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Emily Bell

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“Yeah, I mean, there hasn't been much of a Biden campaign to assess so far, but I'm afraid I'd go with Phil on this, which is the Democrats have been horrible at this for a long time, possibly because they just won't go as far as they need to. If you talk to Democratic Consultants, they say, you know, the Trump campaign is still way better at this than we are. We need to wise up. But I think that also means that if they do wise up, we're in for a really horrible set of divisive campaigns.”
2020-05-27 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Phil Howard and Emily Bell · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“No, no. No. I'm just saying. Holding the course is the way, because I do believe that by not communicating clearly and consistently and sticking to facts, more people will suffer, and I might hope that they would associate that with the political leaders, that suffering with the political leaders who are making poor choices.”
2020-05-27 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Phil Howard and Emily Bell · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“The Trump campaign has years of experience on this, and I haven't had a close look at Biden's organization at the moment, but I think Trump has the platform and the ability to generate the craziest stuff. I hate to just appeal to people's rationality, but Biden has going for him a higher degree of rationality and argument. And I'm worried that that's actually a handicap”
2020-05-27 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Phil Howard and Emily Bell · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Problems of our society. I think as I write a lot, is it accelerates and it amplifies is the issue when people were talking about the people in Wisconsin, everyone's like, oh my God, I'm like whiskey rebellion anybody? Right? Like these are the same people. It's the same. Those are dead. Those are dead people. These are the new versions of those things. And I think there's always been that strain running through the U.S. culture of don't tread on me. I mean, come on, don't tread on me. Like, it's the same. It's taken to an awful extreme and bad shirts in this case. Last question. How do both of you, how did the Trump campaign stack up against the Biden campaign, Phil?”
2020-05-27 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Phil Howard and Emily Bell · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“I've missed them, and that, I think, kind of takes us into an area of thinking about how we reform these things, not just in terms of what do Facebook's terms of use say, but how are we going to deal with society? So I think that this is, again, about getting to root causes. And, you know, in some ways, I wish I really hope we're not talking about misinformation in the same way in four years' time because I do think it's a kind of distraction from the much deeper issues.”
2020-05-27 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Phil Howard and Emily Bell · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“I'm worried that that's not happening and that we're seeing things like you haven't heard of Boogaloo. There are plenty of people with guns on their backs in Michigan who've heard of Boogaloo.”
2020-05-27 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Phil Howard and Emily Bell · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Yeah, I would say that the number one thing is just kind of groups and our inability to look inside them. I would say number two thing is I'm just really worried about how these things now are increasingly playing out in the real world. And we're going to have a pretty unstable and economically very depressed situation for the foreseeable future. And what worries me really is just that we don't have an adequate answer to this kind of riling up of the base and all the way there's no so coordination among the platforms I think is one of the things that again we should see lots more of because these things are going to start happening more and more in real life and I sort of worry that we haven't taken them seriously enough and we're worried about things like amplification quite rightly as you say Cara we don't want to look at these maybe if we don't look at them they will go”
2020-05-27 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Phil Howard and Emily Bell · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Well, for me, it's the migration of misinformation into visual platforms, into Instagram, that is the big story. I think even today we've been talking mostly about Twitter and Facebook, but our work with the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence found that most of the Russian misinformation was generated after 2016, not before, and that most of it had migrated onto Instagram. And there really is no data sharing from Instagram, and none of us have a sense of what they do to monitor content. And figuring out what visual misinformation looks like. So these are, we've all seen these, right? These are images where somebody's typed in white text or made little edits to the images to made up. They can be turned into groups.”
2020-05-27 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Phil Howard and Emily Bell · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Because it's the organic content that seems to have the most reach, the most impact. So it's those human trolls, the paid labs in Poland or Brazil or different parts of the states. That's the content that actually has most of the political impact. And I think the firms want us to talk about ads, but I think that since 2016, this is what's changed, those ad buys are not having the impact that the organic stuff does.”
2020-05-27 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Phil Howard and Emily Bell · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Which I think that's good. The other thing is pre vetting. So, you know, here's a fun statistic that listeners have decode will know about, which is that, you know, the Trump campaign around 55 million different ads in the last six months of the 2016 campaign. So one of the things that is legitimate to say is we can't possibly pre-vet those ads. Well, is it such a great idea that you can nano-target and manipulate images and messages so kind of infinitely that you're not now kind of broadcasting to a nation or shouting lies from the street corner, you are whispering them into people's ears. So I think that's the number one problem with all of this is just like not knowing what these ads are and not knowing who they are reaching and having no way to tell that has to be fixed.”
2020-05-27 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Phil Howard and Emily Bell · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“I mean, one thing I would like to see, which would actually stop a lot of this, is first of all, you can't target, might be one thing. Right.”
2020-05-27 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Phil Howard and Emily Bell · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“I would put into place a sort of a policy that allowed for the promotion of high quality content, right? I think it's usually easy to agree on what the high quality independent professional journalism broadly looks like, and then it's usually easy to agree what the worst of the drek looks like. There's sources in the middle that take a lot of debate, but a straightforward whitelist of the top 20 news sources promoting these kinds of things algorithmically would seem to be a core part of the solution.”
2020-05-27 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Phil Howard and Emily Bell · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“For the school board, I'm a politician, right? And I could say the most crazy incorrect things as part of my political campaign and pay to have them promoted on Facebook and nobody would fact-check them because that's their policy. I mean, it's nuts.”
2020-05-27 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Phil Howard and Emily Bell · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“I like none of them because they kind of speak to sort of throwing your hands up in the air and saying we can't really have sensible regulation about this. And actually there are plenty of functioning democracy, well, kind of Britain used to be one. Functioning democracies that have pretty tight advertising rules around when you can and can't advertise. But Phil's right, you know, one of the things that the platforms really should be tackling is provenance. So when you're reading a local news story and it's paid for by a political pack, you have no idea that that's the case at the moment. It's almost impossible to find that out just from Facebook or any of the social platforms. So I think that before you regulate, you have to measure. I do think actually one thing that Facebook did, which was good, was have an ad transparency archive around political advertising. So at least we can see it now. But if they're not going to stop anybody who is, so if you're running, what's a politician?”
2020-05-27 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Phil Howard and Emily Bell · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“I do think they should be held responsible if they're advertising something that is patently false and certainly risking public health. Yes, I would treat them as a publisher in that respect. I do think the social media firms are publishers.”
2020-05-27 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Phil Howard and Emily Bell · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“I don't think that's a good thing to do in democracies. I think it's important to take political advertising, but to insist on good financial declarations so that we can tell who's paid for the advertising and not check whether they're”
2020-05-27 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Phil Howard and Emily Bell · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Yeah, I think Twitter is really so many journalists on it that actually kind of is a professionalized part of it now. I think there are fewer people actually getting their misinformation from Twitter, but it's just exposed to a much sort of larger number of politicians and journalists who then go on to write about it or use it on their cable news shows.”
2020-05-27 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Phil Howard and Emily Bell · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Well, Twitter's much harder to manage. I think they've, in the last six months, they've been pretty good about sharing data now when they catch a significant campaign of misinformation. They do take it down and tell us all about it. But Twitter is a little stuck in that one of the most significant sources of COVID misinformation is the president. And his account probably does violate the Twitter's community standards, but they also have a policy that public figures who deserve. Exactly, newsworthy, they must be kept up. So that is why Trump still uses Twitter so effectively.”
2020-05-27 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Phil Howard and Emily Bell · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Yeah, and our sort of experience as researchers that we do, I mean, you have to manually join like thousands of these things. It's very depressing. But our experience of that is that these things just sort of live and circulate in normal conversation. And unless Facebook is going to wade into those groups and go, you can't talk about this, which is incidentally it's not going to do, they're not going to do. So ironically, all of this, we must fight misinformation. They've literally been building misinformation factories within their own apps. And that is utterly crazy.”
2020-05-27 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Phil Howard and Emily Bell · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“WhatsApp groups, Facebook groups, and interrogate things like Instagram stories because, you know, kind of like they just don't allow you to look at the kind of content within there. So we've had to.”
2020-05-27 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Phil Howard and Emily Bell · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“We're talking about things that Facebook hasn't done. So two things. One thing it has done is it's purchased a lot of dissent. It's given a lot of money to research centers, not mine, I should say. And to Orfields and to journalism outlets. But what it hasn't done is it hasn't stopped new places where this can form. So actually one of the strategies of Facebook, which also owns Instagram and WhatsApp, has been to push more and more creation of content into what they call stories, which are these ephemeral things that you post and they last for a few hours and then they disappear. And into these kind of closed groups. So groups are everything. If you go on to Facebook, you spend any time pretending that you live in Facebook world, you're assailed by, you know, so many things saying it's great to create a group. And it's for researchers and journalists, it's very hard to get into.”
2020-05-27 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Phil Howard and Emily Bell · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“They've done a better job on the virus, and we've compared for about two weeks ago we did a study of how many stories that had been debunked, so stories that had been fact-checked remain on Facebook and remain on Twitter. And Facebook's number... Are not bad. I think it was 40 45% of the stories that had clearly been debunked are still there on Facebook in some way. But Twitter's numbers were much worse. Something like two-thirds of the fact-checked stories were still there. On Twitter and for other platforms that are doing even better. So I think Facebook's trying hard and they're an important outlet. It's important to also remember that most young people aren't using Facebook, right? So we can talk about it, but it's It is Instagram and it is TikTok, and it's a range of other platforms that I'm not even on. We have no data on those.”
2020-05-27 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Phil Howard and Emily Bell · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“All right, plasters are band-aids for those who are not British. All right, Phil, what do you think how Facebook is behaving? They were sort of at the center of your book and everything else. What do you think they have done?”
2020-05-27 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Phil Howard and Emily Bell · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Yeah, and that's because actually to be proactive, they would have to change targeting, they would have to change how they sell ads. They would have to change all the things that make them money. And they are not going to do that. So at the moment, there's just this frenzy of sort of sticking plasters over basically kind of like they should be curing cancer and they're kind of putting kind of band-aids on things.”
2020-05-27 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Phil Howard and Emily Bell · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Wrote about it, which I think you and I share some feelings on, which again just feels to me like, yes, okay, great, that they're finally thinking about how they moderate their platforms. But, you know, I think they're getting better at automated detection. They're getting better at taking these things down when they're flagged, etc. Well, they're not particularly getting much better at is being ahead of the curve or redoing some...”
2020-05-27 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Phil Howard and Emily Bell · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“But then, when you actually look at how much material is fact checked, it's a tiny, tiny number of things that Facebook push out to. It's like a few hundred a month of pieces of content that get fact-checked. And then you have this very grand Facebook Oversight Board, which was launched last week with 130 million dollar budget.”
2020-05-27 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Phil Howard and Emily Bell · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“So here's the thing that slightly bothers me, which is you know, it is four years since the 2016 election. I'm looking for the really big wins in fighting misinformation, which is the thing that the platforms have been telling us that they are doing and we should all be doing as well. So what Facebook has done is it's slightly got its act together internally. It's much better now at taking down what they call kind of big networks of coordinated in authentic activity. They recently sort of deleted networks of pages in places like Africa and the Middle East. So some of that kind of troll activity that Phil was describing in the 2016 election has gone. What they're just not very good doing is sorting out their policy around this political stuff. So political advertising is pretty much exempted from being fact-checked. They've told us that fact-checking has been front and center of certainly their PR strategy around this.”
2020-05-27 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Phil Howard and Emily Bell · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Oh, Roger Waters from Pink Floyd. He is disappointing. I know it's all our heroes, Phil. He's another person who has used his large platform of middle-aged men to”
2020-05-27 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Phil Howard and Emily Bell · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“And then it's just regular people who see something and pass it on, right? Like someone like Woody Harrelson, though you're talking about that may see something and it strikes a fancy in them. And they do that without really. actually having committed feelings about it necessarily.”
2020-05-27 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Phil Howard and Emily Bell · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Alex Jones is sort of the absolute kind of, he is the epicentral, he's the grandfather of all of this. There is a right-wing politician. She is standing for office who was proliferating the hashtag film Your Hospital, which was drive past the front door of your hospital and film it because it's quiet and nobody's there and therefore coronavirus is a hoax. And obviously that's because hospitals had shut their main receptions and everybody was going through the ER entrance. But that was actually pretty effective. I will remember her name in a minute. So while Phil thinks of, well, Phil thinks of something else who we shouldn't be following.”
2020-05-27 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Phil Howard and Emily Bell · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“I'm sort of, well, I don't know, I was so disappointed when MIA turned out to be a sort of celebrity that was spreading some of the, so she's a big, she was a big 5G conspiracy theorist and I love paper planes. It's a great tune. But, you know, kind of there are people like that, Woody Harrelson was on the hook for that as well, though I think he did actually kind of take it down and apologize. You have, I'm trying to think actually, kind of there's...”
2020-05-27 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Phil Howard and Emily Bell · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Right, it's really interesting that the flat earthers are how you take a break because they're Let's talk, let's do some flat earthers. All right, I want to finish the section. Well, then who are those influencers? Obviously Trump is one that sets out. I know there was. Many books on this, but they bubble up to him and then they bubble back down. I mean, once he move through the conservative circles, for example, who are the influencers? Trump would have to be one of them, correct? Because he's always tossing out all kinds of different weird conspiracy theories, like the Joe. Scarborough thing, this and that on and I didn't want to repeat that because that's just appalling to do.”
2020-05-27 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Phil Howard and Emily Bell · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“It's very similar in that it was tough for us to tell the difference between the arguments and the evidence that's assembled by flat earthers and the arguments and evidence that's assembled by people who want to use bleach to treat the coronavirus.”
2020-05-27 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Phil Howard and Emily Bell · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“And I think one of the important turning points always comes when there's a major, like I said earlier, there's a major Hollywood star or another politician or someone else who's not an expert who retweets forwards and passes along. That bolstered with some tens of thousands of fake accounts will help create the buzz you need. You know, as a team, we're about a dozen people for a joke, for a little bit of relief a couple of months ago, we decided to study the flat earth movement to see if it would be just give us a break from working on this stuff. And”
2020-05-27 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Phil Howard and Emily Bell · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Absolutely. He was speculating, asking questions, giving instructions. Not alleged, disinfectant. Disinfect there, right? And a variety of ways to take them or treat them. There's also light. That was the light query, query about how light could be induced within the body. And it all generates these sort of nonsense applications of possible easy fixes for what is a very difficult problem that's going to take time to resolve. And with a little bit of conversation in some of the dark corners on the internet, it's now fairly easy to produce, as Emily said, a short documentary to produce a Twitter stream of evidence with links to scientific papers that don't actually address the topics at hand.”
2020-05-27 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Phil Howard and Emily Bell · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“I didn't have a weapon, giving the signals. Lastly, Phil, and then I want to get to the election in the next section, bleach. What happened with that, or Trump said this for unknown reasons, what occurred then? It went all over the place. And then people were...”
2020-05-27 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Phil Howard and Emily Bell · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“So, if you go and have a look on any social platform, I mean any social, go and look at Instagram, look up the hashtag boogaloo meme, and there will be a whole load of young men and old men, usually men, occasionally women, wearing Hawaiian shirts, which is another kind of signal of this, carrying arms. They're all NRA members, they're gun buyers, and the boogaloo meme is, you know, you need to prep because they're going to come and take our guns and then we need to go to war. And this is, you know, this is now again being used by preppers, conspiracy theorists, but it's also being used by people who want to sell arms and sell ammunition. And it's being used by political groups that want to drive division in swing stakes, you know.”
2020-05-27 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Phil Howard and Emily Bell · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“You don't know the boogaloo me. No, please go right. Oh, so the Boogaloo hashtag is a word for the coming second civil war.”
2020-05-27 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Phil Howard and Emily Bell · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Yeah, potentially. Yes, exactly, and conflating them with hyperpartisan politics. So, you know, another, it's not a conspiracy, but if you look at the boogaloo meme, I mean, that's one which is. What is that one? I don't know.”
2020-05-27 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Phil Howard and Emily Bell · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Catapulted into the center of it's come out of a lab and look here's a paper that proves it. So, you know, kind of, it's not as clear cut as this is all bad stuff and disinformation. And we should never talk about it. But there's clearly some of it which is just, you know, now turning into physically threatening.”
2020-05-27 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Phil Howard and Emily Bell · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Yeah, let's talk about it. Let's talk about did it actually come from a lab? There was a paper in nature a number of years ago which now has to appear incidentally with a flag at the top of it saying do not misinterpret this paper. And the paper is about the risks of experimenting with viruses from animals, specifically bat viruses in labs and saying, you know, there is a cost-benefit analysis of this, which is these viruses are being ramped up in lab situations in order to figure out what to do if they break out. But one day they're going to break out. And that's a perfectly rational and good and interesting paper designed for the readership of nature, which is a very serious science magazine, where people reading it would attach the appropriate doubt and the right kind of critical questions to it.”
2020-05-27 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Phil Howard and Emily Bell · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“On this, where she was talking about, it's actually really important that we have what we call sense making conversations where things are unclear. Those are healthy things for society to have. But because of kind of Armania about mis and disinformation and the worry about what it can do, we've kind of stopped having those sense-making conversations or we're making it harder for them to take place. And some of that, I think, is really interesting. It's a huge challenge for journalism.”
2020-05-27 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Phil Howard and Emily Bell · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Here's the thing, which is yes, that's absolutely right, and people should not take it in the people who did take it and self-medicated with it died. But it does reside in this grey area of bad science. And some of that, again, is just well motivated speculation. Oh, maybe this does work. You can't buy heartburn drugs at the moment because for motor deen is also something that has been touted as possibly a way of treating coronavirus, but that's because doctors are throwing everything at this. When you have desperately sick people, you will try everything. That's a big difference between, you know, go home and drink some bleach, which is incidentally everybody very bad idea. And so some of these conspiracy theories, and you know, they have in them a grain of truth or experimentation. And there's a really smart academic call Kate Starbird, who works at the University of Washington, who wrote a great”
2020-05-27 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Phil Howard and Emily Bell · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Risk. So, in that way, Emily, hydroxychloroquine. Which is a real drug, and there are doctors that have used it, and it's not in effect as a malaria drug. How that started. It went from, it was Trump was there. I think Elon Musk talked about it. But it went on and on. And I actually was like, I think this thing hurts your heart. I think what I can tell, there's no, and I got attacked like crazy. And I was like, these people aren't real. And of course, now it's turned out. not a doctor but I was correct in my assessment of the studies.”
2020-05-27 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Phil Howard and Emily Bell · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“A stake backed media agency legitimate by asking the question. So if RT publishes a piece, what was Bill Gates' role in the development of the coronavirus? The answer is none, but if they still write two hundred and fifty words about it in English, that'll generate a URL, you know, a website address that can then be easily copied and pasted in the multiple social media feeds.”
2020-05-27 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Phil Howard and Emily Bell · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“I think that's fair to say. And that's because he's been investing it a long time in health, public health, and trying to cure malaria. I don't actually know why he in particular was chosen as a target. Perhaps it's because he has this backstory that can be filled in. And I think Emily's right. It's creating the backstory to a conspiracy that doesn't really exist involves having incomplete details and slightly photos or absences in the calendar where we don't know where Gates was for a few months in 2005. And all these things make it possible for different kinds of actors to create a big narrative. And then there are specific platforms where they go to coordinate on the narrative, right? So that the release dates for new nuggets of information are somewhat timed. And the really dangerous thing for creating a big story is to have some of the domestic white supremacists, ultra-conservatives release this stuff and then have”
2020-05-27 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Phil Howard and Emily Bell · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“And it's about what he describes as the greatest crime ever of trying to derail his presidency. But there's no specific allegations. He just keeps saying it was Obama, all caps, you can imagine that. The biggest political crime in American history by far are exclamation marks. And these are these kind of, so this is where if you think about these conspiracy groups like QAnon, where you have kind of groups of interest online, dozens of groups on Facebook that discuss these conspiracy theories about how Trump is here to save everybody from this liberal conspiracy. Things like Obama Gate are just dog whistles into groups like that. And the lack of details enable the crazy elements to fill in with whatever they want. It's like it seems like... Yeah, so whatever.”
2020-05-27 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Phil Howard and Emily Bell · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Think the Obama gate you're referring to car is just this series of mystery tweets from your president because I'm not a citizen yet where Trump has tweeted, I think, about something like over 100 tweets.”
2020-05-27 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Phil Howard and Emily Bell · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“They're perennials mostly because they're the most high profile Democrats at the moment, even with Biden as a clear candidate. I think Obama will always be targeted by the ultra-conservatives and white supremacists, and Hillary Clinton will always be the target for voters who don't want to see a woman in office and aren't particularly impressed with female journalists or prominent feminist thinkers. Obama's been involved in multiple stories, right? Starting with birthers, and in fact that was probably one of the largest national level conspiracy theories that Trump picked up and inspired, motivated, pushed.”
2020-05-27 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Phil Howard and Emily Bell · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“So Obamagate, you know what it is. I don't know what it is. Nobody knows what it is. this idea but but we talk about the various Obama ones because they're back again Hillary and Obama are perennials essentially”
2020-05-27 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Phil Howard and Emily Bell · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT