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  1. “It's been a great pleasure, and I keep pushing the rock, bro. I hope I haven't talked about myself too much. That's the whole point of the show. What are you talking about?”

    2017-09-04 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 169 - Don Rose · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source

  2. “Try, try to do that. And there is also the possibility, the probability that there will be some legal action against him. Now, whether that is enough to remove him or enough to anger people, That he is a negative force for them.”

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  3. “It's a huge hurdle to overcome, I feel, you know, it's almost Sisyphian. Will we ever get to the top? The rock has moved back halfway. And can we ever get to that top? I think the only light I see is that this guy is so bizarre. And more and more Republicans and more and more people who haven't voted may wake up and we might be able to recapture a house. Because the only other way to remove him involves congressional action. Well, there's also”

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  4. “Well, tragically enough, you know, there's a current saying we've seen this movie before, right? My fear is that this movie is being shown backward. We have been losing ground the Supreme Court gutted the Civil Rights Act, the Voting Rights Act. We have an attorney general who has turned away from the concept of police reform and so on. Now how long this is going to last? I don't know if we were on a regressive path or how long it is going to take the Republican Party. To wake up and see that we've got a serious, seriously mentally defective guy who can Help bomb Korea. It could initiate a war, or he can support the Ku Klux Klan as he virtually did just within recent days. And the only way of dealing with this is when the Republican Party begins to realize that he is a negative force for them.”

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  5. “was an ivy educated guy wore a vest very well spoken and many of us said this guy could be the first black president of the united states well it didn't work out that way for dick but the man who took his”

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  6. “So, what we're talking about here, David, not partially through my biography, but this is also a history of social movements in Chicago, which have been reflected anywhere. We are talking about, there was an old song that Phil Oaks used to sing called Links on a Chain. the time King arrived in Chicago and even before that when we organized a school boycott and we elect an independent here an independent there these were the links and a chain that culminated with the election of Barack Obama. If I can tell just a brief story, in 66 one of the two seats, state senate seats that we won was in Hyde Park and South Shore. There was a white machine guy who was defeated by a fellow named Dick Newhouse.”

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  7. “And the machine workers, the precinct captains, had to go out once these independents started winning primaries, they had to be included in the general because the idea was vote democratic. I mean, in those days you could have a straight Democratic line, punch 10 they used to say, for the Democrats. That began basically the breakdown of, began the breakdown of racial politics, not that it's gone, but that's what made it possible some years later for a fellow named Barack Obama to win, actually win outright wards all over the south and northwest side of Chicago where Harold Washington was getting five percent of the vote and 3% of the vote and suddenly this handsome tall African American guy was getting more votes there than his white opponent.”

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  8. “Right, long forgotten. But Eventually more and more independent African American candidates began winning democratic primaries among them Carol Mosley Braun, which is certainly a name people will.”

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  9. “Well, that eventually broke the entire machine, although we went through five years of bitter, bitter racial conflict in the city council and through the city. The white alderman, with the exception of a couple of independent liberals and one guy who had been a machine guy but was tied to George Dunn, who was liberal in his own way.”

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  10. “There was a struggle going on between my trying to move her into the reform movement with both feet instead of a toe. And J telling her that the city hall is lined with the bones of reformers. J somehow managed to win that struggle. And Jane and I broke quickly.”

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  11. “More than that, actually And yeah, well, my... Calculation that the numbers were there to win came to fruition, as I say, with a little help from the snow”

    2017-09-04 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 169 - Don Rose · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source

  12. “And people ask me what would we have done without the snow I always say we would have come up with another strategy. So what was interesting about?”

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  13. “She was a commissioner of Consumer Affairs correct, and they had first asked me to help in that campaign, and I was reluctant because I thought maybe there might be a more genuine independent progressive such as a Bill Singer who would once run against Mayor. She had been”

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  14. “For the first time, he lost, he carried something like eleven wards, and a white, a very, very white racist alderman named Roman Puchinsky ran But the two of them, I'm a great numbers guy, and the two of them carried 49% of the precincts. In Chicago and my thought was Some day somewhere we're going to find somebody who can merge the white ethnic non hostile or not so hostile element of Chicago with the African American movement. There was relatively few Latinos at the time.”

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  15. “Exactly and little did he know by sending Mikfa out of Hyde Park to Evanston they eventually pick up a radicalized Evanson pick up”

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  16. “He did, and it was certainly in part his own conscience, but he was also abetted by the fact that he had been redistricted somewhat that there was a redistricting which put Hyde Park a more independent progressive community into his district, and that's when I really hooked up with him because we were never quite sure whether whose side he was on, unlike Harold Washington, who, even though he was with the machine, was always at the Civil Rights rallies, always at the Civil Rights fundraising parties, Ralph came late to it, but when he made that break with Daley it was very, very definite.”

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  17. “Well, I was doing a little bit of both all along the way. I was during the sixties during the King period I was helping some of the independent African American candidates for the state Senate and for later for Alderman. So I had been doing a lot of this stuff simultaneously and I just see for one of a better word where the opportunity for progress presented itself, whether it was in a civil rights march, in a campaign for Congress for somebody like Ralph Metcalf, who had broken with the original Mayor Daley, whether it was...”

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  18. “Without that battle, Nixon could have carried some more of those states. So I think the election was not really as close as it seemed. I would say that the friction within the Democratic Party certainly was a contributing factor may have been the contributing factor, but I also think that had Hubert Humphrey come out much earlier against the war. Some of that friction would have abated, so I think the movement probably shares the blame with Hubert Humphrey's reluctance to break with Lyndon Johnson.”

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  19. “I have slowly come to that conclusion. It took me some time. I was never quite sure because you have to remember as close as that election was George Wallace still won several states to third candidate party candidacy”

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  20. “Well, I was not trying to phrase make, but we were on our way to a press conference after the first police meetings, and Rennie Davis was going to hold the press conference, and he said, oh my God, this is horrible. We're looking at some of these people who were really badly beaten. What can we do? I said, tell them the whole world's watching. They can't get away with it again. Well, the whole world was watching, but they did get away with it again.”

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  21. “I would have been either an indicted or unindicted co conspirator except that I was from Chicago, and although I did do some traveling in my organizing they never tracked that, but all the people who were indicted and tried in the conspiracy trial were people who had come to Chicago crossing state lines. And as I say, some of the other”

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  22. “I was an anti-war activist at the same time as I was a civil rights activist. I was a generalized left-wing activist and I was working with a national organization called the National Mobilization Committee to end the war in Vietnam with names that are probably long forgotten now like Rennie Davis and David Dellinger and so on.”

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  23. “And it formed today with a very equal, almost equal distribution of African American, Latino, and white aldermen. It began to change the face of the city council.”

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  24. “Well, the African American communities in those days was considered the plantation, and they used to use the word plantation politics to describe the activities. Well, yes, I may.”

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  25. “Deeply involved. Yeah, well, if I may plug it, there's a book that came out recently called The Chicago Freedom Movement, which is a revaluation of what happened. And I have a chapter on the political history, independent African-American, by this we mean independent Democrats, independent African American officials being elected the year after King left, we elected two independent aldermen and so on.”

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  26. “He energized the movement and I think there's some revaluation to be done. The only permanent institution that came out of the final summit meetings with King and the city and the county and so on were that the real estate agencies would drop their opposition to open housing laws and an institution called the Open Housing Committee for Metropolitan Open Communities was formed which lived on and did more or less on a casework basis place a lot of families into white suburban areas and some white city areas. That was the only institution there but at the same time we were moving politically. And people don't realize but during the King period when he was there and encouraging things, although he didn't speak politically, but he gave a lot of winks and nods, we were able to elect two independent Democratic state senators.”

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  27. “He was hit, and it was on that second March that we got through Armarchette Park, but he was hit by a brick, he was felled. Fortunately, just stunned slightly, but we did make it at that point all the way back to the real estate agency that we had originally planned the vigil. That is what turned the whole movement, the whole king movement, into an open housing movement. It was not the original plan by any means.”

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  28. “Not on the first one, the first march is where we met all these crypto fascist kids standing along there throwing rocks, bottles, and the police abetting them. The worst thing that happened to them was a policeman would take them away in a van and let them go three or four blocks away. We reached Marquette Park, which was on the way to this particular real estate agency and cars were burned. We were met with a huge force. And once again we had to turn back. It was then we planned another one for two days later which is when doctor King would be with us and we got by this time Mayor Daley decided that This was looking so bad. First Mayor Daily decided that this was looking so bad he better have the police protect the marchers instead of side with the national station.”

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  29. “That we left under the circumstances we left. And we said, how do we get this back? We use terms like how do we regain our manhood, which things I can't say now. And I and others say the only way to do it is to march back”

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  30. “The more things change, the more they say the same. It's just, you know, I can just imagine what our president's speech would be about that particular episode. Anyway, we go back to the headquarters and say, you know, how do we recover?”

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  31. “And what people saw on television were civil rights people being herded into a van while the true perpetrators who were menacing them dispersed.”

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  32. “Yeah, what happened was during these testing programs to see who would and would not Help African Americans get housing in white areas. There was a real estate agency in Gage Park on the central west side of southwest side of Chicago. That was the first one we had been able to single out, and we held a vigil in front of the place. There was perhaps fifty or sixty black and white people, and as the evening came, large white crowds gathered around, and it threatened to get very violent. You could see that they had sticks, they had bottles. And before the violence came, neither rabi nor king were with us, but the police cut a deal with Jackson that would let transport all the demonstrators, the vigilers, in a police van back to our headquarters in the south side of Chicago.”

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  33. “Well, actually, it was broader than that initially. We had had a wide-ranging program from economics, job development, which was Operation Breadbasket, which people heard about because Jesse Jackson was the leader of it. And we had a medical wing and several others, and a testing program to see. Who would and would not give African American families housing in neighborhoods that were a mile from the racial borderline, which we used to have lots of in Chicago? Yes. And yet was still economically available to the typical African class.”

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  34. “Exactly. There's even a school named after him now, which is quite wonderful. At one time, he was anathematic city hall, and now there's a high school named after him.”

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  35. “Exactly. His pattern was to merge with local civil rights groups so the Southern Christian Leadership Conference and the CCCO moved together to form the Chicago Freedom Movement just as the SCLC and Birmingham became the Birmingham Freedom Movement. So there was a joint operation between SCLC and CCCO. Al Raby was the co-chair with doctor King and the late”

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  36. “Mayor of Atlanta was more interested in Harlem, but we arranged a four day weekend to show him all of Chicago. We took him to every African American neighborhood in Chicago. We took him to one or two liberal suburbs to help raise money. And he was very impressed with this. He went on to the other cities. By the time they got to Harlem, they found that the civil rights groups were more at war with each other than they were with the man. And he decided clearly to come to Chicago. And during this four-day weekend, three and a half day weekend that we arranged for him is when I got to know him. I was acting as a press secretary for the coordinating council. CCCO, as we called it.”

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  37. “I got to know him. He decided at one point around the end of' sixty four. He had given a big speech in Chicago in'64. But in late 64, early 65, he decided that he wanted to open up a northern front. And he was looking at Chicago. He was looking at Cleveland, Detroit, New York. I think his right-hand man Andy Young, who later became congressman, and I think May of the UN. Yeah.”

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  38. “The impact was not immediate. I thought it sounded wonderful, but I had so many other things on my mind. I mean, I knew it was a great speech. It was what I expected. I think the full impact of it probably didn't hit me till we were on the way back on the train.”

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  39. “Civil rights figure, historical figure, and his son were there, and Tim was a short man, and I remember putting his son Timmy on my shoulders so he could see the White House because Tim was too short.”

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  40. “Yes, sir. Yes. I knew exactly who we was. I had heard him once in person and of course a number of radio and TV speeches. I did not know him at the time. And then we had a march past the White House. I think this came before. I lost the Chicago delegation. Timuel Black, who's still a prominent Chicago.”

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  41. “Well my recollections of it were a very hot day. I lost the Chicago delegation when we got off a train. We'd organized two train loads of people to come to it from Chicago and I was wandering around looking for the Chicago delegation and watching people with their feet in the pond and so on and then Some of the speeches started and I stopped and came Dr. Kings.”

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  42. “Well, I had jobs. I was technically a full-time employer, and I was always slipping away to do this other work in the early mornings, at lunchtimes, and as soon as work was over.”

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  43. “Well, I was doing various things. I was writing for the National Safety Council. I was writing for an industrial sales magazine.”

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  44. “As particularly in Hyde Park, which was a center a lot of civil rights activities, I began joining organizations in sixty, sixty one, sixty two which gave rise to a big civil rights coalition called the Coordinating Council for Community Organizations. And we organized school boycotts, we organized the March on Washington for jobs in the Midwest area for Dr. King.”

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  45. “Anyway, my first quote civil rights activities were trying to write leaflets in the misbegotten notion that if we could only educate those white people that having black families next to them is not a horrible thing and so on and so forth, well of course when we went out there we were treated with more disdain even than some of the African Americans because we were, you know, lovers.”

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  46. “Hispanic, you know, I still think there are probably very few African Americans there, but a lot of Hispanics. And it's the area that gave rise to late and later years to Harold Washington's nemesis, Edward Vodoliac.”

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  47. “From France. From France, the Trumble Park Riots were going on. I don't know if people know about this. There was half a dozen families had moved into a low rise public housing development at the far southeast side of Chicago, the Trumbull Park community, and it was a serious conflagration. There were bombs going on.”

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  48. “In that, so I can literally say that sort of was had strong interracial experiences apart from my nanny from age 11 or 12 on, and it just sort of continued. There were stops. When I came back to Chicago,”

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  49. “Any activity on any left or civil rights activity until forty seven when I was on my way to being 17 years old, I passed out literature for Henry Wallace, the independent progressive.”

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  50. “Poor Azeline, who must have just coming from Chicago, she must have had some bad racial experiences, but I think this was her first, quote, Southern style experience. But it taught me that it was bad for me. Segregation was hurting me. As well as Asline, and so that lesson stuck with me. Somewhere along the line, back in Chicago, I hope I can say the word on the air, you can edit if necessary, somebody referred to her as a nigger. I went to my mother who was not a particularly political person or anything, but she was very Jewish. And I said, So and so called Ezeline a nigger, and she said My mother said Stay away from people like that because if they will say nigger in front of you they'll say Kike behind your back Now those were very formative things at aged ten and eleven, and I didn't have a chance to start exercising”

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