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Ellen Shell

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“Yes, I do the Twitter. I do the Twitter. Yeah, they're hard to beat. That's all. Just watch them. That'll be good. Now that you're”
2019-01-28 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: "The Job" author Ellen Shell · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“It's really bad. Is that what's going to happen? I can't speak to Star Trek. There'll be no money. I don't remember enough about Star Trek, but no money explore. Well, you know. I don't know about, no, I don't think there's not going to be money. I think the money will persist, but I think that the next generation coming up is coming into a new reality. And they're not going to say, I want to be a coal miner. You know, these folks, these young people are not saying that. They're not looking back and being nostalgic. They're looking forward. This is the world they were born into, and they're going to be equipped to deal with it.”
2019-01-28 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: "The Job" author Ellen Shell · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“No, no, no, no, no. It's a transitional time. It's a little scary for all of us on a lot of levels. But I am very positive and optimistic.”
2019-01-28 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: "The Job" author Ellen Shell · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“They know you would think robotics land. Yeah, exactly. Capabilities. So very last, the idea. Think we will always have work, and there's always more work to be done. The notion of jobs, as I say, is a pretty short-lived one in history. It's only a couple hundred years old, and maybe we've outgrown it. Maybe we've moved past it. So UBI for everybody. Right. Well, you know, we're going to have to be more imaginative. I think I wanted to, this book is to some degree disruptive of kind of everyday thinking about this, the kind of cliches that people, you know, thought, that people, you know what, the truth of the matter is things are changing. We have to address it. We're not just going to be a lot of people in the technology world. We're saying, well, no, robots are just going to be our pals. We're going to be our work pals. And we're going to be, you know, we'll have just as much work. That is not accurate. Okay. Robots are going to take some of the traditional jobs the way they already have and they'll do more, but there's no limit to work that needs to be done. We have to prioritize the work we want to be done and the work we want to do and make sure it's”
2019-01-28 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: "The Job" author Ellen Shell · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Eyes freak them all out. Were you at the robotic slam? Yeah, exactly. And they can't get it right. They can't get the robot. People are always scared of robots. But one of the things I'm always with robots, I'm like, why are we trying to make robots more human? Why don't we make humans more robotic, like ads capabilities? So very last, the idea of robots taking over or that we have to, we will not have jobs. Do you imagine that ever happening, that we will be...”
2019-01-28 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: "The Job" author Ellen Shell · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“A colleague who's an expert in this area And robots, and Lawyers first, then chefs, then home health. They're down the list. They're down the list. No, but it was interesting. It was the eyes. And the person who was an engineer wasn't meaning to say it's like.”
2019-01-28 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: "The Job" author Ellen Shell · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“They kept saying the eyes freak everyone out. Someday they'll get the eyes right. You know they will. I don't think who's an expert in this area. She's an expert on aging and place, right, and robots. And she has a technology background and she feels very strongly that home health care aides will not be automated. Lawyers for you.”
2019-01-28 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: "The Job" author Ellen Shell · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“I know that. One of the things at MIT when I was visiting, they were doing some of those robot caregiver people. And I know they couldn't get the eyes right. That's what they kept saying. The eyes freak everyone out. Someday they'll get the eyes right. You know they will”
2019-01-28 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: "The Job" author Ellen Shell · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Absolutely. And we want, you know, we want our cardiologists to be trained. So training, of course, if you have something that you want to do, you know, I also advocate, you know, but the fastest growing job category in America is nursing, right? Personal healthcare assistant. I believe those people should be certified and trained and have more education than they have.”
2019-01-28 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: "The Job" author Ellen Shell · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Peter and Tele. Okay. Right. Okay. Saves a lot of money. Absolutely. So those are things I would advise. I'd say don't invest everything in your first job. Don't think that if you're not happy in job, one thing I did is I wrote a little essay for the Atlantic that came out in a lot about working its meaning and a ton of millennials wrote me saying, I'm so miserable in my job. I did everything right. I'm a professional and my job sucks. And so I'm working harder and harder at it because I'm obviously not putting enough into it and it's making me more and more miserable. No, bad idea. Diversify your interests. Maybe need to keep that job to make a living, but pull back emotionally from it and find other things that will keep you centered and fulfilled because the job is not there to keep you fulfilled. No matter what your employer tells you, your employer cannot make meaning for you. You have to make meaning for yourself.”
2019-01-28 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: "The Job" author Ellen Shell · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“What are you talking about easiness Fortune. Some of you will. Some of them can, yeah. Obviously, I'm going to say what you already know that is to develop a portfolio and not just, you know, first of all, don't wait. Don't assume that your job is going to be your passion. Your passion can be anywhere in your life. It can be, you know, any number of things. Your job can be a way just to make a living while you do other things that are important in your life. That's a possibility that should be honored like any other, okay? That's one thing. Get a good basic education and go take it as far as you feel it's better. Don't push yourself beyond, you know, don't force yourself to go to college if you're not interested in ideas, right? If you're not, if you want to get out there and actually be, you know, you're an experiential learner, college may not be the place for you to go.”
2019-01-28 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: "The Job" author Ellen Shell · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“I said that to my kid. Right. They were saying about we need your kid to have executive function. I need to get up right now and leave. Absolutely. What are you talking about? Craziness. I want to finish up. I have to finish up. But in this technologically fast forward age, there's no answers. You can't give me perfect answers. But what are some of the things that are critical going forward when you think about work, when you're, like if you're a young person, you're like, oh, what the hell do I do? I can't Instagram my way to fortune. Some of you will.”
2019-01-28 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: "The Job" author Ellen Shell · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Didn't win. Right. The idea that everybody should be a leader, you know, leadership, you know, they talked, you know, when my kid was interviewing for preschool, they talked about. Leadership qualities in a three year old. I said that to my kid, right”
2019-01-28 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: "The Job" author Ellen Shell · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“To some degree, you know, the people who dominate the conversation tend to believe that the rest of the world is like them. So, when I say, you know, most people actually don't necessarily look for challenge in their job, that's kind of apocryphal because all the people in power, of course they look for challenge. They're competitive.”
2019-01-28 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: "The Job" author Ellen Shell · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Nothing there. Oh boy. I wish I had that money. I say it right now on my island enjoying it very nicely. But in any case, most of us train on the job. We do. And the idea, you know, part of what employers are doing now is they're saying, I don't want to train you anymore. I want you to what they call plug and play. Hire you to do a job right now. You walk in the door. You can do it. You can make me money. And guess what? When your skills are a little bit out of date, you're out of here, right? We'll get the next bunch. Don't want to participate in that. There's a reason why technology industries and other industries want to put out the idea that there's a skills gap, meaning a certain kind of skill that they're looking for right now. In the book I disseminate the idea, I take it apart, and I look at it. And if there's a gap, it's in basic.”
2019-01-28 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: "The Job" author Ellen Shell · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Well, you know, careful. I teach it a journalist. I went to Columbia, please. There you go. Well, I'm sure a lot of your colleagues at Columbia would disagree with you.”
2019-01-28 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: "The Job" author Ellen Shell · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Okay, because I think it's very limited. You train someone up for a job and that job is either flooded with people or gone very quickly, you know, right? I believe in a great liberal arts education for every kid through high school and high school should possibly be a terminal degree, a decent terminal degree if it's done properly, kids will know basic mathematics, communication skills, reading skills, all those things that will prepare them really will prepare them to learn on the job because most of us, as you know and I know, learn on the job. You know, I mentioned I'm training biology and here I'm a professor of journalism, right? I never took a journalism class.”
2019-01-28 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: "The Job" author Ellen Shell · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Oftentimes, they're just told what to do, right? Whereas rich kids are given all sorts of choices and options and problems to solve in their everyday life. So that, so in terms of education is, I don't believe in job training.”
2019-01-28 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: "The Job" author Ellen Shell · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Right, exactly. And you know, in fact, when you talk to people and find out what's really missing, it's really not, there's not a lack of computer skills. Every kid knows how to use their cell phone. Every kid knows how to use these apps. Every kid, you know, almost every kid, those kinds of STEM skills, you know what? There are plenty of people with STEM skills. What social scientists have found just in recent years is what kids lack are what they call analytic skills. And that is not problem solving per se, but knowing what problems to solve. Kind of the kind of thing that you're talking about yourself, you know, what problems are worth solving? What homework is worth doing? Where should I apply my efforts? Okay. Kids who grow up in privilege have a lot more exposure to that than kids who grow up in poverty. So poor kids started a very big disadvantage because they haven't been exposed to choices and decision making.”
2019-01-28 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: "The Job" author Ellen Shell · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Bane of teachers. My kids are like Because I think, you know, it's really interesting. You should say that a lot, I don't know if there are any children listening to this show, but if there are, they're all going to want you to be their mother. So good for you. Yeah, work Houston. Great, great. Clearly, we're very different mothers. But look, I don't think education needs to be reinvented. I think look at education and look how rich people educate their children, right? And I think it's really interesting. Rich people educate their children, many of them at private schools where they still teach things like Greek and Latin, you know, where they teach the classics. They teach you how to think. And one of the things I found out that was really interesting in researching this book was I thought to myself, well, people are talking about the skills gap, the skills gap, the skills. What skills are actually lacking? Well, we're told these, you know, computer skills, you know, a lot of economists I talk to.”
2019-01-28 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: "The Job" author Ellen Shell · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Look like then for the vast majority of people? What do we have to do in the education system to get people to that? Sometimes I'm with my kids, for example, and I was like, don't do that homework. It won't matter at all. And I'm like the bane of teachers. And they're like, really? I'm like, you can do it. I don't care what you do on it. Because it won't matter. And then some of the things I'm like, oh, no, do that because that's team building. That's this. That's this. And it's a really interesting thing. But where from educational point of view do we have to get to? Does there have to be radical ways we train people?”
2019-01-28 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: "The Job" author Ellen Shell · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Work for anybody, or I mean, you know, it was an I mean, I thought about it very carefully because I realized it was not working out for me particularly. But what was interesting about that when I was doing it was there are ways to work without working for people like, but you have to provide, you have to constantly provide something of value to the people I'm working for, right? And so they leave you alone. And I was thinking, it's really hard for most people to do that, to like do that, because it's a much easier to not worry about it.”
2019-01-28 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: "The Job" author Ellen Shell · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“I don't like bosses. I don't like them. I don't like talking to them. I'm rude to them. I just can't help. I can't believe I don't get fired every day. And it's because I know I provide something of value. And so I can do that because I can do it, but I put my, what I did is at one point in my career when I was working for big newspapers, I was like, first of all, they're going downhill. You know, I could see the economics of it. True. And then I was like, I got to put myself in a position where.”
2019-01-28 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: "The Job" author Ellen Shell · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“From all the things that go along with a job or work or a job, right? Well, work, think more broadly in terms of work. Exactly. So you have work, work has many different components, one of which is your job, maybe, or maybe not, you know. But going forward, you need to have a lot of different outlets, a lot of different ways to find purpose in your life. And if you sink it all into your job, there can be some really sad repercussions. And those are becoming increasingly”
2019-01-28 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: "The Job" author Ellen Shell · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Absolutely. I mean, you've made a very good point. I mean, healthcare absolutely should not, I mean, that was a very old idea that came in that health insurance would be provided by her employer, that came around at a time when health care was actually quite cheap. And in those days, it wasn't a big deal for employers to provide healthcare. It also wasn't a huge big deal actually for people to pay out of pocket for healthcare because it was cheap, was much cheaper. Now, of course, most of us can't afford to pay for healthcare out of pocket. So it has to come uncoupled from our employment situation. And I think that many, many people believe that there's Medicare for all has become much more popular just in recent months. This whole idea that would seem very radical just a few years ago is now being taken up by a lot of people really in the middle, right? I mean, not just radicals, because we're seeing this. So, yes, we need to uncouple our job.”
2019-01-28 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: "The Job" author Ellen Shell · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Right. So even if they don't, they want stability, can they have it anymore? I mean, do we have to change the way, like I was saying, do we have to just say that's the way it's going to be? Are there things that legislators or others can add on? Again, like, can we make it so obviously healthcare's got to move with people? Different things benefits and things like that need to move with people.”
2019-01-28 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: "The Job" author Ellen Shell · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“You know, the last century and the beginning of the 21st century, we were all cheering on. We thought, wow, this is great. You can have complete freedom. You can do whatever you want. As it turns out, as I said, most people seeks stability in work. They want to get up in the morning, know where they've got in front of them, know that they're going to get paid for it. This is very important to the vast majority of people. So this gig economy doesn't work for an awful lot of people. And a lot of people are not doing because they want to do it. They're doing it because they don't see a choice.”
2019-01-28 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: "The Job" author Ellen Shell · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“It's a really good question. In the book, I write. So, what does it mean to even be employed Right, and again, what does that even mean? And the idea that people who work one hour a week for Uber are counted as employed is pretty, you know, bizarre to me, right? They're not part of the unemployment, you know, part of the reason our unemployment level is so low right now because so many people have an hour of work here, an hour of work there, but it doesn't sustain them, right? No, it doesn't. And again, when the gig economy got all this, you know, huge amounts of publicity say in the early 2000s, late 1900s.”
2019-01-28 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: "The Job" author Ellen Shell · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Each of whom I thanked personally were terrific Paycheck. So getting into that idea of contract is a gig economy, the people that are working for themselves, they're doing Uber or whatever they happen to be doing here, Airbnb, different things.”
2019-01-28 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: "The Job" author Ellen Shell · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Job, and I expect that paycheck every single week. Well, guess what? The paycheck's just been pulled out. For them, it's a very dramatic shock. In addition, what this is revealed is, as I said before, how many government workers are not earning a terribly good living? Many of these people are contractors. And the federal government actually employs more people at low wages than any other entity. Okay, it's kind of right, mostly in contractors. So these people are basically, you know, they've just had the rug pulled out from under them. Suddenly they have to go to food banks and things like that, whereas many people wouldn't. They'd have a cushion for a month or two. These folks are really, you know, on the edge.”
2019-01-28 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: "The Job" author Ellen Shell · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Yeah, the government TSA people, right? Well, thank goodness I flew here from Boston and the wonderful TSA people, each of whom I thanked personally, were terrific. But you're absolutely right. And I think what this has really brought to light this in a very dramatic way is how many of these government workers are really living from paycheck to paycheck. And that is shocking. I think, you know, there are a couple of things. One of the things, you know, I mentioned before that people seek jobs for different reasons. There's kind of this idea that everybody sees challenge on the job. That's completely false. Some people see challenge on the job, but many people seek more people actually seek stability. Government workers on average seek stability in their job. So this confronting this is a real shock for them. They figure, look, I've given up a lot to get this steady.”
2019-01-28 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: "The Job" author Ellen Shell · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“And there's so many others in the way. I think it's, you know, outrunning the bear. Before the lawyer. You're right. And he's a great chef. And that's what I lit I'll get to you. Well, yeah. It was interesting.”
2019-01-28 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: "The Job" author Ellen Shell · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“for a long, long time and you'll make a lot of money. Well, I have to tell you that computer scientists were trying to. There's a guy At Columbia, who's actually working on digitizing chef dumb, you know.”
2019-01-28 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: "The Job" author Ellen Shell · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“It's a creative job. I was thinking any creative job, and I told my other things, I was like, be a plumber, that'll work out well for a long, long time, and you'll make a lot of money. Well, I have to tell you that.”
2019-01-28 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: "The Job" author Ellen Shell · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“I don't think that's a wise decision for one reason. The vast majority of jobs going forward as they project into the mid.”
2019-01-28 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: "The Job" author Ellen Shell · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Average is most people. Right. Right. So if average is not good enough, we as a people are done for, right? Because we're average. You know, most people are average. So what are they talking about? And so there's this idea out there that you have to constantly retrain. You have to be frenetic and frantic and always be one step ahead of the other guy or he's going to beat you out. That's something I think is a very, very negative and very hopeless situation. And again, one of the reasons I wrote this book is I told you I teach, you know, I teach a Boston University. I teach 20 somethings and they're really literally getting depressed about this. How can they always beat out their roommate and their friends and their cousins, right? And for everything they try to do. So I think that's partly responsible. I've seen candidates on both sides of the aisle promulgate that idea, you know? What we're going to do is we're going to train people and more people are going to.”
2019-01-28 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: "The Job" author Ellen Shell · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Which is very American. I mean, one of the things that really got me going on this book was this idea that was put out there that average is not good enough. I thought, wait, you know, anybody who has a math background knows, I mean, I'm talking average.”
2019-01-28 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: "The Job" author Ellen Shell · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“And I didn't make any money from it, so I'm not going to take it. Okay, okay. Neither should you. No, no, okay. I won't take too much responsibility. But I am a fan of tech. You know, I use it and I'm not, again, not pushing back on it. But I think I don't think it's necessarily tech job to solve this problem, but nor should we cede it to them. We should not say, okay, you guys solve this. You can handle it. We won't think about it. One of the things that I felt was true on both political parties is they kept hammering away at this idea that people should educate themselves out of the problem. You know, it was up to us as individuals to solve this problem on an individual level.”
2019-01-28 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: "The Job" author Ellen Shell · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Okay, so I don't like to ascribe blame because we're all, you know, we're all culpable, right? And not on everything. Okay, I'll agree with you on that.”
2019-01-28 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: "The Job" author Ellen Shell · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Internationally Strengths. How do we do that? Like, who is responsible if you have tech creating these jobs? And I want to get to sort of the Uber-like jobs and things like that. And one of the things I'm going to be writing about soon is something I've actually talked about with the new governor of California, Gavin Newsome, about a lot, is how you change what employment is, like the designation of it. Like, could a state do it because the government's certainly not doing it, the federal government isn't. From your perspective, who's responsible? Is it the government? Is it citizens? Is it the tech companies that have created these inventions that have created these problems? Or is it educators? Like, where does it begin to be solved?”
2019-01-28 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: "The Job" author Ellen Shell · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“And they have a tremendous, tremendously rich history. There's just, I mean, I spent time when the mayor of Berea, Kentucky, who had talked to me about the incredible history they had in dance and the arts and all these things and how he was hoping to bring this to bear on tourism and bringing people into the state at the same time, developing, as I said, these alternative energy systems, bringing broadband in so they could communicate this and sell that stuff internationally. And that's great. So it's not a one size fits all. It's not everyone learning to become a coder. It's looking at what do these each one of these areas have to offer and how can we build on their strengths.”
2019-01-28 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: "The Job" author Ellen Shell · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Exactly. Do we really want to compete with people in India to code? Do we want to spend money, public funds, especially, or have people spend their own hard-earned dollars on learning to code when those opportunities can be easily outsourced? Okay, and that's not going to change. So when I was in Kentucky, I spent a good deal of time there roaming around Appalachia and other parts, and there's a tremendous amount of stuff going on in Kentucky that's indigenous, that's local. What do people do there? Well, there is farming, there are crafts, there is alternative energy, big, big movement in alternative energy, things that are coming, that are growing out of Kentucky itself, out of the state, rather than imposing this sort of international function on the people of Kentucky, what's special about Kentucky, what's special about their heritage, how can they capitalize on what they already have?”
2019-01-28 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: "The Job" author Ellen Shell · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Is that what you said? No, I didn't know. I was like, I don't know. What do we do? So I have some thoughts on that. And one of the thoughts that I have is actually in the New York Times has done a series of articles which I don't agree with. And that is let's bring coding schools to Kentucky. And their governor, who is a staunch Republican, is a big fan of this. Silicon Holler. And we have to think, okay, so we're going to train people up as coders in Kentucky. First of all, what is coding even mean? Most people who promote that sort of thing don't even know what they're talking about when they talk about coding. Coding is a huge, big generic term. Right. Okay. Coding goes on in Asia and India in particular. It's much cheaper. It's faster than earth.”
2019-01-28 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: "The Job" author Ellen Shell · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“I don't care what you say, you're not having these jobs. I said, Your bosses are going to hire the robots. And trust me, they'll hire them in two seconds to replace two seconds. It won't even take them two seconds. It'll be like a millisecond because they don't care about you. And if you think they do, you're as completely stupid now. And it was a really fascinating discussion, got a little difficult at one point. And then they were like, well, what do we do? I'm like, I have no idea. Sorry, goodbye. Is that what you said? No, I didn't know. I was like, I don't know. What do we do?”
2019-01-28 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: "The Job" author Ellen Shell · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Because I was also in Kentucky, and they were like, we want to. And they said, You're not going to have them. I had a huge arm”
2019-01-28 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: "The Job" author Ellen Shell · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Kind of whim, right Although nostalgic, but it does have a hold on it because it leads that kind of not knowing leads to populism, leads to all kinds of things. Because I was also in Kentucky and they were like, we want to bring our coal mining jobs. I said, you don't, you're not going to have them. And they said, well, Donald Trump said, well, he's lying. You're not going to have them. I had a huge argument with a whole bunch of coal people. I'm like,”
2019-01-28 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: "The Job" author Ellen Shell · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“We probably shouldn't go back there. So, how do we go forward understanding that that's just an unrealistic and very naive and nostalgic to me boringly nostalgic kind of whim, right? So where do we go from here? And that's, you know, again, I discussed that.”
2019-01-28 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: "The Job" author Ellen Shell · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“I did find one the other day. I'm like, whoa, look at you. Absolutely. So, autonomous cars. Iterative is actually absolutely right. So in the book, I go to Moreno, Ohio, which was where there was a large automobile plant and the place was empty. It was a ghost town. And not only, you know, the plant, which had thousands and thousands of workers, but all the, as you said, is a domino effect. The people who made the seats, the people who sold the sandwiches, the people who were janitors, the people. So that area was absolutely devastated by the closing of those plants. And you're absolutely right. Now, how are we going to prepare for that, right? We can't, instead of wringing our hands and complaining and saying, let's bring back the coal miners, which I was also in Kentucky. And I can tell you a lot of people whose families worked in coal don't want to get near a lot of the millennials. The last thing they want to do is to do what their grandfather did, right? So we don't necessarily want to go back there. We probably can't go back there.”
2019-01-28 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: "The Job" author Ellen Shell · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Well, no one can predict that, right? And again, computer scientists have all sorts of predictions. They go all over the map on where they think this is going to go. But pretty much people pretty much feel over the next, say, three decades, things are going to change very quickly and very radically, whether it's obviously autonomous cars, right? And 10 million people in the United States make their living driving vehicles. That's huge. And then there's the result.”
2019-01-28 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: "The Job" author Ellen Shell · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“But there's fewer and fewer of them. Absolutely. I think that's a really good point. And I think we need to expand our idea both of what it means to work. I mean, working is not just a job. A job is a subset of work. And I agree with you that we need to expand our idea of what it means to be an entrepreneur because we've kind of perverted that idea and made that idea just, you know, again, associated with tech or biotech or certain things. But being an entrepreneur means doing things of your own volition, you know, starting something of your own or being or having a portfolio that you own, whereas your job might be part of it or your work might be part of it. Other aspects of your life might be part of it. But preparing for work in the 21st century, you're absolutely right. Being an entrepreneur in the broadest sense is pretty critical.”
2019-01-28 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: "The Job" author Ellen Shell · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT