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Dr David Unwin

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“He's getting up at four in the morning rummaging through the bin to eat the bread with a detergent on. So then she tries something else and she says this is the only thing that will stop my husband from eating bread if it's there I spray bleach on the bread and leave the can of bleach by the bin so he knows don't even look What I've described to you is addiction. This is an intelligent person, and imagine his self esteem how it was to live like that, concealing what he was doing. And not telling his doctor'cause I'm trying so hard for him for years, and he's so sweet to me now, and he often shakes my hand and gives me a hug. He said, You tried, you really tried. Anyway, my stories have a happy ending always. What I did for him in the end, he needed everything, so low carb. Then I got him using a continuous glucose monitor.”
2026-05-18 · The Diary of a CEO · Fatty Liver Expert: Your Liver Is Filling With Fat Right Now - Dr David Unwin · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“It works for a bit, and he loses some weight, but then he gains the weight again. And this goes on for four years while I see him so regularly every month. What's going on? What's going on? Oh excuses the grandchildren. I've got a holiday Christmas, it goes on. Anyway, then his wife came to see me and she said Dr. Min, I need to level with you. You need to understand what's going on. I find that my husband is getting up at four in the morning and eating bread out of the fridge. What I do now, what I started doing was at the end of every day I put all the bread in the bin if it hasn't been eaten that day. But then I discovered my husband was going in the bin to eat the bread. Then what she does, she's a very formidable woman. She started putting detergent liquid detergent on any bread that goes in the bin. But he still eats it.”
2026-05-18 · The Diary of a CEO · Fatty Liver Expert: Your Liver Is Filling With Fat Right Now - Dr David Unwin · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Unfortunately he needs really serious surgery because both his knees have been so destroyed by his weight that he can hardly walk because he's in real agony. But his type two diabetes is so bad his blood sugar control is so bad the anesthesis won't touch him so he's trapped he can't get the op because his blood sugar is high he can't run his business easily because he can't hardly walk So obviously what we do is we say you need to go low carb.”
2026-05-18 · The Diary of a CEO · Fatty Liver Expert: Your Liver Is Filling With Fat Right Now - Dr David Unwin · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Or I'm tackling her, and then she having such arguments'cause she's defensive and cross. I couldn't understand with an intelligent woman what's going on Then this is only a few years ago she understood for the first time this is addiction. When you have intelligent people Highly, highly intelligent people doing stuff that harms their health repeatedly. Is this not like cigarettes? Is it not like alcohol? That is ultra processed food addiction. And there's a patient I'd like to tell you about that is explains it even more clearly. And this patient has consented for me to tell you because he wants to help the world. So this is a guy who's a very successful guy. He runs, he's a wealthy person with a successful business. He's not stupid. Type 2 diabetes, he's fifty-five, he has type 2 diabetes, he's very much overweight.”
2026-05-18 · The Diary of a CEO · Fatty Liver Expert: Your Liver Is Filling With Fat Right Now - Dr David Unwin · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“And Jen's story is that she actually is an ultra processed food addict, genuinely. And what that means is I didn't understand neither of us understood what that was, even though she's a consultant psychologist. She didn't realize that she was an ultra processed food addict What she saw it as was a weight problem, and all her life she's been boomerang dieting, so she'd be a big woman and then a little woman and a big woman. And I used to watch it all. What's going on? And then there'd be tray bakes. Like she's trying to lose weight and making tray bakes, saying it's for the children and then scoffing a lot herself. So then Because I loved her, and I think Blokes we try and solve problems, don't we? Like Caveman wanted to rescue her. I'm either throwing the food away or”
2026-05-18 · The Diary of a CEO · Fatty Liver Expert: Your Liver Is Filling With Fat Right Now - Dr David Unwin · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Nearly everybody concerned has died now, so I don't know whether I can say or not, but it was very serious, multiple addictions, I will say that. And she died some years ago. And it actually wasn't food addiction. But it brings I've so much sympathy with dealing how hard it is to deal with uncertainty and not be able to, you love somebody and you can't do anything. It's very hard. There are things you can do, I think. If you can engage people in talking about goals, that can help. What we will do now is we'll change that conversation to the current Mrs. Unwind, which is what we laughingly say. This is Jen. So we've been together for 30 years now.”
2026-05-18 · The Diary of a CEO · Fatty Liver Expert: Your Liver Is Filling With Fat Right Now - Dr David Unwin · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Yes, yeah, so my first wife had a very severe addiction problem. So I lived with that for 12 years and she's unfortunately died now. So I lived with very, very serious addiction for twelve years, and what you're doing then is you're living with uncertainty serious uncertainty. You never you cannot say what you'll come home to. You have no idea no idea it brings chaos into your life very, very hard.”
2026-05-18 · The Diary of a CEO · Fatty Liver Expert: Your Liver Is Filling With Fat Right Now - Dr David Unwin · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Because I think in medicine, what we've done, how do you get a doctor's attention? You get a doctor's attention by saying, oh, it's so bad, it's so, so bad. My pain is so bad. And I realized I had trained my patients to think that moaning was how, you know, they got my attention. And if you do that, the result is a very miserable to our surgery. But if you can talk even people having a terrible time have got hope if you can find it. They have goals if you can discuss them. You could have somebody with a drug addiction or what, you know, I see people dying people all sorts. Every clinic I'm seeing sad stuff. But if you can also investigate hopes and good stuff as a doctor I'm so much more energetic, so much more hopeful, I'm having a great time. And I wasn't when I was fifty five. And that's the process.”
2026-05-18 · The Diary of a CEO · Fatty Liver Expert: Your Liver Is Filling With Fat Right Now - Dr David Unwin · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Yes, I do. Because otherwise it's possible to spend a lot of time blaming yourself. You know, and particularly around if we're discussing weight problems and so on, you can spend a lot of time saying I'm to blame or I wish or I shouldn't have that, you know, after Christmas everybody feels like this. But what is much better rather than focusing you're wasting energy if you start thinking about guilt and negative stuff and what Jen's trying to do is getting you to engage In thinking about a better future and what the whole of that five minutes was engaging you in first of all the goal of a better future, then some resources towards your better future, then the first steps towards the better future, and then noticing what's good.”
2026-05-18 · The Diary of a CEO · Fatty Liver Expert: Your Liver Is Filling With Fat Right Now - Dr David Unwin · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“So I think it links into self esteem Really. So, what we've just done, we have the goals G. Then we had your resources. Then we had increments. What things had you done, little things on the way, and then finally I invited you to notice and reflect, and that spells grin, and that's Jen's published grin model. I just did it for you right there, and I could do it faster than that. I do it in nearly every surgery I do. Because what I'm trying to do is find out about you. And you didn't find out much about me in that process, did you? But I found out a lot of really useful stuff to you and it's motivational and much better to do that than me tell you what to do. And I'm not a talking leaflet, but motivation. This is what Jen has taught me is key in everything we do. And the Grin model isn't bad. Clever”
2026-05-18 · The Diary of a CEO · Fatty Liver Expert: Your Liver Is Filling With Fat Right Now - Dr David Unwin · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Yes, yeah, yeah. What do you notice? So if you do, if tomorrow is a really good day, what might you notice at the end of it? Because you've much experience in this now. What would you notice?”
2026-05-18 · The Diary of a CEO · Fatty Liver Expert: Your Liver Is Filling With Fat Right Now - Dr David Unwin · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Brilliant. We're nearly at the end of your degree in psychology. And I'm going to pull it together. The final thing is when things, what would you notice for you when things are going well? What would you notice? So you've done some of these things. What is it you actually notice?”
2026-05-18 · The Diary of a CEO · Fatty Liver Expert: Your Liver Is Filling With Fat Right Now - Dr David Unwin · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Right. Leave it there. That's good. So we did the goal and then we did the next thing. What I just, the next thing is resources. So it's what do you bring to the consultation that you've done in the past, intelligence, resources, friends that will help? You come already with expertise in yourself, so it's not I'm not the expert to tell you what to do. You've already got some stuff. Then we go to the next thing. So if we had your goal at the beginning, which was the fitness and the so-and-so. Today, what might be a small step towards your goal, a realistic small step towards the goals we've already established”
2026-05-18 · The Diary of a CEO · Fatty Liver Expert: Your Liver Is Filling With Fat Right Now - Dr David Unwin · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Yeah, yeah, anything. Anything quickly that you did that worked is a first helped that you did and you remember that work. So tell me anything.”
2026-05-18 · The Diary of a CEO · Fatty Liver Expert: Your Liver Is Filling With Fat Right Now - Dr David Unwin · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“So that let's just refine that so we've I've got your goal. Now so let's park your goal. Now the next thing we've got is in the past, what have you done that's worked towards those goals? So you probably tell me some stuff you've done that's worked.”
2026-05-18 · The Diary of a CEO · Fatty Liver Expert: Your Liver Is Filling With Fat Right Now - Dr David Unwin · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“About my listeners, and I was thinking Yeah. So, do you know what I'd love to do now is tell you something about my wife's work because it relates to changing behavior fast and that she won't mind. So we're back to Jen now, clever woman. She spent two years thinking about CBT and what was what this is a type of therapy and what were the necessary parts of it and what was junk. And she reduced CBT down to something I'll teach you right now. All right, so well, off we go. Off we go So, the first thing is to think about Your health goals to think about what in a year's time, if what you do is great, how does that look specifically? Give you an example, you might think you'd like to lose weight, but that isn't specific enough. I want to know what difference would that make to you. So we'll do it now. So you said you wanted to be in shape”
2026-05-18 · The Diary of a CEO · Fatty Liver Expert: Your Liver Is Filling With Fat Right Now - Dr David Unwin · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“So, you see, that's exactly what I began this meeting with. You've got a clear idea about your preferred future. And it's fairly specific too. And the more specific you are, the more likely you are to be successful. And then you're noticing. Then afterwards comes the feedback.”
2026-05-18 · The Diary of a CEO · Fatty Liver Expert: Your Liver Is Filling With Fat Right Now - Dr David Unwin · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“And then I'd say let's measure whatever parameter we want, which might be blood work or weight or whatever. Then we'd say, how are you doing? Are you happy now? Is it? Or do you want would you like to go a bit lower? And what I've discovered with my patients over thirteen years is they tend to go lower over time because when the experiment, when they go keta what they like is the brain thing And that's right. So I would say to you now, because I'm interested, why would you go keto? What are you after?”
2026-05-18 · The Diary of a CEO · Fatty Liver Expert: Your Liver Is Filling With Fat Right Now - Dr David Unwin · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Wow, that's a big question, isn't it? Don't you think we need to begin with what you want? So I think we need to begin with your goals and hope. Is it, are you wanting to lose weight? Are you wanting to sort out type 2 diabetes? Or, I mean, Georgia E, Dr. Georgie, is a close friend. A nutritional psychiatry is really growing. And Ian Campbell in Edinburgh University is doing some amazing work with bipolar disorder and other things. So why are you doing it? So that's my first thing because I see it as there is a spectrum of carbohydrate that you're on. So I try and find out where are you now? And approximately, where are you now? And then I'd say, well, could you give up bread or reduce it”
2026-05-18 · The Diary of a CEO · Fatty Liver Expert: Your Liver Is Filling With Fat Right Now - Dr David Unwin · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“And I'm the same with buns as well, and all sorts of things that a lifetime of, and they're no longer food. And it feels like a superpower because I'm such a man. In fact, I throw this down as a challenge to men. Are you man enough To resist whatever it is Let's do a challenge. Come back in a week, and tell me you've not had any biscuits. It works. It works.”
2026-05-18 · The Diary of a CEO · Fatty Liver Expert: Your Liver Is Filling With Fat Right Now - Dr David Unwin · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“I've had that. I said, where's the craving? Crack a superpower. Yeah. Honestly, I've had that with Christmas cake. It was my kryptonite. It was the kind of thing. I was sneaking down when they'd all gone to bed and having more. And then one day you can look at it and you think it's not actually food.”
2026-05-18 · The Diary of a CEO · Fatty Liver Expert: Your Liver Is Filling With Fat Right Now - Dr David Unwin · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Great. So isn't that interesting? So I used to have a model which was that if I didn't eat, I was hungry, right? So, if I didn't eat for even twice as long I'd be twice as hungry and it would rise exponentially until I went mad. And what's surprising that you must have found is as you fast, you don't become more hungry, do you?”
2026-05-18 · The Diary of a CEO · Fatty Liver Expert: Your Liver Is Filling With Fat Right Now - Dr David Unwin · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“More sugar that same day, and the next day. And of course, that's what my patients right back in 2013, it was the absence of hunger they found fascinating. And I did because I'd been hungry all my life, because all my life had been... Carb heavy, and I didn't realize that the more carbs you eat, the hungrier you become. I don't know, have you ever tried fasting? I bet you have. Oh.”
2026-05-18 · The Diary of a CEO · Fatty Liver Expert: Your Liver Is Filling With Fat Right Now - Dr David Unwin · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Protein, how much you want, you want to be a muscle kind of guy, so you want your protein. The carbohydrate, well, why do you need that? I'm wondering. And then fats, well, you might need those. For fat-soluble vitamins. So those are the three things so that you become more sophisticated. And if things have a lot of preservatives, if they have an awful lot of ingredients, I'm immediately suspicious.”
2026-05-18 · The Diary of a CEO · Fatty Liver Expert: Your Liver Is Filling With Fat Right Now - Dr David Unwin · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Right, there is an error there. Okay. So that's brilliant. And the fact you're interested and trying... Is great because you'll learn so much more because of course you'll Sugar is one thing, but you must also look at the carbohydrate. Carbohydrate content now. This is done differently in the United States from here. Confusingly. Here we talk about carbohydrate separately from fiber so that in the UK when it says carbohydrate that turns into sugar. In the States you've got the carbohydrate including fiber so it makes it more complicated for you because you need to know which How much of that carbohydrate are you going to absorb? Well, let's go back to the three macronutrients. Should be interested in”
2026-05-18 · The Diary of a CEO · Fatty Liver Expert: Your Liver Is Filling With Fat Right Now - Dr David Unwin · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“If your healthy take lots of exercise sounds good fair enough, if you're beginning to develop a tummy, well maybe not so good, and if you don't know, you can I'm a great one for experimenting, and that's where I come back again to consider buying a continuous glucose monitor. The thing you wear on, I've got one on me now, and it tells my phone how is my blood sugar so I can experiment then. I could try your bread and within an hour I would know.”
2026-05-18 · The Diary of a CEO · Fatty Liver Expert: Your Liver Is Filling With Fat Right Now - Dr David Unwin · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“I mean, what I'd say to people. Again, it depends how much exercise you take, how do you know have you had your fasting insulin measured? Do you know if your insulin resistant or not?”
2026-05-18 · The Diary of a CEO · Fatty Liver Expert: Your Liver Is Filling With Fat Right Now - Dr David Unwin · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“That's a really great, great question. And of course, it depends how well your insulin's working. So if you're young and you take a lot of exercise and your insulin's really good, then maybe brown bread is okay. If you're like me, though, with insulin resistance, it would have to be low-carb bread So I wouldn't normally eat bread under any circumstances, but I might have low carb bread.”
2026-05-18 · The Diary of a CEO · Fatty Liver Expert: Your Liver Is Filling With Fat Right Now - Dr David Unwin · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“That's true, but it doesn't it doesn't include the fact that the wheat that makes the bread will turn into sugar as well. So on my teaspoon of sugar equivalent, even a small slice of brown bread is about three teaspoons of sugar.”
2026-05-18 · The Diary of a CEO · Fatty Liver Expert: Your Liver Is Filling With Fat Right Now - Dr David Unwin · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Exactly. It's no longer holding hands. Perfect. And that is broadly what, and you're not alone because didn't I make that error? Isn't that what the lady in twenty twelve? That's what she was so furious that I was making. So here we are, senior partner of a large practice. forgotten that starch was sugar, and we come full circle because on so many other people they patients say to me doctor Min, I know not to have sugary things I've given up sugar in my tea and coffee, and I don't understand why my blood sugar is so high. People say that very often, and then, of course, we use the teaspoon of sugar equivalents or a continuous glucose monitor to really show them what's going on.”
2026-05-18 · The Diary of a CEO · Fatty Liver Expert: Your Liver Is Filling With Fat Right Now - Dr David Unwin · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Exactly, exactly. I don't know whether when you went to school, was this thing where you chewed bread for ages and then you could see if it became sweet or it turned into sugar? It's a schoolboy experiment that's done a lot to prove. That the amylase, the enzyme in spit, turns starch into sugar. But that's the point. Starch is soon to be sugar.”
2026-05-18 · The Diary of a CEO · Fatty Liver Expert: Your Liver Is Filling With Fat Right Now - Dr David Unwin · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Right, I've got a good way. So we have to think of starchy carbs as actually glucose molecules holding hands. And then digestion comes along and breaks down. They're not holding hands anymore and they become free sugar again.”
2026-05-18 · The Diary of a CEO · Fatty Liver Expert: Your Liver Is Filling With Fat Right Now - Dr David Unwin · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“It is. It is. You have to be so vigilant. And I think to do it successfully, I'm quite interested in the idea of could you eat real food that's not in a packet? It's Russian roulette food out of packets. And yet I understand my patience north of Liverpool. Where are they going to buy the stuff? So I try and help them with... You could do it that way. If you're going to eat stuff out of packets, you have to wise up and you have to look at the carbohydrate content and bear in mind every four grams. Is broadly equivalent to sugar. So if something's got a hundred grams of carbs in it, I've already said carbohydrate varies in how sugary it is, but it gives you an idea it's very sugary, so you see the area you made with the cornflakes is there's no sugar there, but it's all carbohydrate. And it's a very sugary carbohydrate.”
2026-05-18 · The Diary of a CEO · Fatty Liver Expert: Your Liver Is Filling With Fat Right Now - Dr David Unwin · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Yeah, that's great Different ways we can do this, and obviously this is how I spend every clinic. I'm in clinic yesterday. This is what I'm doing. I'm trying to help people understand. It's sometimes easier to talk about what you would eat rather than what you wouldn't eat. So for somebody with insulin resistance or type 2 diabetes, I would tend to say, well, why don't you base your meal on protein? So what have you got in the fridge? Could it be chicken? Could it be eggs? What would it be? So that's your protein. Have loads of it. Then I'm thinking, right, green veg. What green veggies would you tolerate? What green veg could you buy might be frozen beans? Or it might be salad or whatever. And then I'm saying, how would you make that green veg?”
2026-05-18 · The Diary of a CEO · Fatty Liver Expert: Your Liver Is Filling With Fat Right Now - Dr David Unwin · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Yeah, so a whole banana is far too much for me and will double. My blood sugar because you see, if I'm only supposed to have this much and I have that much.”
2026-05-18 · The Diary of a CEO · Fatty Liver Expert: Your Liver Is Filling With Fat Right Now - Dr David Unwin · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“So for me, I've done an awful lot of this. So I monitor my blood sugar with a continuous glucose monitor. And I get my blood sugar up on my phone. So I can check at any time what my blood sugar is and we'll do it in a minute and see. But you see, if I eat a banana, it doubles my blood sugar because I can't regulate my blood sugar.”
2026-05-18 · The Diary of a CEO · Fatty Liver Expert: Your Liver Is Filling With Fat Right Now - Dr David Unwin · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“It's controlled to this extent. And I think that single fact you didn't know that, did you? No, I did not know that. And it immediately shows you how it's so easy to have more sugar than you actually need.”
2026-05-18 · The Diary of a CEO · Fatty Liver Expert: Your Liver Is Filling With Fat Right Now - Dr David Unwin · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“That's all, and I'll do it on Twitter for you, X. I can show you the calculations. So you see, if I have a banana, And I have diabetes there's too much sugar for me. You see, because glucose is number one vital, but number two toxic if you have too much of it, the level of it in my blood is controlled minutely, which is”
2026-05-18 · The Diary of a CEO · Fatty Liver Expert: Your Liver Is Filling With Fat Right Now - Dr David Unwin · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“It's an interesting question, isn't it? Because it relates to the consequences of eating some of these things. So I would just like you to estimate, so if let's say my blood sugar is normal. If you have a normal blood sugar, I would like you to guess how much sugar is there in my entire blood system.”
2026-05-18 · The Diary of a CEO · Fatty Liver Expert: Your Liver Is Filling With Fat Right Now - Dr David Unwin · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Yeah, no, you know, I'm on X or Twitter quite a lot, and that's the kind of thing fills me with rage. And I have to take a photo with my look at the sugar. Yeah, it fills me with rage. I've got another thing. This is fun. I've got a question. Why don't we take all the blood out of me? Right? There'd be five litres we could bleed me out right now, there would be five litres of blood in me. Let's get it in a bucket, all right? Five liters of blood. How much sugar would be in that five litres of blood?”
2026-05-18 · The Diary of a CEO · Fatty Liver Expert: Your Liver Is Filling With Fat Right Now - Dr David Unwin · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“That's so important. So very often people think they're a chockaholic. That's really common that people say to me I'm addicted to chocolate. If you actually look at how much sugar there is in milk chocolate, you know, there's many teaspoons of sugar in milk chocolate. If you eat 90% dark chocolate, there's only about two teaspoons of sugar in a bar. And what you find with the chocolates is I say, well, if you're addicted to chocolate, why don't you get a bigger hit and have the dark chocolate? And they say, oh, I couldn't eat that. It's too bitter. What they're actually addicted to is the sugar. put there at so I've done the raise for the folks at home there is one of these sugar infographics on chocolate on that subject of chocolate because I want people to understand the consequences of what they do”
2026-05-18 · The Diary of a CEO · Fatty Liver Expert: Your Liver Is Filling With Fat Right Now - Dr David Unwin · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Well let's so that there's a lot of sugar in orange juice, a lot of sugar in orange juice Once you take it from the fruit, as it was meant to be and you juice it, the sugar hit is fast. So, what that does is if you think, if we go back to insulin again. So you drink the orange juice, your blood sugar goes up rapidly. So your body responds rapidly with insulin. Then what happens, your blood sugar falls, but then you're kind of hungry again. And that's what happened to me with the biscuits, wasn't it? I ate biscuits. My blood sugar is up, then insulin comes in heavy and slow, but too much then I thought I was having a panic attack because I had low blood sugar. And what's the answer to that? More biscuits, and round you go, round. And that's how without thinking, you'd start the day starting the day with a sugary breakfast.”
2026-05-18 · The Diary of a CEO · Fatty Liver Expert: Your Liver Is Filling With Fat Right Now - Dr David Unwin · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“I thought my work Depends so one, this is 150 grams of boiled rice three, four, five, six. eight nine and ten so that's the winner and I would say that's the single fact around the world so my teaspoon of sugar there we are that's one of my teaspoon of sugar charms so what you've got there is the food Glycemic index, the serving size, and then the teaspoon of sugar there. So this is available. The public health collaboration is a charity I helped set up with doctor Rangan Chatterjee. Ten years ago it's our tenth anniversary tomorrow. These infographics are There are actually far more than this. This is seven more. They're available in 35 languages. Volunteers have translated this to go all over the world. Not copyrighted. I want people to steal it, take it, use it. So the white rice fact.”
2026-05-18 · The Diary of a CEO · Fatty Liver Expert: Your Liver Is Filling With Fat Right Now - Dr David Unwin · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Is that nine? I'm going to leave the rice to last That chocolate bar is actually you could do it for me is seven and a half so you can give it seven seven Now the banana depends on the size and how ripe it is. A ripe banana has more sugar in, as you probably know when you eat it, but that, let's say that banana is quite a right one. It looks quite ripe. Let's say that six because it's a big banana. Then the final one obviously is going to be the killer, isn't it?”
2026-05-18 · The Diary of a CEO · Fatty Liver Expert: Your Liver Is Filling With Fat Right Now - Dr David Unwin · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“No frosting. No milk nothing The potato obvious it depends on its size. That's quite a big one. So that one is one, two, three, four, and there's more. Five, six. They go no”
2026-05-18 · The Diary of a CEO · Fatty Liver Expert: Your Liver Is Filling With Fat Right Now - Dr David Unwin · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“So now I'm going to give you the correct figure. Now, this is worked out from the glycemic load that we already discussed. So I explained about the glycemic load. And then so in clinical practice I had a problem. My problem was in ten minutes trying to explain to you how you could eat differently and why you should eat differently. And so I needed a way of quickly communicating with children, with old people, with a teacher the consequences of dietary choices. So I came up with a new idea, which was why don't we represent the glycemic load? Instead of using Grams of glucose which nobody understands and what glucose anyway. Instead of doing that, we redecaned. Redoing it for gram teaspoons of sugar, and that's my teaspoon of sugar equivalent system, and I'm using that now to give you the correct answer.”
2026-05-18 · The Diary of a CEO · Fatty Liver Expert: Your Liver Is Filling With Fat Right Now - Dr David Unwin · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“So, if you could now just go along these and put beside each food what you believe to be the equivalent in terms of teaspoons of sugar, and then I'll give you a score and see how you do. Those are the answers. So I'm going to turn it down so you don't cheat.”
2026-05-18 · The Diary of a CEO · Fatty Liver Expert: Your Liver Is Filling With Fat Right Now - Dr David Unwin · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Yeah, this is a test for you, and I'll describe it. So, what you've got, you've got. We'll call them their cornflakes. Then you've got a potato, a baked potato. It isn't baked yet, but you could bake it if you want. You've got 150 grams, and this is boiled rice. So it's not dry, it's boiled rice. You've got a very ripe banana. And at the end there, you've got a delicious looking chocolate bar. So you've got there some cubes of sugar and this is the test bit you see as to how I'm going to give you, we'll score you in the end. So what I'd like you to do is consider these relatively And each of those cubes of sugar represents a four gram teaspoon of sugar.”
2026-05-18 · The Diary of a CEO · Fatty Liver Expert: Your Liver Is Filling With Fat Right Now - Dr David Unwin · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Hardly any protein going back then to those where was the protein to grow you know and that that's the thing that that's changed over time that we are the snacking so I come across a lot of young people Their mother is saying, I can't get him to eat any proper food, he just eats snacks all day long, and it's a Not”
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“Which we have some cereals there and then you'll have why don't why don't you have big glass of fresh orange juice as well? Great idea and then okay that's your breakfast but then on the way in you have a little snack and people do they buy a bar or some crisps or something like that and then even at school they might get a muffin mid morning fair enough they might then have an apple Lunchtime, you're going to have some sandwiches and then you've eaten your sandwich. So you'll, I don't know, you might have, might have a cake or something or some ice cream. Then you'll go home and then it's time for maybe your chips or your pizza. What you've actually done is has sugar with your sugar, with your sugar, sugar, sugar, sugar, sugar all day long.”
2026-05-18 · The Diary of a CEO · Fatty Liver Expert: Your Liver Is Filling With Fat Right Now - Dr David Unwin · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT