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Dennis McKenna

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first: 2021-07-21
most recent: 2021-07-21
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“So there is that, but we're trying to bring together brilliant people and propagate this worldview, this idea that we're out of sync with nature, essentially, and that psychedelics is one way to help us realize that and help us get realigned with nature, because that's the big challenge that we face right now. And then that could spin off into another three hours of discussions. We won't go into that.”
2021-07-21 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #523: Dennis McKenna — The Depths of Ayahuasca: 500+ Sessions, Fundamentals, Advanced Topics, Science, Churches, Learnings, Warnings, and Beyond · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“I think we've covered it pretty well. I would say look at the website. We have resources there. We have events which have been done in the past that you can still register. They're all recorded. Think of it as a place for resources and so on. But also get in touch. We want to be open. We want people to bring their talent and their wisdom and everything else to the table and their money, but that's not necessarily the most valuable thing. Money is just the grease that lets the thing run.”
2021-07-21 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #523: Dennis McKenna — The Depths of Ayahuasca: 500+ Sessions, Fundamentals, Advanced Topics, Science, Churches, Learnings, Warnings, and Beyond · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“And when we didn't get to that, but I was thinking about that. What I would put on the billboard is what I get from ayahuasca and other psychedelics, which is remember how little you know. Remember how little you know. And science often forgets how little it knows. So it can be kind of arrogant at times, but you can't be a true scientist without being a mystic, I think. I mean, that's the thing. The deeper you probe. More complex, the more beautiful, the more intelligent it all seems. And this is why I think we have to appreciate science, but understand it's not the whole story. It's not the end of the story. Just a useful tool”
2021-07-21 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #523: Dennis McKenna — The Depths of Ayahuasca: 500+ Sessions, Fundamentals, Advanced Topics, Science, Churches, Learnings, Warnings, and Beyond · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“But I am totally on the same page with you about this. To my mind, science. Properly pursued only deepens the mystery. That's the thing. It doesn't take the mystery away. It shows you how mystery exists profoundly at every level. That's the whole idea of the McKenna Academy being a mystery school. The mystery is the mystery of existence, which is bottomless. It's endless. And science is one of those tools we have not to take the mystery away, but to make us appreciate what the mystery is. And I'm thinking of something that I had a couple of exchanges and I said, Tim's going to ask you, what would you put on a billboard?”
2021-07-21 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #523: Dennis McKenna — The Depths of Ayahuasca: 500+ Sessions, Fundamentals, Advanced Topics, Science, Churches, Learnings, Warnings, and Beyond · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“You're informed, you really do your homework. So that's a huge thing. I think it could have gone better. We could talk all afternoon.”
2021-07-21 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #523: Dennis McKenna — The Depths of Ayahuasca: 500+ Sessions, Fundamentals, Advanced Topics, Science, Churches, Learnings, Warnings, and Beyond · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Yeah, well, I wouldn't say that, but it helps. It helps. But I would love to have... More conversations with you, Tim, online and offline. This has just been incredible. You're a fantastic interviewer. I'm not the first that told you that. Thank you, Dennis.”
2021-07-21 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #523: Dennis McKenna — The Depths of Ayahuasca: 500+ Sessions, Fundamentals, Advanced Topics, Science, Churches, Learnings, Warnings, and Beyond · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Well, I have people handling most of the social media for the academy, so I'm not on there. I'm on Facebook and Twitter, but not much.”
2021-07-21 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #523: Dennis McKenna — The Depths of Ayahuasca: 500+ Sessions, Fundamentals, Advanced Topics, Science, Churches, Learnings, Warnings, and Beyond · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“In the world that I seem to have time for is this kind of stuff. Okay. Well, I'll send you more details about that capital campaign and some of the other projects that we have. And yeah, this has just been amazing. We killed two and a half hours.”
2021-07-21 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #523: Dennis McKenna — The Depths of Ayahuasca: 500+ Sessions, Fundamentals, Advanced Topics, Science, Churches, Learnings, Warnings, and Beyond · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Circle sounds like a good thing. I don't know how much time you have to go through all this stuff, but I'm going to send you.”
2021-07-21 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #523: Dennis McKenna — The Depths of Ayahuasca: 500+ Sessions, Fundamentals, Advanced Topics, Science, Churches, Learnings, Warnings, and Beyond · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“That's incredibly generous of you, Tim. Thank you. Thank you for that, and thank you for encouraging your listeners to contribute. If we get a few more donations in that range, we won't have to do a fundraising campaign. Our goals will be pretty much met We want to be responsible stewards of these funds. And in that regard, we're also open to people who they may want to support us financially, but we want more than just finances. We want advice. We want wise people. We're creating a, we call it the symbiotic circle, but a circle of advisors with connections to other supporters, but also ideas like people like yourself, for example. I don't know if you're interested in being joining our symbiotic circle, but you're certainly welcome to. Thank you.”
2021-07-21 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #523: Dennis McKenna — The Depths of Ayahuasca: 500+ Sessions, Fundamentals, Advanced Topics, Science, Churches, Learnings, Warnings, and Beyond · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Thing. This is what's in danger as the habitats are impacted. The community structures are impacted and the traditional knowledge. And one of the first things to go is the knowledge of plants.”
2021-07-21 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #523: Dennis McKenna — The Depths of Ayahuasca: 500+ Sessions, Fundamentals, Advanced Topics, Science, Churches, Learnings, Warnings, and Beyond · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“biopiracy so we have to be very sensitive to all those issues so that we can say you know we're bioprospectors not biopirates we want to share the wealth if there's any return on the investment we are committed to having indigenous people have a big stake in that have a place at the table and a big say in how this goes forward because really they've been the stewards of this knowledge for millennia really and it's always been the case that big pharma big science comes in they take what they want they say thanks very much see you later develop billion dollar drugs off these things and that's not right the indigenous people should get some recognition for being the stewards of this knowledge that's the whole”
2021-07-21 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #523: Dennis McKenna — The Depths of Ayahuasca: 500+ Sessions, Fundamentals, Advanced Topics, Science, Churches, Learnings, Warnings, and Beyond · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“If it's properly done, the Mechanic Academy is kind of peripheral to it. We're involved, but we're not, you know, we're nonprofits. So we don't have to make profits. But it's going to be a very interesting project. And it goes into these ethical areas about who owns this knowledge, who owns this.”
2021-07-21 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #523: Dennis McKenna — The Depths of Ayahuasca: 500+ Sessions, Fundamentals, Advanced Topics, Science, Churches, Learnings, Warnings, and Beyond · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“There's great discovery, great potential for drug discovery because we have only looked at about 10%. And those are the Number that we maybe took a superficial look at, the number that have actually been thoroughly investigated is closer to 1%. So there's tremendous potential to find new compounds. In fact, that's another project that the Mechan Academy is working on or collaborating with a group called Woven Science, a group of entrepreneurs and scientists and other types. We're in process of developing a bioprospecting platform that will be affiliated with the university in Aketos. And then you get into basically a search for new molecules, screen them against a whole variety of possible targets. So this is another long-term project that will probably run into the millions.”
2021-07-21 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #523: Dennis McKenna — The Depths of Ayahuasca: 500+ Sessions, Fundamentals, Advanced Topics, Science, Churches, Learnings, Warnings, and Beyond · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Around 10%, if that, of course, worldwide, they're always revising the number, but the total number of plant species, higher plant species in the world is around 240, 240 to 260,000.”
2021-07-21 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #523: Dennis McKenna — The Depths of Ayahuasca: 500+ Sessions, Fundamentals, Advanced Topics, Science, Churches, Learnings, Warnings, and Beyond · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Are documented by an herbarium specimen that you can always go back and check. And now, of course, they use DNA profiling and this sort of thing, just another tool in the arsenal kind of. But if you look at the chemical history of ayahuasca, if you look at who did what when they were sorting out what the alkaloids were, the first four or five investigators, I can send you a keynote about this, which you can look at at your leisure. But the first four or five groups of investigators, they didn't take vouchers. So their work is not worthless, but in some ways degraded because there are not vouchers to document what they actually worked on. That's the thing with voucher specimens.”
2021-07-21 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #523: Dennis McKenna — The Depths of Ayahuasca: 500+ Sessions, Fundamentals, Advanced Topics, Science, Churches, Learnings, Warnings, and Beyond · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Collect pieces of the plant make it herbarium specimen of the plant, make several in different herbia around the world, but at least the herbarium of the host country, and then you can always go back to that because taxonomists love to question each other. And so if you have a reference specimen, you can always go back and look at the actual collection. And somebody said, well, this is banisteriopsis copy, you know, the McKenna collected in 1981, but five years later some other botanist may come through there and say, well, that wasn't bannisteriopsis copy. That was banisteriopsis long giolatin, you know, and these people are fools. They didn't know what they were doing. This is what taxonomists do all the time. They fight with each other. But the point is that the chemical investigations”
2021-07-21 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #523: Dennis McKenna — The Depths of Ayahuasca: 500+ Sessions, Fundamentals, Advanced Topics, Science, Churches, Learnings, Warnings, and Beyond · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Voucher specimen, this is what Schultes used to rave about all the time. He would go on about, oh, he did all this chemical work on, say, banisteriopsis, for example. And there is a whole history of chemical investigations going back to the late 19th century, people looking into the alkaloids, the composition of banisteriopsis. Voucher specimen is simply an herbarium specimen that you make. And if you're collecting plants and you're dragging them back into the lab to tear them apart chemically and see what's in there, you have to be able to reference a reference specimen, essentially.”
2021-07-21 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #523: Dennis McKenna — The Depths of Ayahuasca: 500+ Sessions, Fundamentals, Advanced Topics, Science, Churches, Learnings, Warnings, and Beyond · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Yes, I mean, we have a rough idea. We're undertaking a capital campaign now fundraising campaign. People should feel free to visit the website and donate if it grabs you, but we're looking to raise about $600,000 by the end of the year. And this is to support various projects like this. And then the herbarium digitization project, which is much more ambitious and much more expensive and it's going to stretch over a couple of years. What we're dealing with is essentially an herbarium, which is a gym, a scientific gym, but it's in a third world developing country university. So there are a lot of deficiencies. For example, at this herbarium, there's like 100,000 specimens, but at least half of them aren't even mounted. So we want to get enough funds to complete the herbarium, essentially, and then link it into various”
2021-07-21 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #523: Dennis McKenna — The Depths of Ayahuasca: 500+ Sessions, Fundamentals, Advanced Topics, Science, Churches, Learnings, Warnings, and Beyond · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“A lot of things so yeah, I just think it's worth looking at this in the light of some new discoveries. I mean, you know, these things can never be proven, which actually makes them more fun because then you can make these wild claims. And nobody can disprove them either. That's where we're at with that. But I think knowing what we know about neuroplasticity was the word I was looking for, that psychedelics foster neuroplasticity, epigenetics provides a mechanism for inheritance. And so I think that changes the speculation from plausible to maybe more than likely.”
2021-07-21 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #523: Dennis McKenna — The Depths of Ayahuasca: 500+ Sessions, Fundamentals, Advanced Topics, Science, Churches, Learnings, Warnings, and Beyond · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Neural architectures of neurogenesis and enhancing the connectivity in the neocortex and that sort of thing. And that was not known at the time Terrence wrote the book. What was also not known was anything about epigenetics. And epigenetics provides an evolutionary mechanism by which these changes In neural architecture could be propagated through generations. And if you look at the environment that we now know from paleoclimatic data and that sort of thing, Northern Africa was a wet place a couple of million years ago. And there was seasonal rainfall. There were cattle there. There were the ancestors of the modern cattle. And there were hominins. The three variables in this environment did exist. What was the long-term impact of that? Well, you know, the food of the gods basically led to the origin of consciousness and the imagination.”
2021-07-21 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #523: Dennis McKenna — The Depths of Ayahuasca: 500+ Sessions, Fundamentals, Advanced Topics, Science, Churches, Learnings, Warnings, and Beyond · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“And we're going to do that because one of Terrence's books, The Food of the Gods, is being reprinted again. I'm actually Doine online event with Michael Pollen and the publisher. We're doing essentially a podcast together. But then we're going to do a one-day symposium on the Stone Dape theory and have some interesting speakers. I wrote a new forward for it, which I'll be happy to share with you. And we're going to have this symposium because we're going to revisit this whole idea, which actually, based on new discoveries, is more plausible than it was when Terence first proposed it. And that's my forward is about, in part, is that we didn't know about the way that these psychedelics can create these hyper-connected”
2021-07-21 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #523: Dennis McKenna — The Depths of Ayahuasca: 500+ Sessions, Fundamentals, Advanced Topics, Science, Churches, Learnings, Warnings, and Beyond · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Of ethnobotanist, and I was on this committee. He got his degree at the University of Hawaii, and he studied cultural keystone species in the Amazon around Pukulpa, which is basically ayahuasca. He is going to be the main instructor in this course, which will be online. And then we're planning to do a virtual symposium probably in August on the stone date theory.”
2021-07-21 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #523: Dennis McKenna — The Depths of Ayahuasca: 500+ Sessions, Fundamentals, Advanced Topics, Science, Churches, Learnings, Warnings, and Beyond · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Well, a couple of things are on the plate. So we've got this kind of long-term project, this knowledge preservation project, which we're beginning to brand it as biognosis. And that is, the focus right now is on the documentation part. But then the next phase, which will take much longer and cost a lot more money, is to focus on the herbarium there, which Juan Ruiz is the curator of this herbarium. So that's a long-term project that we want to do. In the shorter term, we're working on developing an ethobotany course in collaboration with the Organization for Tropical Studies in Costa Rica. And we're going to be offering that course this fall. And one of the people that is working on that is a guy named Michael Coe, who is”
2021-07-21 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #523: Dennis McKenna — The Depths of Ayahuasca: 500+ Sessions, Fundamentals, Advanced Topics, Science, Churches, Learnings, Warnings, and Beyond · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Oh, definitely. Yeah. We have a number of people that are associated with it. The woman who is the executive director, Christina Chaya, lives in Peru, and I've worked with her previously on organizing retreats. So she continues to work with me. We have very good people on our board. One gentleman with lots of experience in the financial industry. Another woman is a corporate lawyer. So we have that expertise. And then we have just a fantastic bunch of advisors, one of whom is Alexandre Tanu, who you know very well. And Way Davis is an advisor, Hall Stametz, is an advisor. So we have a number of high profile people. Yeah, definitely.”
2021-07-21 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #523: Dennis McKenna — The Depths of Ayahuasca: 500+ Sessions, Fundamentals, Advanced Topics, Science, Churches, Learnings, Warnings, and Beyond · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“It is. It's a 501c3 tax exempt organization chartered in the United States, even though I don't live in the United States anymore. I live close enough. I live in Canada now. But the Academy is incorporated in California as a 501c3.”
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“Due to COVID. I mean, eventually, we want to get back to that media obviously is an even bigger part of it because the internet is our teaching platform now. Therapeutics, again, not so much because they're usually associated with the retreats, but education for sure and R&D, this project that we're doing with this gentleman at UNAP, the university there, is in the category of R&D.”
2021-07-21 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #523: Dennis McKenna — The Depths of Ayahuasca: 500+ Sessions, Fundamentals, Advanced Topics, Science, Churches, Learnings, Warnings, and Beyond · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“To make it into a world-class resource for plant research of all kinds that would be centered at the university. So this is all described in our website, and that's probably our biggest project right now for which we're seeking support.”
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“He's not a healer, but he has tremendous knowledge of the Amazonian flora and the medicine properties of these plants, and he knows many, many healers in the community. So we're trying to document his knowledge because even though he's a scientist, he doesn't write things down. So we're trying to, through videography, make a documentary about what he knows. big plans for this project we call it the knowledge preservation project the first aspect of it is to make a short relatively short documentary about this gentleman whose name is Juan Ruiz and then to develop over the long term what we want to do is work with the herbarium there and digitize the herbarium and try to”
2021-07-21 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #523: Dennis McKenna — The Depths of Ayahuasca: 500+ Sessions, Fundamentals, Advanced Topics, Science, Churches, Learnings, Warnings, and Beyond · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Chain starve business model radically because we couldn't do these conferences and so on. So we've had to pivot and go online. And that's what we're doing now, just trying to create an online presence and continue our work. It's partly educational, it's partly research. We've got a project going on down in Peru right now. We're making a documentary about the current state of traditional medicine in the Amazon around the ketos. And a lot of it is about this botanist that I've worked with for 40 years there, who's the curator of the herbarium at the university in Iquitos. And he's one of these people about which it's said when a medicine man dies, it's as though a library has burned down. Well, he's not a medicine man in a sense.”
2021-07-21 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #523: Dennis McKenna — The Depths of Ayahuasca: 500+ Sessions, Fundamentals, Advanced Topics, Science, Churches, Learnings, Warnings, and Beyond · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Natural philosophy being the precursor of science, what science used to be before it became so quantitative and reductionist, natural philosophy is the root of science. And it differs from science in that it admits that there are other ways of knowing rather than the reductionist way of knowing. That's valuable, but that's not the whole trick. This is the limitation of science. Science can understand segments of reality, but small in small pieces. But it doesn't fit the whole picture together too well. So the academy is basically, I guess, the modern analog would be something like Essela, a place where ideas and brilliant minds can come together and create dialogues. And of course, COVID”
2021-07-21 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #523: Dennis McKenna — The Depths of Ayahuasca: 500+ Sessions, Fundamentals, Advanced Topics, Science, Churches, Learnings, Warnings, and Beyond · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“The new nonprofit, the McKenna Academy of Natural Philosophy, which is www.mackenna.academy, academy is the suffix of the website. And I wanted to create a originally the idea that we would start this academy and that we would have a physical place in South America where we could do retreats, which we had been doing all along, and then conferences and different types of educational activities to explore natural philosophy. And a lot of it was the ideas that would be a modern mystery school modeled after Ellus or not modeled after it, but in that spirit, a place where people could come together and share ideas and marvel at the cosmos and marvel at existence and do what natural philosophers do.”
2021-07-21 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #523: Dennis McKenna — The Depths of Ayahuasca: 500+ Sessions, Fundamentals, Advanced Topics, Science, Churches, Learnings, Warnings, and Beyond · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“That's This was just approached by these young men in a very recreational way. And they were out to have a good time. And it was not good.”
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“I mean, that's very, very sad. It's hard to predict, but apparently he had this family history of schizophrenia, and he was, and the mushrooms triggered this. So this is why you have to. Approach it from an informed place and hopefully with a practitioner, whether a therapist or a shaman or whatever who can hold that space and modulate the outcome to take it on the streets of New York Probably not a good idea, especially if you're not from New York. I don't know.”
2021-07-21 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #523: Dennis McKenna — The Depths of Ayahuasca: 500+ Sessions, Fundamentals, Advanced Topics, Science, Churches, Learnings, Warnings, and Beyond · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Potentially, yes. There was schizophrenia in this family. It was a very strange family situation. I mean, his mother was a devout evangelical Christian, and his father was like a psychedelic cowboy. He grew as mushrooms in the basement and brewed his own ayahuasca and so on. And so it was a weird family situation. It was very bad. I don't want to disclose too much. Of course.”
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“He went back. He was on psychiatric meds and he was fairly functional when he was doing that, but he hated being on psychiatric meds. And it was a tragedy in many ways. He never fully recovered.”
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“Bellevue, Bellevue. The only reason that he was able to resolve it in some ways was that at this point I was getting involved. I was actually in Brazil as an ayahuasca retreat when all this was going on. But my friend called me and said, this has happened. Is there anybody in New York, a psychiatrist that could help him? And as it turned out, I said, well, yeah, as a matter of fact, Steve Ross might be able to help him. And I called Steve. This is all done by Skype. There was, you know, and I called Steve and I explained the situation. And he said, well, as it turns out, I have admission privileges at Bellevue, which I had no idea that he did. But he went over there and was able to intervene on this young man's behalf and get him out of there. But the guy... Never did recover.”
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“That was a big mistake. Next thing, you know, he was in jail and being transferred to what is the huge psychiatric hospital there, Bedlam or something like that.”
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“Like small town boys in the big city, you know, and just having a great time. They took a lot of mushrooms and he sort of descended into this delusional world. His friends said, well, we're going back to Minnesota. And he said, well, I'm staying here. What are you going to do? Live on the streets? Yes. And he had this whole thing. Well, it didn't take very long for him to Come up against New York's finest. As you might say, because he was acting pretty strange. And he got into a tussle with the cops and punched one in the face.”
2021-07-21 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #523: Dennis McKenna — The Depths of Ayahuasca: 500+ Sessions, Fundamentals, Advanced Topics, Science, Churches, Learnings, Warnings, and Beyond · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Some kind of baseline, but with that changed perspective, with the benefit of having had this experience and changing that perspective and so on. But sometimes, I mean, this is why set and setting is so important. And when you take it in an inappropriate set and setting, then there's the potential to come up against what we call the real world, you know, society and its conventions and its expectations. I mean, for example, I can share with you the son of a very good friend of mine in Minnesota at about age 18 went with his, I don't know what his previous psychedelic experience had been. Not great, but a few low-level mushroom experiences and so on. But he decided with some of his friends to take a trip to New York City.”
2021-07-21 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #523: Dennis McKenna — The Depths of Ayahuasca: 500+ Sessions, Fundamentals, Advanced Topics, Science, Churches, Learnings, Warnings, and Beyond · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“There would definitely be times when a psychiatric intervention, I'm not saying that every time, for me, the fact that the experience could play itself out, what was allowed to play out was this process of integration. And integration is really important, as you know, to psychedelic experience in this process of getting back to”
2021-07-21 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #523: Dennis McKenna — The Depths of Ayahuasca: 500+ Sessions, Fundamentals, Advanced Topics, Science, Churches, Learnings, Warnings, and Beyond · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“There were plenty of them in our system. And then, of course, on the night that we didn't experience, we ate them. But yeah, mushrooms are tricky. Mushrooms are not necessarily to be trusted in a certain way because they can lead you into these delusional spaces As a plant teacher, well, they're not plants, but as a psychedelic teacher, they're somewhat less trustworthy than ayahuasca. You can get into these delusional spaces. And it's something to be careful of.”
2021-07-21 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #523: Dennis McKenna — The Depths of Ayahuasca: 500+ Sessions, Fundamentals, Advanced Topics, Science, Churches, Learnings, Warnings, and Beyond · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Yes, yes, yes, and so we never really in this process we never really did give ourselves a chance to get back to baseline as you will and look at well what's what's going on here now that we're unstoned we were never unstoned Most of what happened with the experiment at La Terreira when we actually perform the experiment at La Terreira was post-mushroom. We weren't eating them anymore.”
2021-07-21 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #523: Dennis McKenna — The Depths of Ayahuasca: 500+ Sessions, Fundamentals, Advanced Topics, Science, Churches, Learnings, Warnings, and Beyond · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Some people say I am, but I don't think so. But it was actually a healing experience, and I came back from it stronger. And I feel like even though I've continued to take psychedelics ever since on occasion, I've never gone to that place again. And I'm kind of grateful for that. And I also feel that I'm basically a fairly stable person.”
2021-07-21 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #523: Dennis McKenna — The Depths of Ayahuasca: 500+ Sessions, Fundamentals, Advanced Topics, Science, Churches, Learnings, Warnings, and Beyond · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Lecture I give, a talk I give, it was a psychotic break, was a sharpic initiation, or was it an alien encounter? Probably all three in a certain way, but it was closer to a shamanic initiation. Not that I call myself a shaman, I'm not, but it's the shamanic initiation is where you get to explore these dimensions and then you get back out. You get back onto your mundane feet in 3D and ordinary reality and whatever that is. I'm kind of wandering here, but I think the point is because of the fact that it was able to play itself out from beginning to end, it was actually a very healing experience rather than being disorganized and incoherent for the rest of my life.”
2021-07-21 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #523: Dennis McKenna — The Depths of Ayahuasca: 500+ Sessions, Fundamentals, Advanced Topics, Science, Churches, Learnings, Warnings, and Beyond · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Dangerous place this was to be in and that potentially it could have gone the opposite way where I never did reintegrate. One of the reasons that I was able to reintegrate, I think, was because of the circumstances at La Gera, the process had to play out. There were people in our group who said this is totally out of control. We need to get these people out of here into a psychiatric facility and under treatment. And Terrence and I both completely resisted that because we understood what was going on, at least we thought we did. We were in communication with each other and it was like, no, you just need to let this play out. And I think that was the right thing. I mean, it was, I have a...”
2021-07-21 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #523: Dennis McKenna — The Depths of Ayahuasca: 500+ Sessions, Fundamentals, Advanced Topics, Science, Churches, Learnings, Warnings, and Beyond · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“It is one of the cards in the deck and people should be aware that this is a possibility, which is one reason why it's important to have a strong ritual environment, a strong ritual context and an ayahuasca practitioner that kind of knows what they're doing because they can keep you on track and get you out into hyperspace and gets you back. And that's kind of the whole essence of shamanism. I have not since La Turreira had experiences that have kept me three sheets to the wind, if you will, for weeks at a time. It was not particularly pleasant. And at the time, I was not concerned about getting back all those concepts that kind of evaporate. But after I did get back, it actually did get more re-stabilized and truly back in my body and in ordinary reality on reflection I realized what a”
2021-07-21 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #523: Dennis McKenna — The Depths of Ayahuasca: 500+ Sessions, Fundamentals, Advanced Topics, Science, Churches, Learnings, Warnings, and Beyond · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“This whole micro dosing fad. I have my doubts about it, but in the case of ayahuasca, I think microdosing might make sense. Not for the hallucinogenic psychedelic effects, but for the things the beta carbolines do for your nervous system. You think of them as kind of a nerve tonic and keeping these serotonin transporter levels.”
2021-07-21 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #523: Dennis McKenna — The Depths of Ayahuasca: 500+ Sessions, Fundamentals, Advanced Topics, Science, Churches, Learnings, Warnings, and Beyond · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Existential situation, whatever it might be. Not all psychedelic experiences, not all ayahuasca experiences are necessarily these peak experiences. And they don't have to be. They can be beneficial and they can help you remember maybe as a more accurate term some of the insights you had from previous experiences. And then I think there's a physiological aspect too, particularly with ayahuasca, like this modulation of the serotonin transporters and so on. And neurogenesis, you mentioned that a lot of practitioners, ayahuasca girls, seem to be unusually sharp and lucid, even though they're maybe of advanced age. And I think that is a reflection of ayahuasca. I think that in general, I am kind of a skeptic about”
2021-07-21 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #523: Dennis McKenna — The Depths of Ayahuasca: 500+ Sessions, Fundamentals, Advanced Topics, Science, Churches, Learnings, Warnings, and Beyond · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“In some ways, ayahuasca and a lot of psychedelics can be a big reset, but then there is the maintenance part of it and the work we did with the UDV and the finding about the modulation of these serotonin transporters is really an eye-opener because what that speaks to is that regular use of ayahuasca can actually repair some of these deficits. In fact, it may be the only drug or medicine that can do that. I think peak experiences can be major reset moments. And I think this is part of the therapeutic profile of a lot of psychedelics. They basically get you out of your default mode network. They get you out of your personal reference frame. They let you look at situations from a slight remove and you have insights to your”
2021-07-21 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #523: Dennis McKenna — The Depths of Ayahuasca: 500+ Sessions, Fundamentals, Advanced Topics, Science, Churches, Learnings, Warnings, and Beyond · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT