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Denis McDonough

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first: 2016-12-15
most recent: 2016-12-15
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“I think that's right. Well, actually, look, Kari made unbelievable sacrifices. Our kids made unbelievable sacrifices. The fact that I could come here every day is a huge blessing. I've seen it, there's times when it's harder to execute on that blessing. To have had the chance to do this and to meet guys like you along the way. This is all, as the president said. This is a huge blessing and a huge opportunity. Thanks, man.”
2016-12-15 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 105 - Denis McDonough · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I hope so. I hope so. Harken back to what we talked about at the beginning, which is. As far as I'm concerned on this planet to contribute and to serve, and I hope I get a chance to keep doing that in some way. And God knows what that will be, but God willing it will be something.”
2016-12-15 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 105 - Denis McDonough · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Yeah, I'm not surprised. I will say that I'm going to coach one soccer team for one of my kids. I'm going to coach a basketball team for another one of my kids. I used to coach a lot. In fact, I used to coach even in the first term, but I haven't been able to coach much in this job. And I see, as you and I have talked about, I see that time slipping away where I get to be with my kids in that way. So I'm going to do that for sure. Got to find some way to pay the bill. When the time is right, I'll start looking for that. And it's going to be somewhere in”
2016-12-15 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 105 - Denis McDonough · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Is coming in and working with guys like you and the friendships I've made and the confidence that you have when you go into a room, everybody's trying to do the right thing. Did we always get it right? Well, God knows that. We didn't. We've just talked through the Syria thing and. It's heartbreaking I'll tell you what, it's a cool, it is a really Gratifying, uplifting, affirming experience to come into an office whereas one diplomat said to me the flag flies every day, I'll miss that.”
2016-12-15 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 105 - Denis McDonough · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“She said the thing I was convinced of every day is that the president was going to try to do the right thing, informed by the right things, and that she said she felt that he always had her back. Tell you what, to be part of that. Is a cool thing. And notwithstanding some of the crazy stuff that people say about you and write about you and write about us and write about him. Which sometimes ask yourself would you ever my dad used to say if you wouldn't say it don't say it if you wouldn't write it and don't write it if you wouldn't sign it. And I'll tell you some of the things people say to think that they would sign it, and some of them do. But nevertheless, the point is what I'll miss Axe.”
2016-12-15 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 105 - Denis McDonough · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I'll set the policy stuff aside. I mean, there's stuff there that I feel really good about. But the thing I was talking Curry and my wife and I were talking when we got home last night, and she said, you know, I'm going to miss this. And I said, what do you mean? And she said, I'm going to miss feeling part of something bigger. And the president's getting a lot of letters every day, but he's getting a lot of letters right now. They're kind of nostalgic. One letter he read to a bunch of us last night had a woman ironically from Minneapolis. That's in Minnesota, sending in, saying that of all the things that have happened, and she was really happy about just getting a new job and the economy coming back, she said, all the things that she's appreciated in these eight years.”
2016-12-15 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 105 - Denis McDonough · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Yeah, and more than a million and a half internally displaced. So rather than get argumentative on it, let me say it this way there's not been a day when I haven't thought about this and I also much more importantly because he's much smarter there's not been a day when the president of the United States hasn't thought about this since then to ask himself that question. Routine that gets back together with his principals committee. To probe and press for new ideas. He brings in critics. In some cases, some of our most vigorous critics brought a couple of these guys in for lunch and sat down with them, very accomplished thinkers, to see, did they have something new or different that we should be doing that we weren't? And so far we've not come up with anything. It just turns out that this is a really hard problem.”
2016-12-15 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 105 - Denis McDonough · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Positive out So your question is stipulate to the fact that the chemical weapons are out, which they are. If we had used force, it would be better off. I'm not sure. So the question is,”
2016-12-15 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 105 - Denis McDonough · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“The most important thing about that moment was partly because of the way the president conducts foreign policy and has conducted foreign policy and had until that day. That was a very credible threat of force on the table As a result of that very credible threat of force against the Assad regime, they not only acknowledged the fact of a chemical weapons program that until that date they had denied, They both acknowledged and then gave up. The chemical weapons program. So, the important thing about that moment is the question is, did we establish a credible threat of force and leverage that?”
2016-12-15 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 105 - Denis McDonough · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“At the time, there were many Republicans and Democrats urging us to seek it and saying they would support it. So I had no reason to think it wouldn't pass at the time. Be hard, but that's a good debate. And, you know, when you're thinking about institutions Institutions being institutions and the country deserving to have all the institutions, which we have a different”
2016-12-15 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 105 - Denis McDonough · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I think the question I just tweak one thing you said, which is the question at the time was not whether or not a bomb. The question at the time was whether to seek congressional authorization.”
2016-12-15 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 105 - Denis McDonough · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Going to affect not just the 23 million people who got coverage now through the marketplaces. They're going to cover the nearly 200 million people who get it through their employers. And then if you end up having the kind of instability in that market, which, by the way, over the course of the last five years has seen cost increases at rates lower than at any time, year on year than at any time since we started keeping this data right after World War II. So not only will people get more coverage, better coverage, more comprehensive coverage, but they're getting it for cheaper and less this is mishandled. In which case there will be great instability, as I said, not just for the 23 million, but for everybody else too.”
2016-12-15 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 105 - Denis McDonough · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Yeah, because that's what insurance is for. For people who, when they get sick, they get covered. So, yeah, it's overwhelmingly popular because it's basically common sense. And so not only if they mishandle this,”
2016-12-15 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 105 - Denis McDonough · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Remember what the Affordable Care Act did. It not only created affordable coverage for people who didn't have it, but it made much And cost effective coverage for people like you and me. The overwhelming majority of whom get their coverage through Employer. So it requires employers to no longer, sorry, insurance companies for you and me to no longer deny existing coverage for people who have a pre-existing condition. By the way, the numbers of people with pre-existing conditions in the country, the way it used to be defined by the insurance companies, is overwhelming.”
2016-12-15 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 105 - Denis McDonough · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“23 million people, maybe even as many as 24 now have healthcare coverage under the Affordable Care Act that they did not have before. A big deal, and nobody forced that on them. These are 24 million people who went out and sought it and got it because they want the peace of mind that comes with it. And the next government needs to keep that in mind because people have a reliance interest now and have a basic interest in that kind of coverage. So hard things are hard. And the American people have an expectation that they'll get coverage. And by the way, get coverage at rates in the main that dramatically dramatically are lower than people estimated. The last thing I'll say about this act is, yeah, it's going to be hard, it'll be easy to repeal. I think, but”
2016-12-15 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 105 - Denis McDonough · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“It's hard. I mean, the president still has it on the desk. The little plaque you gave them that says hard things are hard. Give them that as I understand it in the context of the ACA debate. And there's a reason that it took until Barack Obama to get the kind of comprehensive affordable health care coverage that the Affordable Care Act represents. Notwithstanding everybody since Teddy Roosevelt trying, because it's hard. And so you're right, the replace part is hard. And I guess I'd say two things about that. One, and this was the point I was making a minute ago, notwithstanding how hard Republicans have made this. And notwithstanding The fact that it's become kind of mischaracterized. People want health care.”
2016-12-15 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 105 - Denis McDonough · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“That's a word on behalf of wellness and health of the American people, which happens to be coming in at dramatically under the estimates that everybody suggested it might. Dramatically, historically low healthcare cost increases”
2016-12-15 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 105 - Denis McDonough · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Oh, yeah, I think it, I mean, time will tell. You know, historians will look at that and reporters have written this up. I think it hurt. Hurt. But here's what we know, and this is true even since the election a couple weeks ago. Where, given that sense then, we've had some of our best days of enrollment on the site during this current open enrollment session. And by the way, people can go to healthcare.gov now. It works very, very well, and they can find, in fact, most people will be able to find a plan for less than $75 a month.”
2016-12-15 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 105 - Denis McDonough · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Yeah, it was pretty close. And he said, so turned out that the website didn't work. So I just remember that walk from the chief staff's office down to the president's office and boy it seemed very short because I didn't want to get there and there's times it can seem short, times seem very long But ironically, the way we are able then Pull that thing back together Such that millions of people could get health care coverage the first time in their lives is ironically the flip side of that great disappointment was the satisfaction that came therefrom. But then there's no doubt everybody”
2016-12-15 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 105 - Denis McDonough · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Work properly. So, the president, I remember that at the end of the first week as chief of staff, the president and I were talking, and he said, look, I want to have a stand-up weekly meetings on execution and implementation of healthcare.gov because we have first open enrollment at the end of the year. And so I want to make sure that we're on top of this. And so we did. We instituted at first monthly and then bi-weekly and then weekly meetings as we approached October 1. And he said at the end of every meeting, look, this is great, looks good, let's just remember that if the website doesn't work. Whole concept doesn't work. Well, it turns out the help.”
2016-12-15 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 105 - Denis McDonough · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Didn't even have the internet yet, and maybe he did. I don't know. So this is not a brand new challenge. One, two, that's not to underscore, not understate the challenge we face. We just, those of us who take comfort in the truth and facts have to be as aggressive in using the institutions as others are. And things like a podcast, things like using social media not to push along fake news, but rather to hold Policymakers accountable, and relying now more than ever on an independent news media, none of those things is easy, particularly probably the third, but it's never been more important now.”
2016-12-15 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 105 - Denis McDonough · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I would just say I don't want to prolong this too much, Acto, but I'd say two things about this. One, I think it was Mark Twain who said, you know, a lie gets halfway around the world before the truth gets its pants on.”
2016-12-15 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 105 - Denis McDonough · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Yeah, but that's true. And I think we ought to be careful to recognize that It's never been Our history that the American people think that the institutions are great. There's been an historic, historically there's been skepticism about Washington. So the answer to this isn't to reinvent Washington. The answer is to make sure that the institutions work.”
2016-12-15 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 105 - Denis McDonough · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“They're not self executing institutions. You need the people who work in them to make them work. And they have to take the responsibilities. They have to take the assignments. And they have to go make them work. And when we shortcut that, that's a huge mistake. And you're only going to pay a price for that. The shortcut never works.”
2016-12-15 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 105 - Denis McDonough · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“It still does. Yeah, definitely. Definitely. I mean, look, I don't want to overstate my role in this thing. I mean, I, you know, So I don't, this is not, I don't want it to be an aggrandizing thing. I think the important thing, and I believe this now in my bones, and I walk in this building every day, X, is to think that you're in a unique period in this country is a mistake. This country, this building, this room that we're in right now has seen it all. Think that somehow we'd be presented with something more difficult than the things that Abraham Lincoln dealt with. Or Woodrow Wilson or Franklin Roosevelt, or Tenny Roosevelt is the height of arrogance. And you have to have confidence in institutions to work.”
2016-12-15 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 105 - Denis McDonough · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Think we are going to be dealing with the consequences of it for a generation. I think we're dealing with the consequences of it today, with ISIL, with a dramatic instability throughout the Middle East. There is no doubt that we'll be paying the consequences of this for a long time. Dealing with the consequences of this for a long time.”
2016-12-15 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 105 - Denis McDonough · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“An astounding number. That's an astounding number. And so had we thought harder about some of the arguments that had been made in the fall of 2002, that the The operation would largely pay for itself was one argument that was made. Obviously, and that's just a financial argument, that's not a strategic cost and treasure and blood.”
2016-12-15 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 105 - Denis McDonough · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I think if we did, we would have thought a lot harder about some of the big consequences that we began to face early in that fall, in that spring after the invasion. Call that we passed an emergency appropriation for some, I think, $80 billion for the Reconstruction of Iraq.”
2016-12-15 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 105 - Denis McDonough · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Yeah Take the point on process notwithstanding, but I guess in this case, what I'm saying is by virtue of the way the process was carried out, I think we didn't do as good a job of having a national debate informed by that informed”
2016-12-15 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 105 - Denis McDonough · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Which I believe now is a fundamental mistake. It was probably a mistake to do the negotiations after 9 11 in such a small group, but there's no doubt that it was a mistake to do the negotiations in Iraq in the fall of 2002 in such a small group. And so ultimately, obviously there's a couple of hearings, a couple of markups, and then it was passed overwhelmingly in both chambers that fall. And then in the spring of 2003, obviously, the conflict in Iraq started based again. Authorization to use military force against Iraq. In retrospect, I think it should have been that we insisted on doing those things much more publicly, public hearings, full legislative history, markups, debates, because it would have done a better job of informing the American public of the cost of the operation.”
2016-12-15 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 105 - Denis McDonough · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Well, we asked Congress to give us a new piece of legislation about two years ago. And despite asking for it They have not acted on it, which is similar obviously to the serious situation, which I'm sure we'll discuss. So fast forward Denax about, I don't know, six or eight months when you're into the spring of 2002. We began, there began to be hearings then in the Sent in the house about Iraq, and in the summer of two thousand two then the The Bush administration started to make a very concerted case late in summer early in the fall. You'll recall that they talked about you never want to roll out a new policy in the August recess, you know. So, in the fall of 2002, there's a pretty big national deb And Congress wanted to be heard on the question. And we began again to negotiate that resolution in that small group of people.”
2016-12-15 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 105 - Denis McDonough · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“So fast forward now, and that becomes the basis for the action in Afghanistan. And we continue to use it today as we just publicized yesterday in a very comprehensive and unprecedented report about our legal basis for actions around the world against terrorists. We continue to rely on that piece of legislation until this day.”
2016-12-15 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 105 - Denis McDonough · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“You think to yourself, why is six or eight or ten people writing, negotiating, and writing such a consequential document? Shouldn't that have been done in open hearing, in markups with full legislative history? And the answer is, well, it was a very difficult time. We still didn't know whether there was pending attacks, but we did think it was important to send a very strong signal quickly about the resolve of the country. So the result was by Friday morning We had finalized then among the four leaders and the president a resolution that was voted on in the Senate on Friday morning passed 100 to 0 and the House on Friday afternoon. Now this is all September 14th by then 434 to 1 objection in the House. So this passes overwhelmingly.”
2016-12-15 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 105 - Denis McDonough · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“So we have a negotiation. And because of the circumstances surrounding it, it was a relatively small group of people involved in these negotiations. The four leaders staff, Mr. Gephardt, Speaker Haster Lott and Leader Daschel, and our people, their people, and the White House. So it was a handful of maybe six or eight or ten people.”
2016-12-15 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 105 - Denis McDonough · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“2001 would have been a Tuesday night. We began to have conversations with the Bush administration about an authorization, whether they would need an authorization to use military force against those forces that carried out the al-Qaeda that carried out the heinous attacks on 9-11. Those conversations broke into negotiations in earnest on Wednesday, continued Wednesday.”
2016-12-15 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 105 - Denis McDonough · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“So I put the 911 resolution and the Iraq resolution together for the following reason, which is why I want to talk about the 9-11 resolution for just a minute. On the night of september tenth, which would have been a Tuesday.”
2016-12-15 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 105 - Denis McDonough · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Tumultuous politics to instability. A perfect example of that is that there's been a lot of interesting work about the start of the Syria conflict, which is obviously something that we've spent a lot of time thinking about here, and that the initial instability was informed in large measure by a terrible famine in Syria that led to pretty dramatic instability and led to a lot of the early protests against the Assad regime. I'm not in any way here trying to suggest that the Assad regime itself is not responsible for this gruesome instability.”
2016-12-15 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 105 - Denis McDonough · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Well, you've seen it from our intelligence community. You've seen it from the Department of Defense just in the last several years as we make our own plans for, we don't make investments in the defense space or in the intelligence space for next week or next month or even next year. Make it for the next decade or the next couple decades. And we look at the kind of materiel we're going to need, the kind of firepower we're going to need, the kind of basing that we're going to need and the places we're going to need them, or bases that we have now that in the context of dramatically warmer climate and higher seas, bases that won't be vulnerable, not just to higher water, but also to dramatically more tumultuous weather.”
2016-12-15 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 105 - Denis McDonough · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Meant that you're seeing steel come back. And it's that kind of collaboration that kind of worked together, that kind of investment in the common good in these communities, that leads to Opportunity in jobs. There's different ways that it's been handled by other companies, I believe, in the coal space, which I find less ultimately.”
2016-12-15 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 105 - Denis McDonough · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Don't you know? And I'll tell you, Steele was in a bad spot, a big lot of global steel do in many respects to a number of things, but including dumping from some of our biggest, some of the biggest countries in the system like China. But I'll tell you what we saw there was communities working together with unions, with companies to provide the kind of information that allowed the US government to make some decisions about what was happening in the global marketplace, what were anti-competitive practices from some of our trading partners. And you see now that kind of collaborative work leading to, I think, a series of trade enforcement actions from the US government, from this administration.”
2016-12-15 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 105 - Denis McDonough · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“That companies have made And then they somehow, notwithstanding having made those decisions, then blame those decisions on others. And I think as a cynical way. And I went up to the Iron Range about a year ago. Minnesota, like you said, yeah, that's good. It's a long.”
2016-12-15 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 105 - Denis McDonough · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“You know, and have done so in some ways in a very cynical way. Which is to say that you have companies that are making decisions based on cost. As I just said and as we just discussed, gas is much cheaper and much more competitive at the moment than coal. And those are economic decisions that”
2016-12-15 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 105 - Denis McDonough · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Shows right now. Not only is gas Very competitive vis-a-vis coal, but wind and solar. Are competitive with both gas and coal.”
2016-12-15 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 105 - Denis McDonough · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I'd be happy to make this chart available to you. It was a chart that was brief to us in the morning meeting just last Wednesday.”
2016-12-15 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 105 - Denis McDonough · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“You go. There has been an overwhelming turn towards electricity generation through natural gas use. Because of the revolution in natural gas production here in this country, And the coincidence. Significant drop in cost. So, as electricity generators Sought the best, cheapest, and ultimately cleanest set of options. They've gone with gas overwhelmingly. And even increasingly now wind, solar.”
2016-12-15 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 105 - Denis McDonough · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Some of it has been in also unusual ways. It has been winning hands for them at the moment anyway. And so can it be easily undone? No, it can't. In fact, what has to happen now is to pull it back, they have to go through all those same intensive steps also subject to litigation as to whether they can take off the kinds of common sense regulations and rules that we've put in place. Third point I'll make on this, which is the market has a say. And I don't want to sound like the Republican here. Explain to the incoming Republican administration.”
2016-12-15 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 105 - Denis McDonough · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“So, back to climate. The second thing I'd say is I think for the last several years in particular, some of our critics have been making what I would consider an ahistoric criticism, an afactual criticism, criticism of the president when he would exercise authorities, executive authorities that every president, as far back as I've read, has used to make policy in this country. And what they did is they overstated the extent to which the president used that authority or the differences that the president, the different ways the president used it as compared to other presidents. That clean power plant, for example, we're all subject to rulemaking, public notice and comment to considerable litigation.”
2016-12-15 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 105 - Denis McDonough · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Well, so I think I'd say a couple things about this. One is depending on who the Set aside the personnel question for a second because as the president said, I think in his press conference down in Peru 10 days ago or so X. When you sit in that office and you know this, reality and demands have a way of creeping up on you. And that requires some very hard science-based, reality-based decision making. And I have every confidence that that will continue to be the case when we're gone. Irrespective of the views that you bring into the office, I think you got to take a look when the stakes are as high as they are. You got to take a look at every available option.”
2016-12-15 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 105 - Denis McDonough · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“If all of a sudden they're going to go back to questions of water scarcity. That kind of tumultuous weather patterns that are becoming more and more prevalent. Those boy, you can't help but want to do everything we can right now because you don't want to go look in the eyes of your kids and grandkids in 20, 30, 40 years and have them ask, did you do everything you could to stop this?”
2016-12-15 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 105 - Denis McDonough · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Energy and focusing on climate. And so there's no doubt that that period really kicked it off for me. And then it continued with Daschel, who spent a lot of time and continues to stay focused on low carbon energy and innovation and jobs in that space. And then the last thing, and this is something I talk with the president a lot about, and I know you do too, Ax, is when you have kids. Or, in your case, grandkids”
2016-12-15 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 105 - Denis McDonough · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source