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1. “Thank you so much for having me. Thank you so much for having me. And for your, you've got a great gift at these conversations. So it's wonderful to be a part of it. Thank you.”

   2022-03-17 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 481 — Erin Burnett · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source

2. “I guess I feel that it's good to not be alone in that feeling. But as the parent of kids, yeah, I mean, gosh, I always thought the whole point was to leave a better world for them than the world that we had and it makes me nervous. It makes me really nervous. And, you know, and talking to them about it, how do I talk to them about it? How do I explain it to them at their different ages and they're young, but they have a lot of questions and they want to know. And they knew I was in Ukraine for two weeks and they kept thinking I was coming home and I didn't come home. And so they were watching a lot and processing a lot. And what do you say to them when you don't know yourself? And I guess this has happened in every other generation, right? So it would be a lot of hubris to think that we're alone, but we're now having those same feelings of fear and impermanence.”

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3. “Tim Geithner had said something about, but maybe your ATM card wouldn't work. Maybe there would be no money. And I remember the fear of sitting and saying, what would happen? I live in New York City. What happened in a day or two if we didn't have access to the very basic things that define modern life, ATMs being one of them? And it was a sense of Fear and that things, everything that I had taken for granted as part of my life could go away, this complete unsettled feeling, right? I'm having that again now. And I think we're all having that again now, whether it be the images are so haunting and the threat of escalation and what it would mean from a pure nuclear perspective, something the world's never faced before. And it's that same feeling of a great unknown and a feeling of impermanence and fear. And I think we're all feeling it.”

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4. “Well, I don't know how she'll remember it. I don't even pretend to know that, but it has changed me. It has changed me. And I remember, you know, you talk about the financial crisis. I remember those moments of fear. I'm sure you remember it too. You know, when”

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5. “And it just makes me reminds me of, you know, in Russia for the sanctions to be effective at this point, they have to impact regular people, and they are. But when they impact regular people, you don't know how regular people are going to perceive it. Are they going to perceive it as let's get rid of our government? Are they going to perceive it as, well, let's get on board with our government? Because this is being done to us by somebody else. And that's the big question that we don't know the answer to.”

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6. “Hard, the sanctions were being enforced, it was working. And in Tehran, I'm not saying Ermin Aldo Zenya store was full, but it was there and there were some people in it, right? The revolutionary guards were still able to function. They still had their fancy cars that were coming in from Qatar, their Mercedes. But the regular people were talking about watermelon prices and tomato prices and how they doubled and they couldn't afford it.”

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7. “And make just as much money. So, how do you prevent them from doing that? Well, oil is priced in dollars, they can't deal in dollars. Well, that's why China is so important, because China needs oil and China can buy the oil. They can buy it in Rem Nibi, which obviously they're currency. Russia can use that Remni to buy things from China. If China wants to actively help, they can help. They can't stop the entire impact, but they can be a significant player. I think that's just an important thing to keep an eye on of what they choose to do and how they choose to act, separate from what they may end up saying. And obviously they're trying to have it every which way right now. But I also think about once when I was in Iran covering the sanctions, when they were incredibly severe and they had become much more effective, right? It was actually hard to get Iranian money in Dubai. And the last time when I'd gone in, it was very easy, even though you technically weren't supposed to, but it had become.”

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8. “You're right on both things. One, they're incredibly powerful to sanctions thus far. Two, there is still more that can be done, but you do run out of pedals. I guess it's, you know, I sort of think about it in two ways. One, how effective can they be? China's just so important here, David, because obviously one barrel of oil looks like another, and Iran has known that for a long time, right? You just have to get him on a tanker. You can sell him at a discount to the regular price, but you can still get paid. And when prices have doubled, you know, it's like surged like we've seen, right? Russia can afford to sell a lot less”

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9. “Just think about, I mean, on a small basis, I think about how much time the kind of constant feeling of Like excruciating boredom because you're waiting and you're waiting all day and there's nothing. Oh, there's nothing right. You're waiting. You don't know what's going to happen. And then when it happens, it's sudden and fearsome, you know, or you hear an air raid siren and, you know, they're going and they're sitting in basements for hours and hours, days in some cases. You know, what they're actually going through. And, you know, it disturbs me, David. I see the numbers, right? So the UN is saying about 3 million people have left. And I don't know how many people were out of the country at the time of the actual invasion, but it certainly wasn't many because the US have been telling them to leave, right? Because the Ukrainian government was telling them not to leave and that this was not something to worry about. So I don't know exactly the number of people who were in the country, but the population of the country is 45 million and about 3 million people have left. Even if you assume another couple of million or a few million were out, think about how many people are still in that country dealing with what's going on in the East. And, you know, words can't describe it, right?”

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10. “willingly and with pride separating as families because that was what needed to happen right because the men needed to stay. You know, I didn't meet anybody who was trying to find a way out or cheat the system or anything like that. Nothing and it was just so orderly. You know, you think of it in a situation where suddenly your life is ripped apart and you're heading for the border and there's these interminable lines and checkpoints and military entire stacked up. And people were waiting in line. People were waiting in line. People were going to run. Just waited. And it was a pretty incredible example of human fortitude.”

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11. “You start to weep yourself. I mean, this, they had a normal life, and it was just, and it's gone. And then you're sitting for me watching the little girls. And I saw this in so many children. And I think it was part of what made it so difficult to deal with emotionally was just that they were sort of pulling on their mom like, oh, can we just end this conversation and leave? As if they were in the department store and had run into, you know, a friend, not that their lives had just been upended. just the way normal children would act in a normal situation even though you know that seeing your mother weep like that is deeply upsetting for a child of that age um and there were just you know so many instances of that and and people just willingly”

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12. “That wasn't acceptable. You have to be a dual citizen in order to leave if you were a man. Work papers didn't count, so he had to stay because he was between the ages of 18 and 60. So they decided to turn around as a family. And she's telling me this and she just starts weeping. I mean, just weeping, you know, sort of, and when I use that word, I mean, you know, sobbing would be energetic. Weeping was just exhaustion that she was feeling. And, you know”

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13. “Were some sort of rest area places that were kind of functioning, not that far away, which was, by the way, incredible. They were going and getting money out of ATMs and they were getting trivia out of ATMs. They were not getting dollars, which is such stark contrast to what you saw in Moscow, right? Where they were going to ATMs because they didn't want rubles. So there's a confidence and the belief that the Ukrainians had in their country and themselves was quite inspirational. But at one of these rest stops and I'm in the bathroom with a woman so of course I start talking to her and she has two children. They were both girls. I would have maybe six and four or five and seven right around there. And her English was absolutely perfect. And so she's talking about how they had gone to the border and they waited, you know, two days to get out. And then when they got to the border, their husband, her husband, who had work papers in Poland, which is sort of how it used to work, right? You'd have to have a work paper because a lot of Ukrainians would work in Poland that they found out that”

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14. “As I was saying, it was incredible to see a place change. And it was a place under incredible stress and tension coming in, but it was a place that was a normal place. People were going out. Stores were open. People were going to school. People were going to work, right? And then that changed so suddenly. But it was just, let me gosh, there were so many instances, David, but there was one where I was in a bathroom with a woman. We had been actually trying to go across the border. So this was. When we were leaving the country. And the border was 30 miles to the border. People were walking, right? And it was at best 60 hours. I think it took several days for some people who ultimately started where we started. So we had turned around and we were going to go to another border and all the gas stations are out of gas.”

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15. “I felt that I would be truly bawling and it wasn't my place. She was there and telling the story and it's her loss, you know. And she was remarkably uncontrol. Was sort of a who am I to be the one to feel this emotion when she was able to handle it so well, I guess would have been for lack of anything else was sort of what I was thinking”

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16. “I guess I did a little bit, but I I felt, and maybe COVID did this for all of us. Mean, I wouldn't say COVID, but I mean, you know, it was just. Everybody was vulnerable and everybody was uncertain, and everybody was afraid. And I felt just as a world, we were facing such loss. And then obviously within that, there are these individuals who are facing, you know, the most incredible and painful loss a human can face, right? The loss of a spouse or a child. Yeah, it just came upon me. It just came upon me, I guess, is the best way to describe it. And I did try to control it, I guess, but not because I was afraid of it, but because I really felt that if I didn't control it, I really would.”

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17. “Yes. Oh, yes, it did. I mean, there's no question about it having, and I feel that this is true for everyone when you become a parent. You know, you don't, I was trying to say, I forgot who I was having this conversation with the other day. It doesn't change who you are. It's not that you become a different person, but you become a bigger person and you become a more vulnerable person in different ways. And I think that's what being a parent is about. You have a more acute sense of what there is to lose in life. And you have an actual physical awareness that life is not about you and that you're just a stop in the path, right? But before you have kids, it's very much about you, right? I mean, what am I going to do? Where am I going to go? What is it about, you know, it's very easy to be in that sort of thinking? And then when you have children, all of a sudden that changes.”

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18. “And then, and life takes something from you. I don't know, I think none of us, no one can help but be. Incredibly moved by the loss and suffering that people go through”

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19. “That's a good question. You know, everyone's life has its own imperfections. And I guess I've been incredibly lucky. I'm not really a religious person, so I don't want to use the word blessed out of line. But I have been incredibly lucky to be able to make of my life what I wanted to. And I think when I see, you know, when you see what's happening in Ukraine and you meet people or you see someone like Maura Lewinger, that's the woman you're referring to. Yes, yes.”

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20. “And finding the dry ice, and it turns out in Paris, they don't use coolers, like the picnics for Paris when you go to picnic in the park. They don't really use coolers. Well, I'm thinking, okay, I can just go to Carafor and get a cooler. So anyway, just little things like that. But on the macro level, it is because you just, you know, you want, there's nothing more important in life than your kids. And there's no time that is more joyful than the time you spend with them. And yet, who you are professionally is important to what you want them to see and who you want them to be. But it is. They are the most important thing in my life. And that, of course, is true for any parent.”

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21. “Spent that week with the kids. My husband was here too, but she came, and that was with her kids, and that was really helpful. And I just remember, I mean, there's just logistical things, you know, you know, just, you know, you're dealing with breastfeeding and then you're traveling everywhere. So I found this company Milk Stork that if you're domestic will ship your milk home. So like I'm in every place for every debate and every primary and shipping this stuff home and then I had to ship from one time I had to dry ice back from Dubai and one time from Paris because I went to Paris right after my second child was born. She was two months old and for the horrific Batacon attack. And just remember, you know, while you're there and you're working 22 hours a day and you're finding a way to store the milk in such a way that it could be preserved so that you could bring it home.”

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22. “Well, I am not insulted by the question because I agree with you. Yes, it's hard. But I mean, look, I say this in the context of I have three healthy children and I have a job that I adore. And I realize that that combination and that, you know, I understand that I am unbelievably lucky in so many ways. But it is hard. I mean, I missed my daughter's first birthday because I had to be in Cleveland for the Republican National Convention. And that was really hard. My sister actually, one of my sisters came and, you know,”

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23. “He cares, and our shot matters. And that was what he brought to the table. And it was on every single level. And it's funny because then I mentioned to Jeff this conversation when he said, well, I don't remember that conversation, but that does sound exactly like something I would do. I presume because there were so many of those conversations.”

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24. “Why was our shot? Why was our shot not as good as the ones in the center? And it didn't come off like he was mad at them. It came off to them that he took the time to watch the presser, notice the shot, want the better shot, get the phone number of the photojournalists, and call a guy. And the guy tells the story, you know, sort of about how that made them always play up and want to be their best, right? That the takeaway from that call and the way it was handled wasn't what an asshole. The takeaway was, wow.”

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25. “Yes, he had that ability and he had the ability to make everybody play up, right? To make everybody play up. I was actually talking to a photojournalist who I was with in Ukraine and people are talking about Jeff and him leaving and they tell the story about, I believe it was Trump and oppressor with, I think it was the prime minister. It might have been, I don't know if it was just Cinda Ardern from New Zealand or maybe it was Australia, but and I apologize for not remembering which one it was. But anyway, they're filming this press conference and they're, you know, there's a series of risers, right? The two podiums in the front, the series of risers, and the CNN photojournalist is at the, you know, far left or the far right. And they film it. And immediately after there's a call from Jeff to the photojournalist.”

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26. “Well, I remember saying to Jaff when he came, and Jeff, and I had done stuff with a Today Show for Jeff. And so I think he had thought that that might be something that would work. And I remember saying, you know, I think we really can do something great at seven. I know, I really believe in it. I really think we can do something. And, you know, luckily he gave me the chance to do that because that was still very early on. So I am grateful to him for that.”

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27. “And then you would continue. But I came into CNN in between news events. And so there was nothing to ride. So you actually had to sit there and try to figure out what muscle group to use to do something, right? You try this, try that. And so it was a creative process that was definitely challenging, like I said, because it's not anyone who tells you, oh, it doesn't matter if the numbers are bad, you know, you can just do great content. I don't buy it when people say that. It's difficult because you want to do well. You want people to say you want it too well”

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28. “You know, if you come in to CNN and things changed over time, but if you came into CNN at a time when there was a news event, right, you could kind of ride the news event.”

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29. “Just because of the numbers were bad, the numbers were bad, and that's hard. I'll be honest with you, that's hard. But it forced us.”

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30. “And it was Anderson and I climbing around these tanks to go into a place. And this was actually very near when I left CNBC and NBC. And I just, you know, this is the right place for me to be. So I was never looked back and never had a moment of regret, but it was hard at first. But in a sense, I...”

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31. “Oh, yes. I mean, you know, he could so I came, I guess, about maybe 18 months before Jeff. And yes, I like your description flat on its back and more of it at the time. Piers Morgan was there. And Piers and Anderson and I would sort of, I mean, joke, I don't even want to use the word joke because it was obviously very depressing in terms of the performance, but it was just like, you know, which show would do worse at night. You know, it didn't matter what you did. It didn't matter how thoughtful or proud you were of your content. It just was the naydier of the network. So that is definitely true. But I always felt, I mean, I came to CNN because I just had always had this dream of I loved international and I wanted to do international politics and international news and international events. And I had been to, I remember going to Cairo for the Arab Spring.”

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32. “Chamber, and it's an increasingly tinier and tinier and tinier echo chamber depending on whatever you've surrounded yourself by. And I don't really know the answer on how to get out of that, but I'm deeply worried by it. I will admit that. I am deeply worried by it.”

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33. “And I feel like too many of the conversations center on social media. And social media often can distort what people really feel and it can distort the conversations we really should be having, right? So it both distorts the perspective people have and it distorts the complexity and nuance with which you can talk about a serious issue. And so I don't want to blame it all on that. But I do think that that has permeated things. You know, back, you know, before social media, it was, well, let's talk about how Fox News has enabled there to have people get an echo chamber of their political perspective vis- ⁇-vis cable, right? And MSNBC became the counteract, the counter to that. Social media has put that on steroids, right? And now the disinformation that you are getting when it comes down to any specific story right now, what we're seeing with the war, with the Russian attack on Ukraine, it's all related because you live in an echo.”

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34. “And in that sense, it's social media, it brings out the polemics, right? It's just one side, right? One side or the other. There's a great indignation about everything that's said. There's only one way to see it. And when you layer that on top of really serious conversations about let's really talk about what we need to do about inequality, when you can't even start the conversation because you're either over here, you're over here, it becomes really hard to make progress.”

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35. “Yeah, I don't know how much of an appreciation for that there is. I mean, I certainly think in part some, in part some, right? I mean, definitely you have seen people realize, right, that there needs to be some course corrections in any healthy economy. So it doesn't mean you have to say you're suddenly not capitalists to say that you want that there is the necessity for some course correction. That would be, it would seem part of a healthy democracy, right? Would be having those conversations and doing that. I find it hard, David, to strip out the role of, I don't want to oversimplify it, but the role of social media. Because I see Donald Trump in many ways right as the output of a system rather than the creator of the system.”

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36. “There were times, but I would say I think that he, I don't know, I mean, you know, what I would hear from people who were, you know, in the room with him frequently, you know, people that I had known before, right, who stayed in touch with him, you know, he sort of felt that, well, now you're at CNN and you perceived it as you're not on my team.”

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37. “It was just a telling moment because it showed that even with the, you know, when you hear the phone calls that came out regarding Zelensky, he assumes everything is going to be taped and he is incredibly shrewd about what he says and what he doesn't say in almost every setting. He has incredible awareness about that. And I always found that to be just an interesting commentary on who he was. But there was always this desire that I'm sure, you know, we're all aware of it, right? People want to think, oh, he doesn't think through things. He's not bright. He's not, I wouldn't agree with any of that. I think that he is incredibly shrewd about what he says and why he says it and when he says it.”

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38. “And then when he was running for president, he was using that temporarily as sort of his headquarters. So a lot of stuff was done there. And we were there and did an interview. And it was sort of midway through his process. And I said something like, well, you know, and I had remembered, you know, going there over the years that the ICBC, I'm pretty sure it was, Bank of China, International ICBC China, had a lot of floors in his building, you know, because when the elevator would stop, you would see their logo. And I said, you know, now you're running for president. You would presume right they're going to be recording every single thing you say, right? Every single conversation. And he said, oh, yeah, sure. Whatever. I'm in real estate. I know that every phone call I've ever had for 20 years has been recorded by somebody.”

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39. “I think you're very right about that. And I also think, gosh, I remember one time having conversation with him. We had gone over and done an interview. The apprentice was always filmed on a different floor of Trump Tower where everything was sort of blown out, you know, so you could see all the pipes and the ceilings. And that was part of the thing. And then there'd be the room that was done up like the boardroom”

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40. “Including other television people that we've been talking about. And you just knew that he would be saying the same things about you if you weren't there. And maybe that's part of it.”

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41. “You never walked out of an interaction with him feeling better about yourself, even if he said all kinds of things to you about how wonderful you were and how great you looked and how he is, like you're talking about. Somehow he always walked out feeling kind of Worse about yourself. And, you know, that's just a feeling. But I mean, you talk about whoever it is. And, you know, he would say things about all kinds of people that were so not kind and often focused on their physical appearance.”

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42. “It was never room for silence. And he would, you know, literally, you would get the feeling if he was on his way somewhere, who knows where I was, one of his golf courses or something, and he would call the guy, as we know, never text, never uses emails, but he would call. And he would get the feeling he's just calling to find somebody who would answer the phone to talk to. He just couldn't be alone with himself. And I guess when I think back on it, I see that as obviously what we have all seen is such a part of who he is. And also a sort of person who takes the oxygen out of the room.”

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43. “I don't know that I'd go that far because you only know what you know at the time. You know, my interactions with him, I mean, I never experienced what I now know people I know experience, right, in terms of the sexual advances and things like that. But I myself never experienced that. I would say one thing about him, he had no room for silence. He had no room for silence. You know, when you would be in a room with him, right? It would be, he would be putting you on speaker, putting on speaker and putting you in mute, you know, so no one knew you were there when he was talking to somebody, which we now know notoriously he did in all sorts of ways, or he'd be showing off Shaq's Shaquille O'Neill's shoes, you know, whatever it was.”

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44. “I will tell you he did talk about running for president a lot. He always would say I would do better. And then there would be comments along the years, gosh, I remember one. He's like, I just don't understand why we just don't just don't fly in and bomb all the oil fields in Saudi Arabia. Let's just bomb them all. And, you know, I mean, so this is, he did have a feeling that he could do things better than anybody else was doing them. And he did have this ambition, that's for sure. I mean, it wasn't, I never took it seriously when I would hear him talk like that, but obviously in retrospect, it all became clear that it was deeply serious.”

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45. “I wouldn't have had that sense then. I always thought her greatest strength was that she was a hard worker. And I feel that she lost her way. I mean, clearly she's lost her way. But I don't really know. You know, I'm not obviously personally close to her. But I think it's sad what's happened, to be honest, because she was a very hard worker.”

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46. “We definitely were, and I you know, gosh, I don't know, and maybe as life goes on, I'll get more even more perspective on it, but I think there is a desire out there for there to be a woman versus woman thing. I hope that that's lessened over time. But when I was there, that was certainly a part of it. You know, Vanity Fair did an article and it was about me versus Maria. And it's like, why would that be the article? You know, I mean, I don't so that I think there was a desire for that sort of a narrative. And I think that's lessened over time. I hope that's lessened over time so women don't have to go through that.”

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47. “Who believe in you, sometimes that's not going to be enough, and I have always been lucky to have those people and one of those people was Mark.”

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48. “It definitely was irritating. And I'll say, you know, I had a lot of good friends there at CNBC at the time who have remained good friends. But I also had the benefit of a partnership with Mark Haines. And Mark was obviously significantly older than I was and had the ability when I came in to truly treat me as just there, as whatever you want to call it, eye candy, his sidekick, you know, just there to look good. And Mark didn't. Mark treated me from day one as a partner. And we became an incredible partnership. And I really credit him for so much of that. Because you can come to the table and bring a drive and an ambition and everything, right? Hotspot, all of it. But if you don't have people around you who enable it.”

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49. “And so I got to travel the world for them. Most of the time, you know, doing business stuff. And then as time went by, also some international stories like the Nigerian bomber or the. Arab Spring in Cairo, so it sort of transitioned, but it was so much of the ability to travel. I remember planning, okay, where do we, where should we go next? What is the next place that people want to see, that there's something exciting or an adventure happening? And so I just remember it being this feeling of infinite possibility.”

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50. “I think, I don't know. I just, you know, you just kind of go, go, go, and you're working and you're driven and it was so exciting. It was just an exciting place to be because, you know, as you pointed out, I was there for the crash. But I was also there for kind of the boom and the pre-crash, right? So it was sort of. And then the crash itself. So I think there was just so much excitement within all that. And, you know, as I mentioned, I love traveling, traveling and international. And I always wanted to do international affairs and politics, but the money part of all of this is so central. I mean, goodness knows we see it now, right? With the sanctions in the military, all of it.”

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