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Emily Thornberry

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first: 2018-01-05
most recent: 2018-01-05
sittings or episodes: 1
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“I think that if I became Foreign Secretary, I could change Britain's standing in the world. I think that we could be a force for good, we could work properly with our friends and allies, we could not allow all the oxygen to be sucked out of our country by Brexit, and we could hold our up high in the world. We could be involved in ensuring that international law is enforced, we could work multilaterally, we could do so much good. I could do that as Foreign Secretary. Please don't tell me that that's a low achievement. That would be fantastic. That's what I want.”
2018-01-05 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Emily Thornberry One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I think that we'll have to see what happens next. Jeremy will be the next Prime Minister and he will be a good prime minister. I want to be foreign secretary. I want to be foreign secretary more than anything else. And then”
2018-01-05 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Emily Thornberry One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I know, I know, I know. But we have, I think it's 40% of our parliamentary Labour Party are women, which is significantly different to the Tories, that we have some very influential women. Half of the shadow cabinet are women. We're not exactly backwards in coming forwards, I can tell you. And we're quite clear about where it is we want to go and we're quite well organised.”
2018-01-05 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Emily Thornberry One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“It's politics. What changes people's lives is politics? Is what it is you stand for. Yes, you know the personalities can be important and are attractive in people like talking about it and everything else. And you can attract people to a cause if you're a particularly attractive personality. But in the end, it's what you're going to do is what counts. And our manifesto says what it is that we're going to do. And that's what unites us. And that was the star of our show.”
2018-01-05 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Emily Thornberry One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Yes, I'm a Corbinista in that I support Jeremy Corbyn and I support him as leader, and I think that he will be a good prime minister, and I want to do everything that I can to contribute to a great Labour government, because that's what the country needs. Well, what values do I not share? Of course I do. I mean, I share his values in terms of what the Labour Party stands for. In the end, we have a huge amount in common, those of us in the Labour Party. In fact, if you look at someone, let's say, at one end of the Labour Party and someone else at the other end of the Labour Party, yes, there are things that divide us, but it's only ten per cent, 90% we agree on. Look at our manifesto. Everyone agree with our manifesto.”
2018-01-05 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Emily Thornberry One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Well, what matters is what our approach is now. And our approach now is one of extreme caution when it comes to Iran and a recognition that the society in Iran is an immensely complex one and seemingly contradictory. For example, with these current riots, sometimes they're calling to reinstate the monarchy, sometimes they're calling out against the Humane, sometimes they're calling for Hume, sometimes they're calling for the price of eggs, sometimes it's very difficult in those circumstances to actually come to a conclusion as to what political forces are behind the current disputes on the streets of Iran. We take a cautious approach to Iran and we don't want to leap to judgment and say, well, we don't like the regime in Iran. These people are against it. They must be the guys with white hats because it doesn't work like that. We've seen that in Syria. We've seen it in Libya. We see it time and time again in Egypt. Actually, as Westerners, we cannot see.”
2018-01-05 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Emily Thornberry One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“But if Jeremy was here, he would say, and doing this podcast, his approach to Iran at the moment would be the same as mine.”
2018-01-05 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Emily Thornberry One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“And they said this about Venezuela as well. I have to say, I am the shadow foreign secretary. Jeremy trusts me and lets me get on with my job. I speak on behalf of the Labour Party when it comes to foreign policy.”
2018-01-05 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Emily Thornberry One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I think it depends on the circumstances, as I say. If we leave a gap, if we don't protect ourselves, if we leave an opening, then Putin can be very dangerous.”
2018-01-05 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Emily Thornberry One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I think they're both very dangerous men And I mean, I'm concerned about the irrascibility of Donald Trump. I'm concerned about his temperament. I'm concerned that he has a nuclear button. worries me very deeply. The tweets that go out in the middle of the night, I am very concerned about how... Unpredictable he is. We don't know so much about Putin because he keeps himself to himself much more. See, with Putin on the one hand, I don't think has a particular plan. I think that he's simply an opportunist. I think that Russia is unhappy with the current status quo and will take advantage of any opportunity that presents itself. Donald Trump, on the other hand, I can't even give an explanation for his behavior.”
2018-01-05 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Emily Thornberry One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Well, there's plenty of people in America that one can build a relationship with. And I think that probably the most effective way is to go around him.”
2018-01-05 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Emily Thornberry One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“It depends what crisis it is that he's created. I think I would need to respond to that particular crisis. I think the whole approach has to be one whereby you say we have great admiration and respect for your country. We do not agree with what it is that you're doing or what it is that you're saying.”
2018-01-05 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Emily Thornberry One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I have no problem with people campaigning to change public opinion. They're not doing terribly well at the moment because public opinion is just getting dug in.”
2018-01-05 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Emily Thornberry One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“No, no, no, that's not the situation. The situation is that people are getting dug in with their opinions. Those who wanted to leave are absolutely becoming increasingly clear that they want to leave and those who want to remain are inclined.”
2018-01-05 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Emily Thornberry One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I don't think as much, but I mean, I think that if we had an overwhelming majority of people who suddenly wanted to remain in the European Union, then our democratic process would need to respond in some appropriate way.”
2018-01-05 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Emily Thornberry One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Well, listen, if suddenly 90% of the public wanted to remain in the European Union, that would be a challenge for everyone, wouldn't it? And people would need to work out what it is that the appropriate response to that is.”
2018-01-05 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Emily Thornberry One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Way of looking at it? No, no. The way to look at it is we lost the general election, we lost the referendum. There is a limited amount that we can do, but we are doing, we are using every lever that we have. We are keeping this government honest and we are doing our best to influence in a positive way.”
2018-01-05 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Emily Thornberry One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“And what we'll need to do is there's a deal in relation to the divorce, and then we have to have an interim period during which we actually negotiate what our continuing relationship with the European Union will be. At the moment, that's a two-year interim period. We hope that those two years will be two years that will be properly used. I mean, listen, we've had 18 months. What have they done in the last 18 months? What have they enjoyed?”
2018-01-05 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Emily Thornberry One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“The point is this because we have a vote, they don't bypass us. We're players. They need to pay attention to what it is that the Parliament wants. If they are able to ignore us, then they will ignore us. But if they know they've got to get the vote past us, then they have to start listening. And if they want to have a deal that the majority of the British public will accept, then they should listen to its representatives and stop being so arrogant and thinking they've got all the answers.”
2018-01-05 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Emily Thornberry One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“The people of Walloon may defeat the deal. I mean, there'll be votes around Europe about whether or not they accept this deal. Why on earth should the British Parliament not have a vote as well?”
2018-01-05 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Emily Thornberry One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Okay, but the messages are kind of relatively simple one. The 52% get what they want, we leave. The 48% get what they want. We don't go very far. That's the answer. That's the only answer that works. And indeed, that's what looks after the economy. That's what makes sure that jobs come first. That's what looks after Britain's interest best.”
2018-01-05 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Emily Thornberry One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Because what we've said is that we have to leave because that's the result of the referendum, but we don't have to go very far. And that's the point. And that's the way you hold together the 48% and the 52%.”
2018-01-05 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Emily Thornberry One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“We had a choice after the referendum. We could have plumped for the 48% or taken the side of the 52%, but we didn't want to do that. We really did think that we had to, as a national party, take a view which was what's in the interest of the nation, and that is holding the nation together. We have to leave the European Union.”
2018-01-05 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Emily Thornberry One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Listen, I'm an internationalist. We are close to Europe. They are our closest neighbours. We are Europeans. I think that it is in the interest of Britain for us to remain in the European Union. But above anything else, I'm a Democrat. And I'm a public servant and I do as I'm told. And the referendum expressed the views of the British public and they said that they wanted to leave and it is my duty in everything I do to try to ensure that we get the best possible deal as we leave the European Union so that we look after our economy because in the end it's about my kids and your kids and making sure that they have jobs in a few years' time and our economy remains stable.”
2018-01-05 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Emily Thornberry One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I think there'll be no ifs or buts about what it is that we do with public money. Certainly when we were in power, the civil servants used to say to us, you're not allowed to do that because European competition law says that you're not allowed to. Now, I personally think that that's the wrong interpretation of European competition law, but I know that it was used as a break for previous Labour governments who'd wanted to invest public money in, let's say, the steel industry was suddenly collapsed, that we could step in and do something about it. The Tory is again used it this time and saying we can't defend the steel industry because of what's going on, because of being in Europe. Now, I don't think that's true, but if we're out, then there's no excuse. Then we certainly can. It's a competition law.”
2018-01-05 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Emily Thornberry One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I think it's difficult, particularly at the moment, because I think it's all to do with what kind of relationship we're going to have with Europe going into the future.”
2018-01-05 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Emily Thornberry One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“To enforcing their rights, all of these things are things which we are proud of and actually I think are pretty fundamental British values and are being undermined at the moment and the Labour Party is a party which truly believes in ensuring that we have safety for everyone.”
2018-01-05 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Emily Thornberry One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“You see, I think that both of those groups have a great deal in common. I think what they both want at the end of the day is, for example, they want there to be a safety net I benefited hugely from the fact that there was a safety net. We could go on benefits. When we had no money, there was money available for us because we were part of a community and because we'd fallen on hard times. There was a council house for us because we'd been made homeless. When I go to my surgery later on today, I will have homeless families coming to see me. And they will be weeping and I will find it quite difficult not to weep with them because I cannot tell them that there is a council house available for them. And that's wrong. That could happen to anybody, anybody at all. And one of the things which has always bound us together as a community is that we have believed in a welfare state and we are undermining it. And that, I think, is one of the things that Labour stands for, is a true and proper commitment to the National Health Service, to the welfare state, to legal aid, to allowing people to have access to their rights.”
2018-01-05 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Emily Thornberry One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Well, the first thing I didn't learn was I didn't go off social media, which probably was a temptation, was to just go, okay, that's it. This is just too difficult. I don't want to do that. I want to be me and I want to be honest and I want to be able to communicate in the best way possible with the public. I want people watching my Twitter line to see this is what it's like being involved in a by-election. This is what's going on or on Instagram, photographs that I put up and so on. I want to be open and I want to be myself. And of course, there will be people who will either truthfully or frankly not truthfully claim that they're outraged by things that I've said or done. And what do you do? You just have to be brave and just carry on, I think.”
2018-01-05 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Emily Thornberry One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Well, yeah, and then they started making a thing about the fact there was a white van in the parked outside and started saying that I was being snobbish and that I was a woman from Islington and that what did I know about life? And actually, you know, me and my brother was a builder. My brother had a white van. I'm not sneering at people. It was just a striking image. But in the end, what are you battling against? You're battling against people's interpretation of what they think, your interpretation is. And so in the end, you just say, okay, look, if I've offended people, I'm sorry, I resign. That's it. I'm off. That was the best thing. Did you resign?”
2018-01-05 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Emily Thornberry One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“So, what happened was that whenever I did elections, and I used to go to all the by-elections, and I would take a number of snapshots and put them on Twitter, so photographs of dogs wearing rosettes or people knocking on doors, and I would sometimes take a photograph of somebody and quote what it was that they'd said and the reason they were voting Labour or the reason they weren't voting Labour or whatever it was. And then I came across a house that was completely covered in England flags and the World Cup had finished sort of five months before and I thought it was a striking image. So I took a photograph of that along with, I think I took a photograph of Rochester Castle with dark clouds gathering behind it and all of these sorts of things. Anyway, so I took it and I put it in as one of the images of Rochester from that by-election. And then all hell let loose. And it was all about, what did I mean by it? What was people interpreting it and so on?”
2018-01-05 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Emily Thornberry One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Yeah. I've never had a problem with being heard. I've never had to use a microphone. I can fill a room. It's just how it is.”
2018-01-05 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Emily Thornberry One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Yes, they do. Yeah, I know it is a big advantage. I mean, at the age of seven, I was sent off to a church choir, and I sang from sort of seven to 14, and I learnt to breathe and I learned to project without ever knowing that I'd been taught it. And that plus smoking the amount that I have over the number of years that I have gives me the voice that I have.”
2018-01-05 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Emily Thornberry One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Well, I sound like my mother, and what's interesting is that sometimes when I'm on the radio or I'm on television, my mother's died, but she has a large number of female friends, and some of them will ring up and say, oh, well done, Sally. Because I sound like her.”
2018-01-05 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Emily Thornberry One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Too early in But you know, I worked as a barmaid in the Hammershith Palais. I cleaned out loose on Townsend Torreson. I worked in an old people's home. I was an Avon lady. I mean, I did lots and lots of jobs to keep body and soul together. I then did 20 years at the bar. I met all sorts of people. I've had the great learning experience of having kids, having bought a wreck of a place and doing it up, you know, all of these things. Give me a confidence, I think, and an experience and a breadth of experience of life.”
2018-01-05 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Emily Thornberry One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I can sing it all. The ice cream girls, we all used to go out to the coach and horses and we used to get drunk and we used to begin to sing Evita from beginning to end. And then most of the ice cream girls were really big fans of David Essex. That's why they were there. And so they'd all worked on, what was it that he was in before that? Yeah, Godspell. Godspell. So we'd sing the whole of Avita and then they would go on to sing the whole of Godspell. I mean, it was amazing.”
2018-01-05 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Emily Thornberry One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I think part of it, you know, is that I was 45 before I went into public life. So during those 45 years, I had had the kind of slightly traumatic childhood experiences that I'd had. I hadn't had any money. I'd done a wide variety of jobs. You know, I sold ice creams on a Vita. I can sing a Vita from beginning to end, right? Because I work in front of house so many times. Go on. You don't want to. Oh no.”
2018-01-05 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Emily Thornberry One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I'm clever, but I have a sort of an animal cleverness, I don't think, but I'm not well educated, I'm not, and I'm not well read, and I'm not cultivated. I wouldn't say that I'm an intellectual, but I'm not stupid.”
2018-01-05 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Emily Thornberry One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Because he had money and he was working for the UN, and he was kind of all over the place, but we didn't really see a great deal of him, but he would appear, churn everything up, and then disappear again. But that with hindsight helped me and made me stronger.”
2018-01-05 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Emily Thornberry One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I think what makes me angry is looking back on it. I think that there were kids in my class. There's one girl in particular I remember who I fell out with very badly and she used to bully me terribly, but she was much brighter than me. And I've done all right and she didn't. And she didn't have the chances I had. And despite the low expectations in my school, I had parents who expected me to do well. And that did make a difference and I had opportunities that she never had. And my dad appeared one day and said he wanted to take us to Africa. You know, I'd been on a day trip to France, but I hadn't been abroad otherwise. And dad took me to Zambia, and I spent my 15th birthday under a palm tree.”
2018-01-05 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Emily Thornberry One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Well, because people have said that I've claimed that we were so poor that we had to have the cats put down, and then they're claiming how much should it cost to put the cats down? I don't know. I was seven years old. I just know that we had cats, we had a house, we had to move, the cats were put down, to be honest of all the things that upset me, more than seeing the bailiffs, more than being chucked out, more than my mum being as distressed as she was was the fact that I lost my cats.”
2018-01-05 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Emily Thornberry One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“All that happened was, I don't know exactly what happened, but I know that when we were living in the house, we had two cats and they had to be put down. And I didn't really understand why. And mum said it was all too much, that we were having to move, that we didn't have any money, and the cats had to be put down. And I remember obviously I was very upset about it because I was very young.”
2018-01-05 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Emily Thornberry One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Well, yeah, I suppose. I mean, we were very poor. I think we were probably quite disturbed. I don't think that I behaved very well throughout my childhood. I think I was a classic kind of ragamuffin at school. And so, yeah, I think we probably did”
2018-01-05 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Emily Thornberry One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I think that, yes, I think we're going back to the 60s and we're thinking about somewhere like Guildford. And there was certainly a very acute class awareness, I think, at those times.”
2018-01-05 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Emily Thornberry One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Well, actually, the plains outside of Guildford, it wasn't even in Guildford, it was about four miles out I remember all the councillor estates in Guildford are all on the outskirts, so people don't necessarily know about them. And they stopped the buses at nine o'clock at night.”
2018-01-05 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Emily Thornberry One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Because my parents split up when I was seven, and my dad sort of just disappeared. He went abroad and we had no money. And I don't remember very much about it because I was very young. But I do remember that we suddenly had no money. And so we didn't have any heating and we didn't have. And mum had real problems with the bills. The bailiffs turned up. I remember they used to wear bowler hats in the 60s. And eventually we were chucked out because we weren't paying the mortgage. And we were made homeless. And there was this really lovely counsellor called Bill Bellowby. And he helped us and he got us a council house and we moved on to eventually moved on to this big estate called Bellfields, which is in between Guildford and Working.”
2018-01-05 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Emily Thornberry One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I think nobody is as straightforward as that. I think that, as you go through life, you realize that people are never the caricature that they are played to be. And I'm not that. Just like my constituency, people talk about Islington and they think of it as being cappuccino bars and Georgian squares and the chattering classes. And indeed it is. But it also has the fifth worst child poverty statistics in the whole country. Worse than Liverpool, worse than Glasgow. So the levels of deprivation in my constituency are something that people don't hear about. And so they also don't hear about the other side of my life.”
2018-01-05 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Emily Thornberry One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Well, I suppose, yeah, but you know, being a girl, I wasn't even going to be able to commit offences. You know, I proved him right in that when I did go into profession, I became a criminal barrister. And so I did see lots of people in prison, but probably not the way that he expected. And I think that sort of low expectations and a feeling of being put down and a feeling of unfairness, I think still lives with me. And I do want to show him.”
2018-01-05 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Emily Thornberry One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I think you need to look at what it is that drives people. And I think I am very driven. And the reason I'm driven is because I feel I have a lot to prove. And I do remember, I fell my 11 plus and I went to this frankly terrible school. I mean, this school was so terrible. They didn't even give it a name. It was just called Church of England. And it was a secondary modern attached to the big councillor estate that I was brought up on. And I remember asking my careers teacher, what do you see me doing? What job am I going to do? And he thought about it. And he said, you could always visit people in prison. And I think, and it really played on my mind.”
2018-01-05 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Emily Thornberry One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source