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Dr. Edith Eva Eger

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  1. I'm Oprah Winfrey, and you've been listening to Super Soul Conversations, the podcast. You can follow Super Soul on Instagram, Twitter, and Facebook. If you haven't yet, go to Apple Podcasts and subscribe, rate, and review this podcast. Join me next week for another Super Soul Conversation. Thank you for listening. We need some help. Own presents an all new series. Each couple here has something in common. Cheating. All of you will be going out on dates with a person you cheated with. Where's my man? We'll find out if you and your partner can work through your obstacles. You just disrespected me. I'm done. And confidently decide to put a ring on it. Three cheating couples, one last chance to commit. Put a ringed on a cheat have. New series premieres Friday, July 31st, 98 Central.

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  2. So, when you say you have forgiven Hitler, you have forgiven the hope that it could have been any different, and you've given yourself permission to go ahead and live.

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  3. Awareness of that. And when there hasn't been that acknowledgement, people rage against it. Rage against it And there's no way there can ever be forgiveness

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  4. And I think you also can't get through it too. It's also what is the central core of divisiveness in race relations in this country. You can't get through it unless there's been an acknowledgement that you've been wrong.

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  5. Yes, I think so many people have been traumatized and don't even know it. But your comment about you can't get to forgiveness without rage

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  6. Invited in, which is the thing most people fear, you know, particularly when you've been traumatized, I think I read where you said, That Auschwitz, you were just about survival, but when you came out, it was even worse because now you have to feel the feelings. That's right.

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  7. But letting yourself actually feel it Yeah, yeah. And so when you started to work through your own pain, when you started to recognize it.

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  8. So the fact that you've now written this book at 90, the truth is when you all read the book, The Choice, which I highly, highly, highly, highly recommend. It took you a lot of years, like in 20 years, you never even spoke of it. You never even spoke of it.

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  9. So you, as a Jewish woman who's experienced Auschwitz, he didn't know it, comes to you and says, I want to kill all the Jews And all the using all the disparaging language to describe all the other ethnicities. You do what?

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  10. That had been one of your dreams, actually, as I recall that you write in the book that Magda would say she wanted revenge, she wanted to kill, you said, I want one day for these German children or German people.

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  11. Yes, and what creates the shame for everyone who's listening to us, what creates the shame is the secret. Is holding the secret, is holding the secret.

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  12. Yeah, well, that's what I got. And all this time, I was thinking, oh, I'm crying about the strawberries. I'm crying because, oh, that was so loving. And I get to see what love is. I'm really crying for the loss.

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  13. And I started to cry watching them. Because I thought, well, that's what love is. That's what a mother does. And it wasn't until I read your book that I realized I wasn't crying about the strawberries. I was crying for the loss that I had that no one had ever done that for me.

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  14. I had this experience that became clarified when I read your story. So let me tell you, one of my dear friends, who's like, I'm the godmother of a young girl who is my best friend's daughter. And when she was a little girl, she was at my house and she was like three years old. And she said to her mother, mom, can I have some strawberries? And her mother said, Ask Antio if you can have the strawberries. I said, sure, you can have the strawberries. And I watched her mother cut the strawberries for her in little tiny, little, and made a little flower and handed them to her to eat. And the delight and joy. That she experienced watching and watching her mother do that, I thought, that's what a mother does. That's what a mother does.

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  15. One of the things I want to emphasize that this book is also about, it's about keeping secrets and what keeping secrets due to us. You say when we force our truths and stories into hiding, secrets can become their own trauma, their own prison. Far from diminishing pain, whatever we deny ourselves, the opportunity to accept becomes as inescapable as brick walls and still bars. When we don't allow ourselves to grieve our losses, wounds and disappointments we are doomed to keep reliving.

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  16. But by the time you had gotten to the death march, which goes on for days and days, but in this moment where you get turned away and you don't, could you feel the hand of God then or did you lose God in the camp?

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  17. Yeah, the way you wrote that, it felt like a scene out of a movie. You're in the cattle car. There are the thousands of bodies squeezed up against each other. And through the slats in the cattle car, he yells, I will never forget your eyes and your hands. And that those words are what you held on to throughout the curiosity.

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  18. Astonishing So you get almost to the top of the stairs where death is a certainty. And I think there are two other women ahead of you. And for some reason, you get turned the other way.

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  19. But you know, we can see now, but you don't know when you're in the midst of it that the hand of God is upon you. I mean, it's very hard to see in a concentration camp. So that moment when you and your sister are on the death march and I think you're walking up the stairs and there are all these stories about what happens to you on the other side of the stairs, people were saying what about those stairs on the other side you get thrown off on the other side you get shot.

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  20. Your expectations, yes. On May 4th, 1945, close to one year after being imprisoned by the Nazis, an American soldier from the 71st Infantry discovered Edith lying beneath a pile of dead bodies with a broken back, typhoid fever, pneumonia, and pleurisy. Edith was barely alive. You, first of all, discovered on a heap of bodies, imagine this, everyone listening to us now, you're basically left for dead. You were just about dead. You had every single possible... Injury

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  21. Those words are going to live with me and everyone who reads this book, who has the privilege of reading your story. It was very freeing for me. And I thought I was already pretty free, but it just reaffirmed for me that no matter what is going on in my life or anyone who is listening or watching us right now, you have the choice. You have the choice

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  22. Well, I think you're doing that. I think this book and the words that you literally somehow were able to pour from your heart, were able to dig into the bowels of your soul and pour these words right straight from your heart.

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  23. It must be you who have worked on your trauma extensively and now help other people to work on their trauma. But I was thinking it must be jarring for you as an American now to see young children at the border being separated from their parents.

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  24. You know, as I read that, I thought I'm sure that happened to many slaves too. Unfortunately, in our culture, we don't have the voices to let us know exactly what happened. And obviously no one is still living who lived through slavery. However, that had to be the case for so many people that you have been, particularly if you've been a slave your entire life, you now don't even know what to do with freedom and what that actually means. Now that surprised me when it came to people who had been victimized by the Holocaust had been survivors of the Holocaust because it hadn't been your whole life. It had just been for you a couple of years

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  25. We'd save her in that moment or would help her in that moment Go back to that quote to survive is to transcend your own needs and commit yourself to someone or something outside yourself. I think that Having Magda there was a part of your will to stay alive and so was hers. Was it not?

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  26. I find it also a poignant moment when after your mother has gone to the left, you and your sister go to the right and you're taken in and your heads are shaved. That's the first thing they do.

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  27. Was everybody that way? Because I would imagine that when you're at your hungriest and you're at your worst, you've been starved and demeaned and demoralized, literally.

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  28. To survive is to transcend your own needs. And commit yourself to someone or something outside yourself. What I loved is that there is a rule of order. Even in the worst of times when people have been starved and beaten and you're watching your loved ones go up and smoke on a daily basis, that you still maintain a moral center.

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  29. Yes. You say in my first weeks at Auschwitz, I learned the rules of survival. If you can steal a piece of bread from the guards, you're a hero.

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  30. No, you know what? I just thought when I read that, that's the reason why it's a story that impacted me so deeply is because a little gesture of kindness that you had made months ago when you were given a loaf of bread and you know that everybody else is starving, you offered some of your bread and that person comes along and says, I'm going to help you because you gave me bread. This is what I love reading and understanding

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  31. Absolutely. Hours after her parents were murdered at Auschwitz in May of 1944, Edith was called upon to dance for Dr. Joseph Bengela. He's the notorious Nazi officer known as the Angel of Death. Was her mother's parting words, Edith says, that gave her the strength to perform. She said to her daughter, just remember, no one can take away from you what you've put in your mind.

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  32. Once you get there, there's this moment I had the privilege of visiting Auschwitz with Ali Visel. And in that moment, when you walk through the gates and you move to the left and you move to the right, and you're in line at the gate

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  33. Do you remember what you were thinking when they loaded you all onto the train? You know, one of the things that struck me so in Ellie Visell's book Night when he talks about Moshe the Beatle who was coming through the town and trying to warn the people of what was happening in other parts of the country and nobody would listen, nobody would listen. So what had you heard and what did you expect when you got on the trains?

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  34. Well, what I think is so important, so valuable about your story is that you take us into the camps, we get to experience your hunger, your pain, your sorrow, your loss, and yet you come out and write the story in order to do exactly what I just said to free other people who are in their own concentration camps in their own mind. So it reminds me so much of Viktor Frankl's book, Man Search for Meaning. Take us back to the day your family is leaving your home and your father is standing there. Looking through the door and the SS guard says to him,

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  35. Yes, so powerful. So your point is that you can choose to live in the world of calling yourself and then defining yourself as a victim or you can step out of that.

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  36. And you say there's no hierarchy in suffering, so your trauma cannot be compared to someone else's trauma. If it's trauma for you, it's trauma and it's real.

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  37. And even you who experienced and survived Auschwitz, who experienced and survived the death march, all of which we'll talk about later, say we choose to be victims, that victimization is something that happens to us, but we choose to be victims.

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  38. Yes. So I love how you began on page nine saying I would love to help you discover how to escape the concentration camp of your own mind. And become the person you were meant to be. I would love to help you experience freedom from the past, freedom from failures and fears, freedom from anger and mistakes, freedom from regret and unresolved grief, and the freedom to enjoy the full rich feast of life. We cannot choose to have a life free of hurt, but we can choose to be free, to escape the past, no matter what befalls us, and to embrace the possible and I invite you to make the choice. Be free

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  39. Fleeing from Allied forces, the Nazis pushed the sisters and thousands of others to the brink of death on a march over 35 miles. On May 4, 1945, their liberation came when they were rescued by American troops. Later, Edith and Magda miraculously reunited with their sister Clara. By 1949, Edith married. She and her husband Bella migrated to the United States, barely speaking English. Together, they raised their three children. Through sheer tenacity and will, she earned her college degree, a master's, and ultimately her PhD, and became a world-renowned psychologist. At 91, she is still, to this day, working with trauma survivors. Your story is astonishing that you actually survived. It's also a guide, I would say, and a roadmap to teach others how to heal from any kind of trauma. Because you took your greatest pain.

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  40. Yes, yes, yes. Born into a Hungarian Jewish family in 1927, Edith Eger's father, Louis, was a tailor. Her mother, Alona, was a homemaker and civil servant. She had two older sisters, Clara, a violin prodigy, and Magda, a noted beauty. At the age of five, Edith began studying ballet, then took up gymnastics. She even trained for the Olympics. Family was living a life full of hope for the future. At 16, Edith's world tragically changed in an instant. Nazi soldiers raided her home, eventually sending the family on a cattle train to Auschwitz. Edith's sister Clara, studying in Budapest, was not captured. Upon arrival at the death camp, Edith's parents were immediately sent to the gas chamber. She never saw them again. Edith and Magda endured grueling conditions while imprisoned at Auschwitz.

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  41. That's right. Let God speak through you. So last year at age 90, you published your first book. Yes. You waited till 90 to do it. Yes, it's beautiful. It's called the choice. Embrace the possible, which has become an international now bestseller. And you're now 91. Yes. And, you know, I said this on National Book Day in O magazine. I think it's impossible to read your story and not to be forever changed by it.

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  42. At age ninety, doctor Eager wrote her first book, The Choice Embrace the Possible. Her powerful message rings true for me. She writes that our painful experiences are not a liability, they are a gift. I am forever changed by her story, and I know you will be too. I'm so excited to be talking to you, even though we did almost like 21 years ago, you were sitting in the audience. Yes, yes, yes.

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  43. I'm Oprah Winfrey. Welcome to Super Soul Conversations, the podcast. I believe that one of the most valuable gifts you can give yourself is time, taking time to be more fully present. Your journey to become more inspired and connected to the deeper world around us starts right now. Today, a transformative conversation on trauma, resilience, and triumph with a remarkable woman who survived the unspeakable horrors of the Holocaust. doctor Edith Eva Eager is a pioneer in the field of psychology, teaching people how to use their pain to help them heal. We first met on the Oprah Show.

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