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  1. Sometimes we're married to this very rigid healing times that we see on the internet. We're like, okay, how long does it take for an elbow injury to heal? Okay, two to four weeks. And then four weeks go by and you're still in pain and you think something's wrong with you. But oftentimes nothing's wrong with you. You just have different sensitivities to pain in different ways that we deal with it and different healing times. And so just don't rush the process and understand that everyone experiences pain and injuries at a different speed. That's it.

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  2. You avoid that deconditioning loop, because what a lot of people tend to do when they're in pain is they stop moving altogether because they think that that's what they need, but bed rest and immobilization is all outdated. You want to move as much as you can, essentially using pain to optimize your movement. So knowing, so the way that I think about it is kind of like a stoplight, zero to three out of 10 of pain means go. Three to six means warning and over six means definitely don't do that. So use pain to inform your training decisions and the movements that you do. Once you've done all of that, you got to turn off the pain alarm. So for a period of time, it's okay to avoid certain movements, but then you shouldn't be avoiding movements forever. So starting to expose yourself to tolerable ranges of motion, intolerable movements that don't make your pain worse so that you can get back to the movements that you used to do that bring joy to your life. And then understanding the final one is understanding that tissue adaptation takes time.

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  3. Yes, so when you're hurt, these are the six things that you should be doing, any injury. This applies to any injury. The first thing is stop doing what hurts. It seems like common sense ago, but at the same time is something that a lot of people trick themselves into thinking they don't need. So that's definitely always the first step. So take a step back and don't be afraid of taking some time off. You know, you take one step back, two steps forward kind of thing. Don't underestimate isometric exercises or seemingly simple exercises because it's all about delivering positive movement experiences when you're in pain. So it's about finding movements that feel good to you and that don't exacerbate your pain, increasing the amount of aerobic activity that you do. So walking more, moving more in general. There's a saying in PT that's, I think, overstated, but motion is lotion. And that is true. You know, the more that you move, more blood flow goes into your joints, the better it is.

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  4. I think the only thing that I was able to address because we kept getting sidetracked on side stories was the summary of recommendations that you were asking me, like what do you do when you have an injury like step by step? Me to go through that, like quickly.

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  5. A full textbook. We invested in our team. We found new software developers. We did so many good things for the business that I guess we wouldn't have done if everything stayed the same. And it ended up being everything was okay. And I think it's that change of mindset, that change of trying to find the opportunities within what seems like the worst thing that could have ever happened to you. And they're always there. It's just a matter of changing your attitude, your perception of what failure is and finding ways to see the beauty in that failure and what kind of opportunities present on the other side.

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  6. And the opportunities that lied within that. So when it came to sports, I bought a heavy bag and I put it in my garage and that led to Kareem, my new coach reaching out to me and wanting to make me a pro fighter. That opened, you know, the possibility for me to get into a new sport. And then the pandemic closed the door for networking, for example, that was a big part of how I gained exposure. I traveled for podcasts. I lectured. I appeared on YouTube videos. That was a big competitions were canceled. So I initially was really worried about how that was going to impact my ability to continue growing my business and growing my social platform and I guess my personal brand. I doubled down on other things. Like we created a whole series of masterclasses that we're starting to offer. We created like five courses. We finished our coaches certification for hybrid where we're writing a manuscript.

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  7. And that couple that with the pandemic, everything closing off, I felt like my life was just kind of spiraling downwards out of control. I spent a couple of weeks like that, just being feeling pity for myself, feeling really bad about the situation, about the cards that I was dealt, about my back, about potentially not being able to lift again. I didn't know about the livelihood of my business. How is the pandemic going to impact my income and all of these other things that just, you know, created an insurmountable amount of anxiety for me. And I think when that passes, I think it's like just, it's part of the process to go through those a couple weeks or a month. I do believe it's important to give yourself a time cap for how long you're going to feel bad for yourself because otherwise she just ends up stuck in that face for way too long. So I remember just making the conscious decision to stop feeling bad about myself and about my situation and trying to see the positive.

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  8. Massive weight cut. I cut like 20 pounds in a period of like two weeks. I broke some world records and then my back was flared up worse than ever. And it's upsetting. It's frustrating, especially after, you know, I wrote a book about back pain and I'm having a hard time managing it. So I fell into this really deep depression because I felt like my identity was being stripped out of me. My identity as an athlete. My identity as a high-level top performer. My identity as an authority in academia when it comes to back pain, when it comes to injuries, when it comes to strength training. I felt like I didn't know.

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  9. Yeah. Failed relationships, infidelity issues with partners that led me to kind of rediscover myself and change my perceptions on relationships and what kind of things I can do better to be a better partner. Friendships ending, failed friendships, failed relationships with my family, with my dad, that all ended up teaching me a ton. I think that society glorifies happiness. Society glorifies being in a good mood and being happy and being positive and fails to acknowledge the important lessons that happen when you're going through dark periods of time, when you're going through tough times. And so, I mean, those are so important. Look at the beginning of this year when the pandemic first started. I did my last powerlifting competition of this year in February. And my back pain got exacerbated a lot. I did.

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  10. There's many moving to the US on my own starting with a 2.5 GPA, not knowing if I was going to be able to stay in school, not understanding the language, having to take multiple steps back and several classes, retake classes that led me to discover other passions.

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  11. Yeah, so actually, my favorite quote, and this is the only quote I have memories, is each fresh crisis is an opportunity in disguise. And I can't remember where I first read it, but it resonated with me so much because honestly, every single time I've failed at something, it's been the best worst thing that has ever happened to me. It's opened so many doors and so many new opportunities when you look for them, they're there. So I think every single time I've experienced any sort of failure, I've been able to get out of it better than ever. I guess one of the most biggest ones was getting kicked out of school and just having to like reframe how I thought about school and how I studied and my habits and how I organized my study, my training. But aside from that, I mean,

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  12. There's nothing to see here. And meanwhile, my spine professor would be like, you're going to break your back doing all those deadlifts. You know, people thought I was crazy. But yeah, I made it. I didn't fail a single more test for the entire three years. Honestly, the most stressful three years of my life just because I felt like getting kicked out was so imminent. I just felt like I was one slip away from. Being kicked out.

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  13. for the Until I graduated because they just thought I was this rebel, I would get to school more often than not late, probably from training with a barbell in my hand because I would train at noon as well. So I would take the lunch break to train.

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  14. Me. I guess that's how I perform my best when there's a challenge, when people don't believe in me. So he stared at me right in the eye and he goes, Steph, I just think the problem here is that you're not as strong as a student as you think you are. And I think you're going to have to make the decision between becoming a professional athlete or becoming a professional student. But I don't think you're capable of doing both. And I just looked at him in the eyes and I said, Professor Fibert, you know, with all due respect, I appreciate your criticism, but I just, I have to disagree with that statement. I think what happened was a fluke. I think I'm more than capable as a student. I think I'm more than capable to do both things. I just wasn't focused on the right thing. Something happened with that test. I didn't focus enough. Didn't study enough. But I think I'm capable of doing it. And they ended up granting me a second chance. But from there on, that was my first second semester of grad school. And from there on, I just, my professors were all up in my ass, basically.

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  15. Felt like I was, you know, getting kicked out of school. That's big. Anyway, you know, I made an appointment to speak with the head of admissions and to speak with the entire committee of academic review. And they ended up giving me an appointment, giving me an opportunity to appeal given the circumstances. I didn't really know that they were trying to contact me. I just kind of disconnected. I didn't expect to fail a test, I guess. And I sat down in a room with, I guess there were 15 or 20 professors. It was a round table, huge roundtable. And I'm in the middle. And pretty much, you know, I'm just being asked, why do I deserve a second chance? Why they should let me back in? Why do I think I failed? Why am I going to do different? But the question or the statement, I guess, that stood out to me the most was this one professor, his name's Dr. Fibert, which, by the way, I love him now. And I think I love him more because he challenged me.

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  16. And I took my test, I disconnected completely. I went to Canada for Christmas with Hayden, with my fianc ⁇. Didn't think about school at all. Then all of a sudden I get back home, you know, two or three weeks later and there's a pile, a pile of letters from the head of the school, the head administrator of the school. And I'm like, oh my God, this is not good. I opened them up and basically there was the first one that said, hi, you have seven days to submit an appeal. You failed. I think it was evaluation treatments and evaluation class with a 74. You have to submit an appeal in seven days. Otherwise, you're going to be dismissed from the program. And then there was letters like every day after that day saying, you know, we haven't heard from you. We're taking you out of the roster. We're taking you out of the class. We're kicking you out of the program because we didn't hear from you essentially. And that was the most terrifying moment of my life. I just felt like such a loser.

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  17. That was a horrific experience. Let me tell you, so I've never failed a test in my life, even though in college, I wasn't that. Somehow I failed this test of the silliest class ever. You know that class that you think to yourself, this is such an easy test. I don't even have to study. That was the type of class.

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  18. To come back to that So, yeah, I just focused on the task at hand. If there were tests coming up, I would focus all my energy on that and I would train as much as I could, whether it was a 10 minute workout or a 20 minute workout. It didn't matter. And I didn't feel pressured to spend any more time at the gym because I knew that once the midterms or finals were done, I was going to have more time. And then when that was done, I would double down on my training and on my business. I would skip class. I would spend four or five hours at the gym. I would do double sessions when I had the time. So I just basically played it by ear. I did what I had to do when I had to do it. And somehow everything got done.

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  19. They hated me. They thought I was insane. But yeah, you know, that's what I had to do. So when those times would come in, pressure was on, it was time to study. I would just come to terms with accept that training was going to take the back seat and hybrid my business was going to take the back seat for those two weeks while I focused on this one very important thing, which is staying in school, which was more difficult than it sounds because they had a very strict policy where if you got anything less than a 75% on any test, you would get kicked out, which I did.

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  20. Right, so I mean, just for a long time, I tried to be like other people and I just found that it's just not, it wasn't going to work for me. So the way I do things is I focus on the task at hand. So what do I need to do right now to either finish a project or to move in the right direction and I do that? And I used to cycle it based on prioritizing. So for example, while I was in physical therapy school, I knew that there would come weeks of increased workload when I was doing practicals or when I was doing, or there was a thesis or there were midterms or final exams. I knew those times were high stress and I knew that whether I liked it or not, I was going to have to spend extra time inside studying, which is why I actually built a home gym in my living room when I was in PT school in a second floor apartment.

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  21. Terrible advice. And I just felt so frustrated because I didn't feel like I like everyone else. So to a certain extent, I felt like I was an imposter. I'm a lazy, successful person. That's how I would feel. I'm pretending that I have all the habits of all these successful people when in reality I'm not like them. I do things very differently. You know, I don't do well with inflexible schedules. I don't have an agenda that's all color coded and highlighted. I don't have morning ritual. I really don't. I'm more of like a free spirit. I'm a procrastinator. I am unorganized. My mind is all over the place.

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  22. I actually love this question because I have a very non traditional answer. I think a lot of quote unquote high achievers or high performers have this seemingly very well constructed and organized weekly, monthly, yearly schedules where everything's planned. They have like times where they do certain things and times where they don't, times wherever. They seem to be very organized. And for a long time I tried to be that way, you know, read things like the seven habits of highly effective people and the four-hour work week. And I was always.

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  23. Absolutely, and you'll make that poor decision sometimes. For example, I think I made the wrong decision when it came to soccer. The reason why I stopped playing soccer, I think, wasn't the right one. If there's one thing I could change about my past would have been to try harder With socc

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  24. A set of when you're quitting and not being afraid. For those reasons. And I think I read this on, I believe it's the dip by Seth Godin, The Sunk Cost Fallacy. So it's basically when you've invested some time or money into something, it kind of tricks you into not wanting to leave it because perceptually you're like, oh, I've already spent all this time. It's what happened to me in PT school. I think that's one of the reasons why I didn't quit was because I had already invested a year of my life and a year of tuition into that. And I was like, you know, I might as well stay. Obviously, there were other reasons for me to stay and it ended up ended up really positive for me. But that's what keeps people in jobs they hate. That's what keeps people from not taking a risk and starting their own business or not switching sports or careers or friendships or partners.

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  25. Winners never quit, it's just so flawed. It's such a fallacy. And it does such a disservice to people because it discourages people from trying new things because they're afraid that they're not going to like it or they're going to be bad at it or they're afraid to fail. The reality is that it's a good thing. It's a good thing, especially when you quit for the right reason. So what are the right reasons to quitting is when you identify that there's like an upper limit for where you can get. You know, you identify maybe something within yourself that you won't be able to overcome, that you just won't be able to be better than your competition versus quitting for the wrong reasons, which is quitting when you first encounter resistance. You know, that's cowardly because things are going to get tough at some point. You just got to know be very strategic. Again, like.

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  26. An inherent ability, so something that you're born with, like for example, I was born physiologically to have the capability to get stronger. So that's the talent I have. That's something that you can't really teach. And then a passion is something that you're interested in. The funny thing is that when your skills and talents match up, you can start developing a passion for that because everyone likes to be successful. So you can start developing a passion or a love for something that you didn't know you're passionate about just because you're standing out from the crowd. So for me, that sampling period was so important because I was able to find stuff that I was really, really good at, sports that I was really, really good at in a profession that I was really, really good at because I was curious because the way that I think about things was scientific and I was able to excel in those things because I sampled. So the notion that

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  27. I was trying a bunch of different things and quitting a bunch of things. But like I said, it was more strategic than anything. I was just trying to discover myself and what I'm good at. And the way I think about it is there's kind of like in my head how I separated is there's three kind of components to finding something that you're good at. You have your skills, your talents, and your passions. And what you're essentially trying to do is find the best balance of the three. You shouldn't hope to put again all of your eggs in one basket. It's not only about what you're passionate about, which is part of the worst advice that people can give you is do what you love. I couldn't disagree with that more because it's about finding that balance between your skills. So your skills are something that you can work at, that you can, you see progress when you practice it. Your talents...

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  28. So, for the longest time, I spent a long time in this discovery period or sampling period where I would get into something, I would try it for sometimes for a long time, sometimes for a short time, and then I would quit and move on to the next thing. But it was strategic quitting. I just, I didn't know it at the time. And the person I was dating at the time, my ex-boyfriend, he one time, I remember I got a specialized bike because I wanted to get into triathlons. And he criticized that a lot. He said, Steph, why are you investing so much money into a bike when everything you try, you quit almost immediately. You're a quitter. And that was shocking to me, especially coming from someone so close. And I just didn't, I didn't identify myself as a quitter. I would feel like it was the complete opposite. You know, I'm resilient. I'm persistent. I'm consistent. I'm not a quitter, but I was, right? Like within the classical definition of quitting.

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  29. I love telling this story. When I was in college and I stopped playing soccer, I was kind of like on this quest to rediscovering myself and finding what the next thing was going to be. Same as far as what profession I wanted to get into. You were thrown in college and you're expected to know what you want to study. That's crazy. I think there's only a handful of people that know with absolute certainty what they want to be when they grow up. You know, it's like you're plastic surgeons. Like those kids were playing with surgical kids when they were three and just know that that's what they love and that's what they're passionate about or have been conditioned to think that that's what they want. Either way, that wasn't my case. I had a very vague idea of where I wanted to be. I know I wanted to be a public figure. I knew I wanted to lecture. I knew I wanted to write a book. I knew I wanted to be a professional athlete, but I wasn't necessarily attached to anyone route or anyone path.

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  30. A violin player gets a paper cut on their finger that they use to press on those strings and their response to pain and their association with that injury is going to be completely different to yours. Because within the context and within his profession, that means a lot more to that person. So it's important going back to Greg, he places a lot of importance on those conversations. Like what does an injury mean to you in the context of your life?

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  31. Right. So it's about giving the power to the patient and it should be about patient self-reliance, about them building a sense of autonomy and self-efficacy as early as possible instead of having them be overly reliant on you as a therapist. So most of my sessions were an hour, an hour and a half long and they were long discussions about a lot of things because there's a lot of things that affect your perception of pain like we were saying. So stress, my environment, my coping strategies, perceptions on movements and all of these things. Like a great example is, for example, if you have a paper cut on your finger, like how much importance are you going to place on that you personally? But you probably put a band-aid on and move on and not think about it until it heals. And then the bandaid falls off and then you're fine.

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  32. Very rarely puts his hands on anyone because he's been his whole thing is how can you deliver or how can you place the power on the patient instead of positioning yourself as a guru, as like someone that people

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  33. So he's, I think the first degree he got was in chiropractic. So he went through school, studied, get his chiropractic degree. Then he went on to studying, getting a doctorate in biomechanics. And then he went back to physical therapy school. So he's done in terms of breadth of experience and knowledge in different camps of thought, he has it all, right? He has the perspective as a cairo. He has a perspective as a scientist, conducts research in biomechanics and understands the physics of the body, and then physical therapy, which is more of a science of movement. So, I mean, his lectures are absolutely amazing. He's able to incorporate a little bit of everything into the way that he treats and has a really interesting perspective. I've actually had a few sessions with him. They're all done over Zoom. I think he very rarely practices in person.

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  34. So shocked because I used to look up to him, right? He was a mentor, he was a supervisor, he was an instructor, and the fact that that was his answer and coupled with just the experience I had with my back pain and the lack of consistency and responses just made it so evident that that school wasn't doing what it was supposed to do for people, that we were going into a practical field with no practical knowledge, essentially. We have a bunch of knowledge that is only useful for one thing, and that's to pass the licensure test. So that's why I didn't go that route.

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  35. Something that made no sense. Or like three positives, one negative that didn't make sense with any diagnosis that I had studied in my book. And I excused myself for a second for the patient. I said, hey, I'll be right back. Go outside. I talked to my instructor, my supervisor, and I say, hey, man, you know, I did all these special tests. Nothing makes sense. I don't know what's wrong with this person's shoulder. And he just says, well, make something up. Just give him a diagnosis, any. And I was just

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  36. Like within school with my professors. And then when it came to practice, when I went on to my first clinical rotation and was inexperienced a little bit of what the general field of physical therapy is like, it just wasn't what I thought it was going to be. You know, when you're in a big clinic, you're expected to see at least two patients at a time. I didn't feel like patients were receiving the best service or the best care at all because you're so all over the place having to do your notes and all of this. And I remember this one experience I had with my first evaluation that I ever did. I was in the room, my patient, and I do everything by the book, right? So you have this steps, ABCDE, steps that you have to do when you're taking a history and you're doing your exam, you're doing your evaluation, you're doing your follow-up questions, then you're doing your special tests, and then you give a diagnosis. So I went through all of it perfectly, did my special tests, and got

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  37. That most of the information that was being thrown at us was extremely outdated and pretty much the purpose of all of it was one, to test your commitment to the profession, like to test how bad you wanted it. You know, you're taking, I don't know, something ridiculous like six to eight classes a semester and there's just so much information that I didn't find applicable at all and it was just so outdated and professors were so resistant to challenges. You know, I'd be that person sitting in the back row raising my hand and challenging something that the professors said factually or with a lot of confidence and they wouldn't like that. They don't like when they're being questioned. They don't like when there's a student that doesn't believe what they're saying and asks things that they don't know how to answer. So there was a lot of resistance there.

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  38. Get into. I want to make sure that I'm giving it my best effort. So if being in fitness, if being in strength and conditioning was my goal, if I wanted to be a trainer or whatever it was, the highest kind of degree or highest level of learning that I could do was a doctorate level degree. Physical therapy seemed like it would give me the tools to be the best trainer, the best coach, the best athlete that I could be. So that was part of the reason. Now when I was in my first year of grad school, I started my own business. But hold on, before I go there. So first year of grad school, I had already gone through one of my clinical rotations. And honestly, like I just was having such a, I had not a great experience in grad school mainly because of how mainly because of the system, right? Like I felt like, or not I felt, I knew because I was able to prove.

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  39. So initially, I come from a family that values high-level education a lot, a family of lawyers and doctors. And I think that from a very early age, I guess I started associating the word success with a high degree, like a high level of education, either going to a medical school or at least, at the very least, getting a doctorate or a master's or something like that. So part of it, I think, was just pressure from my family initially. And I guess personally, it's something that I also value, like the prestige of being able to say that you graduate from a top school and that you were able to complete a program that only, you know, 1% or less of the population gets into, that to me all sounded amazing. And I love a challenge. So that was part of the reason. And the next part was anything that I

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  40. And I forgot it immediately after. I sorry, my brain is just wired a little bit different, man. It really is. I'm a lot better at like critical thinking. I'm a lot better at just like understanding a concept as a whole and then giving it my own twist and applying it to like real life situations. So when it comes to like hardcore memorization, like, for example, memorizing exact ranges of motion of each joint or developmental stages and children, I'm not good at that. Like I couldn't tell you a single thing about any of that.

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  41. The premise of the whole story is about how you manage your mind within your training, within your journey to Stay positive and to continue doing what you love doing despite obstacles. That's the premise of the book. I wouldn't be able to tell you details, but it really changed the way that I approached my training and the way I perceived ups and downs.

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  42. Winning in mind by Carol Dweck, I believe, or no, no, it's not Carol Dweck. Don't quote me. Like I said, I don't memorize things.

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  43. Yeah, then I have with winning in mind, I've pretty much gifted that one to any high-level athlete that I've been able to befriend. So I think it's just such a powerful lesson. I read it a long time ago, but it's a really amazing read. And then extreme ownership by Jocko.

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  44. Nothing happened. And I started doing that, and honestly, my training started going so much better once I was able to let go of my disappointment on a particular session. And once I stopped generalizing a bad outcome in a session to, you know, my entire block, or I stopped thinking, overly thinking about what that meant in terms of who I am as an atheater, as a person.

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  45. Things. You know, we all go through days or weeks or months or years where we are completely unmotivated and we don't want to do a certain thing. So working on how to stay positive when things don't go your way, when training sucks, when you don't make progress, when you fail reps every session, when you feel like absolute crap, when 50% feels like 110%, how do you stay positive and how do you able to show up to the gym the next day without bringing that baggage from the previous session onto your next session? And a story that really resonated with me was, and I forgot where I read this, what book it was, but it was about a professional golfer that he would literally not admit to himself or the media or anyone that he had lost a game. He would just totally erase that fact from his memory and just continue on as a

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  46. We worked a lot on especially being someone that's so open on social media. I felt like a lot of the pressure that I was feeling was imparted on me by just externally. But it's made up in my mind, right? It's like I felt like everyone was expecting something from me. So I guess it was just circling back at what my why is. Why am I doing what I'm doing? What am I trying to prove? Is it for myself? Is it for other people? And just always trying to circle back and remember why I started this journey and what does it mean to me yeah and another thing i guess was working on staying positive when you encounter bad training days because you know a lot of people see your instagram or your your youtube videos your training and they think that you never have bad days that you have some superhuman willpower and motivation the reality is that it's we we all experience the same

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  47. Yeah, so I actually ended up going up in weight, even though I had missed my first two attempts just because I was that sure that I could do it. Like I just, I knew it. I'd been there before in my mind. So I went up and weight and I ended up making it.

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  48. Three shots, yeah. But same thing, I was totally calm, collected. I just didn't, again, I didn't, my perception of that failure was completely different. I just thought of it as part of the game, as something that happens that doesn't mean anything about my strength levels. It doesn't mean anything about my abilities as an athlete. But what does determine what my abilities as an athlete are how can I respond to unfortunate situations during training? How fast can I pivot? How fast can I adapt to the competition standards? Because judges are different every time. Bars are different. Platforms are different. So the better athlete is the one that can adjust to those changes in competition standards the fastest. And so that's what I did.

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  49. Exactly that I know what to do, that I trusted my capabilities that I was prepared, that I had trained really well, that I was feeling strong. I just kept repeating that to myself, that it was just a fluke, you know, that I'm going to go back in there, back up there and I'm going to crush the second attempt. What's funny is I went up for the second attempt and got writ lighted again. So at that time, I mean, I was pretty much reliving my experience from the previous year that US

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  50. You know, previously, I would have reacted to that very upset. I would have blamed them for not seeing the right thing or whatever. And I mean, I just totally brushed it off. Like I was, I felt like I had been there a million times. And, you know, and my fianc ⁇ was there. He's like all worried about how I'm going to react because in previous situations, I would have been very upset and it would have thrown me completely off my game. And instead, I just kind of laughed it off and was like, I've been here before, I know exactly what to do. Don't worry.

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