate, it is generally a net loss for humanity. I think that, but the main thing I was trying to get across was that. Every one of the worst ideas is coming from a 23 year old new engineer. It's not all like Mark Zuckerberg thinking of the next worst idea. I think that generally people...”
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“Well, you know, what I was trying to get across with that was that I never saw, and I still don't see. A top down malevolence expressed by any of these companies. I really don't think that there's some master of a different view.”
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“Talk about that a little bit. You wrote a famous book, The Circle, which sort of casts these people. How do you look on it now, years later? It was kind of prescient in a lot of ways, although you, I think the one thing I would go with is what you saw as malevolent to me was just stupidity or not lack of consequence or lack of ability to understand consequence.”
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“Because the world would be improved. So, I don't think this is also a misunderstanding of the First Amendment. You are not allowed. To incite violence. No. You are not allowed, it's not a constitutionally protected speech to spread hate and to Subtly, you know, endorse policies and beliefs that will incite violence. And so it's a definitely the broadest possible interpretation of free speech. And it's also”
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“Not going to do that. Just for, I think, the sanity of the nation and the debasement of our democracy, I think it's worth the risk. Of, and I do think he has violated every one of their terms that I've read he has violated. They've made an exception for him. I know. They make the exception, and I definitely, it's a debate to be had, you know, but I think that everyone associated with Twitter, if they were to ban them, they would win the Nobel Prize. I think, like, instantly. Never.”
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“Roosevelt with radio. Trump is the master of this medium. In a way, if he was any more sober or if he in any way said anything expected or presidential to that medium, people would stop paying attention. But because it's outrageous every time or nearly every time, that's why he has everybody riveted. And at every one of these rallies, everything he says is almost unscripted. And it is riveting. You cannot stop listening. For the first maybe 30, 40 minutes, it's like it's a show. It's an Andrew Dyce Clay comedy show from 1983. Then, once he starts reading from the notes who he's supposed to thank or whatever, people start leaving, they'll leave in the middle of the rally every time And they stop paying attention, they sit down, they're like looking at their watches because now he's a politician.”
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“Trump is the embodiment. Of all of poor spelling to sending messages without thinking to bullying to spreading lies, hatred, conspiracy theories, all of the worst aspects of social media and the internet he's embodying. And so in a way, they were match made in heaven. Like there's never been a more, just like Kennedy. Making possible his presidency through television, maybe”
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“Blanket assumption. And so, but you know, they used to say when Obama was elected, always the first internet president, not at all. Not even.”
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“Know he says awful things they don't take it seriously, and then they always say, Well, all politicians lie. Yes. That's just the mind.”
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“Well, I was I don't think there's any strategy at all. I think he's been using it since the beginning. As a direct line to his id. And, you know, what I was saying, the voters that I talk to almost never mention Twitter. And when I ask them about it, they're not keeping up with what he said.”
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“Which is obviously Donald Trump. So talk a little bit about what the impact is, one of the things that is part of Trump is the use of social media, the intense use of social media. Now, you said no one looks at Twitter, but he does, and he uses it quite effectively. Well, either he's trying to trigger liberals and the press or whatever he's doing with it, but it's certainly been effective.”
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“Well, it's an interesting thing because when you talk there, I'm thinking Salem Witch Trials, women not getting to vote, civil rights zero, Joe McCarthy. Those are the things I tend to focus on. It's like, well, that is not the exception necessarily.”
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“When somebody's ready to, when the voters are ready to throw it away. It made me really feel hurt, betrayed, outraged, and also disconfused.”
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