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Edward Luce

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“Million votes as opposed to five million. And it's a kind of normal event. So I would dispute the fact that nothing's changed. I think in September, hopefully Merkel or Martin Schulz will be elected in the German elections. But the AFD is going to breach the 5% limit below which you cannot achieve representation under the German system. And this will be the first time in German history since 1940 since its basic law was promulgated in 1949 that the far right has achieved representation. And then, of course, there's Austria, where a modern neo-Nazi, a post-modern neo-Nazi, Norbert Hoffer, lost with 47% of the vote. And we celebrated that as a breaking of the populist wave. I mean, how low should our bar be to celebrate the health of liberal democracy?”
2017-06-21 · Conversations with Tyler · Edward Luce on The Retreat of Western Liberalism (Live) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Well, I would dispute your premise to some degree. I mean, I think the Macron victory is a very, very positive moment. But, you know, if you were going to ask me overrated, underrated, Macron would be in the overrated category right now. The first time the National Front, the Front National candidate, Marine Le Pen's father, Jean-Marie Le Pen, got through to the second round, was in 2002. And it was a crisis of France. It was a drama of the Republic. How could a fascist get through to being one of the last two? And Jacques Chirac led what was essentially a funeral march, no campaigning between round one of the election and round two. And everybody put the famous clothes pegs on their nose, socialist, communists, they voted for the Gaullist. They voted for Chirac. And he got 82% of the vote. As I say, it was an existential moment in French democracy. So Marine Le Pen gets through to the second round as expected, wins a third of the vote.”
2017-06-21 · Conversations with Tyler · Edward Luce on The Retreat of Western Liberalism (Live) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“But maybe by the time his podcast, the dead woman walking will actually be dead. But the idea that a conservative prime minister could remain leader of their party whilst keeping freedom of movement is pretty hard to imagine now. The party shifted very, very much to an anti-immigrant position. But the idea that anybody can survive and get re-elected and generate growth by leaving the single market is also pretty hard to imagine. Britain's between a rock and a hard place. There's really no good outcomes here.”
2017-06-21 · Conversations with Tyler · Edward Luce on The Retreat of Western Liberalism (Live) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“It could be, and I hope it is, and I'm certainly open to the prospect it might be. And I argued to some degree, well, successfully with my publishers who wanted my book to be called The Collapse of Western Liberalism. I said, no, no, this should be the retreat. And retreat implies the possibility of regrouping. I don't think there's a collapse going on here. I do think there is a severe structural challenge to the way we conduct democracy, liberal democracy in the West, particularly in the English-speaking West. The outcome of The immigration sort of aspect of Brexit. I think is one of those things that's going to be very, very hard to predict because Theresa May or whoever replaces her, British politics is Italianizing. There's going to be another general election. Maybe by the time”
2017-06-21 · Conversations with Tyler · Edward Luce on The Retreat of Western Liberalism (Live) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“occupied UKIP's ground. There's just no way you can describe that as a positive development. Whether we're hung up on the word liberal or not.”
2017-06-21 · Conversations with Tyler · Edward Luce on The Retreat of Western Liberalism (Live) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“No, you're not the only culprit. So people asked where UKIP went in this election because UKIP vanished, which you could say, but I didn't say is the third sort of very positive event to come out from last Thursday. And the reason why I didn't say it is because the Conservative Party is essentially become UKIP. It has taken up some really base, low anti-migrant politics, which it tried, Theresa May tried and failed to sort of whip up enthusiasm with in the last few days of the campaign. But they covered all the ground that UKIP occupied. So Richard Hofstadter, the rightly celebrated American political scientist, said third parties are like bees. They sting and then they die. UKIP has stung. Brexit happened. And the Conservative Party has now basically”
2017-06-21 · Conversations with Tyler · Edward Luce on The Retreat of Western Liberalism (Live) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“over movements of people, over any EU policies, and yet pays for the privilege. It's pretty hard to argue that's an improvement from the pre-Brexit situation. It's a loss of sovereignty, not a gain of sovereignty, and it's for certain, it's a serious loss of economic clout.”
2017-06-21 · Conversations with Tyler · Edward Luce on The Retreat of Western Liberalism (Live) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source