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  1. I think it would have been quite a big range that would take up another 20 minutes to discuss its breadth. But I think the thing is, if you're Scottish, you live under this belief that there's a mass conspiracy around the rest of the world to conceal how wonderful the nation is. And it just hasn't got out. So when we go abroad and we go to America, we just have to drink a lot of scotch, a lot of single malt scotch, and then talk to the barman that we're actually, that's where we're from. It's my ode to patriotism. So I like a good Scotch. And maybe when I'm in Austin, we can share a Scotch.

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  2. You're an example and an inspiration to so many people, and I'm very flattered to occupy your extraordinary mind for a brief period of time. And hopefully we can just add to it when it's issued. But I'm very flattered and humbled to be part of this exchange.

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  3. There's a wonderful line in talking about Tom Hanks films, Bridge of Spies. And you remember Mark Rylands, who pays the spy in Russia. And when he's imprisoned, one of the Russian spy in America. And when Tom Hanks interviews him in the cell for the first time, Tom Hanks says, do you understand the severity of the circumstances that are currently upon you? And he replies. If I did, would it make me feel any better? And I think that's quite opposite for this time that you have to be an optimist. You have to believe in the world improving at some stage. And if we were too examinating of just how miserable this is right now from every facet of society and business and finance, it's going to make you for a fairly miserable evening. one would hope that you just got to look over the hill a little bit.

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  4. Fulfill that virtuous circle upwards of just saying, no, we need to get better at that bit or this bit or whatever. And sometimes people say, the easiest question I get asked, Tim is, what's your best picture? And of course the answer is it hasn't been taken yet because if you feel that it was taken in 2013, how dispiriting that seven years ago you took your greatest picture, I would hope that when all this dreadful virus and repercussions for people which we've been blessedly unaffected comes to its denumment that I'll go out and I'll take far better pictures than ever taken before. What's the point of believing anything else? Gotta believe that your best works out of you this podcast will be a blip in Europe bottom left. Perfect linear upward trajectory of your podcast.

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  5. On the contrary, young man, I've learned a hundred ways how not to create permanent light. And there is an element in terms in my work with all animals in that by learning how to get it wrong, we've learned how to get it right. I mean, the pictures we've managed to take with mountain gorillas in Rwanda, with lions in Africa, with polar bears in Alaska or Norway, with orangutans, with the biggest elephants in the world, it is by an iterative relationship between taking a picture, recognizing its inherent weaknesses, and the areas where we can quite plausibly improve that you get towards the kind of work you're looking for. I don't think that process is any different from what you do or what 99% of people do is how determined you are that

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  6. My website is David Yarrow Photography. We show in galleries in America and in Europe and a little bit in the Far East, but on Instagram, we've got a recent presence on Instagram. My favorite story is a metaphor to my career is the one that you'll know well of Thomas Edison when he's trying to create permanent light. and he fails for the umpteenth time yet another time and there were press conference and one of the young journalists at the front says mr edison you seem to have failed again um to create permanent light you've been trying this for five years and it feels like we've made no progress at all and edison replies

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  7. Half time so they can be drunk because they're not allowed to drink in the stadium. So it's the only place in the world where I've seen, and I've probably been to more football sports stadiums and most in the world, your college games, it's the only place I know where they fill up at half time rather than people leave at half-time. And the people that arrive are all drunk. It's fantastic

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  8. The gap between David and that was probably only two seconds, but it felt like about an hour to me. Anyway, she was fine. She's brilliant. And that hospital, you go up to, I'm digressing and I know we're short of time, but I went to, there's a football team in Wisconsin, Madison called the Badgers. And when the Madison Badgers or whatever, In the UK, our college sport is watched by six people. So we go to this place in Wisconsin. There's like 75,000 people in the stadium. And for us British people, it's just a huge eye-opener to your college system and how fantastic it is. And I love the fact that in your college games, people turn up in the UK, people leave sports games at halftime because your team's losing. In America, people arrive at half.

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  9. And because she doesn't know him, the only person that really has accountability without responsibility is me. And I'll never forget it. She just looked me straight in the eye and went, David. And it was the gap after David. It was David. That was inappropriate

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  10. We had a moment with Cindy where in order to get a wolf's attention, you can either make it an aggressive movement one way or other, a bit like a dog, or you can make an aggressive noise. But wolves like dogs are smart. So they get bored of that after a while. So your third option is to use meat. And we're shooting outside. It's minus 15. And I've got the wolf in the car next to Cindy. And I'm just trying to get the wolf to look me in the eyes and to get the attention we're using meat. And the wolf wrangler has this chicken drumstick that has been in icy water and it's about minus 12. And he's got a glove on. And to my horror, he loses his throw of it and the drumstick from 10 yards whacks cindy straight in the eye on the face. cold chicken raw drumstick at nine in the morning.

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  11. Because we have that, the better. They're all, Tim, you know, you interview a lot of them. I think they are so long of kindness most of the time. I don't know about you, and this is a rhetorical comment. When you're dealing with these people, it's the entourage that I can't deal with. When you actually meet them, I mean, it's a bit like you, mate. Your entourage. I mean, but you seem quite a decent guy, so people underneath you.

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  12. to allow two or three of those to go to good causes doesn't cost me anything it marginally cannibalizes the addition but so what that's fantastic and through that that's forged uh many links and so for something like with with with cindy um she um she lost her brother to leukemia at a very young age she would work with me for nothing as long as a good percentage of the proceeds went to the hospital in madison in wisconsin that looked after her brother so that's now equated to half a million dollars that's much more exciting for her than her getting a check of 40 grand for a boring photo shoot she doesn't want that she's done enough of that she's earned the right not to have to do that and she is a champion for those kind of things so the more advocate

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  13. 95% of our art is being bought by people that have met me one way or another, listened to me speak, which you could argue makes it a non-expandable business model and has a work hard. But I think by and large, with celebs, celebrities or people that have been, I hate the word actually, celebrity, people that have been champions of their industry. If you can find a way to engage them with someone as to go right to the top, right to the top and the glue, if you like, the glue that stuck it all together is fundraising for charity. I've been lucky that my work is valued and because when we produce a print, there'll be 16 in a series, 16.

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  14. Like us. As Bill Gates said yesterday in his 15 things we've learned about coronavirus, ego and fame, they don't differentiate. We're all the same. And everyone that I've met that's a celebrity in some eyes, the vast majority are 90% of the time just like us, sports stars, I've found a very nervous about art in the same way if you took an artist to Amen Corner, the Augusta Masters, he would be nervous to ask where the part three was in the par fives were. How does the 13th play or whatever? In the very same way, sports stars that I met are nervous about art. And therefore, if you can, I think people buy people. I don't think that people necessarily buy products when the product is the work of a single person. They'd much rather tell the story about the person.

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  15. A conversation or a meeting or a message from someone very high part, whether it be the chairman of Google or whoever it was. I'm quite shy at those things, but I've got better at it. And I would also encourage people to say that we've all been rejected in our life. There's no shame in rejection. Rejection is part and parcel of the game. I think you maybe being rejected 10 times in one day can maybe be a little bit too much for someone but you can stagger your rejection rate but never be afraid to do it the one thing that I know from every person that people put on a pedestal as to how extraordinary they are and their symmetry status is that they're all

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  16. Talk about when you were a lecturer at Princeton and I've talked at Princeton several times because my daughter wants to get in and because you're not allowed to bung them any money these days the ethical way to do it was to give a few free speeches anyway it didn't work The speeches were fine but she just stayed in the UK But you talk about you gave your your class a test of making an uncomfortable phone call or email to someone to try and have

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  17. The first point I'd make is that I'm not drawn to celebrity per se. In my younger life, I dated someone that was much more famous than I'll ever be by multiple of a hundred. And the whole concept of being famous, like that way, scares me slightly. Some people say when you meet some of these individuals, you must your ego go up? And actually, it suppresses any kind of ego at hub because they're just so outstanding as individuals and you're humbled by their normality, by their pursuit of excellence, by their family values, by their manners. I think that's important manners, by their self-deprecation. I remember going in your writings.

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  18. Write down, I think you know the area well given where you live now, but we were sitting on the Rio Grande in a Big Bend National Park, which is one of the, I think, the least visited but most beautiful American parks. The only people that live there are kind of in witness protection program otherwise, or the Crystal Meth operators otherwise, you wouldn't be there, or the Mexican. But we crossed to the Mexican border four times in the morning because all you have to do is cross a 25-yard stream. And we were working with some Game of Thrones people, which is great fun. And just said, well, we're Mexico in two minutes and would photograph ourselves in Mexico, and then we'd go back and forth. And we had some proper cowboys down there. And to me, those are my most exciting days to be doing that in your country, which is so much history, but recent history. Your 19th century.

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  19. Of good guys, bad guys, outlaws, endeavor, drunkenness, whatever, crime is one of the great periods of history. And there's a romanticist within me that just loves that pushing to the final frontier. I can't articulate it, but what a great story in which to tell Canvas in which to tell pictures. And so we've been attacking Wyoming on Montana. And then the next move seemed to go to Texas because it's the home of the real cowboys and so much. We shot there two weeks ago.

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  20. So if you don't believe me, it's in the picture. But we have a love affair. We went to this place called Butte, Montana, and it was a big old copper mining place in the old days. And it was abandoned in about 1950. But a lot of it, as it was left. And we shot there in January in the cold. And there's in this heyday when prohibition came in and with it kind of speakeasies and stuff like that. And we found a few of these speakeasies. And it was such a wonderful canvas on which to tell painting stories. Whenever I talk about your Wild West, I get energized because to me, that final frontier expansion and the

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  21. This guy. At the bar, and one of my rules is whenever we shoot in a bar in the mountains, it's an open bar all day. So throughout the day, everyone gets absolute, other than me, hopefully gets hammered. And this guy, when Cindy's one sides, you've got an American sweetheart, an icon, and there she is, looking graceful, splendid. And then on the right-hand side, you've got a mountain guy age 85. And he's so excited to be standing next to Cindy Crawford. He actually pisses in his pants. And you can see the wet coming through the leather.

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  22. It's just the great thing is, so we got the picture and every Friday night now, people try and replicate the wolf on the bar. So it's the only time in my life I've done has given rise to a bar game in the evening. So you've got to try and reenact. We took Cindy Crawford up to that bar and she was great sport. And she played along with the wolf. And these guys who They're pissed. Is that a brilliant use?

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  23. I want to talk about making pictures and taking pictures, and I do tend to have preconceptions, but you are allowed to have spontaneity. And I said, well, listen, can we bring a wolf in here? And he said, we have wolves here on Monday, Wednesday, Thursday. It's fine. Wolfs come in here the whole time. And nothing was too much trouble for him. And I put some chicken wings around a string around my head, around my chest and lay on the bar and then the wolf would walk along the bar to try and bite the chicken off my chest.

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  24. It's not manifesting itself in a love of ghost dance. It happened to you too. So we stumbled across this ghost town, right up in the hills. And of course, because they're high, they've been preserved better than the ghost towns maybe in California and Arizona. And it's the characters there that we meet. And we met this guy. I was so cold filming outside and I just wanted to get a drink at the end of the day. And I walked into this bar that should have been, looked like it should have been closed in the ghost town. And there was a guy behind the bar that looked like he killed about 10 people. And it was open. And I looked at it and it was your quintessential American saloon bar with the wagon wheel on the top and the long bar going back and back and back. The stuff moose.

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  25. Because I think it's still the least dense. I don't think have they got a coronavirus, I don't know what the numbers are, but they're going to be single digit. I think everyone lives remotely in the mountains there anyway. When I arrived there and you get the big sky feel and you think this is amazing. But then you meet the people that are there. And some of them that live up in the mountains, it's just the people that time forgot. They're coordinate kind of time warp and high up some of the best. I've always had some sort of visceral attraction to ghost towns. Maybe it's a manifestation of my childhood fears of abandonment that I've now got this.

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  26. And Netflix instills that as I think you have, America has the most visually spoiled country in the world. Of that, there is, for me, of everything that I've said that some people might find contentious or even be interested in, I think you have by far and away the most extraordinary canvas on which to tell stories of any country in the world because you have such diversity, whether it be the urban beauty of Chicago, the swamps of Louisiana, the John Ford scenery of Arizona, and then the Rockies of Wyoming and Montana. And for an artist, which I hope that's what I am, it is a dream. And of all the states, the one that I get most excited of coming back to is probably Montana.

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  27. Far be it from me to criticize the accounting of Netflix, but if we spent, as we did last week 250 grand in Texas, we'll take that through the P&L last week. I'm not going to spread that over eight years. But what they have taught us is the importance of investing with confidence. The mistakes that we've made, my goodness, we make a lot, is when we decide, should we go for option A of a replica 1850s wagon that was made actually in 1970 by Ford? Or do we go for an original 1850s wagon that's going to cost double the amount of the replica? If you take that 6,000 saving, it's a false economy. In our own little modest way. So we have to have courage in our investment.

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  28. Please don't believe everything that's in there. I know people say I watch it because it's educational. But it's good fun, nevertheless. Anyway, so it's like 10 million an episode or throw in a couple for post-production marketing, 12 million. So you do a series of eight. So you're kind of talking about 100 million a series. Their accounting fascinates me because they'll amortize that cost over the expected worth of the crown.

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  29. Netflix is a fascinating business model. If finally dawned on the commentators on television today to say because they were trying to find businesses that were immune from the crisis that we're currently staring in the face of. And you hear this word Netflix coming up time and time again. And I'm wanting to kick the TV in because I'm sitting at home unable to film, unable to travel, and I'm going, Netflix can't produce any new content. Of course they're exposed to this. What do you mean that they're immune to coronavirus? They're right at the heart of it. Where's their new content? They are original content. It's in their mission statement. They fascinate me because their courage and investment, the crown, take the series of crown. And for all the Americans.

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  30. I think we should be tougher on ourselves. I think you and your writings, Tim, and I've seen quite a bit, you use the example of an athlete that has the expression no one owes us anything. And I think that's the kind of corollary of perhaps you should be tougher on yourself. I think the world of... There's no reason for anyone to go and buy David Yarrow work tomorrow unless it's constantly the best that I can do and is given third-party advocacy. It's not for me to tell them to buy it, it's for someone else to tell them. I admire Peter for trying to circumvent that. I think he's the only person that succeeded. It just wouldn't be for me. I wouldn't like to have 25 retail stores right now in America of my own.

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  31. The creative director at Victoria's Secrets. Now, Victoria Secrets has had a stunning fall from Grace over the last 18 months, and we don't have the time to go into the wherewithal and the reasons for that and whether they're right reasons or not. But clearly the brand is not of the hour. It is not what people want in 2020. And I understand that. When Victoria's secret, their head office was in Columbus, Ohio. And when you used to go into their head office in the foyer, they had two things. They had the newspaper from 21st of November 1963 with the headline Kennedy Dead. And then they had another saying that said perhaps you should be tougher on yourself.

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  32. You're so articulate, and you summarize that brilliantly well. Yes, that's right. Peter, you want to have, he has a brand and he has constancy in his product, in his product quality. I have a few expressions in our business. One is Tom Ford, Tom Ford, Tom Ford. When we go Tom Ford, Tom Ford, Tom Ford, what do we mean? Everything has to be constant in the commitment to the pursuit of excellence and taste. And so that people, when they're looking at the frame of our picture, they'll go, that's a David Yarrow frame. Even if the photograph wasn't there, even if the photograph was the poster for Once Upon a Time in Hollywood, they go, yeah, I know that film. That's a David Yarrow frame. The second thing, I used to, and I still do stay close to...

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  33. Or in his case, every big city in New Mexico, or Hudson, New Mexico, is going to make a difference. And so breaking bad was instructive for me for two different reasons

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  34. Should be not only in every cinematography class manual, but it should be on every economics class manual. So the cinematography side, I think it was emphatically the series that showed the par of immersive filmmaking. We live in an era of wanting to be there. My photography, I hope is immersive because I use wide-angle lenses rather than largely telephoto lenses. So you feel you're part of there rather than compressing distance. If you compress distance, it compresses emotion. If I'm going to photograph a man or a woman, I'm not going to photograph them from 100 yards away. I'm going to photograph them from a foot and a half away with a wide angle lens. And breaking bad did that. It also should be an economics rulebook because from the moment that he went from...

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  35. Let's just go straight into there's so many of those meth vans on the way to the Mexican border, by the way, from Marfa. Everyone looks like that one that they used in breaking bound. Anyway, putting that to one side, breaking bad to me was...

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  36. Is the art market? I don't believe that's true. I think it's one of the most regulated markets because it's self-policed. And something that is self-pleased, that regulation can actually be marked more onerous than something that is regulated by law. And if you do something that seem to be outwith what is perceived to be right by the art market, you've got to be careful. I use Peter as an example because no one has succeeded more in the vertical integration of their business than Peter, but he ruffled quite a few feathers by doing it. Because if he turns around and says he sold a pitcher for a million dollars, well, how do we actually know the provenance of that? I'm not suggesting that the New York Times did. A tough market to own the stores that sell your own work. Warhol didn't do it. Baskia didn't do it.

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  37. Take with a gallery because they are the gallery. The problem is that it is fig jam. It is fuck I'm good. Just ask me. There is nothing better than third-party affirmation. If you're asking your best mate about a potential new girlfriend and your best mate or vice versa, the best mate says, I think she's excellent. I think she's perfect. That means so much more to you. If a girlfriend's asking her girlfriend about a potential guy and says the same, we look for third party affirmation. I don't like to talk about my work too much other than when it's my job, when I'm on show, when I'm on a stage or whatever, or something like this. You need third parties to do it. A lot of people turn around and say, you know what, the last unregulated market in the world.

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  38. So the other photographer that I talked about in my piece, my mission statement was a photographer, Australian photographer called Peter Lick. Peter decided, he said good for a very strong, smart photographer, hardworking photographer, but he decided to vertically integrate the food chain. But what I mean by that is that he would take the pictures, but it would be his galleries that would sell his own pictures. And that is, it's not a unique business model. There are quite a few American photographers in the Rockies if you go to places like Jackson Hole or even Aspen, you'll see guys that take the pictures and then they have the galleries selling their own pictures. Obviously their margins are way higher because they're not splitting the...

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  39. Extraordinary life and knowledge. And Palm Beach is a bit like that. And New Orleans is a bit like that. But Palm Beach, you do see the incredible mobility of, I used to go to the Masters in Augusta quite a bit. And I know it's a smart event. But when you just as an outsider, when you listen to the conversations that are going around under that oak tree by the clubhouse, it shows the extraordinary geographical mobility of your nation. You'll meet people for saying, where are you now? I'm living in Seattle. Last time I was living in Chicago. And then before, oh, you've moved up from Austin or whatever. Those conversations don't happen in most countries in the world. Happen in your country. And that means that if you've got galleries in 11 or 12 of the hotspots, you do get that great cross-fertilization.

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  40. Arthur will not necessarily be selling at the levels that galleries in London or Dallas or Chicago, but he is so loved and so respected that the fact that you're part of his stable only curries favor elsewhere. I guess you're allowed, isn't it a bit like some of the actors that you interview, they will do stage performances. They will go on Broadway from time to time in Minor and the big bucks, but it's good for their spirit and good for their soul. And not every gallery, we've got 25 around the world, and not everyone, they should not be clones of each other. And some are higher ticket galleries that have less charm. And then some are galleries you just love spending time with and asking questions and tapping into their...

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  41. You're very good, Tim. You're very good. That's the right question. And the answer is a bit of both. There are galleries that we show at that might not ring the bell in sales all the time, but the fact that they are part of your dream team and that they rep you serves two purposes direct sales and also the provenance that someone that is seen to be a scholar in the art of the selection of artists has for whatever reason deemed to include you in their squad. So in New Orleans, I mean, that's extraordinary places now. I love it. I don't know it that well. I was there three weeks ago. And the art district has clearly been done up quite a lot now and developing quite a bit. And we work with, I think, one of the most celebrated galleries in Southern America.

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  42. And I know you're going to get many people to disagree with this to an extent, the wealth, the connections. And in Europe, you have five or six big ones where we have shows, but Aspen, for all its things that I don't necessarily embrace, it takes a lot of beating as a resort to be shown in. And we had a show in Christmas this year. It was quite funny actually because the gallery said we will give you a discount on your hotel because obviously you're going to have to come to your family. And before I asked what the discount was from, I said, that's very kind of you. We'll all be there. And then when you get to Aspen and New Year, you get a room about the size of, I don't know, a shoebox and they ask you for like 800 bucks for your discount stand to 720. But it's still...

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  43. Is seasonal, as you know. It kind of starts in November and goes through to May. The extraordinary thing about your country is the geographical mobility of people that have done well. They will have homes, sure they'll might have a home in the place where they work. But quite so many people from Palm Beach you find in aspen at times or up in Nantucket or whatever, in your holiday destinations, there does seem to be quite a lot of an expression you've got to be careful with right now, but cross-fertilization. There does seem to be people do hop and scotch and your resort markets. We have no doubt in our mind that if you take all the top 20 ski resorts in the world in terms of what you can learn, the quality of the people that are there.

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  44. So I lied as we all do these days, and I probably pretended I was younger than what I was. I might have said, I don't know, 42 or I don't know, 43. He said this picture is going to change the second half of your life. And I said, I said, well, hopefully for the better, because the last 10 years haven't been up to much. He said, no, it's going to change for the better. I said, why is that? He said, because it's a picture people need to see. And he said, I'll represent you from tomorrow. And that was the moment. And I remember getting absolutely drunk, hammered, pissed, whatever the British expression American expression back in Miami. And again, on my own. And that was the kind of, that was the moment. And so Palm Beach is a very important market, albeit...

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  45. Of chaperones. Yeah, guys with guns. I think my food, I think cost me about a dollar a day and the accommodation was about a dollar a day and then security detail was about a thousand a day. Anyway, I got the picture and it I think the best pictures can be looked at for a long time. And this picture could be looked at for a long time, I felt. So I left South Sudan on about the 28th of December. I get all my printing done in Los Angeles. And so eventually found my way from East Africa to LA, got the picture printed. And then took it to the gatekeeper in Palm Beach. And this is the same person that had rejected me for five times five times. And he looked at it and he said, He said, How old are you? Which I thought you should probably have known by now, but why should he?

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  46. Logistics, right? And I got it. So on Christmas Day, I spent Christmas Day at a United Nations refugee camp in South Sudan with a lot of guns knocking around and just drove north with my minders in tough areas where the civil war was going on. On the 27th of December.

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  47. Things weren't so good. So it was very clear to me that I wasn't going to see my kids on Christmas Day. And there's two ways you can react to it. I felt that you could be around the corner with friends watching Love actually for the 20th time and feeling miserable and pretending to keep a brave smile on being a loser. Or you can get the fuck out of there. So I decided on the latter and I felt a kind of calling in a way that I needed to go and do something. And South Sudan was going through a civil war. I'd seen some imagery there. And I'm kind of led quite a bit by the imagery of others without wanting to plagiarize it. And it looked like there was stuff there that if I could just get far enough north in South Sudan, I could get a picture that could stand the test of time if I got my lighting right in my hand.

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  48. In 2012, so after I'd written my Jerry McGuire piece, but no one really wanted to listen too much. And the guy in Palm Beach had turned me down four or five times. And he represented Nick, actually. He represented Nick Branton. And Nick, and justifiably so. And there was a Christmas in 2012 where I'm sure some many of your viewers, this will resonate with them. Unfortunately, sometimes when a marriage doesn't work, there'll be one day in a year if you have children that it can be tricky and Christmas Day can sometimes be that day in terms of whether you're going to see your children or not. And my ex-wife and I now have a wonderful relationship and she's here cohabiting with me in our house with the family now. But those eight years ago,

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  49. Thank you, but no thank you. And then you have to roll your portfolio up and then get a taxi or whatever to Miami International and then get a flight back to London. That's a lot of time to do a little bit of self-loathing or say, well, sooner or later he's not going to turn me down. And just going off on a tangent here, but probably my worst time, you know, our Scottish writer, the JK Rowling of Harry Potter fame and her lovely expression of rock bottom was the solid foundation which I built my life. My rock bottom was probably...

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  50. Yeah, I mean, I think that's right. And I think the kind of founding father of photography in the States lives in Palm Beach and the gallery is on that Worth Avenue with all the smart golf clubs and the luxury goods stores and whatever. And he turned me down five times. And there's nothing you write an awful lot about in your work about what you take out of rejection and not quite hitting it. And everyone has different responses to it. I'm a great believer that you have to experience those times to get better. And if you're a British guy and you turn up at the most important art gatekeeper for contemporary photography in America, and he looks at you and he says,

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