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  1. “Well, thanks. And at the risk of mutual back scratching, the reason I was so proud to have you working with me was because people said sometimes he was a political consultant. You're not a political consultant. You're somebody who cares deeply about social justice and things I care about. And that's why it's great to, it's great that you worked with me and it's great that you're a friend.”

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  2. “Yeah, the podcast. Yes. Yeah, no, indeed. And yeah, so and, you know, engaging in ideas and also. And also, you know, the interesting thing about being a leader is, okay, you get recognized a lot in the street. You get a much more positive view of the electorate than you would get reading a newspaper. The number of people, I mean, partly, I've been sustained by my family, but also all the nice people who come up to you on the street and say, look, I just wanted to say, I'm sorry you lost. I mean, sometimes I was comforting people who are in tears on the street, and I was sort of saying, well, gee, it was me that lost. But, you know, people are nice and people tell you interesting things about their lives and what's happened to them and so on. So I think it's a combination of all those things.”

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  3. “Would have won that election. I know that people often write into me at the podcast and say, I want to apologize for not having voted for you. I've only had known what you were like. And, you know, on social media people often say, oh, why wasn't he like this before? I could have been looser, I guess, as leader. I'd learnt that. But what did I learn about myself in the sort of adversity context? My family was Justina and my kids incredibly important. Sort of rock and ballast to me. That you, I need a project, I need an engaging project, which the podcast is part of as well as my constituency.”

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  4. “And thirdly, I'm not going to let this, it obviously defines my life in one sense, but I'm not going to let the defeat sort of define kind of who I am for the rest of my life. Because there's all kinds of ways you can contribute in politics. Now, the third part's been hard. And in a way, the 2017 election was my moment of release a bit because the last election was not my election and it sort of meant I kind of went, came through it. But to answer your question in a long-winded way, it's really hard.”

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  5. “No, I'm not saying that, but I'm just sort of. You are saying that, but we'll let it go. I know how tough it is when you have noises, noises off from any quarter, basically”

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  6. “Definitely and kind of right from the get-go after 2015, I suppose I felt a number of things. I felt I'm not going to blame anyone else. It was my defeat. I'm going to be to try my absolute damnest to be loyal to my successor because I know how tough the job is and I know it's not great when people who used to do the job are not being positive.”

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  7. “Is the name of the podcast inspired by the X files. But the reason to be cheerful is not the name I came up with. It's the name my co-host Jeff Lloyd came up with, but I think it's a very good name because we talk about interesting ideas that can change the country from housing ideas to ideas about land taxes or the universal basic income or transgender rights. What are the things to feel positive and optimistic about that can build a left future? And I said when I resigned as leader, I may not be leader anymore, but I can still pursue my ideas. And that's what I sort of care about.”

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  8. “And he says coffee for Arnie, and they say coffee for Ernie. He goes into Starbucks. You know, it's slightly like that. Look, it's hard. I mean, it's definitely hard. Coming to terms with defeat is hard. I've got into the podcast business. Yes, I wanted to ask you about that. Inspired by the acts files.”

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  9. “I think that's gone up and down, to be honest. It may have taken a dip recently, but I think it's been up and down. Look, there's no question that he faces media challenges. Which I face, but he faces a meek, if you like, even bigger, the Daily Mail, one of our biggest selling newspapers, ran 13 pages on why he was a terrorist sympathizer just before the election. The sun equally, you know, the mainstream media has got it in fim. He's faced problems inside the party. He was such an insurgent. He's faced problems in the party. But, you know, I kind of think it's my part of my role speaking for myself, not as a member of his shadow cabinet, his shadow government, but as a backbencher to try and support him with ideas”

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  10. “Unless you offer that big sense of chairs, you're not going to mobilize people. And if you do offer that big sense of change, there is huge potential for mobilization. That's why Corbyn did so much better. You know, there are labor MPs around me in the House of Commons who would say to you, I had no idea I was going to win the election. I was going to be here until 10 o'clock on election night at maybe 11 o'clock and maybe midnight. And I was, you know, I'm sitting on a majority of 5,000, 10,000 high by British standards in a parliamentary seat. I had no idea where the voters came from. I mean, it is all.”

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  11. “But by offering bigger answers, by offering bigger answers than had previously been available, I do think this is the contours of politics today, which is that people are really hurting. You and I talked about this a lot. I think that was one of the reasons we ended up working together was we shared this sense good work isn't rewarded, young people feel they can't get on. There are these vast gulfs of wealth and income. Think unless the left offers big answers and is for the change not the status quo and in a way what I'm saying to you about myself, you can also say this perhaps about what happened in the US in 2016 is that I was too much the status quo. I didn't feel I was, but I wasn't enough change.”

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  12. “Yes and he's proved that in the twenty seventeen general election. I mean it's really important for your audience to realize first of all how unlikely it was that Corbyn would become leader but secondly how the whole political class got the 2017 election in Britain wrong. I mean this was a guy languishing on 25% of the polls who got 40% who nearly won the election. Now he didn't win the election but”

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  13. “From which there was no, but it wasn't even a proposition to get rid of his chemical weapons Because you couldn't hit the chemical weapons stockpiles. That wasn't the proposition on the table. And so, and after all, President Trump also did actually bomb last year And, you know, this is not to take away from the appalling suffering that Syrian people have faced. And what has happened in Syria is ghastly. And of course, there is a collective responsibility in the international community for that having happened. But I don't buy the argument about 2013.”

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  14. “But of course, I think about it, but no. And look, I think the thing that people sometimes forget about this was that the proposition on the table was a strike, not a strategy. And the thing that I always felt was the lesson of Iraq was that if you're going to engage in military intervention, it needs to be part of a strategy. And ultimately, that's why I had the skepticism I did about the proposal on the table. I know President Obama... An interview, I believe, in the Atlantic also said in retrospect he felt that the proposal was a sketchy”

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  15. “Mass exposure to diplomats was a good thing to do. And she was the incident. It was a good thing to do, but as you say, as you imply, it was relatively modest. I mean, I do think like the Magnitsky Act. Which people have talked about.”

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  16. “I mean, I think she's been right to act, but I can't sit here and say, I'm not going to be critical of her because I don't know quite, it's hard to know how you would do what exactly needs to be done. But I think, look, the world faces a massive challenge in relation to Putin. Which is can we act in concert? How do we act in a way that really sends a message to him on some of these things? You know, I mean, it was an album. This portion of the...”

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  17. “Without proper oversight, you've got properties being bought. I think something like 80,000 properties in the UK, which are bought through anonymous shell companies based in UK tax havens. I mean, if there's one good thing that might come out of this dreadful poisoning, it's that now there's some more focus on these wider issues. And maybe we're going to do something about it. But I mean, it's bad. And it's not good for the country either. I mean, I think the price we pay for having these folk there, what it does for the housing market, et cetera, et cetera, is not good.”

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  18. “Which means you can be sort of resident, but not domiciled so you don't pay proper taxes. And the argument in the Treasury was always, oh, well, the Greek tycoons will leave. Well, anyway, the Greek tycoons have been replaced or supplemented by Russian oligarchs.”

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  19. “Look, it goes to big politics and economics, which is that I'm afraid the British model for economic success has partly been let's just attract as many rich people as possible, never mind sort of the provenance of their riches.”

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  20. “Now, that was when I thought I would win the referendum. So I was not in favor of the referendum. I was for remaining in the European Union, but we lost narrowly 5248. You might say, as somebody said to me recently here, how can a country on one day decide to sort of change its future without any kind of constitution or process or anything? But I'm afraid that is what happened. We went into it saying it was a one-off. I think it's very hard to redo. I'm not in the redo camp. My constituency, as I said earlier, voted very significantly for Brexit. So we're going to have to make the best of it. And that means, in my view, you respect the referendum result, so we are leaving, but you... But I think we're sort of this is the card, the hand we've been dealt.”

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  21. “Okay, well, let me explain. I mean, we talked about this a lot. I haven't talked about your excellent advice you gave me, but we talked a lot about the European thing. And I was clear as the wrong thing to do for the country because it was an issue that 15% of people cared about, but it was going to suddenly become, if I had won the election, and I talked to Tony Blair and others about this, it would become my sole focus.”

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  22. “You think you were posting? To put it very mildly, too little regard for the potential consequences, which I wasn't willing to do.”

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  23. “I thought if I'm going to lose the election never a bacon sandwich, oh, for goodness sake, I don't think I lost over the bacon sandwich. I think it's deeper. I think the other thing I would say, I think I take full responsibility for what happened. I could have made different decisions. I've said that I think I could have been bolder. I think there's also a bit of an uphill struggle in part because it was the first election the Tories were facing. And the kind of British people think, well, it's real.”

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  24. “I mean, well, I think it bothered me that I lost. I mean, it didn't bother me at the time. I sort of thought it was ridiculous”

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  25. “But what's really interesting about this is that they tried to attack me on my agenda. He wants to take us back to the 1970s, you know, when I would propose a freezing energy prices or taking land away from developers who sat on it to build public housing. And they'd say, you know, and it didn't work, the ideological attack. And so they sort of went for a character attack. He's weird. He's this, that, and the other. And that sort of had an impact, you know.”

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  26. “Indeed. And that's what we don't want, as I say, we don't want Fox News. And Fox News is a standing example. Of the kind of media you don't want. We have quite strong rules on broadcasting actually in the UK to try and prevent that. But I think Rupert Murdoch has got such a long track record of circumventing rules that I think he owns the largest newspaper group. He gets radio interests online. He's just enough already.”

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  27. “But the thing about this was that when he launched this bid in December 2016, everybody said to me, oh, well, it's just going to go through this time. There's nothing we can do. And if there's one thing I learned, maybe it's from some combination of Gordon Brown and my father, is you don't sort of know for an answer. You don't sort of say, Oh, well, this fight's too big a fight to take on. Let's just sort of sit this one out.”

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  28. “He was at the time trying to take over Sky News. He currently owns 39% or his company, Fox and 39% of it. He then withdrew the bid at the time, you know, with great humility and all of that stuff, partly Parliament forced him to. But he's come back. And I think Rupert Murdoch's got a lot of influence in Britain. He doesn't need any more. And so I'm in a fight with him about whether it's going to go ahead. It's with the regulatory authorities at the moment. He seems quite irritated by me. It's cross-party group of politicians, a former Conservative Chancellor, Kenneth Clark, Liberal Democrat Vince Cable, and my colleague Lord Faulkner, former Lord Chancellor, all taking this fight on because we just care about public discourse. And to put it simply, we don't want Fox News in the UK.”

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  29. “Going to give you the weather in a second. A finger on the pulse. So I don't know. I mean, it's obviously dramatic news, this European Commission Ray, but I don't know what it's in connection with. The broader context, my run-in with him started in 2011 when they were exposed, his newspapers having or the News of the World having hacked the phone of a girl who turned out to have been kidnapped and killed Millie Dowler. It led to a whole criminal jail. Criminal convictions, a big inquiry and all that.”

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  30. “Jeremy, yeah And so, and I often felt when I was running, actually, there's one thing I did feel at the time, it's we've got a big bold analysis of these problems of inequality of the next generation doing worse than the last of the problems the country faces. Are our answers bold enough? And so, you know, I think, well, I don't think it was written in the stars, basically.”

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  31. “They weren't friendly to me But you know what? Look, I was going to say, they didn't buy me, but I think there's a more substantive thing here, which is, and maybe it goes to the wider challenges of the left, is that I think I was caught, and maybe this is implicit in your question about the way I won, I was caught between those who wanted reassurance, who didn't find me reassuring enough, and those who wanted radicalism, this is the voters, who didn't find me radical enough. Now, actually, oddly enough, a lot of my 2015 manifesto is now being proposed by Jeremy Corbyn, some of it implemented by Theresa May”

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  32. “Yeah, I've carried it around with me ever since. But, you know, I think it's sort of, I think it's hard to explain, but I think it's a combination of people didn't buy me as compared to cameras. Let me ask you.”

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  33. “Is you know, I was the leader, I made the decisions, I take responsibility for having lost, and I don't think it was doomed because there were moments when I was doing a lot better. We were ahead in the polls. I know the polls turned out to be wrong. But even allowing for that, we were ahead. Explaining a defeat, you said to me very nicely after the election, you're never as dumb as you look when you lose or as smart as you look when you win. I learned that.”

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  34. “Oh, I see no responsibility. Well, it's certainly not your responsibility. Look, one of the things, and again, I don't want to jump ahead, but one of the things that I've been very clear about since 2015”

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  35. “Know it was very, very hard to make that decision, but I made it and honestly I don't regret it. I think I would have regretted more thinking, look, I had an agenda, a thing for the country, and I decided to kind of hold it back.”

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  36. “It was a very hard decision The way I think about it is. Of course, I wanted to be leader, but I did it because I felt I had a different thing to offer. Had a different thing to offer ideologically about where the party needed to go, but more important where the country needed to go. I thought there were big things that needed to be tackled about inequality About what kind of country we were trying to build. And it was an incredible, you know, it's the hardest decision I've ever made. And it was incredibly tough. But I suppose I was, you know, we talked about Brown and Blair earlier. They weren't brothers. They aren't brothers. But it stored up an awful lot of trouble for the party that one of them stood and the other didn't. Because it was a deal, or wasn't it a deal, or where was it going? And it created dysfunction. And so”

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  37. “When I say leave aside, I mean I'm talking about the domestic agenda. And Iraq was part of my criticism. But, you know, Just on the domestic front. And so I had, and I felt this at the time. And if you talk to Tony or Gordon, they would, I think, say this, I didn't suddenly come along and think in 2010, how do I position myself for this thing? I always felt I was part of the new Labour government, but I didn't feel I didn't feel personally new Labour.”

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  38. “Well, I was definitely the beyond New Labour candidate because I felt New Labour was done good things, as I've said, but I think it got some things wrong about being too relaxed about inequality, about deregulation. About a number of things, particularly domestically, let's leave aside Iraq, but just a number of things domestically. Oh, that was a...”

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  39. “Knows, yeah. I mean, yeah, it was kind of late. It was sort of a, yeah, I think that's probably the car was out of gas was probably a good way of putting it. Look, I have respect for both of them in a way one of the things about me is that... Try and be respectful of people from all sides, particularly within my party, but even beyond my party. I'm maybe the only one of the few people in the Labour Party who can talk to Neil Kinnock, Jeremy Colby, Tony Blair, Gordon Brown, our living leaders. And I can get on with all of them.”

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  40. “And Yeah, and there was lots of good things, and yet it was built on an incredibly dysfunctional relationship between the two of them.”

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  41. “Little Labour Party, and it'd been long assumed that Brown was the senior partner, but all the sort of mood music party will was for Blair. And, you know, theirs was an extraordinary partnership because it was incredibly creative. It did very good things. I've got my criticisms of the government, that government, and I had my criticisms at the time. But, you know, it renewed the public services, it did stuff on anti-poverty and so on. And America...”

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  42. “Gosh, that's interesting. Know, these were two people who had been joined at the hip when they came together in 1983, but both elected in 1983, Labour's worst election defeat sort of forever worked incredibly closely together. 1994 John Smith dies of a heart attack.”

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  43. “And it speaks in a way to people's skepticism about him that Cameron didn't win the election outright in 2010. He had to have this coalition with the Liberal Democrats. But yeah, so I mean”

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  44. “It was a moment made for him But I think it was hard for him, but he'd been at the front line of politics for like 20 years. And there he was trying to reinvent a government and renew a government”

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  45. “Political time, you know, you've been in power 13 years. Gordon Brown, who, you know, I'd been advisor to close to, still am, took over after 10 years of Tony Blair, really at the sort of fag end of the administration. And it's very high. I think what it taught me was it's very hard to reinvent in office. I mean, in an odd way, he came into his own with the banking crisis.”

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  46. “Exactly, exactly. And I think it's sort of been too much of an afterthought, I would say, and it needs to be more and center.”

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  47. “Well, I would say I think people broadly get it, but they ask the question, is it going to be a just transition? And I think if I'm honest, I think this is one of the things that continues to elude the wider environmental movement, which is how you combine climate justice and social justice. And if I'd be self-critical, I think probably we haven't paid enough attention to this, that partly climate change has sat in its own box. This is the thing we've got to do because otherwise we're all going to be, the planet will be destroyed. And it hasn't really enough been combined with a sense of, yeah, but how do you do this equitably?”

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  48. “I mean, look, I think it's bad. I mean, it's bad. It's bad. There are people who say, well, the US states are doing good work and California and all that. And that is absolutely true and full credit to them. But there is not a moment to waste in this mission. And China has gone on leaps and bounds. I mean, one of the reasons why Paris worked in 2015 and Copenhagen didn't was that the political will had changed. China, India, the US and the progress that was made under President Obama, it was just a different set of things. But, you know, we are in a race against time. We are genuine, you know, we've already got one degree of warming. And if we're going to meet the very ambitious goals of Paris, keeping warming to below two degrees centigrade, never mind one and a half, which is the sort of outer limit of ambition, we have to have the stars have got to be completely alive.”

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  49. “60 it being, yeah. And there hadn't been any law until he came along, then it got raised, and then to 80. And so, yeah. I continue to care massively about these issues. Let me ask you a question”

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  50. “Yeah, well, he had been the Environment Secretary, and eventually I took over the bill he had started, the Climate Change Act, which put into law Britain's commitment to emissions by 80%.”

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