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Eluned Morgan

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  1. “You know, if he thinks you're going wrong, and there is room, it's important to have friends in politics, but you're right when you become a leader, you've got to just be careful in terms of making sure that people are telling you for the right reasons”

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  2. “I think you need people that you can trust who've got your best interests at heart and politics is a tough game and having people like Neil and Glenis who right from the beginning you can imagine I was in university when Neil was leader of the Labour Party he was like a god you know and suddenly I'm kind of hanging out with him it was a real privilege but then getting to know him becoming genuine friends and particularly with Glenys. I mean Glenys was a real inspiration for me. We went to the European Parliament together. We were 15 years together. We shared an office. We shared staff and she was a constant inspiration for me. So that was really important. Neil is always there. He texts me after he sees me making a comment on anything. It's really useful.”

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  3. “I think my upbringing was the thing that fires me up every time. And I was asked to do a speech a few years ago on how to become a baroness, which was a really strange title. And I found that 80% of what I talked about was about that upbringing and what shaped me and what drove me. So that for me is fundamental. But I also left politics to work in the private sector. Now, I went in as a bit of a spy, if I'm honest, just to find out, right, how do they think? Why did they invest? Why don't they invest? And I learned such a lot. I tried to build a wind farm, you know, and, you know, what was it? What are the barriers? So all of that is really, really useful for me now coming in to know this is what we need to do.”

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  4. “Politics of it is really difficult. I represent a rural area, so I've got to be super sensitive to this stuff as well. So there are areas where it's difficult.”

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  5. “Well, it's a real shame because actually we've just taken a long time to come to a good place with the farmers. We're trying to change as a result of leaving the European Union how we finance them. And, you know, it's been quite rocky, but we've actually got to a much better place with them. It's taken a long time. And then the inheritance tax then came in. And look, from what we've seen, it's not going to affect lots of farmers in Wales at all. you know things are”

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  6. “Well, I've got to be careful because on the one hand, of course, he's the same party as me. I'm very proud of what they're managing to do already. But if I have to account every single week for every single thing that Keir does, we're missing the point of devolution. I think I should be held to account for the areas that I have responsibility over.”

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  7. “Well, in Scotland, the crown of state has been devolved. So, all of the money that will come as a result of developing offshore wind will go into Scottish government coffers. In Wales, not the case.”

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  8. “And that's the point. So we had a slip a few years ago And they need to be secured. All of this was pre-devolution. So we shouldn't be clear in the mess that happened from pre-devolution. And to be fair, they put money on the table to help us to clear those coal tips, as indeed they should. So there's a few areas like that where we are making progress. We've got an issue with the Crown Estate, so we've got massive potential to develop offshore wind in Wales. So in Scotland, it's been devolved. What I don't want to see is... When we had with the coal mines where all the wealth is taken out and the people in those communities left nothing”

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  9. “That's certainly one of the things. We had an issue with cold tips, so removal of cold tips. You all remember the terrible ABAVAN tragedy. Climate change is changing what happens is all of those coal tips. We have thousands of them.”

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  10. “Oh, HS2 for a start. I mean, it came on the lovely Elizabeth line this morning. Lovely. And I just think it all comes to London. It all comes to London. The infrastructure projects, you know, I want to see the wealth in terms of infrastructure and rail infrastructure be spread better throughout the country. HS2 was classified as a Wales and England project. It's not an inch of it in Wales. I mean, it's just outrageous and love him. I remind Keer Stalmer of that every single time I see him. It's got to be sorted.”

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  11. “Yeah, but also we've seen a difference already. So the fact that we were able to give inflation busting pay rises to over 100,000 people in the public sector in Wales, that couldn't have happened without that massive injection of cash that happened over the summer. The Tories, they said that they were going to give us support to Tata and the steelworks that closed down. And they were trumpeting all of this support that was going to be given 80 million quid. They hadn't accounted for it in their budget. I mean, they just didn't tell the truth on it. And so, again, Labour had to go and fill that one. That's part of the 22 billion pound hole that they kept on saying needed to be filled. So all of those things, it is making a difference. Listen, there's loads of areas where we disagree, you know.”

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  12. “Well, I mean, there are challenges because, you know, I'm asked in First Minister's questions now on a weekly basis to account for everything Keir Starmer's doing. So, yeah, in that sense, it's difficult. I mean, I'm trying to give them lessons in how devolution works, which is fascinating, you know, trying to tell Play Cameron, this is how it works, right? I'm responsible for this, and he is responsible for that.”

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  13. “Right, there's a real lack of understanding, but again, you know, my focus is on come on, let's sort it out in Wales before we go anywhere else. So I love your enthusiasm, Rory. I applaud it. I'll focus on Wales if you want to champion that across England, you be my guest.”

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  14. “Well, it was probably about 450,000 or so. What's happened is it's been dying forever. It's been dying for a century. And what's happened now is it's leveled out.”

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  15. “We're trying to do that in Wales to start. So let's try that to start, shall we? So, you know, even within the civil service, it's like, come on, guys, answer the phone, say Boradat, you know, so I'd like to just start in Wales, if you don't mind, Rory, and just look to the rest of the country after that, because we've got an ambition. We've got about 500,000 people who speak Welsh now. 500,000. 500,000. But we've got an ambition to get it to a million by 2050. What was your growing up?”

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  16. “In relation to that, and you know, we've gone from one primary school now in Cardiff to about 26. So it's a massive, there's huge growth, real transformation when it comes to an understanding that actually this language belongs to us all. Let's all have a little piece of it.”

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  17. “So, my mum is from West Wales, and I represent West Wales, and my mother tongue is Welsh, but we were brought up in this really... Anglicized area, so hardly anyone, I think there were two or three families out of 30,000 people spoke Welsh on the estate. So I was sent to a Welsh language comp. But the primary school, and this was very unusual at the time, there's only one Welsh language primary school in the Holocaust at the time. And, you know, I used to take a bus to school. And there were people literally lying in the streets and throwing stones at six-year-old kids going into school because they didn't want a Welsh language school in their area. Amazing There was a lot of anti-Welsh language feeling around at the time from Welsh people. Is”

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  18. “Do you know what? It was quite good at the health minister level. So Matt Hancock and Sadij Javid were really serious. We met very regularly. It was a good relationship. The moment Sajid left though, it all fell apart. I don't think I met a health minister for two years after that. And when we did have a brief meeting, he came out and threw me under a bus on a radio program. Not great for developing relationships. I mean, it fell apart after that. But during the COVID pandemic, it was actually really constructive, yeah.”

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  19. “Who was the we? Yeah, I got into trouble with my husband on that one because it was a fruity language and I promised him a good Christian girl. I'm sorry about that. But there we go. I think that was an exchange I had with my counterparts in Northern Ireland. And I think it's when Omicron hit. In December, and we thought, oh my God, what's coming at us now? And none of us knew what it meant, what was going to happen. And there was another occasion as well when there was a new variant, I think, in France. And nobody knew quite what it was and how it was going to happen. And at the same time, the Tory government was going”

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  20. “Those reforms are not going to happen overnight. Try and get digital transformation done in the NHS where all the systems talk to each other. They're a really practical issues like, are there enough technicians? It's not even about everybody wants these people. Everybody wants digital tech people and there's not enough of them around. We're in a competitive market when it comes to the NHS as well in terms of that transformation that needs to happen. And AI as well is potentially transformative.”

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  21. “Well, that's the challenge how you get that balance in the right place without the kind of resources that you really need.”

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  22. “So, part of the problem is you need to ideally run two systems at the same time while you're doing a transition, and for that you need a lot of money. And that's the challenge. And I know health just had a big uplift, but actually once you take inflation to account, people's pay, 65% of what we spend on health, certainly in Wales, goes straight into people's salaries, 10% on medicines, price of medicines going through the roof, all of these things. And in Wales, don't forget, you get free prescriptions.”

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  23. “So already things like, for example, we've changed the GP contract, so it's very difficult in England, iron stand, to get GP appointment. We've changed the contract in World So that 8am bottleneck has largely disappeared because we've changed the contract dentists, we've changed the contract for dentists. So we've already introduced about 380,000 new NHS dental appointments. We've shifted. So optometry. You can go to your local optometrist and not get your eyes tested, but they're checked for lots of health conditions, pharmacies. So we started on that journey with pharmacies a long time ago. You can get help for 27 different conditions in the community now in your pharmacy. I think it's about seven in England. So all of those things are helping to keep people out of secondary care.”

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  24. “Oh, some of that was about compromise, if we're honest. We wanted to expand the Senate. If you want to make those fundamental constitutional changes, you need two-thirds majority. And we had to do a deal with Ply Cymru. So that was part of the reason why we did that.”

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  25. “Well, because it was really difficult to get our Senate to function properly. You literally had four people on a committee and they had to serve on three different committees.”

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  26. “Going to change entirely our method of campaigning. And nobody's done this in Britain in the way. So we're, you know, we're talking to our continental allies about how does this work? What's the best way to win these elections? Because it's a new system. But I think it should invigorate the party in those communities that are all sent out to the marginal seats in an election. So, you know, I think they're all ready to get going on their own doorsteps for a change. And I think that'll be a great thing.”

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  27. “Yeah, look, we've already taken one tier of government out, and obviously we don't have any Euro MPs anymore. We've also just had a number of MPs cut from Wales from 40 to 32. So, and actually the power now, a lot of the power, is in the Senate. So it makes sense for us to make sure that it grows. You're right, we've got real challenges around quite how many local authorities we have. But again, that's very difficult to crack.”

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  28. “So the slack is always where's the bit that you can cut and the bit you can cut is the planned care side of things. But that's what then leads to a change. But I tell you what, the amount of work that's done in the Health Service in Wales is quite remarkable. You know, we have 2 million contacts a month in a population of 3 million people a month. It's just quite remarkable. You know, the vast majority of people are getting a really good service, but because we've started to do that shift, then you're waiting the do start to go up. And, you know, it's a balance. But if you don't do it, you're never going to fix the problem.”

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  29. “We're about seven years into a strategic health plan which does exactly that. It's shifting the balance. Hospitals into the community is getting into the prevention space, it's moving to digital. The real challenge is, you know, at the same time as you do in that, your waiting lists are going up. And that's where the public focus.”

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  30. “Well, make sure the health system works properly. You know, they were really upset with us at the time about the introduction of 20 miles an hour in certain places. It's all that kind of stuff that really upsets them day in, day out on their streets. You know, they thought some of our town centres were scruffy. Those kind of bread and butter issues that we're sometimes distracted from. And when you've been in power for 25 years, you can see that you might get distracted. So I've said, come on, let's get back to bread and butter. And that's what we're doing now.”

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  31. “I think the message is not unexpected it's focus on the things that matter to us in our lives day in, day out, and don't get distracted by the other stuff.”

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  32. “Just ask people what they wanted. What did they think we should prioritize? And it was raw, and it was dirty, and it was, what do you want us to do? And, you know, I've come back now before I pointed anybody to the cabinet. I said, you've got to sign up to these priorities because this is what the public told us.”

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  33. “I don't think we've ever taken them for granted in Wales, and don't forget we've been a winner in Wales for 102 years, 102 years. This is a successful machine. But one of the things I've done since coming in is the first thing I did was I did this big listening exercise. I just got out on the streets all around Wales and literally.”

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  34. “They're not really perceived as a Welsh part. They seem very much as a kind of British English party. It's quite a bigger part.”

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  35. “So we've got more people, but yeah, on the new system, it will be a proportional system. We have a semi-proportional system at the moment. I'm elected as a regional member proportional basis. And so, you know, we had UKIP members in the parliament. They fell apart the moment they walked in there. You know, there were three different parties by the end of the five years they were in there. So giving them the space to make a fool of themselves, you know, I mean, it's difficult because you don't want them to get in in the first place, but at least between now and then and the election, we're going to have an opportunity to really scrutinize them, to look at what are they going to do. They give simple answers to really complex questions. And I think you've got to take them on.”

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  36. “So we're going from 60 members to 96 members because actually we've had all of these additional powers and we just don't have enough people to actually run the parliament to do the scrutiny and things. It's a really practical issue there.”

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  37. “Look, if you don't provide a platform for them to at least be able to express their views, and then you can take them apart on it, you finish up with Trump. So, you know, you can't ignore the elephant in the room. I think you've got to take it on. And, you know, we're going to have a change of a system now that means that we'll go from the least well-represented parliament in Britain to being at least middle tier.”

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  38. “The referendum on, you know, freedom of movement, you know, being able to use your mobile phone, all of this thing. He wasn't going to do any of those things. And so it's very difficult. It's a complicated argument to demonstrate to that bloke in the shop how it was going to affect his life.”

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  39. “Think as political leaders in Wales, we've always made it clear we were really disappointed with the result. The people in our country also voted against. Now, I'm not sure if they would today, but I'm still not sure if they would understand the connection with their lives. I remember on the day of the referendum itself, you know, finally going into a shop and asking the guy behind the counter, you know, if you voted, he said, yeah, I voted. And he said, I voted against. And I said, what do you do that for? And he said, well, it's not going to impact on my life. And it just made me think, it just made me put myself in his position. And I thought, actually, lots of things we sold.”

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  40. “No, I don't. I think there was something wrong with the way the Conservatives managed the economic system. It's incredible, you know, that people like Liz Truss wanted to go even further. I believe in intervening in the market. I believe that actually we have a responsibility and the market's got to work for the people. It's not going to be the other way around. I'm very clear that the model is okay, how you manage the model is the challenge.”

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  41. “I don't think austerity helps because the first places are cut are the things that touch people's lives and they've been feeling it and for that to happen for a couple of years or something but for it to happen for a decade or more that is really hurting people and it's affecting people and you know that whole build up to Brexit I think where people get their information from you know what they're hearing I think all of that stuff has all come at the same time so I do think we've got a challenge in terms of how we communicate and how we reach into people's lives now”

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  42. “Utter disconnect from the people making policy here in London, cosmopolitan, you know, multicultural from the kind of societies that I represent Mid and West Wales. So a long way from London. And even Cardiff, you know, you've got to get out of Cardiff to get a sense of what people on the streets were thinking. It wasn't good.”

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  43. “There's this interview with this guy standing in Blaine Aguenti, and they didn't do anything for us, and he's standing in front of a college entirely paid for by the European Union, all the courses paid for by the European Union, a leisure centre next-door patriot. And you just think, my God, you know, so we obviously didn't do a very good job at telling people how the European Union was touching their lives. But what was interesting for me was at the time I was in the House of Lords and I was leading for Labour in the House of Lords on the Brexit referendum bill. And I just remember thinking, God, they're being complacent here. I remember speaking to people from the FCO, there was no sense of panic or preparation. And, you know, I was going home to Wales every weekend and canvassing and it was bad. It was really bad on the streets. And it was that.”

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  44. “I think we were never great at connecting what was happening there with the lives of people in our communities. Although ironically in Wales, of everywhere, everywhere you look. Their flag was everywhere. And I remember straight after the referendum, you know, there's this.”

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  45. “Was amazing, and I was 27 years old, youngest member of the European Parliament. And it was a really exciting time. And then a couple of years later, we had the Labour government, and that shifted the dynamic again. So all of that was really exciting. And, you know, I watched as those new countries came in, first of all, I think Finland and Sweden, you know, the language changed. The language of the corridors when I started was French. And after those three other countries came, it switched to English. So it was really interesting. And then, of course, Eastern Europeans came in, and that really switched it entirely again. So it was a really exciting time to be a part of that. But the story came to an end in a really sad way. I'd left the European Parliament by then. But, you know, I was devastated by the vote, particularly in Wales, you know, very, very disappointed after Wales had received massive sums from the European Union.”

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  46. “That compromise to get things done, even if you're not getting to the ideal that you want to get to, I think is fundamental.”

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  47. “So I went into the European Parliament at a really interesting time. It was 1994, so the single market was just being developed, you know, trying to make sure we could all buy and sell goods across the nations and what did that look like in terms of the impact on the social contract with society. All of those things were really important. Also, the structure of how it worked. The only way you could get things done was by compromising with people who you didn't necessarily agree with. So that approach to politics, which is, you've got to compromise, you want to get something done, you might inch ahead rather than march ahead. That's an approach that I understood there. It's certainly something that works, as you know, in the House of Lords, and it's something that we have to practice as well in the Welsh Parliament. We've never had a majority in the Welsh Parliament.”

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  48. “I think if you don't have hope, you're going to lose your motivation to do anything. So hope for me is fundamental. And hope for everyone. That's the other thing. It's got to be hope that touches the lives of people who currently are in despair and who struggle with their daily lives. Where's the hope that we can offer them as a society? And that certainly, for me, something that motivates me and is in that Christian philosophy.”

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  49. “I think it's shaped everything and the thinking and my motivation. You know, I think it's through that example that I saw through my parents. My husband, who has just retired as a GP, is also now a priest in the Anglican Church. So, you know, I'm absolutely surrounded by it. For me, it's an important touchstone for me to just kind of check where I am in terms of decision-making is like a little voice on my shoulder all the time just making sure I'm in the right place, I guess.”

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  50. “That's right. And George Thomas, for example, so he was the MP before, he's the one who I think helped to persuade my dad to go into politics.”

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