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Dawn Butler

lines on the record: 58
first: 2018-04-27
most recent: 2018-04-27
sittings or episodes: 1
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“Well, I'm known Shouting out of my car window for people to pick up rubbish that they've thrown on the floor in rent. I'm like, what's wrong with you? Why do you want to live in? You know, why don't you want to live in a clean place? Pick it up. And so I could kind of be seen as the mad MP as opposed to some people. I'm also known to shout at my window for young men to pull up the pants. Their trousers. Pull up your trousers. Turn them into my I'm kind of known to do that. A lot of shouting at my car window around the streets of Brent. So those kind of things irritate and annoy me. Bad service annoys me. Bad service. Cold food, hair in my food, those little things.”
2018-04-27 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Dawn Butler One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Injustice makes me angry, discrimination makes me angry. Yeah, those are things that... Will always make me angry if I think somebody's being hard done by or I get frustrated if I don't sometimes tackle an issue. It plays on my mind. If I've done something wrong, I get frustrated with myself. So I'm my own worst critic. But yeah, injustice drives me.”
2018-04-27 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Dawn Butler One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“And I thought that's going to be a really angry book, so I need to start afresh and kind of get in the habit of writing in almost every day so that I can log the good times and the bad times rather than just the angry times.”
2018-04-27 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Dawn Butler One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I need to start writing it first. I've kind of got all these ideas. I haven't started writing. I started to keep a diary at one stage.”
2018-04-27 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Dawn Butler One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“No. No, and it's not one of those politicians, oh, I've got no intention of a real. Because I'm really happy doing what I'm doing, being a help and a vital component and being a support. I don't need to be that person.”
2018-04-27 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Dawn Butler One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I would be exhausted. I just don't, I mean, it's a hard job, you know, without a shadow of a doubt. It's one of the most difficult jobs in the world. And I think the Prime Minister has a very hard job and the leader of the opposition has a hard job.”
2018-04-27 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Dawn Butler One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Did you just put me in the seat of the Prime Minister then for a moment? Did you just place me there? Did you just say that, okay? Did you spot that? I thought I'd slip that in without you realizing.”
2018-04-27 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Dawn Butler One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“That was one. I did that one. Do you know I've thought about doing that for my book? I decided that I'm going to write a book and then I'm going to every week say, oh yeah, I did that bit. Oh yeah, that was a bit of mine.”
2018-04-27 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Dawn Butler One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I can't give you the inner workings and the secrets. I can't give you those inner workings. But all I can say is that I play a vital role.”
2018-04-27 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Dawn Butler One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“So I'll tell you. So, in fact, under Gordon Brown, I would help in the preparations for Prime Minister's questions when we were in government. So I would sit in, we have like a small team and we will go through possible questions, etc., and responses and answers. So I did that under Gordon Brown. And essentially I'm doing that with Jeremy Corbyn.”
2018-04-27 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Dawn Butler One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I was calling on Trees of May to resign, actually. I think it starts at the top and I think it's under her watch as Home Secretary Prime Minister.”
2018-04-27 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Dawn Butler One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Oh, it is valuable. I mean, the Jewish Labour movement has done training for my team, for other groups in the party, for my constituency in Brent. Education's important.”
2018-04-27 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Dawn Butler One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Yeah, I think It's unhelpful for people to talk about it in that way. If there's an issue, there is an issue, we need to deal with it. Let's deal with it. What I would say is that Jeremy has been dealing with it. You know, the Chakra Bharti report is a very important report of action that the party needs to take. Where we've fallen down as a party is that we didn't implement it fully. And so now we've got a new general secretary. She's made it her number one priority to implement everything in the Chakrabhati report as soon as possible. And she's already started. So hopefully in a few months time.”
2018-04-27 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Dawn Butler One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Yes, of course. What you have to do when somebody is found to, especially if they unbeknowingly, so they don't realize the connotations of what they do, is to bring them on a journey so that they understand the offence caused and so they don't do it again. And those people can sometimes be the greatest advocate after they've done something wrong because they've gone through this whole learning experience. And that's important.”
2018-04-27 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Dawn Butler One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Yes, it did. And it was sad because you don't want anybody to feel abused or get abused or have that experiences. You know, I know what it's like to get abuse on Twitter and you don't want people to get abuse because of their race. So it was not just a surprise, but it was a disappointment.”
2018-04-27 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Dawn Butler One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“When I listened to people's experiences, Thought, wow, okay, there's an issue here that needs to be resolved and dealt with. How best is that dealt with? And so Jeremy acted very quickly in terms of ensuring that the Chakra Bharti report came out that there was an investigation.”
2018-04-27 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Dawn Butler One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I'm not sure if it would have. We don't know. We can only look at the evidence that's in front of us. And the evidence that's in front of us is that when Theresa May became Prime Minister, she stood on the steps of number 10, said she was going to tackle the burning injustices. And then looked at certain issues and found that her government has got policies that disproportionately affect Black and Asian people. And therefore, by the MacPherson definition in 1999, it can be detected that processes, attitudes and behavior which amount to discrimination through unwitting prejudice, ignorance and thoughtlessness, and racist stereotype in which disadvantaged minority ethnic people has found to be true in the Conservative government.”
2018-04-27 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Dawn Butler One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“The fact that the Prime Minister conducted a race audit, they must have suspected that their policies were having a disproportionate effect on a certain group and that's why they conducted a race audit.”
2018-04-27 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Dawn Butler One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Hesitant because I don't want the government to be institutionally racist. I don't want to be a part of an establishment that's creating laws that are going to hurt black and Asian people more than any other group. So I'm hesitant because It's true But it's almost like a dirty little secret. And I suppose. Somebody had to”
2018-04-27 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Dawn Butler One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“No, I mean that, and if you look at the definition, I mean that the policy, so it could be direct, indirect, something that's deliberate or something that's unfortunate. When you look at the policies, their policies affect Black and Asian people more than any other group disproportionately.”
2018-04-27 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Dawn Butler One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“The fact that the cuts to women's refuges has seen fifty percent of the small specialised refuges for black and Asian women close across London. Shocking.”
2018-04-27 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Dawn Butler One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“It was you said it. I did it. It was actually with a heavy heart, and I didn't actually mean it to come out. What happened was. Was Nile Patterson, he started off. Yeah, Sky Presenter. So Stito's asked me about Stephen Lawrence. And so what happened was I was reading up on the paperwork on Stephen Lawrence and I was reading up on the definition of institutional racism by the McPherson report. And as I was reading through it, it was like the penny dropped and I thought, oh my God, this isn't institutionally racist government. The policies are institutionally racist. It's affecting and it's not just the wind rush. It is also the fact that the austerity measures has affected black and Asian women more than any other group.”
2018-04-27 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Dawn Butler One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I think he was trying to unnerve me and belittle me at that moment. It was a very historic moment and he tried it on. And yes, you're absolutely right. They test your metal at the dispatch box and women get it more than men because when you think about the structural barriers that we have to overcome to even get into parliament, I mean, parliament was not built for women. When parliament was built when we became a democracy, they didn't think that women would ever take office. So we're having to undo years of barriers and discrimination to get there. So absolutely, it was because of my gender, because I was a woman, and it's also because of my race. I have no doubt.”
2018-04-27 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Dawn Butler One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“It really did. I was so nervous because, interestingly enough, just a few months earlier, we were talking about the abolition of the slave trade. And so we had that debate just a few months earlier. And as well as thinking about the shoulders of the giants that I stand on, also thought about the people who would be turning in their graves at a black woman's at a dispatch box. And I remember one of the Tory MPs tried to belittle me whilst I was at the dispatch box and said something about the word upskilling because I used the word upskilling and they said it's not in the Oxford dictionary. And I said, I think you'll find that it is a very well-known term. And if you'd like me to explain the meaning to him, I'd happily do that. So I just hit back. But yeah, they tried.”
2018-04-27 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Dawn Butler One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Have a drink with who I have had a drink with, and some people who I don't agree with politically, and we can have rows and arguments about issues, but you can do that in a respectful manner and in a respectful way and respect to everybody's differences.”
2018-04-27 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Dawn Butler One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Yeah, I got some friends, and you're going to ask me their names. No, I wouldn't. But yeah, I've got people that I speak to in the Conservative Party and people who I would...”
2018-04-27 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Dawn Butler One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“If I'm honest, I don't think they understand all of the issues the way that I understand them. Or sometimes I feel as though they can be in denial, but everybody has to do what they have to do to survive in their environment. So, yeah, they can absolutely be involved.”
2018-04-27 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Dawn Butler One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I think that we have different lived experiences and we're not one homogenous group. But I think, yes, they can be a part of it.”
2018-04-27 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Dawn Butler One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Yeah, absolutely. I mean, I've started to put feelers out to start a parliamentary black caucus, cross-party, so that we can get together and talk about issues so that we can talk about commonalities. I think it's important that we have representation of all groups in all parties. And I've also made connections with the Congressional Black Caucus in America and trying to link us together that way as well. I think it's very important and very powerful.”
2018-04-27 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Dawn Butler One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I felt angry. I felt like I could pick him up and throw him over the wall into the River Thames. That's how I actually felt. On the day, but then I was so incensed, I thought I could get justice. And actually, it was a huge lesson for me because I thought I could get justice and I realized that I couldn't because there's no avenue in Parliament to get justice. There's no HR. My whip couldn't do anything. His whip couldn't do anything. And so there was really nothing I could do but tell my story. And that's all I could do at the end of the day. And that hurt really.”
2018-04-27 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Dawn Butler One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Yeah, because I was going to the member section on the terrace and he's like, Where do you think you're going? And I said, I'm taking my team out to have lunch. And in my team, I had everybody, I had a young white guy, Muslim, woman who wore hijab. I had a Hindu woman. I had a variety of people that worked for me. And they all got really upset and they said, no, you have to go back and challenge. So I went back to him and I said, what made you think you can approach me in that way? And he said, this place, meaning parliament, is going to rack and ruin. They're letting anybody in nowadays. He didn't even, he wasn't even embarrassed or shy to say that to me.”
2018-04-27 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Dawn Butler One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“That lovely terrace that I David Heathcote Amory, former Tory MP, said, where do you think you're going? I said, I'm going to have lunch. And then I tried to forget about the incidents because sometimes that's what you have to do.”
2018-04-27 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Dawn Butler One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“But no, but the ones, like the situation in the lift when I was in the lift and some MPs said that this lift isn't really for cleaners and it took me a while for it to register that they were talking about me and I just said number one it doesn't matter if I'm a cleaner or not you know you've got no manners that's rude that's disrespectful and number two I am an MP but People found it so hard to understand or to believe that a black woman like me who's working class black woman no connections in politics could be a politician”
2018-04-27 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Dawn Butler One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“The time. I mean, I've only publicly spoken about two instances, and I'll save the rest for my book kind of thing. I kind of jokingly say I have to wait for people to die before I can put it in, before I can write about it. What? Because there are people alive now who you could embarrass.”
2018-04-27 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Dawn Butler One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Yeah, because you just do what you need to do, and people will like it or they will dislike it. But at the end of the day, if you are comfortable and confident in what you're doing and you believe in what you're doing, then let that be your moral guide, really.”
2018-04-27 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Dawn Butler One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Why would I want to? Because the benefits outweigh the criticisms. And I've come to the conclusion that I am not going to be universally liked. And that's only recently I've come to that conclusion. And it's like a weight lifted off my shoulders.”
2018-04-27 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Dawn Butler One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“People didn't like politicians, so you know, politicians get such a hard time all the time. Why would I want to be in a job where people are always going to attack me?”
2018-04-27 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Dawn Butler One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I was working with a GMB then, and I said they came and approached me, and I said, No, thanks, I'm fine, I'm quite happy doing what I'm doing. You know, I'm making a difference to people's lives. People like me. Why would I want to go and do a job where people are not going to like me? No thanks.”
2018-04-27 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Dawn Butler One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“When I got asked, actually, there was a seat in Hackney where the MP deflected, I think, to the Lib Dems, if I remember rightly. It was an all-women shortlist and they wanted a trade unionist to stand. And so everyone said, oh, Dawn's the person.”
2018-04-27 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Dawn Butler One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“It's funny, I never thought that they would think that when I speak to some of my friends, I'm still friends with a couple of people from primary school, he said, oh, you always knew you'd do something like that. Whereas it was never in my psyche, it never occurred. Really, it didn't. No.”
2018-04-27 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Dawn Butler One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Kid in the hope is administered proper hand molded bread done the old fashioned way baked in the oven that fresh smell the you know the first break of it I very rarely slice bread if I have bread I just break a bit off”
2018-04-27 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Dawn Butler One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“And it was really painful to him to think that I was going to change my name because I was unhappy with it, where he was working so hard to make something of our lives and his life. And so that's why I kept the name”
2018-04-27 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Dawn Butler One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I'm still Dawn Butler. Well, it was interesting actually because my dad bought a bakery when I was about 13 and he called it Butler's Bakery. And he said it's not just about the name, it's what you do with it. So what you do with your life, you know, how you make the best of a situation.”
2018-04-27 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Dawn Butler One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Something you said, or you've actually taken the steps? No, I actually meant it. I started to do a little bit of research and tracking the time.”
2018-04-27 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Dawn Butler One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“It was a hard time. And I just decided I didn't want this slave name anymore. I wanted to research, find my roots and change my name.”
2018-04-27 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Dawn Butler One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Because it's a slave name and it was just a number of things and I think I just got really angry about it. It may have been a time when roots was being shown on the TV and go to school and we had fights at school all the time because people would be so derogatory towards the black people in the school”
2018-04-27 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Dawn Butler One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Very kind of you. Thank you very much. I went to church, I grew up in the church. My brothers, we were supposed to go to church on a Sunday. They used to take me and go to the park and leave me at the church. But I think that, and yeah, being able to just stick up for myself means that not much scares me, I suppose.”
2018-04-27 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Dawn Butler One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“You've got to fight for yourself. Yeah, you've got to fight. You've got to speak loudly. You've got to make sure that you form constructive sentences that make sense. Otherwise, your family's going to take the piss out of you. That makes no sense whatsoever, you know, go back and start again. It was like when I was driving, I remember when I said, oh, look, I can drive. My brother said, okay then. And I really couldn't drive. And I didn't realize I couldn't drive until, you know, obviously I got in the car. But they pushed me to do whatever I did well and better. So it was that loving environment.”
2018-04-27 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Dawn Butler One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Yeah, without me even realizing it, I just felt that justice had to be served and I was that person that was going to fight for justice, but I never really connected it to politics. I just connected it to the issues.”
2018-04-27 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Dawn Butler One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“It was balanced power, and it was all about black and white people uniting. And it was all about equality and justice. And so he would sing songs of Bob Mali to me at night, get up, stand up, stand up for your rights, get up, stand up, don't give up the fight.”
2018-04-27 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Dawn Butler One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source