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  1. If you're ready to sell, you're ready for Shopify. Sign up for your $1 per month trial and start selling today at shopify.com slash Tim one more time, shopify.com slash Tim.

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  2. Not to be a salty old dog, but in the early 2000s, back in the day when I was running my own e commerce business business, the tools were atrocious. They tried hard, but man was it bad. You had to cobble all sorts of stuff together. I could only dream of a platform like Shopify. Shopify is the commerce platform behind millions of businesses around the world, and now 10% of all e-commerce in the US is on Shopify. Now back to the early 2000s, then nobody even thought of AI. Who could have predicted even in the last 24 months the magic that is now possible with AI? Shopify has been ahead of the curve and they are packed with helpful AI tools that will accelerate everything. Write product descriptions, page headlines, even enhance your product photography. Best of all, Shopify expertly handles everything from managing inventory to international shipping to processing returns.

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  4. Off for the weekend, something to think about. If you'd like to try it out, just go to tim.blog slash Friday, type that into your browser, tim.blog slash Friday drop in your email and you'll get the very next one. Thanks for listening.

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  5. Hey guys, this is Tim again. Just one more thing before you take off, and that is Five Bullet Friday. Would you enjoy getting a short email from me every Friday that provides a little fun before the weekend? Between one and a half and two million people subscribe to my free newsletter, my super short newsletter called Five Bull Friday. Easy to sign up, easy to cancel. It is basically a half page that I send out every Friday to share the coolest things I've found or discovered or have started exploring over that week. It's kind of like my diary of cool things. It often includes articles I'm reading, books I'm reading, albums perhaps, gadgets, gizmos, all sorts of tech tricks and so on that get sent to me by my friends, including a lot of podcast guests. And these strange esoteric things end up in my field and then I test them and then I share them with you. So if that sounds fun, again, it's very short, a little tiny bite of goodness before you head.

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  6. And everybody you can find Frank on Instagram at FrankMiller Official. The website is frankmiller inc.com. And you can now, where's the camera? You can now pre-order. So absolutely check out, push the wall, my life writing, drawing, and the art of storytelling. I've been reading it. I'm going to finish it over the next couple of days, have really been taking a lot of notes. I also took a bunch of notes from this conversation and we will have links to everything that we talked about in the show notes as per usual at tim.blog slash podcast. Frank Miller will be the only Frank Miller if you search by name for guest. You will find this episode. And until next time, be just a bit kinder than is necessary to others, but also to yourself and ask. Why? Why? Thanks for tuning in, everybody.

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  7. Yes. Yes, often subconscious too, pathological conformity. Ask the why does it have to be this way, also with your own thinking, it applies everywhere.

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  8. I mean, I still have it. I literally still have it on Long Island. Let me ask you a question. It may go no, this may be a dead end of question, but I'm going to ask you anyway. Is a question I often ask. We start to kind of wind towards landing the plane here. If you had a billboard on which you could put anything non-commercial, right? Metaphorically to get a message or something in front of billions of people could be a statement, a quote, a word, an image combination. What might you put on that billboard? Does anything come to mind? motto, a mantra, anything.

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  9. It's easy for people to forget. I mean, Marvel went through some very hard times. Before the technology caught up sufficiently to end up with Marvel Studios and so on.

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  10. And if humans are story making machines and that we often create meaning almost always from stories, then studying your work within the realm of comics and film, even if someone is not involved explicitly in comics or film, the lessons can still be applied. And I'll be very curious and excited to see how people in industries and areas that may not Can't even be guessed at this point will implement some of the life lessons from the book. I'll be very curious to see it. It'd be very fun. You know, I have to also mention, and I've wanted you to pronounce this name for me, well, I never thought I would meet you, but since I was a little kid, the Electra that you did that I want to say it was a lot of watercolor artwork. Bill, how do you say his last name?

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  11. I've been loving the book, so thank you for sending me an early copy, Selen. And I can't wait until I can actually export all my highlights because there's so many highlights that I've put into it. And what I want to also emphasize for folks, I really believe this is that if you want to be good at anything, study people who are excellent at something. It does not have to be the same thing you are hoping to pursue. If you study Giradreams of Sushi or something like that in an effort to become better at X and aim for the top of your field that seems totally disparate, there's still so many lessons you can take.

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  12. Exactly. And then you might have a page where It's very fast paced. The line works pretty sparse. And then there's one panel that has a lot of detail. And the beauty in this comes also up in understanding comics with McLeod. Is how much work the brain does really effortlessly between the panels.

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  13. Also something that comes to mind, at least for me in the Japanese way of doing things. And there's a lot of variability, of course, among Japanese artists and so on, but it's very interesting how they apply detail, right? You might see a ton of detail in a small portion of a panel and then very little on the rest. You might love that. Right? Or you might see a page.

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  14. Ink. I know it's in some cases. It's a lot of ink. I know it's, but in terms of line work that is sort of. The lattice work of the perceptions. It's just so incredible

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  15. And the black kind of left portion of the torso, which is framed with black lining The right side from our perspective framed with the white. I mean, just the economy, the amount of meaning that is transmitted with such a relatively small amount of

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  16. I won't show it again. I can pull it up on the screen as B-roll, but that right hand page in particular of that female figure.

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  17. So, was it the ability to take that creative leap that seems like been? Building inside you for a very long time. Is that the kind of creative unlock that then led to these various innovations? Is that Way that you would think about it, or was it? Well

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  18. That was Sin City as well It's just so mind-blowing, it seems to me, I guess in retrospect, that that makes so much sense to do it the way that you did it.

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  19. And at what point did you also, it seems like, innovate with a, because I understand a kind of start to finish first to last page, batch processing, where instead of doing the penciling. The lettering, the inking, the coloring on a per page basis, you're basically doing the penciling for The entire book

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  20. Yeah, where you see your mind is creating all the perspective you need to make sense of this as a three-dimensional experience in your brain, but it looks like probably 40, 50, 60 lines of perspective have all been erased. How did you develop this style

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  21. Just amazing, amazing. This seems to access something different. I'm wondering how you developed the economy of... Sort of elegant line use and use of negative space, like this use of black and white, because part of the reason I asked about the perspective is I noticed, which is something you can only really notice in something that's large format and produced this way. All of the perspective lines that have been erased. There's a million perspective lines that have been erased. In this and

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  22. Yeah. So I recall collecting people should check out Jim Lee's penciling to him back in the day I collected when he was working on the X-Men and stuff. I mean, just looking at the anatomical work he did with like Colossus and stuff.

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  23. This type of work, and I remember in the documentary to Invoke Jim Lee's name again, he said something like he was talking about, I don't know if it was SinCity or your work in general or you, but he said, and then I could try A, B, or C, and then I'm sure that Frank would tell me I'm using too many lines. It was something like that. And I thought I gave them.

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  24. Back to you looking at, for instance, and this is one of many, many different pages that I captured just to revisit. But when I look at some of these, I'll show this is the one I showed before. I'll show it again, but. This one here. So you look at this two page spread, and I'll describe it for folks. But these are really stark. Very almost inverse color palettes, but although they're black and white. A dancer and the elegant minimalism and some of the line work in this book makes me think of certain really old school illustrators like Lyondecker. And it's just. There's an archetypal energy to

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  25. How did you develop your abilities with perspective? And, you know, I have to say, and hopefully this doesn't sound strange, but looking at this gigantic.

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  26. How do you learn how to draw? I think this is in the book, but Neil Adams telling you to go out and buy some toy cars so you can learn how to draw cars correctly.

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  27. And they're a student of the craft. They're obsessed. They're dedicated. They have the raw ingredients that maybe Neil saw on you. What advice would you give to them?

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  28. What advice would you give to a dedicated Novice who's looking to get into comics Get into drinking. What's your favorite cocktail? No comics. Yeah.

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  29. Did the Getting off of alcohol in and of itself dissipate the fire or the anger or did the getting sober allow you to better Deal with that in some way

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  30. Let's just say you created a masterpiece. In the next 12 months, that everyone in Hollywood's fighting over. How do you make some of the important decisions about who to work with? Do you call Robin? You're like, hey, what do you think about these people? Do you call Zack Snyder and ask him the same question?

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  31. But man, do you get told what you want to hear? And I'd love to know how you identify having spent some time in the trenches

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  32. How do you know for you who the right people are? There's just so many slick folks in LA, and no offense to anyone in LA.

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  33. Let's come back to your other adventures in Hollywood. What have you learned? Because I ask this selfishly, when I work on my stuff, I'm a control freak, complete control freak. And a lot of my friends are control freaks. And I've just seen a number of different train wrecks when Hollywood and the structures in Hollywood collide with a creative who has a story or something that they view as their baby. I've just seen a lot of messes and I'm wondering what you have learned. Working in entertainment or Hollywood

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  34. Done. Thanks for doing my homework for What artists or art forms have influenced the work that you do outside of comics themselves?

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  35. What appeals to you about the movie, or did you just get swept on it? Is it that these actors are doing what seems diametrically opposed to what people associate them with? Is it something?

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  36. Outside of the films you've been involved with. What are some of your favorite films, whether they are Scripted documentary or otherwise.

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  37. Keep the creative juices flow And he really walks the talk. And also I may be stating the obvious for people, but when I look at, say, SinCity as you created it here, It's so inherently cinematic and directorial in terms of angles, framing. I've always felt that way, even looking at, say, storyboards, I'm like, okay, well, I mean, if not the same, certainly, I mean, but there's a lot that rhymes And so, when I'm looking at these innovations with, say, whether it's back in the day with Jack Kirby or looking at some of the Japanese influences and how they capture motion differently, it makes me think of innovations in film at the same time where you think of like a Kurosawa doing like a Rashamon and inserting multiple perspectives and you're like, okay, I mean

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  38. Is very unorthodox. He doesn't feel like he has to follow a fixed set of rules. And I don't know if he did this on set for Sin City, but he'll often have actors painting. He'll be playing guitar.

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  39. And knowing Robert, having spent a good amount of time with him, we both live in Austin, I can see both of you working together. It's very easy for me to see. And I encourage people to listen to my episodes I've done with Robert, start with the first one about his creative process in bio, but he used to draw comics and he drew comics.

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  40. So, Frank, you were mentioning Robert's generous spirit, and I wanted to underscore something that I only learned after watching the documentary, which is that Rodriguez, as I understand it, quit the director's guild so that you could receive co-director credit. I had no idea. That seems wild.

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  41. Very generous. He just quick, sorry to interrupt, but people might find this funny when I moved to Austin in 2017. The very first person I had over for dinner at my house, and I was very excited about it, was Robert, who I'd known for a while, invited him over. He was on his way. And then I realized, wait a second, I have no plates and I have no silverware. So he brought over two plates from his house plus silverware, which I still have to this day. So that's Robert. That's Robert. He's like, keep the plates in the silverware. I think you're going to need it next time.

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  44. She's behaving for the time being, but got some great footage from Alan who basically said he heard these murmurs about what you were working on and that it was amazing. And he was like, oh shit, basically, better really up my game The reason I wanted to bring this up is that I just find having at least some other player on the field who's really good forces you

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  45. Know why this came to mind for me and to give credit again where credits do. Frank Miller, American Genius, Celan Thomas, sitting about 15 feet away.

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  46. Am I getting the timeline right that you were working on the Dark Knight Returns at the same time that Alan Moore is working on Watchman? Or am I getting that timeline?

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  47. I mean, it's a hell of a All consuming scope, right? It's like you have to keep your hand on the wheel and pay attention.

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  48. You come out of it, and then moving into the Dark Knight Returns, how are you thinking about getting back in the ring and working with this? You mentioned the structure as one aspect of it. Anything else that was important for you to keep in mind personally as you moved into working on that particular project?

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  49. And was that a conclusion? Or direction you chose after analyzing Ronan or some of the reasons. Why didn't Ronan work? What do you think are some of the reasons it didn't work?

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  50. How did you feel after that? I mean, I'm not comparing my books to anything you've done. These are iconic pieces of work that you've produced. But I remember having my first two books succeed, Expectations for the Third, Sky High, initially does really well. And then for whatever reason, just doesn't meet expectations. And I took it so incredibly personal. I had a really hard time with it.

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