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  1. “Well, David, it's been a pleasure to have you. We'll report back to Rory that you've done very, very well. Thank you very, very much for standing for Rory. And we're also going to be on, we're going to be doing question time as well.”

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  2. “And where's that in his thinking? And look, I don't underestimate how unbelievably difficult this is, politically for him, for Biden, for Lincoln, for the government here, for Keir Starmer, for all world leaders. This is becoming really, really difficult. The politics are very, very difficult. But the reality is that Netanyahu is the one with the most power in the situation. He is not really responding to a lot of the pressure that he's been put under. And that, as you say, long term is, I think, going to create greater problems for whoever follows them.”

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  3. “So that's the State Department report on the legality of the use of arms that have been given by the Americans. Although if you read between the lines, there was a warning for Israel in there as well. But what you get the feeling with, I've defended Biden's strategy the whole way through as a sense of him being he is very, very supportive of the State of Israel. He has all his life been supportive of the State of Israel. And he's been expressing that support whilst at the same time he and Blinken trying to work behind the scenes to get the Israelis to at least to be cognizant of international opinion and where it rests and to let that sort of affect the strategy in some way. And you do get the thing with Netanyahu that frankly the views of Biden and Blinken are less important to him than the views of Ben-Gavir and Smotrich. Now at some point there is going to have to be an election.”

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  4. “Don't really know what the strategy is. So you have this absolute focus at the moment on Rafah, and meanwhile they're also saying that Hamas are reappearing in the north. So the lack of clarity of a strategy other than the objective, I get the objective, he's saying they're going to wipe out Hamas and they're never going to return. But in this very studio a few weeks ago, we were talking to John Saw's XMI-6 and Eliza Manning and Buller XMI-5, and John made the point that 60% of Hamas fighters were orphans. And he went on to say an awful lot of future Hamas fighters are being bred right now. And I mean, that has to be part of the argument as to what the consequences of the alienation that people in Gaza are feeling right now. And that body of support that's developing for them around the world. And I just wondered, isn't Netanyahu so fixed upon, I don't know, his own survival, the politics of the situation, that none of that is really being addressed.”

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  5. “Whatever side you sort of try and explain both sides, it's very, very difficult because it's become so polarized. But it was interesting yesterday. So yesterday was Memorial Day in Israel. And that's when the war dead of the past are recognized, but also obviously October 7th was foremost in people's minds. And it was interesting, you know, Netanyahu got heckled, the defense minister got heckled, the people out with posters, and there was this big event at which, and also Ben Gavir and Smotrich, one of their events was kind of disrupted by protesters saying they weren't doing enough to bring this to an end and to bring the hostages back home. But there was an event, the event with Netanyahu, he's, I just can't, I found it very, very hard to read him right now because there is clearly a briefing operation going on from the military, from the generals. They essentially are saying, this is all very well.”

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  6. “Otherwise, you'd have said that. Now, let's briefly before we close, let's just. It's hard to know where to start with Israel Gaza because it just, you know, I should warn you, David, whatever you say, you get criticized on this subject.”

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  7. “U.S. election. Well, I think if you're British, you're pretty worried There's a very interesting piece that we should put in the newsletter from the Wilson Centre, which is an analysis of just how quickly the Russia's war budget has grown. And of course, what's interesting in a dictatorship, you don't have to reveal all the spending that's already been in the system. So they've actually been growing and growing and growing and growing, but now essentially 10% of their GDP is going on this war. We're talking 30% plus and it includes things. They've got this fascinating thing where it includes, for example, do you include the tripling of patriotic education costs? This is like right across the government machine now. This is an economy and a budget that is utterly focused on this war. Now, we can have our little debates between Kiers Starmer and Rishi Sunak about who's going to be first to 2.5%, but this is a level of commitment and spending that is off the scale. And I don't think the West has yet fully caught up with that.”

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  8. “So, what do you make of that, and what do you make of what's been going on in terms of we've got Blinken there today in Ukraine, essentially signaling American support? We talked about John Healy and David Lamy earlier. They've just been to Kyiv as well, signaling that if there is a change of government, Britain will still be with Ukraine. But it feels like things feel militarily like they are moving Putin's way.”

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  9. “So there's Georgia fascinating and ongoing. Lithuania elections still to be concluded, but looks like it's going to be won by somebody who's very anti-Russian. And meanwhile, in Russia itself, we've had a pretty significant change of personnel. The defense minister, Shoigu, who's been there, I think, for 12 years, and he's been replaced by, you know, I think you've got to be right inside the criminological weeds to kind of read this one properly. But it's a guy called Andrei Belousov, who is not from a military background. He's more an academic and economic background. And he's got no background in the military or in security services. So I don't know what that says to you. What it says to be is that, you know, this is Putin telling everybody within the infrastructure that none of them are fully safe all of the time. Although I see Lavrov is still there, the foreign minister, I suspect he'll be there until he dies.”

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  10. “Talking of elections, we've just had one in Lithuania, another, as it were, potential hotspot in this kind of spreading Russian story. And so that's been one pretty convincingly. It's got to go to a second round, but the current president, Nauseda, has won. He was shorter than 50% that you need. He was pretty close, though. He got 44% of the votes. And the second person was only on 20%. So they've got to go into Roloff. He's going to win that. But what was interesting about the debate is just how many all of the candidates essentially were very, very strong in defense, very strong in basically saying this is election about Russia. In his speech, he said, Zelensky has already said it all. They don't need our declarations of goodwill. They're no use in a fight. They need air defenses until they have air defenses. Ukraine will stay vulnerable. And the Poles in Lithuania, Lithuanians essentially believe that they are now vulnerable to an attack from Russia.”

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  11. “On in 2014 Ukrainian government fell. Just also be reminding the protesters because there's a real risk to what they're doing because if they get this thing through and if this harassment of the opponents does step up and continue, then they will be a crackdown on protests. So what they're doing is incredibly brave.”

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  12. “I saw a report yesterday of an academic who was showing the bruises and the cuts and he'd been attacked outside his house by three guys who basically said stop criticizing the law.”

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  13. “She effectively founded Bankrolled it a bit like Tys's bankrolling reform, hopefully less successfully He bankrolled Georgian Dream”

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  14. “Me and a scamble. So, where should we start? We're both being fascinated by this stuff in Georgia. And Georgia, a small country, fewer than four million people, so smaller than Scotland. And yet the other day was one of the estimates said that the demonstrations outside the parliament that were over a quarter of a million people. So that's what as a percentage, that's like, what, 15 million Brits turning out. Is massive. Basically, the thing is over this bill that the Georgian government is trying to bring forward essentially to say that if you are funded as an NGO or a media organization with more than 20% of somebody else's money, you're”

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  15. “I should say, let's take a break. No, Rory only says very good when I'm saying something that he fundamentally disagrees with or when I'm giving him a hard time. And he goes, very good.”

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  16. “Party are doing. I would argue that there should be more of a focus on traditional working class than maybe they have been putting over. I still think Key wants to project himself, rightly from the political perspective, as that kind of left of centre, but that is left and centre. And that's where I think he is, and that's where he's trying to project himself.”

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  17. “You see, I'm not sure about this because if that were the case, today, for example, Gordon Brown yet again is beating the drum for the need to do more on child poverty. He's got a huge piece in the Guardian. I feel that the Labour Party, the current Labour Party, doesn't go on enough about child poverty. I was yesterday in a PRU, a pupil referral unit where the toughest kids who'd been constantly, consistently excluded from mainstream schools. And, you know, it was really moving to see the kind of work that the teachers were doing with these kids and to listen to the stories of some of the kids and the real challenges that they faced. And I sort of feel that they're not part that sort of child is not part of the current political debate. So yes, they might say that they want to project themselves more towards leave voting working class. But I think that becomes a bit of a caricature. I'm surprised Wes said that because I don't feel that's what the lady...”

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  18. “Done something right, but I just wish we could move on from the whole Blair thing. I wish that something new could be properly defined and articulated. And I don't think they're quite there yet.”

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  19. “Party of aspiration, and where I worry about Labour's project is that I think they've done a brilliant job as opposition fighters getting themselves to this position where they've gone from Labour can't win to Labour can't lose. That's not unimpressive. What I worry about at the moment is whether the genuine makings of the government project are there. Now, Morgan is not the guy for the building of the government project. He is the guy for winning. I think that's absolutely right. So, for example, when we were running in 97, I refused to think about government. I was absolutely fixated on the day-to-day battle to get into power. And Jonathan Powell was off working with the Civil Service and preparing for government. I'm assuming Sue Gray is doing a lot of that. Morgan's utterly fixated on winning. And you have to hand it to them. They're not setting people's hearts on fire necessarily, but they are in this position where, as you say, people like you, most people in politics now think labourer are kind of going to win.”

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  20. “Well, coming through that and still does. And when we interviewed Sadiq Khan on leading, he said, if you'd have been in the room with Cummings and Johnson together, you'd have thought Cummings was the Prime Minister. Well, that is never a good look. But that being said, I think I've talked to Morgan McSweeney about Tony's legacy and reputation and so forth. And I think he's got enormous respect for him. One for having won three elections. Morgan is obsessed about winning, and I think that is a very good thing to be if you were in opposition particularly. And I think he's not necessarily saying that Blairism, New Labour, was wrong for then, but I think he is saying that some of the solutions that people like me, people like Tony, that we put forward are sometimes rooted in what we did then as opposed to a very different politics now. So I think both can be right because the truth is to get the sort of majority that I think Labour need, you are going to have to revive that sense of Labour being the party for the working classes and Labour being people who are going to look after the poor, etc. But at the same time, be”

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  21. “We're talking about as the headline was the McSweeney Project. I think you've got to be very, very careful. I mean, I fell victim for this. So did others, where as part of trying to undermine the leader, people forget, because Tony Blair won three elections and is seen as such a big figure now. The Tories for a lot of the time were trying to say, well, there's nothing to Tony Blair. It's all these kind of shady figures behind him. And I think Morgan's got to be careful that he doesn't get sucked into playing that role. This was the problem for Johnson with Cummings. People felt that Cummings was the maestro, not Johnson.”

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  22. “Well, I thought it was an interesting piece. If I were Morgan, who I think is a very smart guy and has done an amazing job for George Starmer, you rightly, I think he says he's his right-hand man because he was the guy who essentially was alongside Keer Starmer when Keir was going for the leadership. He's now a key strategist, probably the key strategist within the central team. And he's got a very interesting backstory. He's not a Brit. He's Irish. He's from Cork. So if you go into Lebai headquarters, you've got him sitting in there with Pat McFadden, who is British, but he's pretty Irish, a massive Celtic fan, and sort of came over here and really cut his teeth in politics in barking where he was kind of taking on the hard right. And then I think did take on Corbinism with as much vigor as he did in that. So he said, you know, he's tough, he's ascetic, he's hardworking, and he's utterly fixated on winning. I'd be a little bit worried if I were him that...”

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  23. “Well, that is the other possibility, I guess, because they're going to have to, sadly, if they're going to be serious about reforming the House of Lords, they're going to have to have new peers to help them do it. So Baron Gork. Is also a possibility”

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  24. “Is politics and it's pretty brutal politics. And I suspect, I think the one thing about Keir Starmer that people maybe underestimate is I think he's pretty ruthless. And I think the ruthlessness may or may not extend in future to Nathalie Elfik, possibly not being as big a deal in the future of our housing policy as you might think right now.”

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  25. “People that you thought were kind of yours forever, I think it must be pretty devastating. So, I don't know, there'd be a few I wouldn't want, but I think by and large, I mean, Neil Kinnett said, you know, even the broadest of church has walls, yet true, but, you know, you need to get new people.”

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  26. “I think before she defeated, if you did ask me for a list of people, I would have said, No, we don't want them. I think she might have been on it. But I think you're absolutely right. Basically, the prize was to have, while the Tories were trying to pretend or say that Labour couldn't be trusted on the issue of immigration, to have the MP for Dover saying, I back Labour's plan over the SUNAC's plan I think is too big a prize to dismiss. I would feel uncomfortable about some of those Bravamen if Bravaman was suddenly to say if trust was suddenly to say I'm back in Labour, I'd be looking for the sick bucket so fast and I would then fill it and throw anybody who dared to get them over. But look when I when we were in opposition and when we were in government I was kind of in charge of trying to get defectors and I thoroughly enjoyed it and it's it always is because you know you know as well as anybody morale is very very important particularly going to an election campaign and I think the effect of morale of knowing that you're losing”

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  27. “Saying we need people who didn't vote for us before to vote for us. So I think there'll be people who maybe feel a bit uncomfortable about Labour who could possibly feel a bit more comfortable because of this defection. But I don't think it's a huge thing. I think it will be forgotten much more quickly than some of the other defections.”

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  28. “Broadly, I am. I don't like her politics. I actually, nobody would be surprised to know I've never been that close to Jeremy Corbyn and Diane Abbott, but I think it sits a bit odd that they're not really considered to be Labour and suddenly Natalie Elphick is. But I think the broader message that the Labour Party is saying, we did not get the support of a lot of people who may be considered to be right-wing people like Natalie Elphick or voters who have voted for people like Natalie Elphick. We have to get those people back. So I think what Keir Stalmer's, I can't imagine that Keir Starmer felt terribly comfortable, but I think there is a bigger political gain there, which is that once people, and I'm afraid this will happen quite quickly, once they forget Natalie Elfick, what they will remember is the sense of Tory decay. And I think they'll also remember that Keir Starmer's out there basically”

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  29. “Can you see any others of your former colleagues? Because Labour keeps saying there are others in the pipeline, which is presumably may be true but may also just be a destabilizing technology.”

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  30. “She needn't have done more than that. She shouldn't have gone to the Standards Commissioner and said, Excuse me, I've just been approached by an MP who's asked me to noble a judge.”

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  31. “And the fact that now, according to Robert Buckland, though he's kept quiet about it ever since he claims it happened, she tried to interfere in the case. Yes. You as a former Lord Chancellor would have run a mile from.”

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  32. “Had two in the last couple of weeks. We've had two in the last three weeks and we've had three in this parliament. There was, I think, there was a massive gap between Churchill and Reg Prentiss in the 70s who went from Labour to Tory. So they're relatively rare. And I think it's very interesting how, I guess I'd be interested in your take on whether you think Labour were right to take Natalie Elphick and whether you think the Tories have been right to launch what appears to be a pretty concerted campaign to try to discredit her.”

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  33. “The century of the last century 19th through the 20th. So that was 1904. This month. Since then, how many from one main party to the other defections have there been?”

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  34. “That Rory and I talked about defections recently, and I talked about the defections that I was involved in, Alan Howarth and Sean Woodward and Robert Jackson and Quentin Davis. But here's a quiz question for you. From one main party to the other, how many defections have there been since the turn of the last century?”

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  35. “With K stone, John Healey and David Lammy in the same way. I mean, I've been at quite a few military and defence establishment things recently. And there was one at which actually both government and opposition were present. And one of the guys who was there, who was ex-military but now working in the defence industry, basically said that you look around the room, people are looking at John Healy and thinking he's all right as a defense secretary. So I don't think it works with Keir Starmer. I think what they've been trying to do over the course of the Parliament has been this constant linking of Keir Starmer to Jeremy Corbyn. But I don't think it's worked because Keir Starmer has kicked about the party and Kirstarmer does use the phrase the changed Labour Party almost as often as we used to say New Labour. And I think that has kind of got through. And of course, you know, maybe we should talk a little bit about Natalie Elphick, because this is the other big thing that's happened recently. And I think it's worth people knowing.”

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  36. “In a political speech, apart from all the bits that are political, which were basically saying Keir Starm's, you know, the country wouldn't be safe. But I just find with Sunak, and he's out again today talking about food security. It strikes me that he's kind of confusing being busy, either with doing the job or actually with having a coherent strategy. And I just want to, you kind of are closer to these people psychologically. What are they trying to do and what their thinking as we now head towards fairly soon, a general election?”

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  37. “It's basically about donate, donate, donate, donate. I then thought I'll go to policy exchange, the dark money right wing think tank, where that hosted this event. So they said full text available here. I click on here, it takes me to the Lumber website where the speech says nine times in the text, please note political content redacted here. So they've got the whole speech in a political”

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  38. “It's not his fault, but you know whenever Tony had a call, I was a little, let's just make this very, very brief. Instead of which he did the full thing, and it was quite a long speech, there's a very funny thing. If you go to the Downing Street website, I tried yesterday because I'm a great believer in reading speeches rather than relying the BBC or anybody else telling me what's being said. So I wanted to read the whole speech. So I thought I'll go to Conservative Central Office website.”

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  39. “ECHR, not more. You called his speech a reset, and I think by my calculation, it's seventh or eighth sort of attempt to kind of project something very, very different. This is where I think this sort of rather slavish support of a lot of the media works to his disadvantage because they sort of assume that their readers have no memory. They assume that we have no memory. And it struck me as being in complete contradiction to the image of himself he was projecting at his party conference, whereas he was Mr. Change. I'm going to be the change guy. And now essentially he's being Mr. Continuity. And I also thought, I don't know, I have this theory that the public hate politicians when they have colds. He had a really bad cough. He had a really bad cough. That's not really his fault.”

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  40. “Now you were Lord Chancellor and Secretary of State for Justice, so I'm no doubt you've followed the whole Rwanda debate with a lot of interest. First of all, could you have voted for the stuff that they've done in Rwanda? And what do you make of this judgment that's been made in Northern Ireland, where essentially they're saying that somebody who's crossed the channel on a small boat has made his way through the mainland, as it were, and has ended up in Northern Ireland and that a judge there saying that he cannot be sent to Rwanda, which strikes me as yet another little legal hurdle that the government probably hadn't thought about.”

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  41. “Do you think, by the way, the reform, I mean, Farage just loves being talked about, but do you think reform are no longer in a place where they can credibly do a deal with the Tories like they did the last time?”

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  42. “Of, you know, the big speech that this is where the electoral battle lines were being drawn, and I read it, and it was like a not very well written daily telegraph column about the state of the world interspersed with a few gratuitous attacks on Keir Staba. It didn't seem to me to add up to anything at all.”

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  43. “That is a very good question, and I guess partly it's my kind of historical experience of having been in places where it looks like the result's done deal, but then the result turns out to be different. But also I keep looking at the numbers and the swing. And even with those local elections, I look at them and think, okay, the Tories did very, very badly, but there was still one in four people who could be bothered to vote still voting for them, despite everything. And of the two-thirds that didn't vote, at least a good two-thirds of them are probably going to come out. And if they weren't already vote motivated to vote against the Tories, maybe they can be won back. Now, I'm deliberately playing the pessimist because I've always done that, but I just worry as well that politics is so volatile. I think the Conservatives still have an incredibly biased media in their favor. We've seen that in the last couple of days. I mean, really soon I delivered this speech, which was build as the...”

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  44. “You and I did an event in your former constituency recently, and I think I was the only person in the room who was still making the case that it's not all over. Why are you so convinced that the Labour”

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  45. “I say hands off. I think one older toad did it here, is it us? I really do. How would you define yourself politically now?”

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  46. “Message. So listen, where should we start with the state of your party? We've just done this rather remarkable interview with Kwasi Kwa Teng on leading, which I know you've listened to. For those who haven't, the first path is out now to everybody. And the second part will be out on Monday. And if you can't wait, I think there's quite a few people who, because this is when he gets on to trust and to the actual event of the mini-budget. So all you need to do if you want to go for it now is to become a member of the rest of his politics plus and you do that by going to the rest of his politics.com you sign up and you can hear Quasi Part 2 straight away I was very very struck that if I was sitting in central office listening to that and I hear a serving MP say the sorts of things that he said about he kind of knew that trust was a disaster and also saying if he was in his 20s he couldn't really find a reason to vote Tory and yet there he is having been the Chancellor”

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  47. “He was made to back to the hostage theme, he had to pre-record Video of acceptance without knowing whether he'd actually won or not. Well, we now know that he's won, but he doesn't. Anyway, David Gore, we're going to be talking about UK politics in the first half, another SUNAC reset, another blot on the Rwanda landscape as they struggle to get that through, and another defection from Tory to Labour. And then we go in the second part talk about the state of the world, Israel, Gaza, Ukraine, and we've both been following things in Georgia, which is very, very interesting. And though this is not an episode of leading, I hope we will be able to touch a little bit on your career, David, MP from 2005 to 2019, three ministerial jobs in the Treasury. So maybe something good to say about the state of the economy, work and pension secretary, Lord Chancellor on Justice Secretary for Theresa May, and then the career coming something shuddering of a halt when you made it clear you wouldn't serve Boris Johnson as Prime Minister. So for that alone, welcome.”

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  48. “Yes, indeed it is David Gork off the bench to replace Rory Stewart and who could be better given that Rory Stewart says you are his political hero and for those who didn't listen last week Rory is currently sitting cross-legged for 14 hours a day on an 11-day retreat”

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  49. “To get the best discount off your NordVPN plan and go to nordvpn.com slash rest is politics. The link is in the episode description.”

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