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  1. Empathetic and emotionally huge they are as a result of dealing with this. I'm not saying it didn't come with problems and nobody would wish it upon themselves or anybody else and we want research, whether it's an epilepsy or autism, to intensify and deepen, and we hope for the best. But we also have to live in a decent society, a decent society. And I've gone to other places where I discovered that there are programs and ways of dealing with and caring for people like this that we do not have as the richest country on earth. And we are in so many ways. Betraying our best. Instincts and values by behaving

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  2. She's doing okay. She's doing okay, but she won't live independently. She works with, I call it a therapist teacher to help her do the most basic things, to be engaged with the world. And we do that, obviously, as well in kind of army of babysitters. But we have to recognize, you know, I'm a privileged character, right? I have this nice job. I live in this wonderful city. an enormous number of kids have problems like this and they don't have these advantages And the numbers are growing. And there's a lot of attention paid on the childhood aspects of this. These kids get older. Into adulthood. Their parents, I've read in the newspaper, I'm not going to live forever. Their parents die. Who's going to take care of them?

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  3. Yeah, it's very hard. And so my life is very simple. I've got work and I've got that and I cut out so much else, some I miss and some it's just that level of either obligation or activity that you just have to say, you know what, I just can't do that.

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  4. So, Esther was a reporter at The New York Times. It became... Untenable To do everything. And God knows we wanted to have the sort of feminist version of modern life. for various reasons, economic and the rest. This is the choices that this is what she gave up on.

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  5. Last night, Anderson Cooper. Look at the tragedies in her life. Look at the complications. Yes, the privileges are beyond imagining.

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  6. After another, but you know, I also think the older I get that everybody has something. If you peel back, nobody's going to live a life from zero to whatever they live to be, untouched by... Challenges, tragedy, complication. There's no smooth. I was just reading about Gloria Vanderbilt. A more privileged human being

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  7. You know, David, I stupidly thought, well, I had these parents who had such terrible challenges. I'm out of the woods now. Everything's going to be swell.

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  8. And the deficiencies are the result of Episodes that Natasha did not experience that. And look, we're very lucky in a million different ways. We're lucky to have these other blessings in our life. We're lucky to have extraordinary doctors, Warren Davinsky at NYU and other people, NY, I think you know.

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  9. You have three kids, two boys. Two sons in there in their mid and late 20s. One is a photographer, and one is studying at Oxford right now and finishing, or I think he hopes he's finishing a doctorate by the end of next year in American history. He's very interested in criminal justice. And they're doing great. And they're wonderful. And they have a younger sister who's 20.

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  10. But we want to be rightly known for our sense of accuracy and care. And sometimes that means... Sometimes that means taking the extra time to get it right

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  11. That's really amazing. And we now have a bunch of fact-checkers that are working on these web pieces. It sometimes feels like a scene in ER because it has to move a little faster.

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  12. And with all the systems in place. But we've had to experiment. In other words, fact checking, say. Which is the New Yorker is legendary for. And rightly so. How do we apply that to something that has a faster, a much faster? But we do it.

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  13. So last night, for example, you had a debate. This morning and late last night, too, we have a half dozen pieces up already about the debate, and that level of commentary has to be as good as, if not better than, I hope better than, then my putative daily rivals in crime. Whether it's the op-ed page of the Times or the Wherever it is online. Now, we've been at this for a while, and it's still evolving. In other words, we know how to do the other thing for decades.

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  14. But that supplemented by enriched by, energized by a website that has to be commensurate in quality even though the forms are different.

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  15. That's the hard thing. That's the hard thing. Well, the trick is not either or but and, which is to say that we are still publishing, and it's very central to us, this weekly New Yorker that comes out in print and of course is online as well. Yes.

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  16. When they say challenged, watch out. And the New Yorker, the best thing we have going for us, David, is that our highest editorial ambitions coincide with what our readers actually want from us. They don't want a dumber New Yorker. They don't want something that just has this beautiful logo and cartoons, but is now kind of something diminished. They want us to be at our best, and thank God they're willing to pay a subscription price that reflects for us. New York Times the same thing.

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  17. Yeah, it was. Know it wasn't becoming a high office holder or anything, but in our world, it was a high office. And as a high office, there's a lot of responsibility because you want To do a number of things all at once, and it's gotten only more apparent lately, which is you want to uphold the values of a thing. You want to create the space of freedom for these writers, but also make it possible for that to go on in the business sense. And the business of media, particularly written media, print media, has been, you know, that euphemism people use in business all the time challenged.

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  18. I think it was ill fated, and she both laughs and cries about it today that the person that she went into business was Harvey Weinstein. Enough said.

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  19. And so that was terribly exciting and terrifying at the same time. And so I wrote for with Tina Brown as editor for five or six years. And one fine day, and it was very, very sudden. Tina took off. She quit. She decided to go off and start a new magazine and a media company called Talk.

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  20. How is the transition from daily journalism to writing for the New Yorkers? When you're a newspaper reporter, you are rightly working on whatever you need to do to deepen your beat. Whether it's Moscow or covering a basketball team or whatever it might be, there's tremendous freedom in being a New Yorker writer, and I wanted that, and I like the real estate. I like the, you know, and you were going, you know, your rivals now or your colleagues, putatively anyway, were the best writers imaginable. I mean, John Uptyke was our...

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  21. I left the Washington Post and came here when Tina Brown became the editor. I had written one piece for the previous editor, Bob Gottlieb, and I came here partly because I needed to live in New York. My parents were really starting to go downhill, to be honest with you. And also there was a liberating thing about becoming a New Yorker writer as opposed to

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  22. I have banning on some of this thinking. I regretted you having to conflicting feelings about this too. And if it was just me and if it was just...

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  23. You know In the interest of moving on to the next day, as sometimes you have to do in a political position. We decided, you know what, we'll keep this for journalism and not do it for a festival.

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  24. I was going to interview him, we interview him all the time. I've interviewed him for pieces, people here interview, and they go on interviewing him. The criticism here was whether or not it was appropriate to have him at a festival.

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  25. Of course he is. Of course he is. He's a player in it Whitting and unwitting. And he doesn't care. This is his asset. When you read Steve Bannon and you hear about all the books that Steve Bannon loves, this is what it's all about.

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  26. He gave an interview to the Financial Times this morning. It just came out, in which he talked about the end of the liberal idea. So on the eve of this meeting in Osaka, he is asserting that the liberal idea of liberal values, of constitutionalism, of democratic values, that's over.

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  27. knowing or not. In other words, there's a little history to this, right? So the Cold War ends. The United States is triumphal and triumphalist. The Soviet Union cracks up and is in so many ways in terrible shape. And needless to say, Russia loses its footing as a superpower in so many ways other than its retention of nuclear weapons. The entire psychology of Vladimir Putin is restorationist, restoration of Russia as a great power. And the need for some sense of coherence to what Russia means. He is not a nostalgist for communism. He's an nostalgist for and re-establisher of nationalism and national greatness.

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  28. First came out. And a typical week, five or six things like this can happen. Offenses to... Democracy offenses to the truth, and it's all done cynically, and that remember that word we all used to use in the beginning, we have to be very careful of normalizing Donald Trump. Well, mission accomplished.

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  29. You know, I have to say, To start on a list of the sins of Donald Trump is something we should do, but we don't necessarily have four hours for. The use of the phrase enemy of the people. That's what Donald Trump calls me and now you and the press. That's what he calls free inquiry. Enemies of the people is a phrase developed first in the terror following the French Revolution by Robespierre. And even more emphatically and more commonly by Stalin. Stalin used the phrase Vragnaroda, enemy of the people. That's what he described. Anybody who either challenged the state apparatus or Stalin thought might challenge the state apparatus. That's the language of the president of the United States toward the people who make it their living to carry out the First Amendment every day. And that's, I don't know, where does that rank on his list of sins? We're sitting here in one week, in one week. The President of the United States has had a credible rape charge against him. And that didn't make the front page of the New York Times.

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  30. Soviet Union. David, a thousand years of autocracy, 70 years of communism, suddenly everybody can speak. That's the gift of journalists waits for all his or her life, right? So all these people, dissidents, authors, film stars, workers, farmers, communist party officials. Who could never talk to you to be a Russia correspondent prior to that generation was to have a very tiny circle of sources. And of course, you're being watched and overheard. It's a very circumscribed life. There could be excellent journalism, but it was really tough. Now the whole world opened up. I could just walk up to Mikhail Gorbachev in the lobby of an official building. Blah blah and go on and on. It was unbelievable.

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  31. Together with Bill Keller and Phil Taubman at the times, and they had a well-oiled bureau. They were terrific. And we were at the slightly pokeier Washington Post. And it was, you know, we lived in an apartment about the size of the studio we were in, and we were happy. Which is not large. Just for those of you who are.

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  32. A little bit in between, but yes, I was at the Washington Post from 1982 to 92, and in 87, the grandees of the Washington Post posted on a board, a very old familiar thing. Now they would post it online, the job opening in Moscow. They were going to expand the bureau from covering a landmass of 10 time zones from one person to two. And they wanted someone who could write more expansive features and not necessarily be just not an arms control expert or whatever. And I went and...

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  33. In the face of change. In fact, the Chinese can with some Reasons say we have lifted tens and tens of millions of people out of poverty through administrative means.

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  34. Again, who was beaten by three million votes, we have all kinds of distortions of our political systems that are anti-democratic, and we seem determined to do nothing about them.

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  35. But you know, when Buddha judged to his credit when he was asked on the debate, what do you think is the subject number one? And people have quite rightly had said before him in this absurd debate method of, in two words, what's the biggest challenge? And okay, it's a trick. It's a stunt. People had said climate change, rightly it said climate change and said other things. Buddha judge said democracy and he makes an excellent point, which is to say we are, for a number of reasons, having to do with a constitution that in so many ways is a glory but is also deeply flawed. And because of various decisions we've made in historical circumstances, our democracy is a mess. We've now elected a minority president again.

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  36. But you know something, David. They're all intertwined. It is everything. Even when I see, like last time, I don't think it was even mentioned in the presidential climate. Not once. Yes.

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  37. And now we have It's just unimaginable. Just at the time where you needed even more, you have a fantasist, a guy who believes in nothing but cynicism and science fiction, Donald Trump. And for all our joking records, I knew who you were talking about. This is how serious it is.

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  38. It is a problem. The New Yorkers has a really proud record on this. Bill McKibben wrote the first real popularization of what climate change. This is a mid-80s, a book called The End of Nature. Right after Hansen's testimony Elizabeth Colbert, who was written out The Sixth Extinction and also her book on climate change. We keep going after this. But it's not like the war in Vietnam. It's not like an issue, a typical political issue. In order to make an impact on global climate change. Needs to be a coordinated global politics that's so concerted, coordinated, and yes, radical, that we seem humanly psychologically, politically incapable of. Even in Obama's time, the best we could do was the Paris Accord. That was the best we could do. And that required... Herculean feats of diplomacy

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  39. Huge Yeah, it's a it's It's kind of like the way we allow ourselves to do things that we know are lousy for the environment. And we still do it

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  40. I remember asking Obama about this. He kind of dodged it. He said, well, you know, he made it clear that he wouldn't let his kids play. But he did not want to risk politically. And he was, by the way, watching a game on Air Force One.

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  41. So when I think about it today, do I ever look at boxing guilty, but not often? And I think, not that you ask me, but I think that we're going to be asking ourselves the same question. We already are about professional football, which is probably the Central American entertainment.

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  42. Thank you. But you know, David, everybody I interviewed for that book, the fighters, with the exception maybe a foreman. Ended up damaged. I interviewed Set across the table like we are here with Floyd Patterson. And he couldn't string a sentence together. Yeah. And there was only one reason for it.

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  43. But a transcendent cultural figure. And he hadn't, and his tragic end had not made apparent what boxing is. But I did end up writing a book about Muhammad

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  44. I just was obsessed with this and boxing. You know, one knew that it rattled the brain, but there wasn't quite the same degree of consciousness, at least in a kid.

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  45. One sport that Boxing. Well, you know, I grew up, as I mentioned, Dylan, the other great hero of that era that you couldn't avoid because of his magic was Muhammad Ali. Yeah.

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  46. Sports was fun, but it was, I made a deal with the sports editor George Solomon. He said, Look, Remnik, don't give me any problems. Do everything I tell you to do. And in two years, I'll get you a job doing what you want or closer to what you want. And he was good on the deal, and I just travel all over the country. And I covered even sports that I barely knew the rules to.

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  47. Whether this guy was good. Was this skinny Marink who was going to be nothing? And I managed to piss him. He was a skinny Marink. Yeah. And he did not turn out to be quite as good a pro as anybody thought.

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  48. Here in New York. And I asked Jeff Ruland, I said, how great a pro do you think Ralph Sampson, who was coming out of the University of Virginia, is going to be? And he never spoke to me again. He was so offended. His sense of well-being.

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  49. I knew enough. I knew enough. You know, I covered the then Washington bullets. I was the beat runner. I heard you pissed.

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  50. If they had told me you're covering aerodynamics or the weather or that's what I would have been. What they needed was a sports reporter and they said, do you know anything about sports? And of course I said, of course I do. And did

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