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Deborah Rutter

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first: 2019-12-02
most recent: 2019-12-02
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2019-12-02 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Deborah Rutter · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“I have so enjoyed this time. Thank you. Well, I'm at Kenson Prez on Twitter, and I've all over Facebook and Instagram, of course. And the reef is over.”
2019-12-02 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Deborah Rutter · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Well, exactly. And an idea that you don't actually understand how many times I have been in a meeting and an artist proposes something and I think, what in the world does that mean? And then after three more conversations, I realized that that is actually the answer to the problem that we were trying to solve. But I actually have training to understand that I need to listen, continue to hear, and support and suss out those ideas because they will advance into something more powerful. And that is what my goal is. Personally, in my remaining years here working at the center, but I believe that if we can fulfill that mandate, we will make a healthier world.”
2019-12-02 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Deborah Rutter · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Exactly So that's a really fantastic question. And I think that part of it is that I want to continue to believe that our artists are central to how we do that work. And I will tell you that I am being pushed every single day by our key artists at what we're going to do, how it's going to change into the future. But I believe that if we are successful, that this Performing Arts Center will be truly reflective of all of our world, all of our society, and the way in which we engage it. That means that technology will be a big piece of it, that we'll be forward-looking. We're not going to be resting on our laurels, that the arts and arts leaders will take an even more prominent step. So the reason I came to Washington was because I firmly believe that if we have more art in our day and we have more”
2019-12-02 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Deborah Rutter · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Unless people want it, unless they're in the immersive center and you're practicing on paper, which would be interesting. All right, I want to finish up by asking, what does the Kenny Center look like in 20 years, 50 years?”
2019-12-02 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Deborah Rutter · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Absolutely. Now, a dressing room is not a place where you would have cameras per se. But it's true. Well, in China, you might. But go ahead. It's men and women. So, no facial recognition for the Kennedy”
2019-12-02 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Deborah Rutter · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“That's exactly right. People ask us about security at the Kennedy Center because we're one of the few places that doesn't automatically at the front door entrance to all spaces have a magnetometer. But that's because we have unbelievable security that you're absolutely right. Yes, there's privacy, but there are not very many places where you're completely not seen. Absolutely. Now, addressing room is not a place where you would have cameras per se. Well, in China, you might, but go ahead. But for us, it's more about absolutely mandating that there is safety for all people, and particularly in the arts world, it's not just about women, it's men and women. It's about people of different backgrounds and how they're treated and how they're spoken to all along the way. So this is something that gives us an even greater opportunity to step it up another knowledge.”
2019-12-02 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Deborah Rutter · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“It is so important to create an environment of safety and security for your staff and for your artists and for everybody. And so I think for me today, it's more about taking the time to say, what more do we have to do to ensure that we have truly safe, fair environments for all people to be able to work? And it's all people, whatever your background is as well, because there are unintentional and unintentional things that happen all the time. So for me, this moment is more about saying, let's understand what the full environment is and what we must do to ensure that we have an absolutely safe environment for all people all the time.”
2019-12-02 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Deborah Rutter · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Not in my time. So the Washington opera had a really beautiful boom period of time when he was the artistic director. It was quite a number of years before I came to known and worked with Placido myself what an extraordinary artist and actually a warm-hearted, wonderful man as well. And yet in my career, I can absolutely tell you, separate from a conversation about Pasido, rather just to say absolutely these are issues that have over a period of time finally gotten to a boiling point where we were absolutely able to sort of say stop, this is the end. And I can tell you that as an executive leading an organization, and I've been an executive director for 33 years in my life,”
2019-12-02 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Deborah Rutter · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Yeah, it is. At some point, have you faced something like that? No, I don't think so. Not in my time. Well, speaking of which, Placido Domingo, the Washington Opera put out a pretty strong statement, disheartened and disappointed. How are you going to do, like in the Me Too era where everything comes out, there's emails for everything? We were talking before about this Facebook audio of Mark Zuckerberg. It's pretty much, how do you deal with that as an administrator? Because in the case of Placido Domingo, there's allegations of sexual harassment, essentially, by a lot of people. And he was very involved with the Washington Opera for many years.”
2019-12-02 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Deborah Rutter · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Political. And then there's a commentary. Who we are as people. Our lives Social commentary I remember I covered the Corcoran thing around Piss Christ and everything else. And I remember it was the first time I was like, oh no, now we're in a new territory. And I think that that's...”
2019-12-02 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Deborah Rutter · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“There are political shows Right, but that's not political. And then there's a commentary. So let's be clear. Art and artists are shining a mirror to who we are as people. They're telling the stories of our lives one way or the other. Sometimes it's through music without words. Sometimes it's music with words. Sometimes it's theater. Sometimes it's through dance. Sometimes it's more directly understood. But artists are always telling the story of our lives. And so it will always therefore have social commentary because that's what artists do have throughout life, throughout all time artists have always done this. That's what literature is doing as well. So it's really about how we show all of the story. And I am very careful because we are living memorial. We are, you know, subsidized. The building is subsidized by the federal government. But that doesn't tell me that I shouldn't put this show on or not or put it through some lens or other.”
2019-12-02 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Deborah Rutter · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Yeah, and you know what's really interesting is that for all my years up until coming here, so you know, well into 35, 6 years, I didn't really know who my board members voted for. Here I know it a little bit more because of how they were appointed, but I've always really worked to understand that we are presenting for all people and that art brings all people together. And in fact, this is really important messaging, which is that art is not for one red, blue, purple. It is for all people with a different perspective becoming like that.”
2019-12-02 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Deborah Rutter · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“No, my board is actually appointed by the president of the United States for a six-year term. So right now I have about a third of them are Trump appointees and two-thirds of them are Obama appointments. But you have to sort of...”
2019-12-02 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Deborah Rutter · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Part of that justice is that your own room. Yeah, it's interesting because people will not let go of them. So let me talk about two more things. You're in Washington and your board is bipartisan, right? Is that correct?”
2019-12-02 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Deborah Rutter · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Right. And part of that justice is that your own in your own room, it does, because you're having a shared experience. You're not alone. You can be disrupting somebody next to you.”
2019-12-02 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Deborah Rutter · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Because a lot of arts, and I agree with him most of the time, has been a turn off your cell phones, put down your cell phones, people yelling at you, performers yelling from the stage, which I love when that happens. Right.”
2019-12-02 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Deborah Rutter · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Never. And I believe we've done the best that we could with what information we have now to add that capacity into the reach as we have it now. And we continue to look at what we need to do.”
2019-12-02 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Deborah Rutter · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“We all think that. So let's remember when we thought television would change things, we thought the CD, well, it did in different ways, exactly. But that even in music distribution, eight-track tapes and CDs and all of that and that it would change it. Ultimately people, I am deeply convinced that the desire to be together. And that is sort of fundamental about this philosophical stuff that I've been thinking about, which is that we need places to gather.”
2019-12-02 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Deborah Rutter · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Well, we have, and I didn't take them off just to look around, and it felt kind of weird. You know, you can't say no to that because that could be the future”
2019-12-02 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Deborah Rutter · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“About VR, you know, rather than. Well, and I will teach you that we had a VR lounge throughout the festival, and it was packed the whole time people loved it. We had six different experiences, different art forms, theater, opera, ballet, a wide variety of things. People wanted to see what it would be like to sit inside the orchestra or to be a dancer on the stage. And so that is actually augmenting the experience that encourages you then to go and have the live experience. Would you like to?”
2019-12-02 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Deborah Rutter · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“That everybody You know who I had a fascinating discussion with Viola Davis, she was backstage at an event I was at, and she and her husband working on a VR thing around Shakespeare, Othello. And I was like, wow, that's interesting. Finally, an interesting conversation about VR, you know, rather than. Well, and I will teach you that we had a VR.”
2019-12-02 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Deborah Rutter · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“But AR and VR, we are talking about what it can mean for theater and how it would transform. Could you actually create something on that stage that everybody's having another view of it and it actually simplifies your stage production, which allows you to do more ambitious programs?”
2019-12-02 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Deborah Rutter · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“And you do spend a lot of time looking at stats. I actually believe that in the case of opera and in the case of other kinds of performances, translations are really powerful gives you a sense of what else is going on. But I will tell you that when I see supertitles in English for hearing impaired, I kind of get distracted by it because then I start watching it, thinking I can't hear as well when I can hear it specifically. What about A?”
2019-12-02 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Deborah Rutter · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“We We can do it that way. The advancement About in the seats, things in the seats. Stadiums have been experimenting with more information. I think it takes away. I mean, in sports, I could see it because you're sort of looking at the show and you good stats.”
2019-12-02 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Deborah Rutter · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Technology really advanced it. We were just talking about the new sets for the honors and how we believe it will transform how the performance actually takes place because the way you can quickly change sets and it looks spectacular and the colors are vibrant and the way in which you can help your performers. So technology is really about advancing the art form.”
2019-12-02 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Deborah Rutter · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“So I'm not so open to whatever we should explore these things, but I will tell you it is about the physical proximity. We are having a much more interesting conversation because I can look at you rather than doing it over the telephone. We can do it that way. But we are together. Skype can help you do things and Skype has helped with auditions and communications and planning and all of those kinds of things. I will tell you, though, that technology has been really critical to the advancement of the performances themselves. So if you think about what we did with Music Man on stage last year, all of technology was about the video or the video wall, the changing view that you could have of the sets, that it changed from morning to night. The same with Evan Hansen, so many different aspects where”
2019-12-02 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Deborah Rutter · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Virtual audience, have you thought about that? Are you just going to retire and say good luck next person? I have a friend who does all of her art on her iPad, all of it, and sends it off and it gets produced and she's very successful. So there's definitely technology that is the art. But I would also say that there's quite a lot of technology and it's been a really long time in coming of technology actually being the art itself. So we shouldn't ever deny, we should encourage that, we should not sort of say, oh, well, if it's not an authentic violin, it's not good. Well, we just saw black violin. One guy was playing a viola and it was made out of wood and the other one was playing electronic violin and they sounded great together. So technology is absolutely part of the art. Like a virtual audience.”
2019-12-02 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Deborah Rutter · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“I believe that we all have that moment 10 minutes in to sort of dying to check your phone. Yeah, I need to text now remarkably in this country we have not had that problem what the Constitution means to me is basically an hour and 45 minutes straight of one with one person talking with a little bit of extra at the very end and people were absolutely transfixed because she was telling a personal story. And so I think that when you believe wholeheartedly that what is happening on the stage is communicating and telling you a story, storytelling is at the heart of who we are as people. These devices I don't think are intended to tell you the story but help to connect people.”
2019-12-02 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Deborah Rutter · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Contemporary electronic music. We had the widest variety, one amazing afternoon that I was stunned because I didn't know what to expect was I walked in about 15 minutes before a performance that was supposed to be a string quartet from the Opera House Orchestra and a quartet of young opera singers and they were going to do programming. I got there a little bit early and the room was packed and I thought, oh my God, they changed the start time. Well, no, they came and watched the rehearsal and the sound check. And then a few people left and then some more people came in, packed. And they were just curious to see how did a quartet do their work? How did they balance with the singer? What were they going to do in this funny space that they'd never worked in before? And the people in that room...”
2019-12-02 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Deborah Rutter · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Is for this more sophisticated music as well as rock and roll, crazy indie rock, but he did it in his totally new personal way. And through the invitation of somebody like Ben Folds. Now, Benfolds is young in some ways and not so young by other standards, but it is through those kinds of relationships and that invitation that says, hey, I want to introduce you to this music because I think this is really cool and this is why. That makes a bit of a difference. I will tell you that having 16 days worth of free programming at the reach and seeing the amazing diversity. Well, that's what I was going to bring up. Remember Kenneth Senator Background and participation was extraordinary. And people were just saying, okay, let's try this. Let's go in and hear Robert Glasper and his music. Let's go hear Mason Bates and the, you know.”
2019-12-02 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Deborah Rutter · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“In the entire world. It does take invitation, and it does take invitation from somebody that you trust. And we know this about social media, right? You don't really want to hear from somebody who's trying to sell them a ticket per se, but you want to hear from your friend who said, oh my God, I had a great experience. We need to go do this. That's the kind of communication. So tonight at the Reach in the Skylight Pavilion, we're having a conversation with Ben Folds because he has a new book out. Ben Folds is this extraordinary artist, highly trained musician who has gone on this wild, crazy journey of artistic experience from where he started and how he developed and how he reached Stardom and what that journey has been like and has his”
2019-12-02 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Deborah Rutter · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Because it's evolving and it's Because this is a personal experience. How do you get them in? And I think, for example, cell phone addiction is something that's shared by everybody. It's very clear. How do you look at that when you have these sort of twitchy mentality of the entire country and the entire world?”
2019-12-02 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Deborah Rutter · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“You know what? This is something that I will be an even greater expert on for you in another five years because it's evolving and it really depends. So you say, oh, well, the orchestra, it must all be older people and they must not be as interested in change. And there certainly is a group like that. But you'd be surprised how many young people are coming and exploring because this is a personal experience.”
2019-12-02 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Deborah Rutter · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Thought it was going to be exactly demographic agent of the people that want to do this. Can you get your older people do much of your watching of it? It's like voting at the Kennedy, the demographics Kenny Center.”
2019-12-02 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Deborah Rutter · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“But what's really cool is when the artists who are members of the cast of Hamilton come and spend time with high school students and those high school students through this experience and this learning experience can actually tell their story as well. And that's the part that magnifies this exponentially, I think. And that's what connects people more so. So I think that the time where you go and you see a show and it's exactly the same as the last show, we wouldn't do it if we thought it was going to be exactly demographic.”
2019-12-02 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Deborah Rutter · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Ain't too proud was one that just happened two summers ago. The angels in America was also there. I think it was. I saw it six times. It was an interesting moment. I think this is exactly the kind of work. We still want to go to the movie and have that movie run and see the movie. Right, yeah. It's changing quite a lot. But more importantly, what makes it really interesting is when you have that other sort of sense of personal connection. So last year we had this long run of Hamilton. We will again next summer.”
2019-12-02 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Deborah Rutter · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“You know, when you say we don't talk to your average people, everyone has one guy had a brain tumor, and then you were like, what? The minute you start pulling things out of them. And so it was, I remember thinking this is the way it's got to go, like in many ways, because that's the one thing that really stuck with me rather than just, and I like, I go to theater all the time.”
2019-12-02 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Deborah Rutter · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Absolutely You know, one of the best shows I ever saw at the County Center, you guys all tested out a lot of stuff, including I was saying masterclass was Zoe Call, I saw that was tested. And too proud was one that just happened two summers again. The Angels in America was also there. I think it was. I saw it six times. I love that play. But one of the ones I remember for the rest of my life is Swalden Gray, late Swalding Gray, tragic end to his life, but he did an astonishing show at the Kennedy Center where he pulled people out of the audience. It taught me a lot as a young reporter. His whole premise was everybody has a story and a great story and a fascinating story. And so he literally pulled people out of the audience and interviewed them on stage. It wasn't set up in any way. And it was riveted. I went back so many times because he was an expert interviewer in a really interesting conversationalist. But it wasn't really that. It was that he was making art right there. And it was quite something. And it stuck with me all these years later because I do.”
2019-12-02 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Deborah Rutter · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“About Right, that's right. So, what we've been calling it at the main building is that's the display art, the witness something happening. Right. Although you do the shared experience is really quite different than doing it all by yourself or on your device. And then the other one in the reach is the participatory arts, the experiential arts. And so what we believe is for both of them to continue to be vibrant in our communities and our worlds, the social infrastructure of being together and having that shared experience is really powerful.”
2019-12-02 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Deborah Rutter · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“What you're talking about is experiential, which, you know, I talk a lot about with retail, every sector that's just selling something or just showing something where people are passive is really in trouble. It's not in trouble, but it can be problematic. Right.”
2019-12-02 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Deborah Rutter · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Which we have a really great residency relationship with them. And they're studying what improv is. We know that both, you know, we know that Jazz is Ivrov. We know that comedy is improv. What does it mean to do the two things together? So they were doing this sort of long-term.”
2019-12-02 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Deborah Rutter · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“But she was fine with it being in a zoo idea so people would stand outside looking through the windows to watch them. They're literally sitting, not moving much more than we are here in this room right now, but talking, and it was the idea that you could see art being created. And after a couple of days and going in and out of the room and people asking her questions, she said, okay, I'm fine with it. And we had 40 people at a time sitting quietly watching them, hearing them, listening to them, develop the art. And this is what it means to be either immersed in it or participating in it. Other programs that took place during the time were, you know, the opportunity to do dance, to participate in a jazz workshop. We're doing a really interesting thing with Jason Moran, the artistic director of jazz.”
2019-12-02 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Deborah Rutter · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Was there working on a new jazz opera, and she had her eight singers, she had her choreographer, director, music director there, and they were just workshopping what her plans were. And for the first two days, she really didn't want the distraction or the interruption of having people in the zoo.”
2019-12-02 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Deborah Rutter · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Should be talking to maid nonstop but looking at her device. But and she loves to get dressed up and go to a show. But let's be clear, she does all of her research in advance and on the other side to know what she saw, how it got created, all of that. So the reach, these 10 new spaces are about 10 new spaces in the reach actually complement the big building by providing the analog version of what it's like to do that backstory. So immersive means you get to come in and you sit in the theater while the art is taking place either around you or you actually are a piece of the art as it's being taking place. You can come into the reach and look through windows into seeing rehearsals and workshops taking place. One of the popular things that we had during the first week of the festival was that Esperanzas Bald”
2019-12-02 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Deborah Rutter · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Exactly. But I also want to say that those are the ones where you have to buy a ticket. And some people don't know, ooh, that feels uncomfortable. I've never done it before. It's like going to a new restaurant on the other side of town. You haven't done it before, so do you do it as naturally? So the creation of these new spaces was intended to invite participation because as you look at what future generations are really interested in, it's not just going to see the show. They want to know who that person is. They want to know what they put their art together, what's their story, what is their backstory. How did they create this work? And frankly, they want to see it happening. That's why YouTube concept is so important. That's why they want to see all of the developmental things. Exactly, the unwrapping of the experience. And I use my daughter as an example because she's 21 years old. Absolutely.”
2019-12-02 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Deborah Rutter · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“They also do the free concert on the wall. And next month we have a tello with the opera, but we just are finishing the last run of cats. So the diversity.”
2019-12-02 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Deborah Rutter · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“All of those different kinds of things that people could do, they still want to come to see us. And we're doing more performances, not fewer performances. How many performances overall? So last year was 2,300 performances. Wow, that's amazing. Now, one of them is every single day at 6 o'clock millennium stage for free. But then we do wide variety. The orchestra in particular is really diversifying. They just did four sold-out performances with Maxwell, the National Symphony Orchestra and Maxwell.”
2019-12-02 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Deborah Rutter · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“All of this is everything we do from the family theater with 300 seats for theater for young audiences to jazz club, which has 150 seats all the way up to 2,300 seats for the opera or musical theater to 2300 seats for the National Symphony Orchestra or a comedy show or a jazz show in the big theater. And so across all of the art forms, what that says is people want to be together in the analog setting. They are addicted to their devices, but having a shared experience with other people because you could stay home, watch it on television.”
2019-12-02 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Deborah Rutter · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Being here, I have been absolutely thrilled to see that by and large for all of our performances throughout the year, we have about 81 to 84% capacity. That means any show on average 84% of the seats are taken, which is a lot, which means people want to come together to have shared experiences. Right, 100%. Now, some of those are 100% attendance, and some of them are 67% attendance, but I will tell you broadly across all of the art forms.”
2019-12-02 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Deborah Rutter · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT