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Emily Ratajkowski

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“I think it's a personal decision whether or not they want to put their stories in the world. I hope that by doing so myself that they'll feel they'll learn to digest their own experience in a way that eradicates shame. It doesn't have to be a book you publish, but I do think telling your story even just to someone that you are close to and trust can be the only way to move past it.”
2023-04-01 · Intelligence Squared · Emily Ratajkowski on Feminism, Capitalism, and Exploitation · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Not yet. I did have the director from a music video was fact-checked and she said to me, well, don't you remember I said like we can stop the shoot, which was so interesting to me because I don't remember her saying that, which doesn't mean that she didn't say it, but it's an empty offer. It was an empty offer. We couldn't have stopped a shoot.”
2023-04-01 · Intelligence Squared · Emily Ratajkowski on Feminism, Capitalism, and Exploitation · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“I talk about something I feel cynical about The political system is brutal and the way politics works are quite brutal. But maybe.”
2023-04-01 · Intelligence Squared · Emily Ratajkowski on Feminism, Capitalism, and Exploitation · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“I mean I don't know I want to see what happens with this book, what the response of publishing my story is like I'm scared I'm nervous because it's been it was such an incredibly cathartic healing experience to write it and I'm not sure if publishing it will be the same way So I hope that coming out of this I will want to write more. Maybe it'll be fiction instead of nonfiction personal essays just in a way to sort of protect myself. But I'd like to work on projects where I can tell stories that feel impactful and I can be in as much control as possible.”
2023-04-01 · Intelligence Squared · Emily Ratajkowski on Feminism, Capitalism, and Exploitation · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Yeah, and also just survive but also succeed. So that's the reality of it. And again, it's the same sort of thing with the canceling. I feel like the way that we try to pick people apart and say, you know, well, you can't do that and that. You can't believe that Bernie Sanders should be taxing billionaires and also want to make money. It's not fair.”
2023-04-01 · Intelligence Squared · Emily Ratajkowski on Feminism, Capitalism, and Exploitation · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“You know, live in a world where you're making money. It's like, well, that's the world we live in, right? So I'm going to take advantage of the system that's there and I'm going to survive and pay your taxes.”
2023-04-01 · Intelligence Squared · Emily Ratajkowski on Feminism, Capitalism, and Exploitation · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Well, because I think that that's what I'm trying to do. I mean, I think that's why I wrote this book. I could have not written this book. It's very difficult to be honest online because it's the same way that a tweet is very different than writing an essay. Or if you ask me about what it feels like to have these experience with Image being taken from me, I wouldn't be able to tell you. That's why I wrote the essay, right? Because I think that there is something lost in these mediums of Instagram, Twitter, TikTok. TikTok might be a little better, but it's still, you know, it's just a little tiny second. And so my hope is to move towards nuance and to tell the truth. You know, it's the same thing with when I think about, you know, I campaigned for Bernie Sanders and people said to me, well, if you're anti-capitalist, then how can you?”
2023-04-01 · Intelligence Squared · Emily Ratajkowski on Feminism, Capitalism, and Exploitation · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“I think that it's always been, there's always been things that have been influencing women and telling them what they should look like and their bodies. I experienced it pre-Instagram myself. I think, again, the best thing we can do is teach women and try to sort of change the overall system rather than say to our daughters who of course are going to want to know what it feels like to be considered hot because the world rewards that. So I don't think that we should be shaming the women who want to experiment or experiment with that because there is power to be gained from it monetarily and otherwise. That being said, if we can talk more about why that's not great and why that's so unfair to women in particular, there's There's hope there.”
2023-04-01 · Intelligence Squared · Emily Ratajkowski on Feminism, Capitalism, and Exploitation · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Really hard because I think that these things are passed on to us and they're reinforced time and time again in ways that we don't have control over as a parent. I know that. So you can have one sort of conversation at home, but then there's going to be everything else in the world impacting him in a different way. So I don't know if I'm hopeful or not. I'm just, I feel aware of the landscape, which is a difficult one.”
2023-04-01 · Intelligence Squared · Emily Ratajkowski on Feminism, Capitalism, and Exploitation · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Yeah, I mean, I think, again, this is a perfect example of we could say, oh, those women, somebody should have taken responsibility. I actually don't believe that. I think that it's just the power dynamic overall that was at play at the shoot. Nobody was in a position to do so. And the same thing with Robin Thick. Like, I don't believe in good and bad men. I don't think that is real. I think that we have a world where men are able to sometimes unknowingly benefit or take advantage of their position in the world. Sometimes it's malicious and they are aware. But I do think that the kind of concept of this guy is a bad one and this one's a good one. Oh, but he has kids, you know, like this game that we end up playing in the media and within ourselves online, all those places is incorrect, I think.”
2023-04-01 · Intelligence Squared · Emily Ratajkowski on Feminism, Capitalism, and Exploitation · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“I don't know how to explain what a violation feels like. I can tell you what the emotional toll and physical toll it took on me. I just recommend people read the essay.”
2023-04-01 · Intelligence Squared · Emily Ratajkowski on Feminism, Capitalism, and Exploitation · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“So, there's three different examples there's a paparazzi who sues me for an image. There's a Richard Prince painting Instagram painting, quote unquote, that uses one of my Instagrams. And then there was a photographer who shot me nude and published a book of those polaroids without my permission.”
2023-04-01 · Intelligence Squared · Emily Ratajkowski on Feminism, Capitalism, and Exploitation · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“That essay is really about image and control. And the experiences that I weave together in that essay are examples of when I have Felt like I could either take back control or have control or power through my image being used and out there in the world and commodified and how often that is not the case.”
2023-04-01 · Intelligence Squared · Emily Ratajkowski on Feminism, Capitalism, and Exploitation · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“I felt so personally angry when I read news like that this was going to be our next Supreme Court judge who had very all these women were talking about things that he had done and it felt so disrespectful that we would be giving somebody who had hurt women in this way such an honorary title and I'm so angry it wasn't really a decision of oh I'm going to put myself out there it just felt like I had a personal vendetta I had a personal feeling that compelled me to work on these things”
2023-04-01 · Intelligence Squared · Emily Ratajkowski on Feminism, Capitalism, and Exploitation · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Men, but also clients, people who are producers of shoots, whatever they want to be politically correct, not because they actually believe that there's anything on the line other than consequences for them. And as somebody who's a new parent, I haven't had to think about teaching my child these sort of things yet. He's only six months old. That being said, I do think that I've learned that you can't teach a child an idea by letting them be afraid of making them afraid of the consequences. You need them to understand don't hit your sibling because it hurts your sibling, not because you're going to get a timeout. And that's how I feel on a larger scale we are macro way with where we are with this kind of thing aft post me too. I think that people are just operating out of fear rather than understanding of concepts.”
2023-04-01 · Intelligence Squared · Emily Ratajkowski on Feminism, Capitalism, and Exploitation · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Yeah, it's considered being professional, and I think that that's definitely something that models, and I think all women for sure are taught, but the agencies really stress is, you know, this is your job, you have to go there, and you don't get to have boundaries because you've signed up for this. That's what being a model is. So I don't know that it's changed all that much. I think now people are afraid of being canceled. And I don't think that that is how real change occurs.”
2023-04-01 · Intelligence Squared · Emily Ratajkowski on Feminism, Capitalism, and Exploitation · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“The more sort of successful I became and the more power I had in these situations, I don't think I would be groped and grabbed at in the same way that I was. That being said, only a couple years ago I was on a shoot and the male models hand slipped down lower than it should have been. And, you know, I let the client know that I didn't appreciate it. And there was a conversation with him, but then we took another picture and I was on set. You know, I was working.”
2023-04-01 · Intelligence Squared · Emily Ratajkowski on Feminism, Capitalism, and Exploitation · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Don't know because I'm in a different position than I was 10 years ago, so I don't want to speak to that. That being said, I've been at enough nightclubs, you know, I don't go to them frequently, but where I've seen very clearly the same thing that I'm writing about 18-year-old girls with men who've made arrangements for them to be there with them.”
2023-04-01 · Intelligence Squared · Emily Ratajkowski on Feminism, Capitalism, and Exploitation · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“I don't think enough conversations are happening or happening between women in these situations. And I think that's part of the issue. I didn't even know the first time that I went out to one of these meals with a party promoter that that's what was happening, even though other girls had invited me, friends that I'd made at castings. So it wasn't until I was like, why is this guy always texting me, inviting me to go out every Thursday night that I figured out the dynamic that was actually going on? There wasn't enough of sort of looking out for each other. I think that there was so much shame around what women were doing and also were so, a lot of us were so young and women aren't now girls going out to these situations. They don't know, they don't have the wisdom to share.”
2023-04-01 · Intelligence Squared · Emily Ratajkowski on Feminism, Capitalism, and Exploitation · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“I don't know that I was talking to them about these situations. I think that like so many young people, I definitely wanted to feel autonomous. I wanted to feel independent. I felt like my whole life was starting. And that was also one of the reasons I would go out to these things because I had this sort of romanticized vision of a young person going to New York City or going to Los Angeles and going out and meeting a really cool group of people. And that was like totally the opposite of what was happening. Even now I talk to my husband or to different people about their experiences, men specifically going out and it's so different than what a young woman experiences. It's not this sort of like, oh my God, the whole world is open to me. It's terrifying.”
2023-04-01 · Intelligence Squared · Emily Ratajkowski on Feminism, Capitalism, and Exploitation · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Know in that piece, I write about being not being paid, but being invited to go to dinners in LA when I was 19, 18, where you're fed party promoters set up these events. They're paid by wealthy men to have nights out where they offer meals, which entices girls who aren't making very much money, probably new to New York or Raleigh, to come out. And then afterwards you go to the clubs with these really wealthy men. And that started happening basically as soon as I moved to Los Angeles, so after high school”
2023-04-01 · Intelligence Squared · Emily Ratajkowski on Feminism, Capitalism, and Exploitation · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Well, I think we use the word industry really lightly. I think it's like, oh, the industry, but we don't talk about what's being traded in the industry. And that is women's bodies. And so I think writing that essay in particular, which is titled Transactions, was in hope to sort of show all the types of transactions, not just the way it's just your image, but it's also your presence and how much it is based on powerful men who have money making decisions about women.”
2023-04-01 · Intelligence Squared · Emily Ratajkowski on Feminism, Capitalism, and Exploitation · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“I think it's really complicated. I think that it's the thing that brought me my career in many ways. And there's just a truth to that. I think that, you know, it was the starting point. And that's the important thing about the book. And one of the things I want to stress while I'm doing press, that there's nuance to this. It's not, oh, you are disempowered if you're a body. It's complicated. You're both rewarded. And you also will have experiences that are dehumanizing at the same time, both those things coexist. And that's how I feel about that video.”
2023-04-01 · Intelligence Squared · Emily Ratajkowski on Feminism, Capitalism, and Exploitation · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Yeah, I do think that women's experiences are very inconvenient often to the status quo. And I think that we are trained. I'm not sure if it's about to be polite or whatever, but we're trained to sort of deny our experiences because they're fussy. And, you know, I write about it even a couple years ago being at a party and feeling like if I just wasn't the one who is in this equation, then everything would be fine. Actually just my existence is the problem, not the way people act towards me. That being said, I don't think that every woman needs to decide that she needs to publish a book about her stories or name names. I think it's, again, putting too much of the onus on women to carry the responsibility. I have found that it's been personally very liberating.”
2023-04-01 · Intelligence Squared · Emily Ratajkowski on Feminism, Capitalism, and Exploitation · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Yeah, and these essays weren't written with me thinking I'm going to write about my sexual assault and stalking experience. It was quite the opposite. It was like, I'm going to write about this experience. I have all the shame about to try to figure out what the truth is to this experience. And only now, I mean, I wrote that essay probably three plus years ago. Am I starting to realize, oh wow, it was this and that. So that's sort of the beauty in writing.”
2023-04-01 · Intelligence Squared · Emily Ratajkowski on Feminism, Capitalism, and Exploitation · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“I think the first time I ever talked to someone about it was one of my girlfriends and she was really the person who said, and I write about this, that sounds like rape. And my first reaction was absolutely not. What are you saying? But my physical reaction, what I felt in my”
2023-04-01 · Intelligence Squared · Emily Ratajkowski on Feminism, Capitalism, and Exploitation · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“I think I didn't know any of it at the time, not that I didn't allow myself to think about things because allowing implies that there was some kind of decision making. I just simply didn't think about the experiences where I was treated less than. And I chose instead to focus on the very real power, you know, which comes with making a lot of money, which comes with fame that felt like, well, see, it was evidence to the power that I had, I felt I had accrued. And it seemed to me that taking a look at a harder look at these things would have been maybe ungrateful and also really fundamentally humiliating for me to talk about the ways that I had been disrespected physically or emotionally.”
2023-04-01 · Intelligence Squared · Emily Ratajkowski on Feminism, Capitalism, and Exploitation · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“I think that definitely I was an only child. My parents were very much still kind of, my dad jokes, like the three musketeers. There wasn't a parent child dynamic in the way that a lot of families have when there are other children. My parents included me in their relationship. And I think it made me only in writing the book that I realized that that sort of laid a groundwork for me not knowing what was crossing a boundary or what privacy in space was or me even really being able to put words to my desires like what I want, asserting those felt almost rude sometimes.”
2023-04-01 · Intelligence Squared · Emily Ratajkowski on Feminism, Capitalism, and Exploitation · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Absolutely, I think that there was this sort of thing, well, like you're pretty, but do you have any talent? Is there anything more than that, which I definitely internalized. It's something I write about in the book. And it made me feel worse and worse about myself to go to these auditions and feel very insecure about my abilities as really just anything, not even just as an actress, but just as a person, because I felt like my worth and my value was in the way I looked.”
2023-04-01 · Intelligence Squared · Emily Ratajkowski on Feminism, Capitalism, and Exploitation · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“I didn't really. I mean, I think that modeling was much easier for me to stay in high school, and I didn't want to, I didn't want to be tutored. I wanted to stay in school. And if you're working actor, you have to leave school because you're working 12-hour days on sets. That being said, I also felt like modeling was easier. It made more money. It just was sort of a thing that I came towards. And then once I started to really model a lot, I all of a sudden had this hurdle in the acting world of being considered a model turned actress or model actress, which came with its own baggage.”
2023-04-01 · Intelligence Squared · Emily Ratajkowski on Feminism, Capitalism, and Exploitation · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“I have a son, but at one point I wanted a little girl, and I had to sort of think about what that was going to be like. I had an ex-boyfriend's mother say to me that if she had a daughter, she'd want to discuss with her, you know, staying thin. And I was horrified when she said that. But as I've gotten older and even in the process of writing this book, I realized that was her way of trying to protect her daughter. I think that there's a reality to the fact that women are treated a certain way based on the way they look. And my mother was aware of that. And in her childhood, it had sort of been discouraged for her to capitalize on her looks and certainly her sex appeal. And I don't think she wanted that for me. that modeling could Make me feel about how I looked.”
2023-04-01 · Intelligence Squared · Emily Ratajkowski on Feminism, Capitalism, and Exploitation · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“I had developed breasts very early. So even when I was signed up 14, it wasn't because I was a traditional fashion model. I did have curves. And I would say that it wasn't just the modeling. It was also just the way the world works and what our culture teaches us, that it felt very exciting to be sexualized as a young girl because I had understood that women powerful women were often the sexiest and the most beautiful, whether that be Britney Spears or actresses or other models. So for me, at that point it felt exciting and I liked it.”
2023-04-01 · Intelligence Squared · Emily Ratajkowski on Feminism, Capitalism, and Exploitation · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Definitely. I was doing a lot of teen magazines where the first shoots and it was extremely exciting and very nerve-wracking. I remember my eyebrows got over tweezed on one set.”
2023-04-01 · Intelligence Squared · Emily Ratajkowski on Feminism, Capitalism, and Exploitation · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Yeah, so I write about this in the book a little bit. My parents, you know, we'd get stopped in various different people, sometimes not connected to the industry would say to my parents, you know, this is a really great way for a kid to make money and you want your child to pay for college. You're worried about paying for college, like let her model. And I became really involved with theater, a local children's theater, and I loved it. We met some people through sort of my acting classes and that community who had started to do commercials. And these parents were saying to my parents, well, we put a down payment. She could put a down payment for a house down because she was in this Coca-Cola commercial, you know, hitting a soccer ball. And I think at that point my parents said, well, we can't deny our child this opportunity. And that's how I started modeling.”
2023-04-01 · Intelligence Squared · Emily Ratajkowski on Feminism, Capitalism, and Exploitation · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“I mean, my parents definitely always believed in sitting down for dinner and, you know, I was just, I'm in New York, I live in Tribeca, and was the 20th anniversary of September 11th. And I was remembering that I was 10 years old and talking about it with other people. I was aware that I was so politically engaged. I already knew, you know, had all these opinions about George W. Bush, all that sort of stuff at the age of 10. So I was just very much involved in those conversations as a child with my parents.”
2023-04-01 · Intelligence Squared · Emily Ratajkowski on Feminism, Capitalism, and Exploitation · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Yeah, my mom is a retired English professor. My dad is a painter, a high school painting teacher. We lived in a pretty small house that my dad built himself in San Diego, California. Definitely the stereotypes of California beach culture were a huge part of my existence and my childhood, but also sort of the academic, artistic political conversations my parents were interested in having were huge, hugely impactful to me.”
2023-04-01 · Intelligence Squared · Emily Ratajkowski on Feminism, Capitalism, and Exploitation · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Know my parents aren't English. My mom was teaching in London when I was born and I did move back when I was four. My mother did another year of teaching English lit in the UK. So I do love London, but I don't, I wouldn't say that I know it well enough to have that sort of insight.”
2023-04-01 · Intelligence Squared · Emily Ratajkowski on Feminism, Capitalism, and Exploitation · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“I think sort of the same, very much interested in performing, very like to talk to people. But, you know, of course, I can't remember being a child. This is all, this is what I've heard from my parents.”
2023-04-01 · Intelligence Squared · Emily Ratajkowski on Feminism, Capitalism, and Exploitation · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“I don't believe in good and bad men, but I do think that the kind of concept of, you know, oh, this guy is a bad one and this one's a good one. Oh, but he has kids, you know, like this game that we end up playing in the media and within ourselves online, all those places is incorrect”
2023-04-01 · Intelligence Squared · Emily Ratajkowski on Feminism, Capitalism, and Exploitation · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“First shot to fame after appearing in the music video for the controvers Led to a number of modell Collection of essays titled My Body. Explores the thought relationship between feminism, capitalism, and exploitation, which he discusses in this conversation with broadcaster Samira Ahmed. The recording for this episode took place Felt very exciting to be sexualized as a young girl because I had understood that women, powerful women were often the sexiest and the most beautiful whether that be Brittany Spears or actresses or other models. So for me at that point it felt exciting and I liked it. I think we used the word industry really lightly. I think it's like, oh, the industry, but we don't talk about what's being traded in the industry. And that is women's bodies.”
2023-04-01 · Intelligence Squared · Emily Ratajkowski on Feminism, Capitalism, and Exploitation · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT