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Emma Runswick

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“I mean, she's got a very different approach to Steve Barclay. It's a more positive approach. But the words don't mean very much in the context of literally paid a quarter less than we were in 2008. Everything else keeps going up, including the compulsory costs of being a doctor like your GMC fees, student debt and so on. I'm hopeful all the time that we will be able to get to a resolution.”
2024-02-16 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Emma Runswick One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I wish I was in that position with the health secretary, but unfortunately not. Unfortunately, we don't have a government where we can have light relief because we're in such a mess. You know, I would love to be more collaborative with any government of any colour.”
2024-02-16 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Emma Runswick One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I don't think it would be very helpful when you're with groups of friends, you're comfortable with each other, you can build a story together.”
2024-02-16 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Emma Runswick One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I like playing clerics and druids because they have a mixture of, you know, again, in the game, martial abilities, but also kind of other spellcasting that is helpful and useful.”
2024-02-16 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Emma Runswick One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Very odd for me to then take the position that I actually don't want resolution. I don't want things to get better. That's ridiculous position to take. This is not a partisan situation where I can't wait to see the end of the Conservative Party. That's not what's happening here. What's happening here is that I am working in a collapsing service, as are many of my colleagues, all of my colleagues, and I have friends who are leaving for Australia, New Zealand, Canada and Ireland. I would like them to stay, I would like them to return, I would like to work in a service where I can give the care that I trained to give to patients. And I therefore want to see a resolution, a negotiated solution, an outcome that shifts us towards pay restoration like they have done in Scotland, like we are putting various options to the government in Westminster now, so that we can keep doctors in the country.”
2024-02-16 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Emma Runswick One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I'm going to come back to what I think the purpose of the VMA is, and indeed all unions. The purpose of a union is to enable workers to improve their lives, and for us, the lives of the patients that we look after. It would be”
2024-02-16 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Emma Runswick One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“When I said they've given Alfred. And right now we're reballoting. So if members have not at all told us that, oh, well, we would like 3% additional. And we're reballoting right now. If they think that 3% is enough, they can vote no. I 100% guarantee Unik they will not vote no. Members will give us another mandate. Doctors will give us another mandate. These strikes will go on beyond the. They might do, I hope not. I hope not every day that we will have, you know, further progress in negotiations. But if they want to put something to us that we are able to put to members that might be accepted by members, then we'll put it. I mean, we have done in Scotland, we did do for consultants. You know, we are not an unreasonable party to negotiate with.”
2024-02-16 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Emma Runswick One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“We are talking to the government. I mean, you know, the promise of talks within 20 minutes turned into 20 days. The promise of I've got a final offer my sleeve that hasn't materialized. You know, we've had no further offer put to us that we can put to members, which is a real shame. And we set internal deadlines so that we don't just go nowhere. You know, we've seen the government attempt to time others out, attempt to shift other unions on. And then indeed, tell the public that they've settled those disputes, like for example with the nurses where there hasn't been a settlement, nurses have rejected their deal. So we're in a space where we would much prefer not to be taking action. And indeed, we offered, we asked for the government and NHS employers to extend the mandate so that talks could continue further if they think that we're close to a deal excellent, we'll give them more time.”
2024-02-16 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Emma Runswick One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“So the polling shows still that more of the public support us than oppose the strikes, which is, I think, pretty incredible. Most trade unions don't receive that level of backing from the public. And what's even more interesting is that when you survey patients, The support is greater than amongst the general public, and I think that's because they see what we do. And I regularly have patients who I might not have met before, but they recognise me from the television or from the radio. And I don't ever have patients who are opposed to the strike action. I mean, maybe they just don't say it, but I have lots of people who say, oh, isn't it excellent? And they're supportive because they know the reasons.”
2024-02-16 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Emma Runswick One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“In the way we're treated, in the way that our rotors are designed, in the way that our lives are not respected, picked up and moved across the country with no choice, changes constantly, last minute changes like you don't have any life. They expect you to not have any wider life. Yeah, that's very difficult because it doesn't fit with the work that you're doing. And it really emphasizes how politicians do not care and how we have to act to get them to care”
2024-02-16 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Emma Runswick One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I think it's possible because if you are in an environment where you are risking your life and being very genuine about that, risking your life to look after others. And you are being applauded on the streets for doing so. And similarly, you are receiving shoddy PPE and another pay cut and another pay cut and continuing infantilization in the case particularly of junior doctors.”
2024-02-16 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Emma Runswick One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Yeah, and we tried our best to put people in contact on the phone through virtual conversations. But often, yeah, they didn't have that and then we're bringing up their family members saying that their relatives have died. And losing lots of people. You know, this is death on a scale that I was not prepared for. And people previous to my generation have not seen in that way. And indeed, since now we don't get it in the same way. It's a very particular generational occurrence.”
2024-02-16 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Emma Runswick One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Yes because the fear that like I have and they have is not ameliorated by the fact that you are providing them some level of comfort”
2024-02-16 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Emma Runswick One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“So the things that I will never forget in reality are what became termed happy hypoxics. So normally when people are on their way towards death in the process of dying or they are losing their oxygen through whatever condition they have, people become drowsy, people become less aware. Often we assist people in that by giving them pain relief, by giving them relaxants and so on to ease the process of natural death. In COVID we had a lot of people who maintained full awareness despite the fact that their oxygen levels were falling quite dramatically. So you were able to have full conversation with people who I knew would eminently die. And that is something. That is something that's really difficult because”
2024-02-16 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Emma Runswick One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“While I rotated through a whole variety of jobs through the COVID for several waves of COVID and as did many, many of my colleagues and the members of the BMA. And I think it's important to remember now that people dismiss it as a cold and just part of normal life just go to work, that this is a deadly condition that killed thousands of people and often in ways that we had, certainly I had not seen or anticipated before.”
2024-02-16 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Emma Runswick One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Yeah, and in some cases physically, you know, we've had lots of doctors who are repeatedly infected, repeat infections raise your risk for long COVID and long-term symptoms from that. And of course, some of our colleagues died. I don't think we should forget those colleagues that we lost. So what”
2024-02-16 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Emma Runswick One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Okay yet when you said it feels a long time ago it doesn't it doesn't feel a long time ago at all the pandemic is still raging we still see COVID patients people still die of COVID these things are present and more so the experiences that we had during the first couple of waves of the pandemic”
2024-02-16 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Emma Runswick One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Well, there's lots of spending even within the health that we have been very critical of. So, for example, we've written off £15 billion of fraud on PPE. I mean, attempting to get some of that back, you know, you've paid for pay restoration, you know, at least for doctors, you've paid for pay restoration. Beyond that, I mean, we're hearing the Conservative Party now talk about, you know, cutting inheritance tax, a tune which we think would cost even by their numbers four times the amount that they're not willing to spend on pay restoration and keeping doctors in the country. There are lots of choices that the government can make.”
2024-02-16 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Emma Runswick One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Mean, possibly, I would hope that it doesn't, but I hoped that back in October 2022, I hoped that we might have conversations at that point. But we're having those same discussions with Scotland, with the S&P government in Wales, with the Labour government, now in Northern Ireland, where they've finally got an administration back in Northern Ireland.”
2024-02-16 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Emma Runswick One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Maybe the dispute that we have now is not going to end with a change of government. It's going to end with progress on pay for doctors that enables us to keep doctors in the country. That's where the dispute ends.”
2024-02-16 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Emma Runswick One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Do I disagree with where streeting on? Oh, many things. So for example, he had some attacks on general practice last year. He's saying things like, oh, well, we just need better access. We should have patients having direct referral processes through, we don't really need as many GPs and so on. But general practice is currently falling apart of the seams. I think the approach was not very helpful. But again, he has moved back from some of those statements and we are now having more productive discussions with Street in and I'm kind of assuming now that he will be the next health secretary and will have this, you know, unless the Tories change again. And we'll have more discussions with him then. And whoever else is in charge in any of the four nations.”
2024-02-16 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Emma Runswick One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“He's rode back a bit more recently, but yeah, definitely he has some interesting ideas that we disagree with. But equally, you know, we're talking to Streeting and the Labour Party just in the same way that we talk to the Conservatives.”
2024-02-16 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Emma Runswick One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I mean, I think we're getting certainly some progress from the Labour Party. I mean, West Street is now talking about pay restoration being a journey. We're happy to hear that. The Labour Party in Wales, not so much. There's strike action now from junior doctors in Wales as well.”
2024-02-16 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Emma Runswick One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Personally, yeah, absolutely. I'd like to see that. I'd like to see a society in which the people who actually run society have far more control over it. That's what I'd like to say. Obviously, it's not a political position of the BMA. The BMA is non-partisan. It is that set of ideas, that set of ideas that brings me to trade unionism. And it's the set of ideas that I bring to trade unionism that have led to my election and the election of people like me.”
2024-02-16 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Emma Runswick One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I don't think it would be unreasonable. You know, why is it in society that we have decided that it's acceptable to make working people people who are running one of the most essential services in the country for those people to be poorer? Why? It doesn't have to be that way. We could make a different choice. We could politically make a different choice.”
2024-02-16 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Emma Runswick One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“What is it? So it's the reversal of about 26% real terms pay cut since 2008. That's been progressive over time. We think that it will cost about £1.1 billion in England for junior doctors. Other people have calculated it slightly differently. We've set up the real cost is about 1.1 billion because the government received some of it back in taxes.”
2024-02-16 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Emma Runswick One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Only if they are doing lots of additional work. So I think it's reasonable to say that somebody who is working 48 hours a week, some of that night, quite a lot of that weekends, should be paid more than £15 an hour.”
2024-02-16 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Emma Runswick One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“It's literally on the payslip, and you know, people have produced their payslips £14.08 an hour. That's what's on the payslip. That's what our hourly rate is. But that's not what they actually.”
2024-02-16 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Emma Runswick One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“But there are some people doing very well out of that. So there's huge numbers of people who have paid for the crisis, who never caused it. They're not worth any less. They shouldn't be poorer.”
2024-02-16 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Emma Runswick One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I don't think it's a mistake to ask for what you've had stolen from you back. I mean, it's a pay loss. You're saying anybody who's had a”
2024-02-16 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Emma Runswick One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“So in Scotland they got over two years 17.5%, three years of inflation plus, so i.e. a step towards pay restoration or steps towards pay restoration and much needed contract reform, they've considered that credible enough to put to members and to have an ongoing discussion with the Scottish Government to improve the health service. This is what this is about. It's about improving the lives of doctors so that we can improve the lives of patients.”
2024-02-16 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Emma Runswick One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“So, you know, is that going to happen immediately? Are we going to, you know, since we started this dispute in October 2022 for junior doctors, we have shifted the government really significantly. The current government, very significantly, from literally nothing, we're not going to talk to you. There is no possibility of any paid talks. That's it. To 3%, then 6% and a bit. And then now we're at potentially 12%. Now, most of that's already been wiped out by inflation and we are still losing our colleagues. But I don't think we should have to wait till election year to try and rescue the surface that we provide to patients.”
2024-02-16 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Emma Runswick One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I'm gonna come straight back to where I answered you, which is that if we don't do something, it continues to get worse. And not just this patient, but the hundreds upon thousands of patients who follow them will face worse care. So we have some choices to make. I agree it's a choice, right? But I would rather make the choice that benefits more. And you can't leave that to the other.”
2024-02-16 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Emma Runswick One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“But I'm very lucky, I think. We have to be grateful for the health just before us, doesn't it? And I can't imagine in reality, I can't imagine what it is like. And I'm genuinely very sorry that it is happening, but I'm sorry for all of the times it's happening.”
2024-02-16 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Emma Runswick One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“They do They do, but if we don't do something, then neither they nor the thousands and upon thousands upon thousands of people who need treatment in the future will have access to it. Because if we don't do something, the thousands of my colleagues that are going abroad will continue to leave. They won't return. And then we won't be able to have an NHS that serves people in the way that we want to.”
2024-02-16 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Emma Runswick One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“So we talk about the principles of metagletics being non-maleficence, doing as little harm as possible. There's always harm associated with healthcare. All of our drugs have side effects. All of our operations and so on. So doing the least possible harm, doing the most possible benefit, promoting autonomy. And then the fourth principle of medical ethics is justice. That's the fourth principle of medical ethics. We try and ensure the best care for the vast majority of people, you know, for the largest number of people. And we have choices to make when we are in a situation where actually the care that we give to the person in front of us is never the quality that I would like them to receive, the referral that I make for somebody is going to take many months, possibly years. They've probably waited many months to see me.”
2024-02-16 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Emma Runswick One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“So I think the health and well being of my patients and our patients is our first consideration. We're experiencing a health system in collapse. We're experiencing a health system where we cannot give the care that patients deserve. And we have choices. We either continue to let that happen around us and we make the individual decisions to leave, medicine or the country, as thousands of us are doing, or we make the decision to fight back. And I think the decision to fight back is the much more ethical position. During strike action, we ensure the safety of patients who need urgent emergency and critical care.”
2024-02-16 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Emma Runswick One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I didn't fight, so my parents who were always very supportive were gearing to go to support me, and I decided not to because homophobia and biphobia was such a prominent problem that frankly the attitude of the school, the institutional attitude of the school, was not the only problem, or indeed the primary problem.”
2024-02-16 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Emma Runswick One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“While it was repealed in two thousand three, this is really recent history. So I went to school in the secondary school in the immediate aftermath of that in reality. And that policy, the policy of we must not talk about this, was still very prominent. And we had, I mean, not very long after I came out a parent complained about me and my girlfriend. The school responded by separating us, banning each other's form rooms, moving my girlfriend down a math set so we didn't share any classes. And generally enforcing that, you know, no, you must not spend any time together in school. It must not be at all clear that there is any of that nonsense here. It was an approach that said, no, we must shut this down.”
2024-02-16 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Emma Runswick One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Yeah, school was a very hostile environment for me from a sexuality perspective. The shadow of section 28 is a long one and whilst it had been well repealed by the time I got to secondary school, it was still prominent in the attitudes of teachers and parents.”
2024-02-16 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Emma Runswick One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Yes, I think there's no shortage of activity to be involved in in Merseyside in secondary school. I was involved in work to save the libraries campaign on the Wirall. There was a strong anti-fascist movement that I was tangentially involved in not organising in, but we turned up to oppose the BNP when they leafleted in Liverpool. There were loads of things going on. Liverpool socialist singers, the choir, you know, being involved in all of those things around the periphery of all of those things, it was very easy to become involved in politics.”
2024-02-16 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Emma Runswick One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Well, I certainly got a warning or a demerit or whatever it was called for it, but that was very unusual. I was a very well-behaved child. I did well at school, I liked school. So it was unusual. I don't think the staff would have generally considered me a troublemaker, but I became one because I wasn't prepared to let picking off of individuals slide. I thought we would do better as a group, an organised group.”
2024-02-16 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Emma Runswick One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Aged ten or eleven I organised for everybody to also go on the wall and to refuse to go into lunch until they let the three people who had been punished go in as well. I wasn't about to stand there and let people who were standing up for us and standing up for us all be individually picked out.”
2024-02-16 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Emma Runswick One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Even in primary school. So we had a school council in primary school, which I was on, but we also had, you know, occasionally issues would come up. So I remember I must have been in year five, year six, or ten or eleven. There was an argument on a rainy day, so no kind of premise to this, no forward thinking of this event. On a rainy day that we should be let back inside there were people who hadn't prepared for that, no coats, cold, etc. But we were being fed into lunch in the same way as usual, leaving some people wet and cold and people were beginning to argue about that. They were getting into arguments with the dinner support staff. And about three of them got into trouble. They were put on the wall, which was a kind of a punishment.”
2024-02-16 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Emma Runswick One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Probably a picket line outside a job centre. There was a dispute going on around safety of job centre workers with screens. They'd had screens put in because there'd been a lot of abuse, a lot in some cases violence. So I went with my parents to that picket line and I was, I don't know, 5-ish. And I participated in asking people not to go to work. Don't you know where they're on strike today? So I was doing that from a very young, just copying really.”
2024-02-16 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Emma Runswick One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Yeah, but it was part of the campaign to shift the position in their union, much in the way that I've shifted the positions in mine.”
2024-02-16 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Emma Runswick One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Oh in a buggy you know I went on the dockers marches when I was in a buggy and there are pictures of me doing that. I was taken to trade union conferences, in some cases actively to be disruptive when they were having arguments about crash facilities and allowing parents to be involved. You know I was crawling down the aisle because they were making the point that they didn't really want children to be there and they should provide facilities so that parents could be involved.”
2024-02-16 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Emma Runswick One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Yes, absolutely. Both my parents were active, both locally and nationally, and they were working hard for their members, you know, their colleagues on both personal casework. So when somebody is in trouble, they support that person, but also on collective campaigns. So I spent a significant amount of my childhood on marches, on picket lines.”
2024-02-16 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Emma Runswick One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Now retired But very much so. So I was raised in a trade union family and my mum was for a time deputy president of PCS union. PS.”
2024-02-16 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Emma Runswick One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“To be tougher, and that doesn't mean leaving behind the professional association work at all. In fact, I see that professional association work as being pretty integral to our unionist approach as well. No.”
2024-02-16 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Emma Runswick One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source