YouSaid · the spoken record

Dr. BJ Miller

lines on the record: 46
first: 2023-09-13
most recent: 2023-09-13
sittings or episodes: 1
sources: podcast

Every line below is reproduced as it was said and linked to the record it came from. Nothing here is summarised or generated. Directory · Search · Corrections

“Forgiveness is my favorite muscle in the human body. Really, it really is. It's so potent. The act of forgiveness is really being is the kindest thing we can do to ourselves and others. And it's the way to move on. It clears the path to delight in the time you have while you still have it. So I don't know if that answered your question of what the act of forgiveness is. It is a loving thing to do. I know that much”
2023-09-13 · Oprah's Super Soul · Super Soul Special: Dr. BJ Miller: How to Die · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“So, in my mind, love is like an aquifer. It's ever present all the time. It's there for us if we want to. We just got to get our acting gear to feel it. And let it come through us. But it's everywhere. I would say it's omnipresent.”
2023-09-13 · Oprah's Super Soul · Super Soul Special: Dr. BJ Miller: How to Die · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“When I'm loving somebody, They're receiving it Know what I mean? They need to receive it from really feel that. And I do think one of the cool things about love, I think we all talk about the desire to be loved. I think a lot of us who have animals in our life, we all talk about the unconditional love we receive from them. Gorgeous, no doubt about it. But honestly, I think the bigger lesson is that we're all looking for a safe place to love. It's very safe loving my dog Maisie. She's not going to bite me for loving her. It's harder to love human beings sometimes.”
2023-09-13 · Oprah's Super Soul · Super Soul Special: Dr. BJ Miller: How to Die · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“And to seeing my life as raw material to play with, to make stuff with, that really has helped me a ton, a ton. And then seeing a sort of the generic nature of suffering, we have variations on themes. Mine is particularly dramatic But it's not more or less than yours or anybody else, it's just interestingly different. But seeing variations on themes, seeing the theme rather than the variations is the key, therefore seeing what unites us, therefore seeing what we have in common, keeping my focus on seeing.”
2023-09-13 · Oprah's Super Soul · Super Soul Special: Dr. BJ Miller: How to Die · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I think it was two things. One was Coming to see myself a little bit of remove from just me, not just my body. And that opened the idea that my life, my body, Stuff for discernment, not so much judgment, just differences that I had to play with.”
2023-09-13 · Oprah's Super Soul · Super Soul Special: Dr. BJ Miller: How to Die · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“It very often is a great salve to people in the end. Absolutely, without a doubt. But if there are cracks in their faith, those cracks can open and widen. And I've seen someone who would have considered themselves devout the whole lives and at the very end lose that faith and it's extra hard. It's extra fierce. It's extra terrifying. So I think the lesson is consonance with your faith, with your belief, holding true to your belief, whatever it is, rather than there being an absolute truth per se. It's your consonants with it.”
2023-09-13 · Oprah's Super Soul · Super Soul Special: Dr. BJ Miller: How to Die · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“So I do, yeah. One is like I told you, I love mystery. I love not knowing And that's such a creative space, and so people can apply their own ideas to it. And I watch people do all sorts of apply all sorts of ideas to it. But I do think for me, like empirically, it's just, I don't need to know more than when you put my body in the ground, it's going to decompose and the energy will transfer, and I will become that blade of grass. I will become the ground. I will become the tree. That's the kind of immortality that registers with me. And that's observable. That's just true.”
2023-09-13 · Oprah's Super Soul · Super Soul Special: Dr. BJ Miller: How to Die · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“You don't know what to say, and that's you're sharing the chafe with that person. And that I've seen to be the real salve.”
2023-09-13 · Oprah's Super Soul · Super Soul Special: Dr. BJ Miller: How to Die · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I think there are many opinions on that very question. For my money, there aren't really bona fide, guaranteed words. I'm so sorry. And people will come back. What are you sorry about? I'm like, oh, well, I'm not really sorry. You know, anyway, the point is language is deeply imperfect. To answer your question, one of the things that I think is so potent is in that moment of sharing grief with someone, is witnessing them, sit in that hot stew with someone for a moment like we're talking about that bearing witness.”
2023-09-13 · Oprah's Super Soul · Super Soul Special: Dr. BJ Miller: How to Die · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“By family, by friends, by volunteers, by nurses, by people in the moment who are daring to sit with someone who's in agony, who may smell funny, who's not themselves, you know, the whole thing, dying isn't necessarily so pretty, which is extra potent when someone can sit with you and be with you in that state. It's an amazing thing to offer someone, that presence is an amazing thing to give, and it heals a lot of wounds quickly”
2023-09-13 · Oprah's Super Soul · Super Soul Special: Dr. BJ Miller: How to Die · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“And there's some real truth to that. Like, why didn't I spend so much time with this job I hated? Why did I spend so much time married to that person I didn't really respect? Whatever. And there's some real true true to that. And it all invariably has to do with time and how you spend, how you value your time. But, you know, it's also kind of true here is when you watch the power of just accompanying someone and bearing witness, some of that regret just gets to go away. Because regret too is also unavoidable. I wouldn't make all this exact same decisions now that I've made in my past. The salve is being seen. The salve is being felt and heard and witnessed. That helps the regret fade so nicely. So yeah, I've seen those vicarious, those deathbed regrets, but I've also also watched them just fall by the wayside pretty sweetly.”
2023-09-13 · Oprah's Super Soul · Super Soul Special: Dr. BJ Miller: How to Die · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“And that means checking yourself pretty much on a daily basis. Am I doing what I care about? Am I doing what I love? If I told the people I care about that I love them, etc. These are fundamental things. You check yourself on a daily basis. And by the end of a life, you won't have stockpiled all that many regrets. Regrets a bitch. It's really hard. Loss is hard. You start putting regret and guilt and other things on top of that. It doesn't need to be that hard.”
2023-09-13 · Oprah's Super Soul · Super Soul Special: Dr. BJ Miller: How to Die · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Not necessarily. I won't talk people out of it if that's the way that a lot of people want to go down swinging, that's the phrase. And I'll help them do that. It's not mine to mandate a certain way of dying. I think most of us crave a certain peace. And that peace is accessible. And I guess to answer your question most succinctly, my money, the way we can prepare ourselves to die well is to live well and to live without regret”
2023-09-13 · Oprah's Super Soul · Super Soul Special: Dr. BJ Miller: How to Die · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“So the healthcare system right now is in this reckoning. And so the system needs to switch from this disease-centric, the focus on the disease, to focus on the person, to focusing on what it means to be a human being. Dying doesn't have to be the gnarly hotbed of suffering that I think a lot of us imagine. And some of our anxieties are unnecessary. And many of the people that I help care for, by the time that they actually die, they're really ready to go. They're done. They're done, and that's okay. The hard part is very much for the family living on with it”
2023-09-13 · Oprah's Super Soul · Super Soul Special: Dr. BJ Miller: How to Die · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I believe they are. So, some of this stuff is just Mother Nature at work. But then there's this human element of it how we design the healthcare system, how we design hospitals, because a lot of the suffering you will witness around serious illness or dying is unnecessary. It's the waiting two weeks to hear you get a call from your doctor about a test result when the test result was run within a half an hour. It's your car getting towed because the hospital didn't build enough parking spaces while you're in seeing your mother on her deathbed. In the healthcare system, most importantly The 20th century was designed around diseases. The idea was life's wonderful. Then you get a disease and it sucks. Then you, if you can fix the disease, you get your back self up to wonderful. That was kind of the thinking. But it turns out that illness, suffering, death are way more persistent than that. They're going to come no matter what we do.”
2023-09-13 · Oprah's Super Soul · Super Soul Special: Dr. BJ Miller: How to Die · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Just is. But I must say, too, I've been around folks who I'll be sitting there talking with their family. We're having a conversation and the person dies in the middle of conversation and it's seamless. It's almost gorgeously like the word mundane. They were here, then they're gone. And there's a moment where it's just so matter of fact, as you say, it just is. That's a sort of charm. It's its beauty. And then we start heaping meaning upon it. But in that moment, it's such a profound, stunning moment to see the body finally as a shell and devoid of that person. And in that moment of transition around the body, you're really in touch with the continuum of life that life is proceeding. That individual is gone, but life goes on.”
2023-09-13 · Oprah's Super Soul · Super Soul Special: Dr. BJ Miller: How to Die · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“So, you know, I've been around people who are just about to die, and bodies that have just died. And there is this lingering sense. It's true. There's a feeling that's a palpable... Yeah, there's a lingering. And I don't know if that's in my mind or if that's in the air or if that spirit, one thing I've gotten really, one thing that my injuries helped me with was to not need to know. I didn't need to have control everything. I didn't need to know the answers anymore. I mean, I love not knowing. The answer is unimportant. It's just a sacred and gorgeous moment. And you can feel this. It just is. It just is.”
2023-09-13 · Oprah's Super Soul · Super Soul Special: Dr. BJ Miller: How to Die · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“You see it as the shell that it ever was, but you honor it with flowers and you watch the body walk roll out the house. And that's the final image for the families. Contrast that with the typical hospital death in the ICU with tubes and machines and all this vulgarity and grotesqueness, which is essential to some degree and important. But it can often scar families unnecessarily. The final images can be so barbaric, and that sets you up for very different grieving process than do flower petals.”
2023-09-13 · Oprah's Super Soul · Super Soul Special: Dr. BJ Miller: How to Die · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“It's a flower paddle ceremony. When someone dies And the mortuary guys come to pick up the body and are taking the person's remains out of the house for the last time. Everyone gathers around and they just sprinkle it with flower petals. And some people may sing a song or recite a story that they heard from the person or some shared memory or just silence. But the most beautiful part is just the flower petal and seeing this body that is so clearly done. There's no life left in that body. You see it as a memory. It's this very mundane, amazing feeling.”
2023-09-13 · Oprah's Super Soul · Super Soul Special: Dr. BJ Miller: How to Die · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“So, and another big thrust of this Oprah is what you learn is time is short. So the decisions you make are of consequence. Delaying things that you love or want or seek, not calling grandma, whatever it is. You have no promise of tomorrow. So live your life today. I mean, that's probably the singular best lesson about dying who has to teach living for me”
2023-09-13 · Oprah's Super Soul · Super Soul Special: Dr. BJ Miller: How to Die · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“That's a great question, Oprah. One great lesson is Dying people are still living. It's like to realize it, see it as part of life, and to separate dying from being dead. Dying is these final moments of a life, and therefore a very potent, essential, Really concentrated part of life, but it's part of life. That's the first lesson is, oh, right, dying's part of the deal. And I'm still living when I'm dying. That's a really important lesson. You start realizing that What makes anything precious except that it ends? So dying is what creates preciousness, what gives us the impulse to make meaning because it proves death proves life. I heard that statement once, and that makes sense to me. You know you're alive because you're going to die someday. That's what proves you're alive.”
2023-09-13 · Oprah's Super Soul · Super Soul Special: Dr. BJ Miller: How to Die · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“And it helps, right? I mean, the pigeons, and it's still to this day with my patients, I can get to trust much more quickly than some of my colleagues because one look, no, you know I was in the bed and that helps.”
2023-09-13 · Oprah's Super Soul · Super Soul Special: Dr. BJ Miller: How to Die · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Okay, so studying art, that got me really focused on how to see and the human condition, what it meant to be a human being. That became the subject matter for me, which was obviously therapeutic for me to think about. It made me help me find a new confidence, feel like I had a place in this world. I didn't know what I was going to do for a living. I really had no idea, but I knew I wanted to be of service. I knew I wanted to have fun. I knew I wanted to feel like I had a creative existence. That's all I knew. So then with that was, well, medicine would be a great way. I mean, I could imagine if a doctor looking like me came into my room when I was sitting in the bed, boy, that would have been potent. So that was the impulse. I didn't take any undergraduate premeditation. Doctor, you've got to do your”
2023-09-13 · Oprah's Super Soul · Super Soul Special: Dr. BJ Miller: How to Die · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“You start collecting these little silver linings, and that's how you start reframing the whole thing for yourself and making perspective with it and studying art and learning how to see in this human talent of how to look at something, not so much what you see, but how you see. That helped a ton. But yeah, I was putting into daily practice what we're talking about.”
2023-09-13 · Oprah's Super Soul · Super Soul Special: Dr. BJ Miller: How to Die · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“And I was early on, I had this ruthless sort of, it was just a trick sort of, like, I was looking for silver linings wherever I could find them. And one of my early silver linings was, I used to like, you know, when I'd walk in an ocean, I would be afraid I was going to step on a... So one of my early silver linings just to pull myself forward was oh, well now I don't have to worry about stepping on a stingray. I mean, it was silly. It was literally”
2023-09-13 · Oprah's Super Soul · Super Soul Special: Dr. BJ Miller: How to Die · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“But I have to say to be really clear, Oprah, I mean, it took me a few years to make what we're saying right now. I could say these words pretty quickly. I knew the ideas, but to feel it in my bones and to stop comparing myself to the old self, the old body, that took honestly a few years before I stopped doing that.”
2023-09-13 · Oprah's Super Soul · Super Soul Special: Dr. BJ Miller: How to Die · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Yep. Yeah. Well, and it's a funny thing as we grow up, too. You spend so much time at a young age trying to be like everybody else. And at some point that you shift. You want to be like just nobody else, you know, or at least just like you.”
2023-09-13 · Oprah's Super Soul · Super Soul Special: Dr. BJ Miller: How to Die · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“So I just used that to kind of help us reframe the whole idea that death is inherently horrible. I don't think it is. And most of us, I don't know how you'd answer that question. I know I wouldn't push that button.”
2023-09-13 · Oprah's Super Soul · Super Soul Special: Dr. BJ Miller: How to Die · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“And now I find myself giving talks more often. And one of the things I loved to ask the audience, because I think we absorb this idea that death is bad, death is inherently negative. It's nothing but losing control. It's all negatively framed. But when I ask this question in most audiences, I said, you know, if you could push a button. And live forever Would you push that button? I mean, it's a silly question, depends on the condition. But still, you get the point And I'd say I've asked that question maybe 30 times and of thousands of people by now and maybe 10% of people say they push that button. So that tells me a lot. So death isn't necessarily this ogre that we all don't want anything. Actually, at some point, we kind of welcome it.”
2023-09-13 · Oprah's Super Soul · Super Soul Special: Dr. BJ Miller: How to Die · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“That all means, yeah, yeah, yeah. And it does help to have something to push against, whether it's an injury or perhaps poverty. Not that I can describe that, but something to rail against, to motivate you, to mobilize your energies, to push against. Fight for. To fight for. In a way, I think death gives us that nice bookend, something to shove against, this fulcrum, this pole to bounce off of.”
2023-09-13 · Oprah's Super Soul · Super Soul Special: Dr. BJ Miller: How to Die · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Yeah, of course not. No. And it's, I don't mean to make too much of it, but it's a kind of a quiet suffering that you really can't share with others because you sound ungrateful. But for my money, and this is what helped me understand all this, I think being a human being is just plain hard. And if I think about some of the people I know, some of the most miserable people I know are of great privilege. I think the human conundrum of having an imagination, being able to imagine a world that you don't have one way or another, to have this sense of power to know the questions, but not enough power to know the answers. I mean, however you describe it, being a human being, I think, is a very difficult proposition, period.”
2023-09-13 · Oprah's Super Soul · Super Soul Special: Dr. BJ Miller: How to Die · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Because I didn't have any ownership of my own ordeal, ownership of my suffering. Everyone thought that I had a silver spoon in my mouth. I was given this education. I had so much access. And so I could own nothing. I looked okay. I was a decent athlete. So in a way, I couldn't complain about anything. And yet I had a real misery in me as a human being trying to reconcile themselves on the planet. And now finally I looked a little bit more the part. And in a way, it was a little bit welcome. I don't mean that in a melodramatic way, but I did feel...”
2023-09-13 · Oprah's Super Soul · Super Soul Special: Dr. BJ Miller: How to Die · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Watching her all those years and also being a sort of, you know, I was kind of a hypersensitive kid, maybe because of my experience with my mom watching the planet respond to her. I don't know why, but I was a little on the melancholy bent. And in a way, if I were totally honest I remember the feeling of well now I look like I feel. Now my body fits me in a way.”
2023-09-13 · Oprah's Super Soul · Super Soul Special: Dr. BJ Miller: How to Die · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Yeah, I mean, you know, at some point, you know, the lessons pile up. Beautiful moments, the exchanges with others, the shared vulnerabilities, they stack up pretty quickly. And before you know it, You're honest, the good that's come from it is so potent that I can't regret it. I can't. I would be fooling myself if I regretted this situation. Of course you can't take it back either. I mean, there are other ways to learn these lessons. You don't need to go through that kind of ordeal.”
2023-09-13 · Oprah's Super Soul · Super Soul Special: Dr. BJ Miller: How to Die · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. And that's sort of related. That's a second great lesson being present. I mean, that was just, that's all you have. There's no promise of a future. The past is the past. I mean, it's just empirically true. But now I could feel that truth. It was not a recreational thought. It was a therapeutic thought.”
2023-09-13 · Oprah's Super Soul · Super Soul Special: Dr. BJ Miller: How to Die · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“And I was in that prison like so many of us. And the first thing that this did for me was just make it impossible to compare myself to anyone else for a little while. Like I couldn't be seduced into thinking I should be doing more or otherwise, getting through the day, going to the bathroom was hard enough, you know, whatever, the simplest things. It sort of recalibrated me. And that was the first gift was to at least cease the endless striving, the endless comparing and contrasting myself to others.”
2023-09-13 · Oprah's Super Soul · Super Soul Special: Dr. BJ Miller: How to Die · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I think the first thing it did at that age, you know, here I'm at Princeton. I was caught up in you take these tests to get here and you go there to get there, and it was just sort of this future orientation. Exactly. You got it. And it's a kind of a prison if you're not careful.”
2023-09-13 · Oprah's Super Soul · Super Soul Special: Dr. BJ Miller: How to Die · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Takes a while to get there. Like there were moments even in the hospital where you're like, You can't believe you're alive and you can't believe all this effort going to help you survive and all the human innovation around you helping you live and the devotion. I mean, there were plenty of joyful moments even in the burn unit. Actually, I cried the day I had to leave the burn unit. It had become my home. So your frame of reference gets really Strange and everything's altered. But beauty wasn't out of reach immediately. But until I could really feel it in my bones in a daily way, and that took a couple years, and that was sort of a slow...”
2023-09-13 · Oprah's Super Soul · Super Soul Special: Dr. BJ Miller: How to Die · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“You know, one of the great things about, I never really had the why me. Really not. And that's not a credit to me. That's mostly a credit to my family. My mom, and I grew up with a mother who was disabled. She had polio, and she has post-polio syndrome, so a real progressive illness where she's progressively disabled. And so much of my childhood was spent with her navigating the planet from a wheelchair. And I was very, in my bone, sensitized to disability as an idea, as a construct, as a concept. And I just knew it happened to good people, so there was no part of me that was surprised that this had happened to me. And in a way, I feel so fortunate because I got to sidestep. I watched some of my peers in similar situation have to go through a couple years of like, you know, hating themselves practically, hating their lives.”
2023-09-13 · Oprah's Super Soul · Super Soul Special: Dr. BJ Miller: How to Die · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“And then the catheter line ran out of slack. And so the way a foley catheter works is a little ball that's in your bladder and that keeps it secure. But when you pull on it, it doesn't go anywhere. So that I fell to the floor, and in a second the same reverse happened, I realized, oh, this was all real. This was real. And in that millisecond, it became extremely clear what had happened. Whoa. Yeah, it wasn't. It was intense.”
2023-09-13 · Oprah's Super Soul · Super Soul Special: Dr. BJ Miller: How to Die · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“All right, that was just a dream. Okay, I'm okay. Everything's cool. It takes a little minute. You can kind of feel it happening. So I woke up in the burn unit and had that sensation. I said, oh man, oh, cool. That was just a dream. It was a horrible dream. Everything's cool. Everything was so clearly not cool. I'm in a burning ICU. I'm intubated. I've got lines in my jugular. But somehow I still managed to look at this whole scene and think of it as a dream. So I extubated myself, took the ventilator out, pulled the necklines out because I had the feeling I needed to go to the bathroom. So I did all this stuff, get out of the bed. At that point, I still had the feet. It hadn't been amputated surgically yet. That was the next day. So I get out of bed, stand on my crispy little feet, start heading towards the door to go to the bathroom, still completely clueless.”
2023-09-13 · Oprah's Super Soul · Super Soul Special: Dr. BJ Miller: How to Die · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I kind of like this story, Oprah because it's just a strange feeling. So you know that feeling when you wake up from a dream and it was not a good dream. And there's a moment where you realize you look around and you say, oh.”
2023-09-13 · Oprah's Super Soul · Super Soul Special: Dr. BJ Miller: How to Die · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“So with electricity, you burn from the inside out. It enters your body and then tries to get out and it tends to incinerate where it enters and where it exits. So it entered my arm and then blew down my feet. And as your leg tapers, all that current slows and the energy gathers and at some point your flesh just can't take it. So you burn from the inside out. But I don't remember that night really, except for when they were loading me into the helicopter. I remember being too tall. I was like almost 6'5". Remember they were trying to fumble with my feet of where to put me in this helicopter thing. I vaguely remember that. Then my first memory is about four or five days into it.”
2023-09-13 · Oprah's Super Soul · Super Soul Special: Dr. BJ Miller: How to Die · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“My first memory is about four days into the whole ordeal. Actually, my first member was that night being flown to a burn unit in New Jersey. It was just one burn unit in New Jersey. St. Barnabas.”
2023-09-13 · Oprah's Super Soul · Super Soul Special: Dr. BJ Miller: How to Die · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“You know the wild, so we were walking to the Wah, and it just so happens that our path, there's a commuter train that runs across a path. And it was just sitting there off hours, and it's a ladder on the back, you just climb it like you would a tree or a jungle gym. We really, we really did not think we were getting in anything, particularly nuts. But I happen to be the first one up, the ladder, and I had a metal watch on, and I got close enough to the power lines and the electricity arc to the watch. And that was that”
2023-09-13 · Oprah's Super Soul · Super Soul Special: Dr. BJ Miller: How to Die · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“There were three of us hanging out together that night. It was a Sunday night and had a few beers, but really mostly decided to go get a sandwich and walk to what's called a Wahwah market in New Jersey.”
2023-09-13 · Oprah's Super Soul · Super Soul Special: Dr. BJ Miller: How to Die · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source