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Esther McVey

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first: 2019-03-15
most recent: 2019-03-15
sittings or episodes: 1
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“You know, most parties aren't very good, maybe it's succession planning. And what she can't do is walk away. Cameron, I would have loved Cameron to have stayed, but he walked away. He didn't think he could do it. So, really, there will be, I think, and I think it would be best if it was thought about, it was time properly, it was staged properly, it was a proper thank you, and then the next leader came in. We do not need more disruption at a time of disruption. We need calm, we need thought, we need kindness, and we need to bring ourselves together.”
2019-03-15 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Esther McVey One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“You know, it has become a very difficult time for her. The only thing I want to make sure, right? She took on a very difficult role. She had a very difficult pack of cards. The lady has to leave in a dignified manner. We have got to thank her for everything she has done. It has been a thankless task and she has worked 24-7. So she has done the most dutiful and hard of jobs and we can never take that away from her. Even if I don't like how she's done Brexit, I will never take away what she's done.”
2019-03-15 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Esther McVey One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Well, thank you very much indeed. But I do have it as another lady. But to be fair, I don't really care so long as it is the best person for our party. I don't really care so long as they live up to democracy, bring back all the rules to the house, deliver on Brexit, get trust back of the public and go back to doing what a good Tory does, giving us a strong country that we can be proud of.”
2019-03-15 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Esther McVey One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Whose song was that? It was the who sang the song three times a lady. Who was it? You forgot. Lionel Ritchie three times a lady. I hope so.”
2019-03-15 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Esther McVey One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“And that was about alliteration. And how it came about, because there's always a reality in how something comes about, I ended up giving a speech at a leave means, leave rally. And I was amazed who was in the audience, there was young girls, there was women, there was, I don't know, mums, teachers, doctors, parents. And they all came over to us at the end, and they were very gentle. A lot of them, they'd never been to a rally before. Brexit wasn't the main thing in their life, but they believed in democracy and they felt the only way a democracy survives if the losing side gives in and says this is a democratic vote that goes forward. So I said, why don't us ladies get together? 8.3 million ladies, women, call them as you will. I'm afraid I don't get precious on those words and say this is what we voted for. So it came about. So there was a bit tongue-in-cheek. I give you that. It was literature.”
2019-03-15 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Esther McVey One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“It'll depend if it's enough for the DUP, remember, because if it's not, it probably won't and we won't have enough people. So it's not just on sort of what I say and others say. But as you said, when you're looking down now at no Brexit because of the weakness of our government and what's gone on, you've got to say, then we might have to take a bad deal.”
2019-03-15 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Esther McVey One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Well, I can still speak to people in the tea room who are completely diametrically opposed to me. The first thing I did when Sarah Newton resigned was getting touch, saying she was a magnificent minister and she'd be a loss to the department because I believe in her and other things. We've got to say that was one issue come together. So I do chat and speak with other people. I can get on with Greg, with Phil Hammond, with Amber, but not on this issue. We've got to move past that. We can't let the party down. And by the way, it's not just in the Conservative Party, the Labour Party is”
2019-03-15 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Esther McVey One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“How do you come together? Principles of how a government runs So, what we do, and some of the things that I'm doing and working with lots of fellow colleagues are, is looking at things like working class Tories. What do they need? So we need more police on the ground. I wrote an article the other day about really should we be spending that amount of money on foreign aid? Wouldn't that be better to go to police? I've written stories on, yes, we need more money to go to schools. That's what we should be spending. I always said instead of the 39 billion to Europe, we should have been looking at what's at home. Instead of all that foreign aid going, what are we doing at home? So we need a...”
2019-03-15 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Esther McVey One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“So that was all of the people who went against a relative world. Just one example. Well, I'm saying all of them. So please don't focus it on an intention”
2019-03-15 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Esther McVey One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Just No, hang on a sec, the garbage was that the economy would tumble by 5%. The economy was that unemployment rise. And none of that unemployment did not rise. Employment rose and the economy didn't crash. To be honest, that is the difference.”
2019-03-15 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Esther McVey One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“So, what we know definitely wasn't true was that as soon as we voted for leave, that there would be 700,000 more people sort of unemployed. That did not happen. When you were an interview.”
2019-03-15 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Esther McVey One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“But the question Well, I will say this, Nick. Did you know what was going to happen between 75 to 2019, how the EU would change? Oh, 12.”
2019-03-15 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Esther McVey One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Yes, to join the Euro. How do you know that won't become an opt-in like you never knew what went on from 75 to now? How come you don't know what's going to happen now going forward? So you righted it. There is an opt-out now.”
2019-03-15 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Esther McVey One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I appreciate that Twitter isn't the place to start necessarily a conversation. But what I was pointing out, in 1975 when you joined the Common Market, nobody knew how things would change. Nobody knew freedom of movement would go from workers to people to more countries joining. Nobody knew you'd have a qualified majority voting. And in the referendum, everybody said it was lies when we talked about an EU army and now they're seriously discussing it. So the point is about the...”
2019-03-15 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Esther McVey One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Of course, they can't stay in a government. You can't rip up the rule book. As I said, you are creating the territory for Marxism to come in. You are destroying democracy. How can we ever go around the world and say, oh, adhere to this democratic vote when we didn't do it ourselves, destroying democracy, destroying trust with the public, we cannot do it?”
2019-03-15 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Esther McVey One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Yes, but I think where you saw people not adhering to collective responsibility, they can't remain in cabinet. You can't rip up the rule books because sitting opposite is a Marxist frontbench. Growing up in Liverpool with militant Marxists, this is the chaos that they want. They want upset and they want chaos. They live in the revolution. We are, by ripping up the rules of parliament, by ripping up the rules of process, by not adhering to democracy. We are laying fertile territory for Marxists to come through. So let's look at what's happening.”
2019-03-15 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Esther McVey One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“what I've asked for, which is, and I have written a list of what we needed to do, and that really starts with a complete shift of negotiators for who's going to do the second phase as we go forward. So I have sent in a list of certain things that does need to happen for us to be able to do the second phase of the deal to make sure that we get a Brexit.”
2019-03-15 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Esther McVey One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Yes, I don't know what the number is, but they will have to do that if they therefore now want Brexit because of what has happened. And I think what happened in the House yesterday and the day before shows that without doubt, we don't have a Prime Minister who believed no deal was better than a bad deal. You've got a Prime Minister who's saying a deal at any cost. And that could be chucking Brexit under a bus.”
2019-03-15 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Esther McVey One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“They'll know it's a rubbish deal. They'll know they didn't believe, and neither would I have believed, having got warm words from people in authority, we will do this. And remember, the 100 plus times we will be out on the 29th of March. Absolutely not. Remember those words, we will not be a part of the customs union. Remember, we will not be part of the single market. All of those red lines. Would you have believed they would have been broke?”
2019-03-15 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Esther McVey One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“We'll know she's let time slip away now and you never went back in November, you decided instead not to do anything in the December, come back to the house with the same deal in the January. So basically you have got a team that has run down the clock, you've got a House of Parliament that has given away all your leverages. So you're quite right. Next week, people will have to say where we are now with an emboldened cabinet who now doesn't even adhere to collective responsibility, who can sit as bold as brass on the front bench and not vote with the three-lined whip. So you've got an emboldened Remain Cabinet, you've got an emboldened Remained Parliament, and you have got them extending, as I say, Article 50 and throwing away no deal. So we will have to think about what are you going to do because you're quite right. The element is now people will have to take a bad deal rather than no deal.”
2019-03-15 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Esther McVey One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“And so did the public, as you'll well know, her polling increased because people thought you're standing up for the democratic vote of the people. And you think she's still being...”
2019-03-15 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Esther McVey One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Of the Prime Minister is who we've got, but she's also got in a Chancellor who's an arch Remainer, a Minister for Trade, who's an arch-remainer, Deputy Prime Minister, Arch Remainer. The whole team there numerically is an arch remainder. Ollie Robbins a Remainer, Gavin Barwell a Remainer. So there needs to be a fundamental shift. So what we've got, instead of in November, when I said this will go down to a significant defeat, as it was a historic defeat, I said you need to have another Salzburg moment. You need to go back and say this isn't good enough for cabinet this deal. It isn't good enough for the House. Change what needs to be changed.”
2019-03-15 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Esther McVey One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“So, this deal didn't bring us back our laws, our borders, our money and allow us to make free trade agreements. It is a rubbish deal by anybody standards. The negotiators need to be changed and we need a new team in there and you need to Brexit-led team in there to take it through. Now, if you are saying...”
2019-03-15 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Esther McVey One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“No, you've got to see the journey that it's been on. And most people now are appalled at what's going on in Parliament outside the sort of Westminster bubble. People are saying three years ago, nearly, we voted for this. What is going on? And then to see this week people taking off no deal are negotiating sort of leverage that you had there and extending Article 50 to which they said they wouldn't do. Unfortunately, the MPs of Parliament have never reconciled with the fact that the country said we wanted to leave the EU.”
2019-03-15 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Esther McVey One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“So I worked eight months and stayed underneath the radar working feverishly to get close to $8 billion back of that $12 billion into the department. Now look, life is such that you can't always take credit for it because of the timing of what everything happened. But most important to me was that money came back into the department. And if the person after me can then say, oh, we've got it now and spend it, you know, such is life. There is nothing I can do about that. But the fact that I spent eight months getting that money in is really what makes me proud of what I did there.”
2019-03-15 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Esther McVey One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Well, I knew I was going in to get that money back. So I got and I fought till ten o'clock the night before of the Monday the 1st of the budget an extra $4.5 billion for the work allowances for self-employed people. I got an extra one and a half billion for severe disability premiums.”
2019-03-15 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Esther McVey One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Yeah, so as it was a joke and all this doesn't hold water with me. But can I just say because of his coarsening of the dialogue in politics, because of what he's doing, you now see in his party his own members saying to him, this is not working. What has happened there? That's why they've broken up as separate parties because of this.”
2019-03-15 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Esther McVey One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“No, no, no. I walked over to him in the tea room. Yeah. To which I got a very rude letter back from him. But I did ask him to do that because I thought, why don't we put it to bed now? Let's not let it explode, exaggerate, increase in size, because that is what it could do and he allowed it to do”
2019-03-15 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Esther McVey One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Can I say John always says it's a joke, whether he was talking about killing Margaret Thatcher, whether he was talking about having me lynched. There's always an explanation.”
2019-03-15 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Esther McVey One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“So I said that was 2015, and that we think about it. And I said, you cannot take that money out. So you're going to have to think about what we do. So when I got the opportunity to come back into the department, I knew what I was taking on there. Trust me, Justine Greening had turned it down as a difficult job. And I thought, I know what will happen, all of the abuse that you talked about that I had, John McDonald saying, lynch thee, and I won't say what word he said. So all of that vitriol and venom I knew was going to come back at me, which it did.”
2019-03-15 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Esther McVey One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“In twenty sixteen, when the extra $12 billion was taken out, I wasn't here. And at the time, I said, you cannot take that extra money out.”
2019-03-15 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Esther McVey One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“No, no, no, this is at the time 2012-13. So I went to David Cameron. I said, look We've seen the size, we've seen the scale, we see what's happening. It is a global phenomenon. What can we do? I also understand how people spend their money now is totally different. Lifetimes have changed. Like when I was growing up, the best you'd probably have is either a pair of black plimp soles or green flash pumps. Now people will have designer shoes. People now need, as they see it, a mobile phone to connect with the world to get a job, to move on. You've got to have an iPad to be able to connect, to look for a job, to be educated, to go to university. So people's expenditure has changed significantly to a large amount. So I said, could we therefore put money into what would be food to help people get food? But at the same time, not just give them money for food. Can we not put in the food banks, somebody who's helping you with debt advice, somebody who's going to be a work coach and move on to which they said no?”
2019-03-15 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Esther McVey One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I've always been a straight talking and I've always given an answer to a question that was asked. So the question that was asked to me was are food banks rising, are the number of people going there rising? Well, I never dodge the question. I never said no and tried to obfuscate and give sort of rational reasons. I said at that time, to the answer very straightly, yes, that's right. It is rising, the number is rising. And then I should imagine the chamber. It's all screaming and shouting and people are saying things from different sides. And as I try to follow on with the next sentence and saying, and if we look at it globally, you will see whether that is Canada, whether that is America, whether that is Germany. It is a phenomenon we are seeing across the world. Now, actually, there are things that people don't know that I did request, could we buy it out as a government?”
2019-03-15 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Esther McVey One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Which for me destroyed the city. I didn't go back as an act of antagonism to become a Tory in the city. What I thought it needed rather than a blinkered view unquestionably following some socialist dogma, I felt surely if somebody comes back who you trust, who you like, who comes from the city with working classroots and says, oh, let's look at this another way. Can we question that? Do you really think that's how we're going to get people into jobs? So I just wanted to come home with a different political question just to say, can we not do it better or work together as a team to question stuff?”
2019-03-15 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Esther McVey One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“That was basically it. It was how dare a scouser become a Tory? And you're quite right, especially from the background you've got. And you mentioned the 80s, what happened there under people would say Thatcher. And yet I grew up in the 80s and I looked at militant.”
2019-03-15 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Esther McVey One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Because you've got to believe in something. And although I enjoyed and had a fabulous time in TV, again, I didn't necessarily know I was going to go into TV. I studied law. It was only because I was working as a waitress in Covent Garden and mixed with different people. I thought this sounds like an interesting job. But the more I was in there and the more I was, I don't know, 10, 12, 14 years, I thought, this isn't for me. I'm just talking about the things that matter and asking questions. But if you fundamentally want to change things in life, you better get into the place where you can change things. And that was why I wanted to be a part of it rather than passing comment on it.”
2019-03-15 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Esther McVey One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“But my mum said, Est, you're not going to go into politics, are you? People like you when you're working on tele? You have friends. You get invited to nice parties. You have a good social life. Why would you give all that up to go into politics? And worse, why would you be a Tory on Mersey side? And she said, when I was thinking of Duit, your hometown, they will hate you for being a Tory.”
2019-03-15 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Esther McVey One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“No, I don't think I'd analyze myself that much. If it means that I know what I believe in more because I've fought for it more, I've tried for it more and I've tried to understand the history of my city and why I'd say things haven't changed much for the complete duration that we've had. A socialist running the sort of city. And yet when you look back at the history of Liverpool, it's most successful times where actually when it returned more conservative MPs than any other city in the country. So I have looked at that. And equally, the cities that I come from, which are, you know, I would say... I took that side of the city, but I yearned to challenge the belief, the political belief, which is almost a religion of the city, and that has got me, I think, into deep water. But as a city, we do challenge and ask questions.”
2019-03-15 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Esther McVey One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I do, and it wasn't sort of explained to us like that, really, because it's somebody else's story in a way. It's my mum and dad's story, not mine. The people I'd obviously lived with had been very good and kind. So I only ever remember kindness and love. And probably a big family is and lots of noise. It was a loving environment. But I think from that it does make you appreciate kindness. It makes you understand if you don't have money there's not much you can do. It makes you understand the value of money and also you can't spend what you haven't got. So I think there's a lot sort of in there that you do subconsciously take on board.”
2019-03-15 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Esther McVey One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Noah, I didn't absolutely not because I knew that they loved me and they wanted me back and they'd had me. But what they also knew that they couldn't afford me at the time and it wasn't a great environment at the time. So the best way was to go to a charity. They chose a charity rather than the state or anything else who my mum would have done all the research on this. Where could they still visit you? How could they ensure that you're in a safe environment and people who could give you what you needed knowing that they were going to take you back? So that to me is love and its utmost, isn't it? Knowing that you can't look after somebody as much as you'd like to so you dare to give up your little child knowing you'd want it back.”
2019-03-15 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Esther McVey One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Tough but full of love, what can I tell ya? And lots of laughter as well. So yes, my dad came from Kirkdale. My mum and dad were sort of very young when they had me. They were poor and at the same time my grandma was dying too and I ended up becoming a Bernardo's child and going into care for the first part of my life.”
2019-03-15 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Esther McVey One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“And not just rebalance it a bit, I took it as a massive opportunity to reshape things. So if you look where these ports are, northern sort of industrial areas which have higher deprivation on many measures that you can take it on, therefore it gave a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity to change this. And this isn't something new. This is something that happened in America successfully. It helped with the manufacturing base. So yes, I saw it as an opportunity and I give that an example, the ports. Why? Because it is something that is so entrenched in Liverpool's history and that's what my granddad was, a docker. So that's what I was brought up with.”
2019-03-15 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Esther McVey One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“So, containerization was definitely a massive shift in the changing way of the port and how less people worked in the port. However, if you look at the sort of geographical positioning of Liverpool, which would have been lent itself far better to the Commonwealth rather than to Europe, whereas the south of England leans more towards Europe. So that was the extra dimension that laid on top of it. Therefore, it was this Brexit could provide an opportunity not just for Liverpool port to be thriving again, but also the humber, also Tyne and Tees, because we could do something known as a Freeport. So geographically in the country, but customs-wise outside, which means you could enter and exit without the tariffs being imposed upon it”
2019-03-15 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Esther McVey One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“A lot I mean I grew up in a city that is enchanting, it's amusing, it's witty, it's got art, it's got theatre, it's got musicians, it's got comedians, and it has an incredible past history. So in the 1800s, the customs house in Liverpool at the port there would have returned more money than anywhere else to the treasury. There are parts in the 1800s where Liverpool was richer than London, and that was because of the port, because of the trade, because of the industrialists that were there. And then things changed, and I know things, whether it was containerization and whether it was EU, things changed, the port changed, it shrunk. So this was a once...”
2019-03-15 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Esther McVey One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“To be fair, it is for that reason that I have taken or spent less time in the chamber because saying the same things time and time again is whipping people up into a frenzy. So how can you say them differently? Your words won't be more colourful or graceful. They will end up being more blunt and brutal. And that's what's happening.”
2019-03-15 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Esther McVey One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“It is actually. And that wasn't before. Because everybody was still always friends, and that was irrespective of party, actually, because you could always disagree with maybe how somebody would see a solution, but you'd get on all knowing that you'd come into Parliament for the right reasons. So you would chat in the tea room, you'd chat outside, walking along the corridors. Now that has somewhat crumbled and fallen apart. So you will even see in the tea room different tables with different people, even from the same party, because as you'll know, there are different areas in the tea room for different parties, but within that area, everybody will chat and sit together, not now, you've broken up into different tables on which way you split with Brexit as well. And that's why it does have to come to an end for the country, for individuals, for what's happened between families, streets, communities, business environments, but also for parliament too, and for the sake of democracy. And we have to get that right.”
2019-03-15 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Esther McVey One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Worse than bonkers. But when you're at the epicenter of something, it is certainly magnified. Therefore, every emotion is, everybody's discourse is, it is hugely polarized. And interestingly for me, as I was in between 2010 and 15, and then out between 16, 17 and then back in, I saw the shift and the change of people, their reaction, how it was polarizing Parliament in a profound way as well.”
2019-03-15 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Esther McVey One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“She had a very difficult pack of cards. The lady has to leave in a dignified manner. We have got to thank her for everything she has done. It has been a thankless task and she has worked 24-7.”
2019-03-15 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Esther McVey One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source