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  1. Happening now there, that's when you can be a good listener and open up to them and hear what they're saying and see like, oh share, are they asking me for it? Is this them asking for help? And even if you're like, I don't know what to do, you know, at least you can start checking in on them, you know, start like help them understand that you're there for them and then hopefully get them into therapy, get them to a doctor, get them to a professional who can like see what's going on there so that, and then there's hope. And even then there might not be hope, actually. You know, doctors can't stop it. There's no, sometimes it just, that's the way it goes. But, you know, I know that like being sensitive, if somebody's like, all of a sudden hitting you up or reaching out to you that normally isn't like that and just what's going on. How are you? And just listen.

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  2. Even though it might, especially if it's someone who's like doesn't talk like this a lot of the time and sentences start coming out of their mouth, that if you weren't really paying attention might not seem like a big deal. But for this person, it's kind of anomalous that all of a sudden.

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  3. Yep. So you. Number one, we're talking about a progressive disease that can lead to death. And if somebody commits suicide, they wanted to commit suicide. And at least what I've been told is you can't stop it. If it's going to happen, it's going to happen. There are no magic words. There's nothing you could do. So, you know, people who've lost people to suicide, you know I'm talking about. Like, you know, you can watch it happen in real time, and there's nothing you could do. That being said, you know, being responsive to when it seems like someone's really reaching out for help and knowing that maybe

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  4. Okay, now this is really like. Man, it's really dark. Here's number one. This is what somebody told me when I lost a friend of suicide, you know, because when you lose a friend of suicide, when you lose a loved one to suicide, you're going to blame yourself. It's like in the periphery of suicide, there is a circumference of guilty people who all feel like, oh, if only I'd said this at the right time, if only I'd listened more, if only I'd seen that warning sign or if only this or that. It's interesting in that with other forms of like disease, you know, if your loved one dies from cancer, say, more than likely you're not going to be thinking like, oh, I should have cured their cancer, you know, like it's a tragedy, but at least you're not like, oh, if only I had, you still might think that's part of grief.

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  5. Exactly. It's a survival issue. And it's a survival issue. It's just, I think because it's kind of so slow moving, you might even forget it's progressive. You could easily just think that you're just a kind of bummed out person or you start thinking that these aspects of your psychology are permanent when they don't have to be.

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  6. Starts coming on, but you're like, this headache might last for years, it might last for six months, it might get worse and worse and worse. And so I went back to the hotel room and it was just gone. Like I just felt normal. I felt great. It was like the most remarkable thing ever. So, you know, look at the research on ketamine right now. It's like it's not like bullshit. It's not like woo-woo science. There's really, really good data out there showing that something like, I think it's 60%. I don't know what the percentage is, but 60% of people with. An endogenous depression when they get ketamine therapy will experience remission regardless of whether you trip out or not. It does something that I don't know if they know what it is yet. I don't care if they do.

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  7. You suffer from depression out there and you've had a remission of the depression, you know it's really like it's scary to have mental illness because Everyone gets bummed out. I mean, that's just normal. Like, you're going to get bummed out. I want to do anything sometimes. It doesn't mean you have a clinical depression. You might just be bummed out or grieving. You might be any number of things. But when I get really nervous, if some of those symptoms start showing up, at one point I felt like that was happening again. And I did intermuscular ketamine therapy, which Now that was the damnedest thing I've ever experienced aside from the fact that ketamine is immensely psychedelic. I just remember going back to the hotel after the experience. A clinician, and I'm Like, you know, it's like with depression, it's like a headache.

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  8. You know, even with all the current research coming out about that maybe we were all wrong about our understanding of depression, I do feel like it helped in a certain way. Like it definitely helped. It definitely made me stop thinking about it, stopped the intrusive thoughts. But I don't know how much of that was placebo or how much of that. I don't know. But then also, like, I couldn't come anymore. That was the other fucked up thing. Like, you can't have orgasms, which might not sound like a big deal. But when I told my therapist that they actually took me off them, because I think she was realizing that it started diminishing a little bit. The one I'm talking about now, that whatever episode or whatever you want to call it, I just got lucky because it worked. It worked and I started feeling better. Thank God.

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  9. I know what you're thinking. How am I going to find a therapist? Just do it. Google it. Go on Yelp. All this shit feels impossible. You're like, I don't want to turn on the computer. I don't want to do any of this. You just have to. You have to. You do it if you're on fire. You do it if you're on fire and someone's like, you know, here's a way to not be on fire. It's just this particular fire is it doesn't make you want to run around screaming. It just makes you want to fall asleep forever. And that, but those little steps, I got lucky because it worked. It worked. I started exercising. I'd been on antidepressants before when I was originally diagnosed with it.

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  10. And then Suddenly, the gravitational field diminishes a little bit. It doesn't go all the way away. And that's where you can fall right back into it because you just feel even slightly better. You're like, oh, okay, I fixed it. You know, really, I think if you like in having been through therapy, The best solution would be go to a fucking therapist as quickly as you can. Just sit down with him and tell him what's going on.

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  11. Everything. So you start, so you can almost have a conversation with the depression. And then what you do is you start doing the opposite of everything it's telling you to do. So it's telling you, lay in bed. So you get out of bed. It's definitely telling you don't fucking exercise. You're going to go fucking exercise. That's not going to do anything. You can't. You probably have a heart attack. You really want to go outside. Don't go fucking exercise. And it'll feel. Crazy and you won't want to do it. If you wanted to do it, you wouldn't be depressed. Like, how often do you hear like one of the symptoms of depression? You want to jog, you want to get on a bike. You know, you don't hear that. That's not a symptom. So you start, at least one solution was I started doing the opposite of.

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  12. Heavy, your body's heavy. You don't want to get out of bed. You will consider shitting or pissing the bad because you're just like, who gives a fuck? I'll just lay in my shit and piss. You're dying. You're like, none of it makes sense. So And I feel like in retrospect I'm making what I've done a little like I had more lucidity. It was more of like when you're, you know, you're wrestling with someone and you're just like, well, you do. Different for you, but for me, if I'm wrestling, I'm not thinking about jujitsu moves. I'm like,

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  13. So for me, the solutions, and again, man, for my depressed friends out there, please don't get mad at me. I'm not doing the thing. I'm like, just put on a smile or any of that bullshit because it doesn't feel like that when you're fighting it. It's like you're in a, uh, Know why I keep using these stupid gravity analogies, but it's like the gravity has been turned up on your planet in every single way by, so getting out of bed. You know, like

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  14. Yeah. But I think also what's going along with it is like it's not like your brain isn't working. Like you're not thinking, you're obviously you're not thinking clearly. Like at least again, this is my experience of it. It's a fog. You're in some kind of you're confused. There's confusion. There's shame. You feel embarrassed. You feel embarrassed. You want to get out of bed. You want to do stuff. You want to be compelled to be social and do all this stuff. But you're not, you're not. If people don't know what's going on and you're not telling them because you're embarrassed because you want to have some corrupted warped psyche, you know, you're like, it invites you to be secret about it. That's one of its first tricks is it tells you not to tell anybody. And that's. Deadly in that case is deadly.

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  15. Not feeling. I mean, that's the other thing. You're just basically not feeling. You start going numb. At least that was my experience with it. Numb and tired and then increasingly numb and tired and then increasingly sort of disconnecting from reality and then somewhere in there that's when you start playing around with the idea of like, I don't know if it's worth it. Now, you know, I think compared to some of my friends who haven't survived, obviously who haven't survived depression, like mine was definitely not whatever theirs was like it. I've heard, I mean, to understand it for folks out there who maybe haven't gone through it, just imagine if how bad you have to feel if death is the solution, like violence against yourself so that you die is the solution. Flies in the face of everything.

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  16. Immediately, and that's the specific psychological disorder, that's the problem because the things it's like if you start listening to what you think it's you, it's the depression, you start listening to it, it wants you to stay in bed. And then you're getting those fucking depression sleeps, you know, or you wake up and you're more tired, like it's not working. You're trying to escape reality by sleeping. And so, yeah, like you have to, like, you're fighting for, you're literally fighting for your life. It might not seem like that because you can't, if you could see depression, if you could see it, if you knew you had some inky, vaporous octopus thing that was just wrapping around you more and more and more and more, you would probably do everything you could to rip that fucking thing off your body. And if you couldn't get it off your body,

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  17. Yeah, what's going to be the least painful way to do it? What's going to be the most instantaneous? With depression because it can be progressive, you know, this is why you have to really just stay on top of. Anyone who's gone through depression knows what I'm talking about. You got to stay on top of it. Like you might need medication. You know, I know this is controversial now, but it's still better than dying, if you ask me. But at some point with depression, it becomes paralyzing. So you don't want to get out of bed anymore and you're not taking showers anymore. And you don't want to talk to anybody anymore and you're not answering your phone anymore.

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  18. Think the height of my apartment building is probably definitely the right height to kill myself. And then so where for me, like the few times where the ideation has gone towards like Well, when would I do that? How do I what, you know, what do I need to accomplish that? And then that's where it gets really fucking scary. That's where it's like terrifying.

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  19. I needed therapy, man. I needed therapy for the longest time. I just didn't get it. So because of that, I would go through bouts of paralytic depression, like suicidal depression, suicidal ideations that were more than just ideations. I mean, I think like... People get afraid when the thought of suicide appears in their consciousness, they get really scared of themselves, so they think there's something like, fuck what's going on with me? Why would I think that? But I think if we are suffering and as a natural part of wanting to reduce suffering or not feel bad anymore, I mean suicide is going to be an area. Let's brainstorm here. You know what I mean? I can start drinking more water. Start jogging, get some therapy, call my friends, all the stuff we all hear, or I could just.

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  20. Intelligent way of looking at it. It's like, don't pretend that you're not going to feel that hate. Like you're going to feel it. There's no way around it. Like, because that's even worse, because then you're almost saying something's wrong with them for feeling the hate or, you know, whatever. But more along the lines of if you can avoid. Applying that hate. Entire country of people, then do that. Like just understand we're talking about like a Not everybody. I know it's not everybody. I know it's not everybody. It's just easier, isn't it? Cognitively. It's somehow easier to think all Russians, monsters. You know, all Russians, all whatever the particular thing is that you're supposed to not like. It's easier somehow weirdly. You'd think that'd be more difficult.

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  21. Something Jack Cornfield, this great Buddhist teacher says, which is tend to the part of the garden you can touch, meaning this is where we're at right now. Thank God you and I, though we are experiencing some like ripples from what's going on over there everyone is, we're not there. And thank God we don't have to come up with the psychological program for people going through that to no longer be encumbered by that hate. Thank God. And I don't know if that's just lazy or whatever, but it's like, you know, for me, I just have to bring it back to, all right, well, here's where I'm at now. And I don't want there to be war. I don't want to hurt people. But yeah, I love what you said. I think what you said is the, if anything is the most.

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  22. Critique of that is that that latency could potentially not just lead to the cop getting killed, but to that person with a knife killing other people. And so, you know, I get if I were out there, I think that you probably just as a matter of not getting shot and being fully in the moment, you have to be like that, I would guess. I don't know. I don't know. I'm the furthest thing from a soldier there could be, but there's a

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  23. Yeah. I mean, he's literally in survival mode. Can't think like that. It's going to create latency in the system, and that's going to lower survivability. You can't think that. I mean, we're talking about like cognitively. You can't have latency. Like if that one moment of hesitation, like you see it sometimes, like in these YouTube videos of like somebody, a new cop has been unfortunate enough to run into something that is a phenomenon suicide by cop Somebody has a knife, and that person is running towards them with a knife, and they're begging the person to stop, that you can hear it in their voice. They're begging stop stop, stop, stop and the person is not going to stop. So

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  24. The look on his face. I can't explain the look on his face. I don't know what happened to his parents. I don't know what happened. It was so upsetting. Like even thinking about it now, it's just like, fuck, that could have been my kid. That could have been my kid. Knowing that. Kid's got to grow up now. And I don't know, is the kid's parents still there? And that's just one of countless orphans out there now.

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  25. Which is why it's not your job to say that you're doing that. I know you're not But you know, the problem with people like me, early phase, you could get this stupid missionary thing going where you start trying to, I don't know, like proselytize ideals that you might be incapable of, you know, and I just hearing it, you know, that's the, man, I saw this, the thing that like, I mean, I've seen a lot, all of us by now probably online, I've seen, and you just saw it in person. Like we've seen things that are just. Horrific but as a dad Man, I just saw this clip of this kid around the age of my kid walkin' by himself these refugees just walking by himself

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  26. What are you going to tell? What are you going to say? What are you going to say to someone like that? Oh, oh, you know, for the sake of humanity, let it go. It was just your kids. It was just something you loved more than anything in the world. You'll never be okay again. You don't have nightmares for the rest of your life. But you should forgive No.

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  27. Well, yeah, their kids got killed. What the fuck are you going to do about that? Like, I don't care. I've got, you know, I've got aphorisms and cute little stories about, you know, you're still in prison if you hate your former captors. But man, I got to tell you, if somebody hurt my kids, I'm not coming back. I mean, there's no amount, at least right now in my approximation, of spiritual literature, meditation, or anything that I can really think of that is going to give me that kind of space. Like, I think I imagine in the same way, like, I imagine I could probably run a marathon eventually, but do I think I'm ever going to do that? That times a million. So, man, you know, all we can do is have compassion for their hate because it's like.

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  28. American, Chinese, Russian, Ukrainian, temporary autonomous zone, it gets crushed by the default reality that it was appearing in but somehow within that space you witness the possibility the possibility the frustrating possibility that anyone who's thought about humanity knows this possibility, which is like, it seems like we can just get along. Like it does seem like we're pretty much the same thing and that we can just get along.

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  29. But there's some other stuff. But regardless, Hakim Bei came up with the idea of something called a temporary autonomous zone, which is that within a structure, a cultural structure, a temporary bubble of freedom will appear that by its nature gets sort of popped by the bigger bubble or it runs out of resources generally is what happens. So these things will appear just out of the blue that it's almost like imagine if like on Earth in some tiny little bit of Earth the gravitational field was reduced by some percentage. And all of a sudden you could jump really high or whatever, but it wouldn't last. It's like that culturally. All the restrictions and the darkness and the heaviness and all of it for a second. Somehow this. Appears where humans come together as the hippie ideal, brothers, sisters, just humans, earthlings instead of.

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  30. And so when those moments happen, are you familiar with Hakeem Bei? He's a controversial figure sadly like he think he was, I'm not going to defame him because I haven't researched it correctly, but some people have said shit. But since I don't know the reference, I'm not going to. But regardless, I mean, you know, look, I'm sorry, but Bill Cosby was funny. You know, like that's a funny comedian. You know the other stuff. Michael Jackson. He could fucking dance.

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  31. Yeah, it's, I mean, this is like talk about absurdity. I mean, this is war is like, it's the what absurdity looks like. It's some kind of organized madness. None of it makes sense. Like all of it, like it's just none of it makes sense. But it does. But it doesn't. I mean, obviously you're defending yourself or you're taking orders that if you don't take, you're going to jail. And so somewhere in between, you know, the classic story about this maybe it's a bullshit myth about World War II. I'm sure everyone's heard it because it comes up. You know it's Christmas Eve and they have a ceasefire and then I think they played soccer. They sang Christmas songs and then they had to force them into fighting again.

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  32. Yeah, I'm sure depending on where you're at, you know, I'm definitely about the farthest thing from a polyglot as there could be, man. But I'll tell you, at one point when I was getting fascinated by Dostevsky, I did have this very transient fantasy about learning Russian so that I could like understand the difference in the difference.

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  33. And I don't know the name for Chinese writing, but it's a continuum that gets weirder and weirder looking, you know? So, yeah, I'm

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  34. Yeah, how much of the conflict is just problems in translation? How much of the all these problems that we're having are just the alien sense of this or that? It's just as simple as that. Words are getting just a tiny warp away from the intent of if when we both speak the same language we can still say something that offends someone when you never intended that at all how much more so when like it's not only is it a completely different sound but the script itself is different like what the Russian writing is it called Cyrillic or what's it?

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  35. I would like to say it's my ego taking a nose dive. Me and my friend talk about it a bunch. We've just always associated it with doing acid for two decades straight. Like I'm going to just assume I'm just slowly spiraling into senility. I'm just like all the confidence, all the like, oh, the certainty when you're having like in college and having the great. Like, you know, you feel like you're a representative of Camus or some shit. You know what I mean? You read the myth of Sisyphus and now you like it, know all existentialism. And your certainty in regards to it is embarrassing, but you don't see it in that way. You just feel certain and then that certainty, it just starts like it starts crumbling a little bit. And then.

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  36. You're in trouble If all of a sudden you start looking down on people because whatever crazy metric you're using that would freak me out. I do feel like that's a quality of getting older. When I was younger I really thought I was so smart. Like I thought I had all figured out.

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  37. Yeah. Yeah, feeling lucky and wrestling with imposter syndrome, you know, trying to like get that part of myself to shut up long enough so I could be in that moment that we're talking about, you know. And then I carry that with me. It's not just like you stop the podcast. It's like some of the things these people tell me or some of the ways they are, like it becomes part of me. And then I get to have a life or this thing that they gave me is in me forever. And so, yeah, it's, there's.

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  38. Spent, you know, some of them have spent their entire lifetime meditating, you know, studying specific aspects of Buddhism, or even when I'm with, you know, when I'm with comedians who I consider to be brilliantly funny. So for me, it's just like, God, I almost feel like I've just created some sophisticated trap for cool people where like I get to like hang out with them.

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  39. I will never stop thinking it's remarkable. Like the fact that I'm talking to you, to me. Seems remarkable, not just technologically, but I'm talking. Someone, I'm assuming I'm allowed to say this, who has robotic. Dogs I've been watching for years evolve on YouTube. I'm arms reach away from one of these things, you know, and I'm with somebody who is like an acclaimed genius. So for me, it's like, oh my God, how's what? Why do I get to have this conversation? Why do I get to be here when there would be like a line? There'd be a line that would just wrapped and wrapped and wrapped around this building of people who'd love a chance to just chat with you. And so with my podcast, how I feel like when I'm talking to these guests, you know, who have

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  40. Going to do a podcast, that's where I try to go. I try to go just in the moment. No agenda. You know, if I am nervous or whatever, okay, I'll feel the nervousness, but just in the, just drop into the moment. That's when time changes. And then you look up, hours have passed. It feels like a second. And the reason it feels like that is because if you successfully dropped into the moment, it's the lake now. It's emptiness. It's forever for a second. You're like, you're dipping into eternity. And yeah, it's a very strange thing as part of that record it, you know, as part of that try to like grab it and put it out there, but it works.

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  41. So, to get back to the lake that you were talking about, this is emptiness. So that's emptiness. That's what's known as emptiness. The lake is emptiness. And that's what we are emptiness, emptiness. And that's another thing that gets very confused in Buddhism is that emptiness. And that emptiness is, that's to me, like when I'm

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  42. Thing that grasping you're talking about. It's like the raccoon washing the cotton candy. Like the moment you get into the grasping part, paradoxically have pulled yourself out of the moment that inspired the grasping part. And that's, you know, that's some people. That's the entirety of their lives. Trying to record. I mean, Jesus, man, you ever see people film fireworks on the 4th of July with their phone? It's one of the most remarkable aspects of human behavior, which is like, you know they're not going to watch the fireworks on their phone. Only a lunatic would do that. Like, who's going to go back and look at fireworks?

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  43. That's it. Well, and that's something you have to cultivate. That's not an easy thing you're talking about. Have you seen these? I think the best analogy for what you're talking about, there's these videos where people give like a sugar cube to a raccoon, but the raccoons, they wash their food. So raccoon, or I think it's cotton candy. They give the raccoon cotton candy. Immediately it washes the cotton candy. And of course, the cotton candy dissolves in the water. And the raccoon is like, what the fuck? Like, you know, and the...

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  44. Man, yeah, I was nervous about meeting you, man. Like, I have so much respect for you. And, like, yeah, I name dropped. I was saying I'm going on Lexus Podcast today. Look, we're so lucky we all live here. What the fuck? We're all living in Austin together. I somehow missed that. But we all got to hang out. We all have to like start doing stuff together.

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  45. Exactly. There you go. Right. And that leads to the third noble truth, which is. Get rid of attachment, and you won't suffer anymore. It seems logical, but you know, it is a very mathematical analysis of this particular problem of suffering it's addressing. And then the fourth noble truth is the eightfold path of Buddhism, which is like a process by which one could unencumber oneself from this identification with something that isn't real.

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  46. There's a lot of levels to that concept. Definitely the cause of suffering is attachment. I mean, God, I just got addicted to vapes. Is there a more embarrassing addiction than vapes? I'm smoking like a little purple thing. It tastes like sugar. It's attachment. There is suffering. I want it. I have to charge it now. I'm embarrassed by it. It makes me feel out of control. There's a lot of suffering, but also there's deeper levels of attachment. They go all the way to this attachment to the sense of one's self. And I think the existentialists do get into this idea in a different way, which is like because I think I'm a me. Now I have to push what that thing is out into the world through my actions.

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  47. Sort of one of the ways in is this sort of contemplation of identity because it's like, you know, what it's not just the desire. It's what is having the desire. Where does the desire live in? Like what doesn't want to be where it's at? What is the thing that is desperately wanting to get out of the situation it's in? And then as far as ignorance, it's still something that's theoretically happening to an identity. So wrapped up in it is really just this sort of like, and that's where we run into what into attachment. So if the first noble truth of Buddhism is there is suffering, the second noble truth of Buddhism is the cause of this suffering is attachment. And so people hear that and they take it.

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  48. I don't think that no, and look, I'm not a sign it. Look, all I'm saying is, I don't care. Who cares? Who has a bit of prostitute? God, I used to be one of Vegas.

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  49. Yes, is suffering, there is suffering. And the lake analogy is pretty good because the um What's happening here is that we have become identified with something that we call a self. So the self is just accepted. I have a self, I have an identity, I'm a person, I have a self. But when you start doing scans to try to find yourself, which is the entire thing, I'm going to find myself. You get in a van, go to California, take some acid.

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  50. No, the fear doesn't help. By your chin, you think I'd have a fucking beard? I look like a stork. You should see me. If I had your chin, there would be no beard here. You have a symmetrical, nice chin.

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