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Dr. Jen Gunter

lines on the record: 106
first: 2018-08-13
most recent: 2018-08-13
sittings or episodes: 1
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“Bright red hair. Right, r So, what is the goal here? You want to just get people good information, right? Especially because online is where people are now getting a lot of this wellness information. So your goal is what? Because calling attention, this is to someone who's well known is a good way to do it, but there's lots of this stuff that goes on all over.”
2018-08-13 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Dr. Jen Gunter, OB/GYN · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“No, I use my real name. I'm all about honesty. Although at the time my online persona was a red wig because it was my, I do a lot of cosplay with my kids. And I have a son who's a brony. And so I was in my sunset shimmer wig. Okay. So most people only knew me as someone with long Bright red hair. Right, right. So I walked in, I registered under my name, and I stood six feet away from her. And, you know, and yeah, I was unrecognized.”
2018-08-13 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Dr. Jen Gunter, OB/GYN · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Who was a doctor, but nobody, there was no health history. You didn't give any health history on me. I wasn't going to line up and get a shot. I've seen the Stafford wives.”
2018-08-13 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Dr. Jen Gunter, OB/GYN · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“But if you tell someone that you can cure yourself with love, then if you haven't cured yourself, what does that mean about you? Then that assigns fault. It's like the secret. Like, I can't stand that. You know, as a parent of a child who died, that's like really offensive to me. That, you know, so what like my trieder? Yeah. So, you know, it was like that all day. Really lack of any useful information. And then like you could get a vitamin B12 shop from some dude.”
2018-08-13 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Dr. Jen Gunter, OB/GYN · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“You could cure your cancer with your brain. And I went with another physician, and people are scared enough of getting treatment for cancer. Right. And that's why people go and get these IV vitamin therapies instead of chemo. And we do know there's a recent study that shows that people who engage in these complementary medicine approaches with cancer are more likely to die because they're more likely to not get the therapy they need. And so people don't need to hear that they could try the alkaline diet or they could try love, whatever that specifically means.”
2018-08-13 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Dr. Jen Gunter, OB/GYN · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“It's always five o'clock somewhere. Well, yeah, but it was all like that. So, you know, we heard people tell us that death isn't real. Like literally not real. And that when you die, your dead brain can bring you back with love.”
2018-08-13 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Dr. Jen Gunter, OB/GYN · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Yeah, but I eat them in the morning. Sorry to tell you. It's five o'clock somewhere. It's always five o'clock somewhere. It's like an old drinking thing. It's true. So you go to the conference and then the medical thing. Let's focus on the medical thing. So again, I don't care about the Hashmina scarves.”
2018-08-13 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Dr. Jen Gunter, OB/GYN · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Yeah, it doesn't know if it's picked that time or where you live or hemisphere didn't say. Right, so five o'clock Africa.”
2018-08-13 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Dr. Jen Gunter, OB/GYN · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Who was born with an ability to commune with a spirit called spirit, like share, like just goes by one name, spirit. And spirit gives information for Price, I guess. And yeah, and I read his book. And did you know that apricots are best for you after five o'clock?”
2018-08-13 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Dr. Jen Gunter, OB/GYN · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Entertainment, if that's what you, if you want to spend your money on that, that's your choice. But to say people could get information about their health. And, you know, Gwynneth Palter also promotes this guy called the medical medium.”
2018-08-13 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Dr. Jen Gunter, OB/GYN · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Do you like shoes? We're in a room full of. I'm like That's insight from the beyond. You know, do you have a blog? Was your father a poor communicator?”
2018-08-13 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Dr. Jen Gunter, OB/GYN · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Well, it was the fucking carnival because we started with a medium who did cold readings. And we're in a room full of women who could spend $600 plus, right, to go to this. And her leading question, you know, the questions the mediums do to try to like.”
2018-08-13 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Dr. Jen Gunter, OB/GYN · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“I mean, I don't write about fashion. I don't write about makeup. I write about what I know about. So they were going to have, I guess, a regular piece where they told people what they thought, but they just didn't. They just ended with me. And then, yeah, I went to their wellness conference in New York in January. And I can swear here. Yes. Yeah, that was a shit show. Right.”
2018-08-13 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Dr. Jen Gunter, OB/GYN · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“According to this article. So then they kind of continued on their merry way. They had sort of, when they lashed out at me, they said that was going to be stuck.”
2018-08-13 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Dr. Jen Gunter, OB/GYN · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“I responded with my A game and some swearing. And I Right, to swear, yes, it's pretty easy. It's pretty low. It's a low hanging fruit, as they say. And then what happened? So then they're getting a fact checker, right? They had an issue with Conde Nest, according to this article.”
2018-08-13 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Dr. Jen Gunter, OB/GYN · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“I'm like, okay, well, so I responded with my A game and some swearing. And I said, it really doesn't take my A game, maybe my C game”
2018-08-13 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Dr. Jen Gunter, OB/GYN · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Oh, okay. Well, the whole thing, the post where I wrote back responded to Goop initially had swear words in it because her tagline is if you're going to F with me, you better bring your A game.”
2018-08-13 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Dr. Jen Gunter, OB/GYN · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Well, it was the editors. The editors wrote it. I'm sure they fretted over their ionic water cooler about what to say. And it was really, I think, a very poorly written piece. And I was like, well, that's what your editorial board came up with against me and my... Single woman blog. I don't really know what else to say. And you know, they had some male doctor mansplained to me about how I shouldn't swear. I'm like, okay, well, thanks, Dad.”
2018-08-13 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Dr. Jen Gunter, OB/GYN · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Done medical school and a five year surgical residency and a fellowship who's got 20 years plus of experience. I'm appropriately confident. Right, right. And that line really stuck with a lot of women because I had so much feedback from professional women who have so often been put down and told. Right. Like that you don't know what you're talking about. And I just, you know, I was like, I'm appropriately confident. And after that, I just decided, you know, I'm not backing down. I don't care who you are. You can be some big celebrity or whatever that doesn't make you right.”
2018-08-13 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Dr. Jen Gunter, OB/GYN · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“I don't know. Yeah, I'm really, really, there isn't a collusion of lingerie manufacturers trying to get women into bras. Really, I just, whatever. Sometimes you just”
2018-08-13 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Dr. Jen Gunter, OB/GYN · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“I don't know, some three day anti-bloat diet, and it was horrible. And then, you know, and then I started really looking at a lot of bad information, like, you know, scaring people that they're all full of parasites and you should drink raw goat's milk to cure it. And, you know, diseases that don't exist were talked about. And so I would just blog about those on occasion. And then in July of last year, so a year ago, they wrote a post singling me out as being a, you know, as being someone who couldn't possibly know anything about the vagina. Right.”
2018-08-13 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Dr. Jen Gunter, OB/GYN · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Yeah, it's true. It's where you reach people, but I'm like, okay, okay, great. Sure. I mean, you know, anyway, so that was it. And so the JDEG thing went crazy. And then, you know, I tried one of her diets and it gave me gas.”
2018-08-13 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Dr. Jen Gunter, OB/GYN · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“And I'm like, well, no, actually, my knowledge comes from my brain. Thank you. This isn't the mysteries of Avalon. And women should know more about their bodies, not less. Yes. And so I wrote that post probably in about 15 minutes. And that just went nuts. And it was everywhere. And I was in People magazine. And I had.”
2018-08-13 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Dr. Jen Gunter, OB/GYN · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Right, yeah, as wine does. And apparently also this was going to improve your seat of femininity because your feminine knowledge comes from your vagina. Right.”
2018-08-13 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Dr. Jen Gunter, OB/GYN · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“You can, but it's not necessary. It just adds expense. It doesn't add efficacy. And then, of course, you would take the JDAG out and recharge it with the energy of the moon.”
2018-08-13 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Dr. Jen Gunter, OB/GYN · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Well, her idea was to put the egg in and walk around all day with it in, which would lead to inappropriate muscle clenching. And that's not how pelvic weights are meant to be used. And then, of course, when the energy runs, people...”
2018-08-13 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Dr. Jen Gunter, OB/GYN · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Well, my kids know my 15-year-old boys know all about this stuff. So the idea was that you would put a porous rock, a jade egg into your vagina, I guess, try to help you do Kiegel's, but pelvic floor exercises for incontinence, but the problem is the way it was promoted by the Jade Enthusiast was not by a mechanically appropriate.”
2018-08-13 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Dr. Jen Gunter, OB/GYN · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Yeah, it did continue. And so, you know, every, I don't know, couple of months, I might have written a post about Goop. And, you know, I write about them with the same frequency that I write about abortion or vaccines or other important topics. And, you know, I think my tagline's a little bit, you know, come for the sex, stay for the science. And so every time I write a post about something on Goop, you know, I really include a lot of important scientific information. I sort of use it as a launching point.”
2018-08-13 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Dr. Jen Gunter, OB/GYN · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Well, I was a little bit surprised because I've written other things about vaginas before on my blog, obviously, because that's kind of what I write about. But yeah, it took off. And then people just send me stuff. I don't really, I mean, sometimes when I'm bored and it's three in the morning and I can't sleep or something, I might look at Goop. But or I troll Etsy. If you put vagina into Etsy, all kinds of interesting things come up. All right.”
2018-08-13 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Dr. Jen Gunter, OB/GYN · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“A sachet of herbs for it. So that's kind of why I call her the couture. You know, she mentions this trend and obviously not everybody can afford to go to the sheq Gwynneth Paltro salon, but a lot of people might try it at home or do other things just like we all might copy Dior if we see something. So in that way she's like that.”
2018-08-13 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Dr. Jen Gunter, OB/GYN · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“I said, don't. I think I said Gwynneth Paltro says steam your vagina and I'm an OBGYN, don't. Right. And, you know, my fellowship's an infectious diseases, so I know a little bit more about these things than other people. So, yeah, so that really took off. And I didn't realize that, you know, there are all these spas then that started offering V steaming or vaginal steaming. And you can buy a home unit on Amazon. And at my little grocery store at the end of the street, they sell”
2018-08-13 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Dr. Jen Gunter, OB/GYN · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Yeah, someone sent it to me at like six in the morning, and my kids were still sleeping, so I sat down and I wrote something quickly. Right. You know, an hour later was all over the internet.”
2018-08-13 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Dr. Jen Gunter, OB/GYN · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Well, so vaginal steaming is the idea that if you squat over a pot of steaming allergens, because mugwort is a close relative of ragweed, that somehow you can cleanse your womb. I can't stand that word womb. And it doesn't need cleansing. And that plays into so many patriarchal myths about, you know, women being dirty, that menstruation has toxins. And it's so wrong on so many levels. Never mind the fact that your vagina doesn't want oxygen. It's a hypoxic environment. So getting, you know, air up there is actually bad. So all kinds of misinformation. And then what happened from that is all these.”
2018-08-13 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Dr. Jen Gunter, OB/GYN · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Yeah, I know, right? Like a pub. Yeah. Okay Well, somehow Braz obstruct lymphatic flow. And I'm like, well, obviously you've never seen a bra because nobody would wear a bra that type. What are you talking about? To me, it was just ludicrous. And then the one that I think really got people's attention was the vaginal steaming one from a couple of years ago. That was 2016.”
2018-08-13 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Dr. Jen Gunter, OB/GYN · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“I think it was, well, some of them are, the first myth that I wrote about that they promoted was the idea that bras cause breast cancer. Right. Okay. And that's a pretty offensive myth. And I think I had a friend who's had breast cancer, and she sent me the article and I thought, oh, this is terrible. I'm going to write about this. Right. And then the person who wrote the piece for Goop accused me of being in the pocket of big lingerie. I'm like, what does that even mean?”
2018-08-13 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Dr. Jen Gunter, OB/GYN · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Different things. Yeah, I would say as a physician, it's pretty frightening the medical information or the conversations, which I think if you're selling the product, you're pretty much endorsing it. But you know, the idea that people need supplements or that they should be afraid and they sell a lot of medical conspiracy theories or the people that write for them promote a lot of medical conspiracy theories, which in turn are associated with lower vaccination rates and other kinds of problems. And so, you know, I think the problem is that Many people see stuff and just like I did when you're desperate and you buy stuff, that's exactly what happens. And I imagine that they're only branching more and more into wellness because it's selling and making money.”
2018-08-13 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Dr. Jen Gunter, OB/GYN · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Doing more stuff, and there's a lot of Silicon Valley people funding it and things like that. And some of it's pretty interesting. Like it's pretty funny to read, and some people hate read it, and some people, you know, different things.”
2018-08-13 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Dr. Jen Gunter, OB/GYN · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“And so I just, you know, I just kept doing it, and it just kept growing and growing. And then in 2005, and I have a large Twitter following, and people send me crazy articles and they'll say, what do you think about this? And sometimes I'll write about it. And sometimes I want to just kind of depends on what's going on. So I started in 2015 kind of blogging about Goop because I sort of view Goop as sort of the couture of bad health information. Right.”
2018-08-13 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Dr. Jen Gunter, OB/GYN · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“It's so, I'm very not tech savvy and I can use it. So that's probably as good as advertisement as any. So yeah, so I just started blogging about things that interest me like about vaccines or about abortion or different stories that mattered to me.”
2018-08-13 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Dr. Jen Gunter, OB/GYN · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Yeah, sort of women's health, reproductive health. And obviously, you know, especially in the United States, well, really everywhere there's all this misinformation about women's reproductive health that's used politically as well.”
2018-08-13 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Dr. Jen Gunter, OB/GYN · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“But yeah, I started because after my kids were kind of like five or six and they kind of come through everything, and I wrote a book on prematurity and I thought, okay, well, I've contributed back to the prematurity community. And then I thought, well, why don't I try to clean up my little corner of the internet? I really was like knapsack on my back. I'm going to fix this little problem. And, you know. Knapsack?”
2018-08-13 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Dr. Jen Gunter, OB/GYN · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Oh, absolutely. So, I think back in 2015, you know, I've been blogging for, I guess, seven or eight years now. Why did you start?”
2018-08-13 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Dr. Jen Gunter, OB/GYN · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Exactly. But the way the information appears to be now online, I feel like we've moved beyond the age of information into the age of misinformation. And so I'm always trying to focus on how to help people learn to find information online, you know, trying to help them to learn how to be their own medical librarian.”
2018-08-13 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Dr. Jen Gunter, OB/GYN · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“I love when people research things online because I really think people should be empowered. People should have information. But this is just.”
2018-08-13 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Dr. Jen Gunter, OB/GYN · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Right, yeah, yeah, absolutely. You know, what's interesting because I'm always like, and my brother, who's also a doctor, is like, don't go on the internet. Don't Google it. I do call him and ask me questions. And then he'll put me to someone who knows stuff. But it's really interesting, the proclivity of people to do that, including to do that, is probably really problematic as a doctor.”
2018-08-13 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Dr. Jen Gunter, OB/GYN · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“It was It's very hard to search correctly and to learn appropriate internet hygiene. I mean, that's one of the first things I do is whenever people tell me they want to look stuff up online, I'm like, well, you need to go to the National Library of Medicine and do their tutorial about how to research online because they have a great tutorial. But people don't. They just Google and then they go above the fold and then they look at the first two.”
2018-08-13 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Dr. Jen Gunter, OB/GYN · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Absolutely. As opposed to reassurance. I can't tell you how much. I just had an incident of someone I know who was thinking they were dying. It was insane, actually. And when you did look at the stuff online, it was disturbing. It was all pointing. It was not easy to search correctly.”
2018-08-13 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Dr. Jen Gunter, OB/GYN · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Exactly. The online information, and I really feel a lot of the stuff that I read online kind of increased my anxiety about the problem as opposed to reassuring.”
2018-08-13 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Dr. Jen Gunter, OB/GYN · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“And it wasn't the right thing to do. I mean, I was just very distressed though. And what happens is when you're really distressed, doctors keep sort of increasing what they offer you. And sometimes what you really need is just a hand holding. Right, right. And so I got an email from a, I was able to find a colleague who knew a world expert and in distress at three in the morning I emailed, which so I really appreciate how people are online and they're desperate. And the answer I got was, well, if your son's not having any complications, why does he need surgery? Right. And that just simple answer, really, that's what really got my whole wheels turning about why did I have to email 20 people and go through all this.”
2018-08-13 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Dr. Jen Gunter, OB/GYN · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Everybody does this. I'm Dr. Blank. You know what I mean? Yeah. So I had this, my son had terrible gastrosophageal reflex. And so after every feed, he would vomit. Out his nose. And the complicating thing was he was also on oxygen. So I would have to whip off the oxygen tube and suck out his nose, change the oxygen tubing, and get all that done within two minutes after every feed. So that was a really stressful time. And things got so bad. I started asking my doctor about, you know, surgery for reflux.”
2018-08-13 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Dr. Jen Gunter, OB/GYN · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT