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  1. “I'm afraid of a pretty gloomy episode. But I'd also want to pay tribute to just how impressive the people are who are still trying to push for peace. Gaza. And I think they're completely right to do so. It's all very well for people like me to sit there and point out that it's all impossible under 58 problems. Their response to that is, well, we've got to do something. And at least they're still pushing.”

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  2. “Keep them locked up for their whole lives. And if we're moving into an environment in which the public really wants 100% security, no risk at all, that has huge impacts on many, many things, on basic idea of liberty, freedoms, the amount of surveillance the state puts around you, the way that prison works, the way that sentences work. I mean, everything becomes challenged. And actually, there is a sort of slight echo of that, isn't there, in the conversation about whether one's going to... Try to take the risk of allowing a Palestinian administration to reemerge again in Gaza.”

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  3. “And it also connects to something which is very much about our politics, which is we want to be in a 100% security zero risk environment. And of course, in practice, government is, because of limited resources, because of many things that perpetually making decisions. You know, when I was prisons minister, we were perpetually releasing people from jail who'd done horrendous offenses and taking the risk that they might offend again. couldn't keep them.”

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  4. “You don't really find out until after the event, that's when you get onto their hard drives and into their libraries and the stories start emerging. And I suppose another problem for the state may be that I don't know whether this is true, but. What if there were thousands of young men who have extremely unpleasant violent fantasies and get into Hitler and Genghis Khan? And how does one deal with them? What sort of protections are people suggesting could have been put around him? Are they suggesting he should have been arrested, tailed? I mean, what practically do you do to stop this?”

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  5. “From a public policy point of view, I'm just sort of trying to think about this as somebody who was the minister responsible for not just prison, but sort of probation Trying to manage these kinds of risks. I guess that in the US, the conclusion from many people has been that it's very, very difficult to fully anticipate and stop these things and that the biggest problem in the US is people have access to guns. And that if they didn't have guns, they wouldn't be able to kill so many people. I mean, I agree, it sounds like a lot of things got dropped in this case, but I guess in the US examples, often...”

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  6. “Is this a sort of UK equivalent to these American school shootings? I mean, when you describe him, you know, he's consuming sort of weird propaganda and violence stuff and he's into Hitler and Genghis Khan and he... Threatens people. I mean, it feels like the sort of backstory of these horrible cases that happened so much in the US. I mean, hundreds of them of young men of about that age going in and pulling out their guns and just shooting lots of people.”

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  7. “How that's going to happen, how Hamas is going to allow that to happen, how Israel's going to allow that to happen, or why internationals would want to get involved when either Hamas or Israel can disrupt and upturn the Apple cart at any moment and destroy all the investment they've put in.”

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  8. “Gets them to a very transactional conversation with any other. In that F, and that's a really big if, you then would try to build an administration which was Palestinian-led, with Hamas not in the government, but consenting to what was happening and money coming in, potentially from Saudi and the US and potentially Egypt, Jordan, UAE involved in some of the technocratic bits the administration. And then you moved from the humanitarian assistance into full reconstruction. Now, I'm only saying this because I owe it to the people who are desperately trying to get there. And I think the British government and others would desperately like to get there. Biden and Blinken desperately wanted to go there. Blinken had a whole detailed plan around how this was going to happen. But I'm saying it, of course, sadly, very, very doubtful because I just can't see.”

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  9. “Well, for the people who are close to Netanyahu's government and sympathetic towards it, total rejection. So to get there, you would have to have either a new Israeli president or some people being optimistic say maybe what you get is Trump saying, I can deliver a Saudi Israeli deal. I can guarantee a lot of money and security guarantees for Saudi and Israel. And in return, you will recognize a Palestinian state, right? So there's two ideas, either Netanyahu goes or Trump somehow...”

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  10. “Can I just finish before we go to Southport with a brief? Idea of what optimism could look like because we're often being criticized for not being optimistic Very best case scenario which the world needs to try to move towards if there's any hope of a lasting ceasefire is a technocratic administration led by Palestinians the recognition of a Palestinian state”

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  11. “Liberal democracy into something that will feel more like a Arab state in which four tribes, the Orthodox, the religious Zionists, the liberals, and the Arabs within Israel live in completely separate silos, reading different media with totally different politics, totally different obsessions, and the country Becomes increasingly religious nationalistic and nuclear armed.”

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  12. “State still trying to acknowledge that you probably do ultimately have to work with some parts of Hamas and that there are more moderate parts of Hamas to work with civil servants, for example. Now for the first time are beginning to feel that they're under pressure to leave Israel. It used to be a great sort of shame to leave Israel. Now there's a sense around Netanyahu and Sumatrich and Ben-Gavir and their supporters that they don't want these liberals around a sort of sense of well, if you're not prepared to get involved in this perpetual war you can leave and you see this is the first year where the number of people leaving Israel exceeded the number of people moving to it, 85,000 net external migration and many of those people that Israel doesn't want to be losing and of course another point that an Arab friend of mine made is that the risk is that Israel is going to turn from being a”

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  13. “Yeah, there's a loss of that. There's a loss of you don't know what it's like having people just 15 kilometers from your border who want to wipe you out. I think there's a middle ground, which is people saying, okay, it's probably true that we've discovered that Iran and Hezbollah and the Houthi are less of a threat than we thought. And it's probably true that Hamas isn't actually in any position to conquer Israel. But even if they're able to do these terrorist attacks again, this is completely unacceptable. that both because it's an unbelievably traumatic to the Israeli people and also because of what it means for the Israeli economy and stability. But Israel's response to it, or Netanyahu's response to it, is creating a really toxic political atmosphere where the few remaining Israeli liberal critics of what Netanyahu is doing, the few remaining people still talking about the recognition of a Palestinian.”

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  14. “Partly because if they had elections, they'd worry that Hamas could win the elections. But even if Hamas didn't win the elections, the whole idea of Palestine, the whole idea of a two-state solution now seems impossible to many Israelis because they see it as a threat to their security. And the threat to the security is an interesting one. I was trying to get my head around this because, of course, what happened on October 7th was brutal and horrifying. And of course Hamas has documents committed to the elimination of the State of Israel. But the question I've been trying to focus on is what kind of threat really does Hamas actually pose to the continued existence of Israel? So if Israel improved its borders, it had a very, very bad border security with Gaza.”

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  15. “But at the moment, it feels like a zero-sum game because the Israeli government is basically saying, I think almost explicitly that Israeli security is more important than the rights and the dignity of the Palestinian people. And this push for 100% security effectively leaves no room for risk, no room for autonomy, no room for letting stuff happen in Gaza. And when we think about Reconstruction, usually think about three things. You normally think about governance, economic development and security. So from the Israeli point of view, security must be done by the IDF. Economic development, they will probably choke off an enormous amount of the border and the imports because they'll be worried that some of the things imported into Gaza could be reused to dig tunnels or fire rockets. And on the governance side, they're very unlikely to support any form of Palestinian authority.”

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  16. “This question of whether a deal is possible. And I think one has to keep hoping, and I guess this is presumably the situation that people would have felt that they were in Northern Ireland or South Africa in the 80s. You have to keep hoping and trying to imagine what peace could be.”

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  17. “And the only way this is going to end is with us killing them. The problem is that Israel has so far killed perhaps nineteen thousand Hamas fighters on their own count out of the nearly 50,000 that have been killed. And who knows how that counting works, right? But there are about 300,000, I think, Palestinian males under 18. Part of a conveyor belt that will come through presumably, and many of whom will feel that they need to get involved in resistance. What is the end game? And the endgame for Smotrich and Bengavir feels at the moment like perpetual war. No interest in reconstruction”

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  18. “And their mindset, and I guess this is the really difficult thing here, to get to peace, the Netanyahu government, and in fact the Israeli public and part of the question is, would any Prime Minister make any differences or is the Israeli public in a state where actually any Israeli prime minister would feel that they had to do this? But anyway, the Netanyahu government, with the support of a lot of the Israeli public, has got to the worldview now that Hamas and many, many Palestinians are completely irreconcilable. There's no possibility of peace. There's no possibility of change. You get senior Israelis saying that this is Arab culture, this is their religion, there's no way of negotiating with them. They're saying that this conflict is not like any other conflict in the world. If you raise Northern Ireland or Cyprus, they say, no, no, no, no. Those things could be resolved by interest. This is purely values-based.”

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  19. “But may well come back in again. Very difficult to put a cigarette paper, it seems between them in terms of their ideology. I mean, Hamas, of course, and many Palestinians talk about Palestine must be free from the river to the sea. Smotrich has written a book saying Israel, basically, should occupy an enormous amount of Palestinian territory and is very clear about the fact that he sees Palestinians effectively as a second-class human beings. And Smotrich and Bengavir's deal has been will give you a coalition if you give us war.”

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  20. “So I guess you've put your finger on three things. One of them is the politics around Netanyahu. The second is the question what Hamas is up to. And the third is this question of reconstruction. I mean, on the first, it's very striking how similar Netanyahu is to Trump. Firstly, in his complete elision of the difference between truth, post-truth, non-truth. Secondly, obviously these corruption allegations. Thirdly, his voter base, you know, he's got this very, very strong voter base, which is strangely often composed of younger, poorer Israelis from non-European backgrounds who see the old European Israeli elite as traitors and corrupt, but who are voting for Netanyahu, who is, of course, a representation of that. I mean, that's another sort of Trump echo. And his allies, of course, Smotrich and Bengavir, and Bengavir has resigned.”

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  21. “Whereas on the other side, international observers looking at it think it's almost impossible to imagine anything happening in Gaza without at least some level of consent from Hamas. Hamas may not want to be the government, but Hamas is still an incredibly powerful force on the ground. So if Israel says reconstruction can go ahead, but reconstruction involves continued Israeli military operations and no possible participation of Hamas, then it's almost impossible to imagine anybody Arab Palestinian taking responsibility.”

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  22. “The second condition is the Netanyahu government will demand that there can be zero participation of Hamas and probably no participation of the PLA. We can get on to that later, but that's partly because they don't trust the PLA and the Israeli public. I think the PLA will either fail because they'll be corrupt and useless or they'll succeed, in which case there'll be a stronger Palestinian state, which is something they don't want either.”

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  23. “Government certainly would have two demands, which would be unacceptable in reality. The first demand is that Israel would have total security control of what was happening in Gaza. They want 100% security. They want an absolute guarantee that there can be no return to October 7th. And that means that they want to be able to continue military operations. They're not going to delegate it to anyone else. And that would not be acceptable on the Palestinian side because there's no way that the Palestinians or the Arab states that are often being talked about as coming in doing the reconstruction could be Jordan, Emirates, Egypt, are going to want to be on the ground if Israel is continuing to conduct military operations. And it's going to be very difficult to raise money to reconstruct buildings in Gaza if people think Israel's going to come in and blow them up again.”

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  24. “And the question now is what is the end case? And I guess there are three scenarios. One of them is that it returns to chaos and conflict, so ceasefire deal breaks down, fighting continues almost indefinitely. Second scenario is an Israeli occupation of Gaza, Israel taking responsibility for security, putting IDF troops permanently in on the ground and trying to run and occupy Gaza. And the third scenario, which is the optimistic but probably unlikely scenario, but it's the one that everybody, of course, is trying to push for, is a permanent ceasefire and the reconstruction of Gaza. And there the devil is in the detail on whether you can possibly imagine what that would look like in a way that works for both Israelis and Palestinians. And the problem in a nutshell is that net”

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  25. “Very much publicly demonstrating to the world that Hamas still existed and that they were right out there on television, showing that whatever had happened over the last months of bombing, more than the year of bombing, they were still there”

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  26. “So to remind people of what the deal was, in essence, it's a three-phase deal. Phase one, which started on Sunday, is supposed to be the release of 33 Israeli hostages, a release of a number of Palestinians in exchange, humanitarian access, and a ceasefire. Phase two is then meant to involve the release of all the remaining live hostages, more returns of Palestinians and a permanent ceasefire. And then phase three is supposed to be the return of deceased hostages and the blockade lifted. So this has begun. And on Sunday, there were these very dramatic scenes of the return, amongst others, of Emily, who's a British hostage who returned with two of her fingers, cut off. It was a very dramatic scene, partly because the three hostages were delivered, surrounded by”

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  27. “There's a horrible 1970s joke that my father likes about the brains of the world stealing someone's sandwich box instead of the parachute for jumping out of an airplane. It's the same story, really.”

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  28. “I've been in discussions with a lot of different players because it's a Chatham House Rules Conference. I can't go through the details, the individuals. But we've been right in the middle of talking to Israelis, Americans, Brits about the ceasefire deal. And just a quick reminder on where we are. And maybe just before I get on to that, a quick encouragement to people to listen to the Tom Fletcher interview that we just did on our separate leading feed because Tom, the amazing new appointment of a British diplomat as the UN humanitarian lead worldwide talking about his first few weeks touching on Gaza, yes, but particularly on Sudan, Ukraine and Syria. What was your sense that Tom Fletcher interviewed? And then I'll come back to this.”

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  29. “Really had since the Second World War that it makes sense to try to talk about any kind of global order. He's hunkering down. And he's saying, we've got the oil, we've got the gas, we've got the rare minerals and resources, particularly if we bring in Canada and Greenland to help us. And really, we just put up the walls and we don't need to worry about the rest of the world. We're sort of a planet apart.”

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  30. “Mike Ignacio wrote quite an interesting article in the FT, and we've interviewed him on leading if people want to pick up on him. What he was really focusing on is that there seems to be a hint, more than a hint, that Trump basically is trying to create an empire focused on the Americas. That's why he's talking about Canada as a 51st state. That's why he's talking about the Panama Canal and to some extent, why he's talking about Greenland. And what Michael reads in that, it's not that America is necessarily going to invade Canada, it's more that Trump will do his best to make Canada even more economically dependent on the United States and impose ever more aggressive terms against his neighbors. And that the Trump doctrine feels like he's saying my sphere of influence is the Americas, China's sphere of influence can be its neighbors, Russia's sphere of influence can be Europe. And I'm going to give up on the idea, all the ideas that liberalize”

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  31. “My national interest, look for transactional deals that I can do with Trump, and almost certainly new blocks are going to emerge into the vacuum that he's creating. Back over to you.”

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  32. “and in which China's in a different position in relation to Taiwan, India's in a much more powerful position. And that's where, and that's where I'll finish my long silly lecture, the key things underlying these executive orders show a really fundamental worldview as emerging. It's protectionist, not free trade. It's isolationist instead of trying to get involved in other countries, had a phrase in his second inaugural where he said, instead of America spending unlimited money protecting foreign borders, we're going to protect our own borders. It's absolutely anti-any conversation about climate change or energy transition. And I guess above all, it's pushing the rest of the world to be much more transactional. So if you're Britain or France or Germany or an African country, I mean, let's say you're Uganda, you're looking now to think all I can do is define...”

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  33. “Many of the European leaders are in real trouble. Macron's weak, Schulz is about to go, Trudeau's about to go in Canada. It's gone in Canada. So there's less counterbalance. And then the final thing, I guess, is the conflict, which is that in 17, the Middle East was relatively peaceful. Ukraine was relatively peaceful. We're now in a very, very, very different world in which Russia is advancing in Ukraine, advancing steadily. just before Christmas advancing about 100 meters a day and Ukraine was in trouble, situation where it's very difficult to quite understand how Netanyahu's government is ever going to really allow a proper ceasefire to happen.”

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  34. “Basically, it contradicts him, disrupts, slag him off to his fury. So that won't happen again. The second big change is that the world has changed a lot. So as I think we talked about a couple of weeks ago, when he came in in 2017, he's facing a world in which Emmanuel Macron is about to be elected, Trudeau's in Canada, Merkel is still in in Germany, Theresa May is in Britain, and quite a lot of a relatively kind of centrist world is still in existence. We're now in a very different universe. In the intervening eight years, the US economy has soared ahead of the European economy. It's much more powerful, 50% larger than the European economy.”

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  35. “This time round it's much more radical team compared to Millie, Hesketh, as you've pointed out, is a Fox News star who never achieved senior rank in the military, probably the least qualified defense secretary ever. So that's one big difference. You can no longer do what we tried to do. I remember when he came in because I was a minister in HR McMasters, we all had relationships with. I mean, these were people like me knew from Iraq and Afghanistan and you could appeal to their common sense of NATO and they went out of their way to...”

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  36. “Okay, so from that to the big picture then, so I think the first thing is understanding why Trump in 2025 is very different from Trump coming in in 2017. One big difference is his team. So when he came in last time, he was trying to bring in far more old establishment fingers, so his secretary defense was General Mattis, this great Marine Corps general. He brought in Rex Tillerson, the CEO of the largest company in the world as his secretary of state. He had H.R. McMasters as his national security advisor.”

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  37. “He wakes up at some strange time in the morning, he watches Fox News, he goes on Twitter, he issues some radical statement. He then, during the day, his staff come in and they argue with him, and in some cases they row him back or they don't. And then the next morning he wakes up again and again does something very unpredictable and peculiar, which they then try to row back. What do you think this means for how government works? Would it be like working for someone like that?”

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  38. “A bit. Basically, in order to get the American electric vehicle industry off the ground, Biden had quite generous subsidies for people buying electric cars And Trump has revoked this. But presumably, it'd be interesting, maybe a listener can explain what that means for Musk, who of course is the largest electric vehicle manufacturer in the world, who presumably was benefiting from people getting subsidies to buy electric vehicles. But just on that one for a second, how would you describe this type of person? Because I guess the routine that we had when he was in last time.”

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  39. “Just maybe move for a second to what we're beginning to see about who Trump is and what the world is going to have to deal with. So I guess the first big fact that we've learned about Trump is maybe not a new one, which is that it's very difficult to know when he's going to follow through and what he said he'd do and when he wouldn't. So he had said that he was going to end the Russia-Ukraine war in 24 hours. He's now decided that it's going to take a few months. So that might make you think, oh, well, you don't really need to take too seriously what he says because he'll just flip. But then you look at the executive orders, and many of those are, of course, exactly what he said he'd do. He said he would pardon the January 6th rioters. He said that he would declare an emergency on the border. He said that he'd revoke the electrical vehicle mandate. That is an interesting one, too, that maybe is worth digging into.”

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  40. “A very, very strong trump determination to do this. But the thing I guess I'm getting at slightly long-windedly is that if the democratic system in the United States was functioning, You would trust the legal system and say, well, in the end, this is for the courts, it's for the judges, it's for the jury. It's not for one president to say you're going to jail and another president to say, no, you can't go to jail because I've just issued a pardon. It's not up to presidents who go to jail or shouldn't be.”

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  41. “I've heard. I mean, so Reid Hoffman, who we interviewed, and I think we've got quite a lot of this coming from your friend, the Mooch Front to you, but more your friend than each. You knew him well before me. But he's been pointing out for a long time this list. And obviously Millie, Fauci, Liz Cheney are right there up on the list of the people that Trump's in. And Trump, of course, has repeatedly said that he was going to go after it. And I think in the speech that you watched, there was this amazing thing saying the weaponization of the Justice Department will end, and he's going to get rid of a radical and corrupt establishment. This is Trump's words, which has extracted wealth and power from our citizens.”

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  42. “A preemptive pardon so that Trump can't then come and victim. And some of the Democrats who were pardoned actually challenged this, some of the elected Democrats on the committee said, excuse me, we don't want to be pardoned and we don't approve. Biden's defense of this preemptive pardons is he's saying it's not that he thinks that they'd be put in jail. He wants to save them from the cost of having to defend themselves. But I think certainly many, many people within Biden's entourage do believe that these people could be arrested and could be sent to jail and don't trust the judicial system. And I suspect the reason that Biden is putting the emphasis on the costs is he's trying to re-emphasize how much he thinks they're innocent rather than that he completely believes the justice system under Trump can be relied on.”

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  43. “Exactly. And as we've pointed out, there is basically no equivalent in some are like Britain. I mean, theoretically, there's a royal pattern, and it was used, for example, after his death to pardon Alan Turing, who'd been convicted of... Homosexual offenses The fundamental separation between the legal system and the executive, this kind of rule of law idea that nobody's above the law. Is really under threat here because you had, as you said, Biden pardoning his son. You also had this extraordinary final moment from Biden where he preemptively pardoned General Milly Fauci, Liz Cheney. And this, this, that wasn't really much for precedent for before. He's basically said, I'm going to issue a pardon without knowing what they're charged with”

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  44. “On birthright citizenship, to explain to people. So that means that at the moment in the United States, if you're born in the United States, even if your parent is an illegal, you become an American citizen and he's stopped that now.”

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  45. “What's interesting there is I was following very closely the American reporters, and particularly the New York Times that was writing a live updated blog. The executive orders that they were predicting. That he would sign. And it sounds to me as though they hadn't quite managed to anticipate with all their contacts and all their discussions quite the scale of this because they'd got to the fact that he was going to do something on the southern border to halt a legal entry. They'd got that he was probably going to allow more drilling, but they hadn't quite got The scale of what you're talking about there. So this stuff was he kept this in his back pocket. So he was surprising people, right?”

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  46. “Sorry, just your joke there presumably is that given that he was so upset last time that there wasn't a big enough crowd, almost certainly he decided to manage expectations around the crowd by moving it inside.”

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  47. “So, just explain so when he says in the speech, I'm going to sign an executive, or he then physically does it in front of the audience.”

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  48. “States would be a free sovereign and independent country. Anyway, over to you on the general sense of watching this thing live.”

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  49. “Yeah, so Trump's second inaugural. I'll just quickly run through the headlines of it and then give us your sense of how it works as a speech. He immediately announced on immigration a national emergency on the southern border. On climate, he was going to drill baby drill. On protectionism, he was going to set up external revenue service with big tariffs. And he announced that we're going to be henceforth only two genders. In terms of American foreign policy, he says We're going to be judged not just by the wars we end, but the wars we never get into. So that's a hint of a new philosophy of extreme isolationism. He said that he was going to rename the Gulf of Mexico, the Gulf of America. And he said he was going to take back the Panama Canal, send astronauts to Mars. America was going to be respected again and somewhat, I think, to the surprise of most international listeners. He announced that the United States...”

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  50. “But let's just quickly just summarize for people who didn't have a full chance to watch the inaugural what he said. So firstly, it's presented as, of course, Trump's second inaugural. And that's a great phrase in the United States because the second inaugural of Abraham Lincoln, of FDR, of Woodrow Wilson were these incredible events. I think it's the Abraham Lincoln second inaugural where he does this with malice towards none, with charity for all. Great speech.”

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