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Dave Ferguson

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“Do see an opportunity where you can start batching different services and effectively as an end consumer, you're paying the cost of meeting the vehicle once, but you're getting all of the items that you might want delivered at the same time. And that's what I think genuinely is the future of package delivery. It's that the packages are going to effectively come along for the ride with another on-demand delivery that you are going to get anyway. And I think that's the best possible end consumer experience.”
2023-01-19 · How I Built This with Guy Raz · HIBT Lab! Nuro: Dave Ferguson · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Yeah, I think that that's the first step. I think as we're able to There's a challenge associated with trying to do that with a self-driving vehicle because most of the time we get packages delivered. We're not home and we don't want to be home, frankly. We want the package to come and get left on our doorstep. If you have a self-driving vehicle, it's harder for it to leave it on your doorstep. You know, we considered slingshots and drones and other things that could take it from the vehicle to your front door. But as of yet, that's fairly challenging. And so what we see as the long-term future is if we can replace these trips that you're taking and the enormous number of those, and you end up having a service that's coming to your house pretty regularly, either it's bringing you dinner or it's bringing you toiletries or emergency goods or groceries or whatnot. When that vehicle shows up with your dinner, for instance, it can also bring whatever packages have come for you, right? And so we...”
2023-01-19 · How I Built This with Guy Raz · HIBT Lab! Nuro: Dave Ferguson · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“And so, you know, it's on us to really learn from that and sit with it. And then to remember why we're doing this and to get on with it and to try to honor all of those people that have contributed to Neuro, those that are still with us and those that aren't, to really try to succeed in this mission. Because at the end of the day, we genuinely believe it matters. That's why we're here. And really want to go and realize it and nail this for everyone that has ever contributed.”
2023-01-19 · How I Built This with Guy Raz · HIBT Lab! Nuro: Dave Ferguson · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“For us, both in terms of the technology and also scaling and the demand with our partners, and are in a really, really strong position. You know, we generally feel really, really good about where the company is. The layoff was something that was the most painful decision that we had to make. And honestly, from a personal perspective, it's really the worst because with other hard situations that we've gone through as a company, generally Jay-Z and I can be in the thick of it and we can try to shoulder as much as possible. You know, we're in the trenches with the team and we sort of make sure that we're taking as much fire as anyone else. But with layoffs, you don't get to do that. The reality is that it's folks that are laid off that are the ones that are suffering the consequences of our mistake.”
2023-01-19 · How I Built This with Guy Raz · HIBT Lab! Nuro: Dave Ferguson · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“And that was all on us for growing too aggressively and being too optimistic about the market and funding conditions. And I think what we're seeing is that we are in a sustained, fairly challenging period for the market and correspondingly for funding for very hard tech companies. We are a company that is doing some pretty crazy things. We're very excited about it. And I think we're making a lot of progress. But there's hard technology at the heart of this, and that requires significant investment before it breaks through to profitability and then is a massive business. And so we are trying to be very, very thoughtful about how we manage our burn as a company, where we spend every dollar, and how we ensure that with the balance sheet that we still have, we still have roughly a billion dollars in the balance sheet, that we can get to a place where we have largely de-risked all of the key risks.”
2023-01-19 · How I Built This with Guy Raz · HIBT Lab! Nuro: Dave Ferguson · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Well, we did go through layoffs and that's really a pretty awful situation. Jay-Z and I have often said that building the neural team is what we're most proud of. And here we were having to cut roughly 20% of it.”
2023-01-19 · How I Built This with Guy Raz · HIBT Lab! Nuro: Dave Ferguson · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Seamless experience for someone getting a package from the vehicle can also be used by, for instance, law enforcement for communicating with our mothership and our monitors and getting any information that they want. And so we intend to make use of that. And we have, you know, we've published some of the law enforcement interaction plans for how to interact with our vehicle. But we do think that there's a pretty nice opportunity there to do a really good job of that because we have to do a good job of that anyway just for our core product.”
2023-01-19 · How I Built This with Guy Raz · HIBT Lab! Nuro: Dave Ferguson · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“There are a couple factors or challenges at play. So, one is first ensuring that the system can detect that something has happened and bring itself to a safe state. And so effectively detecting that a collision has happened or some dangerous situation and then making sure that it pulls over and it stops. The second is what do you do after that, right? Like how do you interact with law enforcement? How do you make sure that anything that has happened, you're able to potentially recreate and understand what actually went down and whose fault was it? And are there things that we can improve on the software side? I think one of the benefits that we have is that our vehicles are designed to have a very easy user interface and interaction with people outside the vehicle. So we have a very large touchscreen. We have bidirectional video cameras. And so everything that we use to make a really delightful scene.”
2023-01-19 · How I Built This with Guy Raz · HIBT Lab! Nuro: Dave Ferguson · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“That'll be it, guy. I hope that's the one that you'll be able to get your produce for preparing your meals. I know you're a big cook. We hope that that's the one that we'll be able to scale across the whole country. Now, that is very much a optimized vehicle for goods transportation. Now, that is absolutely our focus. It's what our bread and butter is. It's what our sort of raison d'etre is for a company for the first application. Longer term, there may also be opportunities to expand into perhaps vehicles that also transport passengers. But for us, we want to stay very, very focused. I think focus is one of the superpowers of a startup. It's one of the real advantages that we have and the opportunity and the impact of what we're doing in a good purely goods delivery is just so huge. I think we want to stay very, very targeted and really nail that application.”
2023-01-19 · How I Built This with Guy Raz · HIBT Lab! Nuro: Dave Ferguson · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“That's correct. It will be at that facility. You're exactly right. And then we will take that chassis to Vegas, to one of our neurosites there, and we will do all of the final assembly of the sensing and the compute, basically the brains and the eyes and the ears of the vehicle. And so all of those sensor assemblies individually we do ourselves. And then the assembly of all of those components onto the vehicle will do ourselves as well. So there is a fair bit of in-house manufacturing that we'll be doing in addition to the chassis final assembly all in the US.”
2023-01-19 · How I Built This with Guy Raz · HIBT Lab! Nuro: Dave Ferguson · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Yeah, so we've, as I mentioned, we're on our third generation and on all three generations we have. As an example, we designed the entire electrical system. We designed a lot of the safety systems and all of the sensing systems. And in fact, as we assemble those vehicles, the final assembly will be done in the US, first at a Lancaster facility in California where we'll put the chassis together effectively. Effectively, the vehicle part.”
2023-01-19 · How I Built This with Guy Raz · HIBT Lab! Nuro: Dave Ferguson · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“We have regular operation, fully driverless custom vehicles in both the Bay Area and in Houston, and we're constantly expanding the regions over which we're operating. And so we're making a lot of progress on both of these fronts, but really it's those two coming together over the next year or so for us to be able to provide a commercial service over a Pretty significant region and then going on to really turn on the spaghett of the manufacturing and then scale it across the country.”
2023-01-19 · How I Built This with Guy Raz · HIBT Lab! Nuro: Dave Ferguson · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Wow, so we're working with BYD, who is they usually alternate between Tesla as the number one or number two electric vehicle manufacturer in the world. I think right now they're number one. And so we do have the capacity or will have the capacity to make hundreds of thousands of those a year. Yeah. So that's one side. And there's also the autonomy supply side. And so that's effectively getting our autonomy system to be able to operate in a large enough set of areas. And if you look at how Neuro is expanding, it's relatively similar to other leaders in the space. We're sort of looking at areas where the weather is quite forgiving for self-driving vehicles. It's not that we can't solve the challenges of snow and really difficult weather conditions. It's just that we would like to scale a service and get to commercial viability before we have to solve that. And we're feeling really good about it.”
2023-01-19 · How I Built This with Guy Raz · HIBT Lab! Nuro: Dave Ferguson · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“There's a few things that have to sort of go in lockstep. I would say it's still largely about the supply side. And so the supply side is effectively both having vehicles at scale mass manufactured, tens or hundreds of thousands of them rolling off the line so that we can truly scale across the US and beyond.”
2023-01-19 · How I Built This with Guy Raz · HIBT Lab! Nuro: Dave Ferguson · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Now, when you remove passengers, you still have to nail safety, but like our groceries don't care if we're a little bit more of a defensive driver than you or I might want our driver to be, we're okay with taking our foot off the gas if we think we've seen something until we get enough additional sensor measurements to get confidence that, okay, there's actually nothing there. Now we can put our foot on the gas again. And that means that we can, we believe, do a really, really fantastic job from a safety perspective and still be able to get a system that we're able to deploy out into the real world much faster because we don't have to be worried as much about the comfort side.”
2023-01-19 · How I Built This with Guy Raz · HIBT Lab! Nuro: Dave Ferguson · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Is so, so difficult a challenge is that you have very little room for error. So on the safety side, you have to make sure that your vehicle is not going to hit anything. But at the same time, you have the comfort of the passenger that is inside the vehicle for sort of passenger-based self-driving vehicles. And so you have to both be safe, which would generally bias your system towards trying to be conservative, like slow down if you think you've seen something. But when you're in that vehicle, if it suddenly slows down or acts a bit too conservative, you look out the window and you see nothing there and you say, hey, I'm losing some trust in this.”
2023-01-19 · How I Built This with Guy Raz · HIBT Lab! Nuro: Dave Ferguson · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Yeah, so our vehicles are fully driverless. I mean, there's no question there because there's no space to have anyone inside them. So they're doing everything entirely autonomously, entirely on their own. They use a bevy of sensors, you know, somewhat similar to Cruz and Waymo, where we have cameras, we have LiDARs, we have radars, we have thermal cameras as well to help detect people and other living beings at night in particular. And they take all of this sensor data, they make sense of the world from that data, and then they figure out what's the right move for them to make. Now, one of the differentiators for us, because we're only moving goods around, is that we get to lean a little bit more heavily onto the safety side of fully autonomous operation as opposed to the comfort side. And so one of the reasons why self-driving is...”
2023-01-19 · How I Built This with Guy Raz · HIBT Lab! Nuro: Dave Ferguson · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“To learn what it takes to actually operate a small but real delivery service and to get feedback from both our partner Kroger on the loading experience and what that looks like, as well as from end consumers on what the interaction and the user interface on the delivery side looked like. So that was really exciting for us. That was back in the end of, I think that was the end of 2018, early 2019 that we did that. And I think ever since we've continued certainly strengthening our relationship with Kroger, with whom we have a big sort of long-term committed partnership now, and also learning from it how we wanted to improve the overall product. And that led to some of the changes that we made in our second generation and now third generation vehicles.”
2023-01-19 · How I Built This with Guy Raz · HIBT Lab! Nuro: Dave Ferguson · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Yes, so we worked with Kroger and we've been working with Kroger for the last five years pretty consistently doing delivery services with them. And first it was in Phoenix where we did this first pilot with the R1. And the idea was that Kroger customers could order delivery from their local Kroger. It was actually a fries, which is owned by Kroger, the Fry's grocery store out in Scottsdale. And if they lived within a certain region around that store, they would be eligible for it to be delivered by our R1 vehicle.”
2023-01-19 · How I Built This with Guy Raz · HIBT Lab! Nuro: Dave Ferguson · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“That's right. That's right. It's almost half of all trips that we take, which is an enormous opportunity, right? If you think about it, and that works out to roughly 150 hours a year, Guy, that on average every American is spending on those trips. And so if you think, you know, that's roughly half an hour a day that you could get back if you had a service that could do that for you, not to mention the safety and the fact that a lot of those trips are driven in a Ford F-150 to go get milk from your local grocery store. So there's a huge environmental impact and improvement on the emission side that we can do. There's also accessibility, you know, over 20 million people in the US live in food deserts, which we think we can make a significant dent in if we're able to provide this service across all neighborhoods and cities. So there's a lot. It's a pretty massive opportunity if and when we can get this right.”
2023-01-19 · How I Built This with Guy Raz · HIBT Lab! Nuro: Dave Ferguson · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Yeah, that was actually our second generation vehicle. So a couple years ago, we got that exemption for the vehicle that we are today actively operating out in California and Texas. But you're absolutely right. The federal motor vehicle safety standards right now, it's a 50-odd year old piece of legislation that defines what a vehicle is and what requirements need to be there. And it makes an enormous amount of sense if you assume that there's always a person inside of a vehicle driving it when you no longer have that reality, a lot of the stuff doesn't make so much sense, like steering wheels and side mirrors and even windshield wipers. And so we've been working with Department of Transportation since basically the start of the company. And so they've been very supportive. And that was part of what led to us getting that exemption so that we could operate our second generation vehicle.”
2023-01-19 · How I Built This with Guy Raz · HIBT Lab! Nuro: Dave Ferguson · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“They can, we have remote operators, we call them guardians that monitor the vehicles. We try to be very careful about ensuring that any vehicles that we're operating out in the wild, in the public, that we have really robust monitoring, and we can send commands to the vehicle. We can tell the vehicle, for instance, hey, pull over or be cautious. We can also answer questions for the vehicle. In limited scenarios, we can drive the vehicle very slowly when the autonomy system, for whatever reason, needs some help.”
2023-01-19 · How I Built This with Guy Raz · HIBT Lab! Nuro: Dave Ferguson · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“then in many ways you can almost entirely rethink what vehicle design is. And in particular, you can make a lot of safety optimizations for the vehicle itself that largely significantly improves safety of other road users. So one of the models that we have internally is that we want to keep what's outside even safer than what's inside. And so everything from external airbags to external crumple zones are a push towards this. And so that first vehicle we worked on the design for and in the first year of the company, we had our very first vehicle we called it the R1. You know, it was an initial prototype. And it was a great showcase for what would be possible.”
2023-01-19 · How I Built This with Guy Raz · HIBT Lab! Nuro: Dave Ferguson · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“And within sort of the first six months of the company, we had it driving around reasonably well, the neighborhood. And then in parallel, we also worked on designs for what a custom goods-only vehicle would look like. And that for us was a pretty big aha moment because it turns out that if you can relax the constraints for an on-road vehicle to not have to put people in it.”
2023-01-19 · How I Built This with Guy Raz · HIBT Lab! Nuro: Dave Ferguson · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Yeah, well, the next one will definitely be a cookie company guy. It's been a lot. It's been a lot the last six and a half years. So when we started, we were actually in an Airbnb. It was very HBO, silicon valley style. And we had sort of one room for each team. So we had our software team in one room, our hardware team in one, our product team in another. We had wires going through the house up to where the washing machine was so that we could get 240 volts to charge the electric vehicle. And so it was, I mean, it was very high energy, I think, very exciting time. But we had to show some things before we were able to get the traction that we did with investors. And so our goal was to try to get an initial prototype up and going. And to do that, we had a Nissan leaf that we converted into a self-driving vehicle.”
2023-01-19 · How I Built This with Guy Raz · HIBT Lab! Nuro: Dave Ferguson · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“You without you having to drive around and all of the associated impact in a negative sense from doing that. And it was a huge market, right? Those 100 billion trips represents a massive scale and an opportunity to give people time back, to reduce emissions, to strengthen local communities, to reduce food deserts. You know, every angle that we looked at it from, it seemed like a really compelling, really worthy opportunity for us to go after.”
2023-01-19 · How I Built This with Guy Raz · HIBT Lab! Nuro: Dave Ferguson · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“That are going to come and make our lives a lot better. And so we wanted to create a company that would help accelerate that transition. And so our mission for the company was to really use robotics to better everyday life. And so we decided it was the right time to start a company in that space. When we started Neuro, we didn't know exactly what application we were going to work on. And so the two of us spent a bunch of time around whiteboards thinking about all of the possible applications of robotics that might be somewhat feasible. And in the end, we settled on transforming local commerce through self-driving delivery. And the reason for that was that it was a massive, massive societal benefit. Almost half of all personal vehicle trips that we take today are for shopping and running errands. So that's almost a hundred billion trips every year just in the US that frankly we can replace if we had a service that could bring things to.”
2023-01-19 · How I Built This with Guy Raz · HIBT Lab! Nuro: Dave Ferguson · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“We saw an opportunity for robotics in general. You know, when we created neuro, it really wasn't and isn't a self-driving company nor a self-driving delivery company. It's really a general robotics company. And what we saw was if you look back the last several decades, maybe the last 30 years, our relationship with the digital world has completely transformed. I mean, even the internet is basically within the past 30 years, right? And then smartphones and digital connectivity and consuming content and all the rest. But if you look at how our relationship to and with the physical world has changed, it's largely very similar. And what we felt and what we still believe is that over the next 20 to 30 years, we're going to see a pretty significant transformation in how we interact in the physical world. And we think it's going to be because we're going to see the advent of really useful, really beneficial physical devices.”
2023-01-19 · How I Built This with Guy Raz · HIBT Lab! Nuro: Dave Ferguson · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Yeah, Jay-Z joined right at the start. So in 2009, the project started, and Jay-Z was one of the very first engineers. He had been at Google. He was working on Google Maps, and he got pulled into help seed that self-driving car team. And so when the two of us were there and we worked together for about five years at Google before starting Neuro, he managed the perception team and I managed our machine learning behavior prediction, computer vision, and scene understanding teams. So our teams were very closely intertwined. We had a lot of collaboration. And we worked very closely together. In fact, the two of us have been literally sitting next to each other for over 10 years now.”
2023-01-19 · How I Built This with Guy Raz · HIBT Lab! Nuro: Dave Ferguson · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“So when I got there the team was about twelve people and it was an incredible team. As I mentioned earlier, there were so few opportunities really to work on applied robotics out in the real world. And in particular to work at a company, as strong as Google. And so when I got there, I actually worked on the prediction system. So this was trying to predict what other agents, other road users were going to do. And so this was some of the first machine learning that we incorporated into the self-driving car project at Google. Now obviously sort of all of our systems are incredibly heavily machine learning based. But back then it was relatively new. And so it was just an opportunity to work on brand new tech as well as obviously this application that was super compelling to all of us. Small, incredibly strong team”
2023-01-19 · How I Built This with Guy Raz · HIBT Lab! Nuro: Dave Ferguson · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“A lot of the techniques that we apply in robotics Basically, taking in huge amounts of noisy data, trying to make sense of it, and then trying to come up with intelligent or hopefully reasonably intelligent actions. And all of that is very much on point for finance and trading. But yes, at some point, I just felt making one number bigger than another number was perhaps not what I had seen as my life's work starting out my career in academia and beyond. And so I was drawn back to robotics and ended up coming back out to work with some of my friends that I had known from CMU that were now at Google working on the self-driving car projects. So this is in 2011.”
2023-01-19 · How I Built This with Guy Raz · HIBT Lab! Nuro: Dave Ferguson · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“After the urban challenge, I was honestly a little bit burnt out. I just felt like I could do with a little bit of a break. And I had a really, really good friend that was out in New York. And he said, look, it's really interesting out here applying some of the techniques from machine learning that we've been working on as part of our PhD to the markets. I think you'd really like it. Why don't you come out and give it a go? And so I spent a few years out in New York and I worked for a hedge fund basically trading using machine learning, which was really exciting. I think it's a fun playground, the world of finance and automated trading. I think for me in the end, I just didn't find that it sort of elevated my spirit enough. Maybe that's a diplomatic way of putting it. I just, I missed working on something that I was truly, truly passionate about and that I felt really mattered for the world. Now, I mean, to be fair.”
2023-01-19 · How I Built This with Guy Raz · HIBT Lab! Nuro: Dave Ferguson · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“So for that competition, I actually joined Intel. So Intel had a research lab they had just set up at Kagi Mellon's campus. And the idea was that they wanted to have researchers that were keeping their fingers on the pulse of what was going on at the top academic institutions. And so they hired a bunch of really strong folks at that research lab. And when I was talking to them, I said, look, I'm really excited about doing this urban challenge with the Carnegie Mellon team. I think it's going to be really, really exciting. And they said, hey, that sounds great. Why don't you come work for us at our Intel Research Lab? And we'll effectively loan you to that team and you can go work on this competition for the next year and a half. And then you can bring back some of what you've learned and help work on some of the projects that we have going on in robotics.”
2023-01-19 · How I Built This with Guy Raz · HIBT Lab! Nuro: Dave Ferguson · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“In 2006, the third DARPA challenge had just begun, which was this robot race in a mock urban environment. And so it was self-driving vehicles. You had to obey traffic rules and regulations and you had to interact with other self-driving and human-driven vehicles on roads. And it was a race to see who could do all of that, abide by all the rules and finish first. And so that was incredibly compelling for me. It was related to what I'd done for my PhD and I sort of leapt at the opportunity to be a part of CMU's team for that competition.”
2023-01-19 · How I Built This with Guy Raz · HIBT Lab! Nuro: Dave Ferguson · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Back then, that wasn't really an option, quite honestly. I mean, when I was doing my PhD, I thought that I would be a professor. But, you know, I got that wrong many times. I originally thought I was going to be a lawyer when I first went to university and that didn't work out. And so I thought that I was going to be a professor. But as I was at CMU and I got more and more exposure into working on pretty big projects, like sending robots into mines and working on big outdoor robots. And then towards the end, these large high-speed vehicles, I fell more and more in love with the idea of really applying robotics to problems out in the real world. Now, unfortunately, at the time, there weren't a whole lot of jobs for roboticists that were finishing with a PhD, right? And so the idea of going to work at a place like Google or even a neuro today wasn't really a possibility. And so when I finished, I think what we did have, which was incredible was an opportunity to work on these DARPA challenges. And as I was finishing up my PhD, as you mentioned,”
2023-01-19 · How I Built This with Guy Raz · HIBT Lab! Nuro: Dave Ferguson · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“But that autonomy was incredibly compelling for me. And that started a pretty long love affair between me and fully autonomous robots. And so as I was finishing my undergrad, I was thinking about what to do next. And that same professor said, look, you should go to the robotics institute at Carnegie Mellon. You should go work with this particular professor. And you should go apply what you've learned to Bigger and even cool a robots there, which is what I did.”
2023-01-19 · How I Built This with Guy Raz · HIBT Lab! Nuro: Dave Ferguson · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Yeah, it was like a Roomba, but about a yard tall. Because back then, the sensors and the computer and everything was very large to be able to navigate. And really, I fell in love with the idea of being able to provide a level of intelligence to another agent, and in particular a physical agent, such that it could then go and make its own decisions in the world, right? Like we would push a button and it would trottle along and it would basically decide whether it was going to go into one room or another, whether it was going to run straight into a wall or not, which unfortunately it did fairly often.”
2023-01-19 · How I Built This with Guy Raz · HIBT Lab! Nuro: Dave Ferguson · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“This robot was this beautiful little red rubbish bin or trash can. It looked like a little mini Dalek from Doctor Who, but bright red. And our task was to try to get it to map indoor environments. And so this was the first time that I'd ever interacted with a robot. I was totally hooked.”
2023-01-19 · How I Built This with Guy Raz · HIBT Lab! Nuro: Dave Ferguson · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT