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David Hope

lines on the record: 45
first: 2005-12-11
most recent: 2005-12-11
sittings or episodes: 1
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“Well, I'd like part of Rachmaninos Vespers, and there's a beautiful part the Ave Maria, which actually takes us to the figure of the Virgin, and it speaks of the beauty and the wonder and the love of God for his creation and for the whole human family.”
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“But how was it? How was it, the lotus? Oh, it was fantastic. But of course, we were in a 30-mile area, so I couldn't rub it too much.”
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“Well, I know it's terrible. So much so that a Sunday newspaper did an article when they came to do the interview, nobody told me. I opened the door. There was this lotus in front of the Vicarage door, and then they insisted on taking it round to the church for a photograph, and I think people thought I gone mad. Dress me up in a cask and cotter by priestly gear to sit in front of this thing.”
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“Well, I think after all that we need something to lift our eyes and raise our spirits, and so I've chosen part of Mendelson's Elijah, and I've always found in the Psalm, you know, I will lift up my eyes to the hills from whence cometh my help. I mean, that's a great psalm of hope and encouragement, and it's reflected here in Mendelssohn's Elijah, lift thine eyes, oh lift thine eyes, performed by what they call in Yorkshire, the Odersfield.”
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“No, you go round and round in circles. I mean, the mountains are paper produced, and you hear the same old arguments time and again, you can tell who's going to talk and who's going to say what, you think, you know, what's the purpose of it all?”
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“hunger and the war in Iraq. So until we begin to address some of these bigger questions which I said again on numerous occasions look out.”
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“Absolutely. I mean, is this sort of inward-looking church, which seems constantly to be divided? And frankly, I mean, I find since I've gone back to the parish, that these are issues which people don't talk about endlessly. I mean, they're more concerned about, you know, their grandmother is dying or even their daughter is dying of a more concerned.”
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“Well, yes, like the issue of the ordination of women and a number of the same kinds of thoughts that I've just expressed about the ordination and the debate and the nature of the debate and the conduct of the debate apply equally to the discussion on homosexuality. It's not I mean I can't see either being resolved determinatively in the near future.”
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“Well, the document which the House of Bishops put out and which I certainly would concur is that if a person is not practising, then the orientation is to that extent irrelevant that is perfectly acceptable.”
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“As it was, but I felt the letter was intimidatory, and I felt that there were things in the letter which were uncalled for and unjust, and at the end of the day my Yorkshire upbringing means that I'm going to tough it out.”
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“Well, it took me quite a bit of thought and reflection, and I remember on the Friday before, called a press conference on the Monday I'd already made arrangements to go to Paris for a day, and I remember going into Notre Dame Cathedral and the stations of the cross were in progress, and I followed the stations, and I knew then that I had to do what I had to do, and so I called press conference and”
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“Yes, I've chosen part of Land of Mountain the flood now I've chosen that because it always reminds me of Scotland where for the last twenty five years I've gone up to the north west, and which has been a huge source both of solace and of inspiration to me just to get away from everything and everyone. I think at some stage I rather entertain the view that I might have become a trappist monk'cause I rather enjoy my own solitude, but that's never happened but this will remind me of those days.”
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“I mean, I have to say that some of the correspondence which I received over that period were so virulent on both sides that at times I began to think well, you know, what is this? What is this? What do we call a church? This is not the Christian church, as I understand it. And I think that we have a duty to each other and indeed to the world at large to show that we are able to conduct these debates however strongly we may feel, however passionately we may feel, in a courteous way, which respects the dignity of the other persons.”
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“Oh, well, I mean, I think you've got to be pretty well ninety percent certain that this would be right The ministry is the glue of the church we're in a position where if a woman bishop, for example, comes over from America it's not possible for her to exercise her episcopal order. I mean it begins to create a considerable degree of unsettlement to say the least in the church.”
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“Well, the fundamental objection that I have is basically one of authority and decision making until there is a substantial we claim the Church of England claims to be part of the one holy Catholic and Apostolic Church and until the substant consensus within the one holy Catholic and Apostolic Church about this question, I still feel that it's inappropriate for us to move forward.”
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“Well, yes, I mean, I'd always argue in theory if a person is able to be ordained to the ministerial priesthood, then in theory at any rate they ought to be able to be ordained to the Episcopate”
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“Oh yes, because the church had made the decision for better or for worse and it would not have been in the spirit of the church if I'd have forbidden that or not allowed it.”
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“Well, I don't think it went down all that well. The postman comes to the front door and said, I've been made Bishop of London. He said, can you do it from up here?”
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“But, you know, God's got a good sense for humour, I think. I felt I couldn't let a program like this go without on Oakleymore Bartat, and again you've got a very good, another very good brass band, the Black Dike Mills band, which was actually in our church not all that long ago to play it.”
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“Yes. Top dog. And it was a very strange experience. being put in the bishop's throne at Wakefield, it is right opposite the choir stalls where I'd started out as a little probationer boy looking across on those occasions when the bishop came thinking he was either Christmas or God come down from heaven to earth. It's quite extraordinary.”
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“Well, there was all that, yes, and the number of my legion of people who suddenly knew a little David Hope when he was seven or eleven or something else. I mean, it was amazing.”
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“Not one bit. Well, strangely enough, I'd said I would never ever work in London. But you see there again this god of surprises turns up and says oh no, well, you know, you're going to do as I tell you, not as you want.”
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“Sorting out. Come on. Well, very sadly the previous vicar had died of cancer he'd become rather kind of charismatic in his latter years, and this hadn't suited some members of the congregation.”
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“Well, I think I really must have among my selection a part of Bark's B minor mass which has always been a huge inspiration. And what better than the sanctus which does really speaks right from the very beginning of the sheer holiness, the wonder, the beauty and the splendour of God”
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“No, no, they weren't. Of my own training, and it's been a key feature, I think, of my life is that departure point in the morning that you spend that time on your knees, you know, with the Lord, and that's a non-negotiable thing for me. Maybe it's very slack really. So I had to institute a pretty disciplined regime.”
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“as well as all sorts of indiscipline, and indeed I did hardly recognise it as the place at which I had trained, where, in a sense the discipline had been very strict indeed”
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“That you had. It is. Because I can't see that eternity and the temporal are two separate things. The one is embraced in and by the other. It's all part of the same thing.”
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“That really touched you. Oh, there was. There was. Again, I think the sort of whole theological basis of Orthodoxy appeals to me The sense that you know here you are surrounded by the icons and the frescoes you go into the church, you are on the way into heaven, and there's the iconestis in the church, and there's this constant dialogue between, as it were, from behind the iconestis and the front where all the people are, and it's a dialogue between heaven and earth. You have glimpses of glory, the glory of God.”
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“It was very difficult time actually, and that of course the church under considerable surveillance and suspicion, though Causesco didn't operate a policy of closing down the churches.”
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“Yeah, I think looking back, I mean, I think that being part of the cathedral, choir and serving and well, I like to think that it was the way in which God was actually working in me to prepare me for ordination. Well, I've chosen that as my third record a Romanian carol, O Cheveste Minunate simply because I spent a bit of time in Romania and I remember hearing this carol two days before Christmas in a communist state, and it just struck me as being so transformative really the music and the words, simply telling the story of how Mary and Joseph made their way to Bethlehem and in the stable Mary gives birth to the Son of God.”
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“Yes, it did. I had intended to go and read either history or geography, but I came across when I went for interview there Allen Richardson, who said Why do you not come and read theology? And I don't know how these things happen why this happened I do not know, but I think God had something to do with it somehow or another.”
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“I think there was never any moment when I had a kind of Damascus road experience I think it was something which was you know there beginning as a sort of seed and began to grow and I actually didn't do anything about it until I was at Nottingham University.”
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“Well, there is that element, but there's also the other element which I believe in order to be fully human, whether you believe in whatever faith, tradition or none, I do believe that do we need times of rest, of recreation, of respite. And when I was working here, not very far from here in the west end of London, on a Sunday, you could almost feel the streets and the buildings breathing a sigh of relief that there was not all this noise and people tramping all over the place all the time.”
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“No, but I felt that that was that the officer of priest, I believe, is a vocation, and I'm not in it for the money, as long as I had a roof over my head and enough to get by with. I mean, that was fair enough.”
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“Well, I think there is an element of that, and I'm glad that I was brought up in the way that I was, because even now, I mean, I sometimes have to stop myself and hear my father saying Do you really need it? On the whole, I don't.”
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“Yes, so very much, sir. I mean, I think I'm very much aware or became very much aware of how much both my father and my mother, as it were, gave up for myself and my sister, and my father, I mean I can remember my father sometimes saying to my mother when they went shopping, you know, and she was casting her eye over this and that do we really need it? You know, I can hear that. An also a father drilling into myself and a sister said If you want something you're going to save for it. He didn't believe in all this having all this stuff on tick and all the rest of it.”
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“She used to tell a story. I mean, one of the great things was excitements was going to Waxcot Station to see her come back from London, seeing the train coming over the ninety nine arches into Wakefield Westcott Station. And you can smell the steam and so on. A real Yorkshire boy, aren't you? Very much. Record number two. Yes, well, I think Yorkshire and the brass bands have been part of the tradition, so I thought I'd select the Grimethorpe Collier band, one of the well-known bands of Yorkshire, and the floral dance.”
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“So yeah but it was all part of life you didn't think there was something extraordinary about it or special it was a kind of very sort of unself conscious kind of thing really although it sounds as if it was extraordinary in your family I gather you gave sermons in the asses your parents must have wondered what on earth was going on and took collections oh did you from whom well from whoever was around demanded money and what did you do with the money well actually I then sent it via Muriel to a church in London which had been bombed because she used to she was at London University at the time”
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“I can still remember the beginning of Lent there, for example, when all of a sudden the gold and the colour of the Ridos was covered over in a very bare sack cloth, and of course as a school used to go down on great feast days of the church as well. You're in the choir? I was in the choir, but the whole school wait for your grammar school used to go down in those days on those occasions.”
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“So it's quite crowded this house by the way. Yes, it was, and especially when they had to grow the grandmothers in at Christmas. But Muriel said Come along you two, I'm going to take you to church. Yes, and she took us to the cathedral at Wakefield, which was in the... Sort of Catholic tradition with lights and incense and music and so on, and I suppose that was the beginning of it all, really. Little did she know. That's what you fell for, was it the ritual? Yes, I think. The smells and the bells. Yeah, but not in any, I mean, you were caught up in something which you couldn't quite explain.”
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“Opening of Mozart's 40th Symphony performed by the Academy of St. Martin in the fields conducted by Sir Neville Mariner. Let's go back, then, David Hope to one hundred forty one, Thorns Lane, Wakefield. It wasn't a particularly religious family yours, was it? No, not at all ordinary Thornslane family, really. What did your mother do? I mean my mother and father went to church as far as I can remember occasionally but not on a very regular basis. But it was my cousin Muriel who was the real formative influence in my life. She lived with you. Yes, she did because her parents had died when she was very young and my father's mother took her in, so when my mother and father were married and went to live in the home, she was already there really, so she was like a big sister to us, myself's my twin sister. How much older was she then? About oh”
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“But for everyday purposes in Ilkley, you're David or Father. On Father David, yes. Father David, yes. Tell me about your first record, Father Dav Well, I've chosen the opening of Mozart's fortieth symphony because that's, I suppose, the first bit of classical music I recollect from our home in Thorns Lane, one hundred and forty one Thorns Lane, where we had one of those old wind up gramophones, and my cousin Muriel had a record of Mozart's fortieth symphony, and I could still remember it whenever the opening bars start up, my mind goes immediately back to our front room in Thorns Lane.”
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“Won't it? I said, What do you mean my office? I'm my office now. So I'd do all my yes, I do, and I'm very happy doing that. I quite enjoyed it. Or to drive you you had a chauffeur, didn't you? Well, I did, but I did a lot of driving myself. I do. The chauffeur was a bit too slow for me. I want to talk about your car fanaticism later on. But, I mean, you had, what, 16 million people in your jurisdiction? Yes, it was a very big responsibility to the Archbishop. There's no doubt about it. But now I have about 4,000. But in a way, much more, you're much more intimately involved with people and their lives now. But you've lost all manner of grand titles. You are in fact Lord Hope of the Thorns, aren't you? Yes, I am. What are the thorns? Where are the thorns? O' Thorns is Wakefield, it's the part of Wakefield where I was born and bred as they say, and I got a very natural affinity to that part of the world, and I felt that of your very appropriate title to take.”
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“A year in, David to Saint Margaret's Ilkley, is it living up to expectations? Are you feeling fulfilled by the move? Oh, very much so. It's something I'd always wanted to do, strangely ever since becoming bishop, because I've always felt that the basic ministry of the priest among his people is the fundamental ministry. But look what you've given up. You've given up a medieval castle, I gather you've got a house on a council estate. No, it's rather more than that. It's quite a pleasant little lodge on the edge of Ilklemore, which I must say is very attractive indeed. Equally, it has to be said I enjoyed Bishop Thorpe Palace, I mean with its wonderful chapel twelve forty one, built by Archbishop Walter De Grey A nine acres. What have you built at a balcony and hanging? Yes, yeah, but that's about it. That's about it. But that's fine. And now you type your own sermons? I do, I do everything. Somebody said to me the other day, oh well, your official.”
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“Castaway this week is a priest, until very recently he was the second most important prelate in the Church of England, but he's thrown it all up to return to the life of a local vicar. A Yorkshireman he rose rapidly through the ranks of the church where his talent for solving problems and soothing conflicts was much admired, an intellectual conservative he was personally opposed to the ordination of women and to Sunday trading. As Bishop of London in the nineties he was urged by a gay pressure group to out himself as gay. He responded by publishing the letter they'd sent him calling a press conference and telling the world that he led a single celibate life. A few weeks later he was promoted to Archbishop of York, the post he left behind earlier this year tired of the politics and bureaucracy to become once again a simple pastor among his flock. My focus, he explains, is much more on people than it is on paper. He is David Hope.”
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