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  1. Like, let's build a platform for podcasts. And we worked on it for maybe six months. We raised some money because I had previously sold the company to Google. I was fortunate enough to get some VC funding before we even had a product, which turns out isn't always fortunate. So we had high expectations from kind of get-go. This is in 2005. Apple released podcasts in iTunes that summer in 2005, which completely blew us away. It was totally unexpected. This is very, very early for podcasts, even though the name comes from the iPod. And basically obsoleted what we had been doing for six to nine months overnight. Then we, you know, we were like, oh, maybe we created podcasts. Creation tool, you know, we were trying to pivot and whatnot. And I think I just came to the conclusion at some point the way Bizstone

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  2. Yeah, so ODO was a podcasting company that I co-founded in 2005, which, if you recall, was pre-iPhone, and not to correct Kevin, but Twitter was 2007 when it was here. So this was before Twitter. And podcasting seemed cool. I don't know if you've heard about it, Tim.

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  3. I started a company called Bosey within last year, and Mosey is a app for finding out where your friends are and getting together. We like to say it's actually social app because it's really about getting together with friends by knowing where they are. So I'm in Austin. Who do I know in Austin? I know a bunch of people in Austin. I may have forgotten who I know in Austin, but Mosey tells me who's in Austin, tells me what they're doing, that type of thing. The way I look back on some of the early ideas about social and the internet is, of course, we connected with people. We've all made friends through the internet. We've built meaning relationships or maintain relationships. We're wired to be deeply social, but that wiring was way before screens. And that wiring to be social didn't happen in public. And so Mosey is a very simple idea where we said, well, what would an actual social network look like? And so that's what we're building.

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  4. I started thinking a lot more about relationships, and I personally had underinvested in relationships and overinvested, I think, in just like maybe business. Yeah. So yeah, been thinking about that a lot lately.

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  5. That at the time. So, in all these technologies, I was really focused on information and ideas until fairly recently, this current stage of life, I don't want to say later stage of life,

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  6. Yeah, we were talking earlier today actually about social media and social, how the word socialist changed. Remember when social used to mean like getting together in real life, getting to know people? And now the social is just the catch-all word that kind of just means the internet. That was, I think, an evolution that started in maybe Facebook days. Facebook was actually in the news feed was, I think, a social media new format, really, because it was media from people you knew. We borrowed from some of that for Twitter. We also borrowed from blogs for Twitter. But Twitter, we never saw as necessarily social. I wasn't very focused on social person. I think that's somewhat ironic thing is that I come from a very small town in Nebraska and farm. Didn't know a lot of people. And maybe subconsciously I like the internet because I actually wanted to make friends. But I didn't know.

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  7. Thanks, Tim. Hey, everybody. I don't get asked about BHS enough these days. In fact, I don't even know what it stands for. I think what Tim is referring to as my very first internet product. That's right. Which was a Said, that was about how to use the internet. You watched it on your TV. The year was 1994, folks. It wasn't that odd for the time, but how are you going to learn about computers on the computer when you don't have the internet? So I made a tape in my basement with my college buddies, and that was my very first internet product. It was two hours basically of me explaining how to FTP by terminal. I think I talked about the web for about three minutes. Yeah, there's this new thing called the web. So we're talking Usenet, Gopher, that type of stuff.

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  8. Back then, and people would show up, and it was So it is really cool to have this kind of throwback, this time, this new reboot in many ways. And to kick it off, Who is On the old times We were texting things, not using. Hey guys, good evening.

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  9. But thank you Kevin Rose, tonight Of surprises, a lot of fun. In 2004, when I was first out here, I would pull up my cell phone and I would text a number. For Twitter, and you would say, I'm going to be at this bar This is what I'm eating

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