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Gabe Pereyra

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“And so seeing him do that gave us the intuition very early on that's the direction this is going. And you can kind of think of associates as agents. They get this task from a partner that's, hey, I have this high-level case strategy. I want to see if I can find a bunch of case law that supports it. Can you go research that, look it up, cite it? Write me a memo. And so a lot of the systems were starting to build look a lot like that. And I think one interesting direction that the coding labs, the research labs are going is building these RL environments where you”
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“Yeah, we're starting to do this now and actually, like when I was at DeepMind, a lot of the RL research I did was that. And so when we first got access to GP84, we had the very strong intuition of, okay, you're going to be able to string a bunch of these model calls or eventually do things like reasoning models where the full agent is differentiable. Even the first day we got access to GPD-4, Winston went in his room for 14 hours and just redid a bunch of his associate tasks. And when I looked at the work he was doing, it was essentially like this hacky ageentic where he said, okay, I would need to go look up this case law, summarize it, take that summary, use it to draft.”
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“Understanding a code base, but the code base is all of these contracts and all this legal work. And I think the reason legal is so difficult is the workflows aren't structured. So the same way with programming, it's really hard until these models to build tools for programmers. You basically just had an ID and then programmers. In all the different languages, but you didn't have like, oh, here's a tool for Python, here's a tool for CLEGAL's kind of the same way. And so I think a lot of why you're seeing traction in programming and legal is I think there's a lot of analogies of these workflows, if they're so tech heavy and the workflows until you have these models, you couldn't structure them in the way I think you can now.”
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“You have a pension fund that has these other requirements. And so it ends up being this incredibly complex process of how do you draft the limited partnership agreement, which can be 100 pages. Every investor that's investing, you can have 100 and they all have side letters that modify that and you need to understand if I modify it this way, it's going to have these implications. And a lot of it is the project management that also goes around coordinating all of these products. If you're raising a billion dollar fund. And then once you've created that fund, there's all the investments you do out of that fund. And so, for example, when we did, you know, any of our series, you need to get a data room. We share a bunch of data. You look at that. You need to understand the contracts we have to make sure that the revenue we say we have is actually structured in the way we've claimed. And are there litigation, all these things. And so it's this massively complex process of understanding. And I think one analogy you can think of like.”
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“And podcast, which is actually important, but there's less legal work there. And the important things you need to do there are fun formation. So how do I structure the entity that is going to hold all that money? It sounds easy, but if you're a large private equity firm, you have a sovereign wealth fund that comes in and they say, we need to structure it in this way because of tax implications.”
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“Yeah, yeah, and I think a lot of people, when they think about legal, they think of consumer legal. And so I have a lease and I need to get input on that. That's completely different than what these massive law firms are doing. And so I think a really good example of what these firms are doing that, I mean, you guys will be familiar with. And I think a lot of people in the startup space will be familiar with is what law firms do for venture capital firms or private equity firms And so VCs, PE firms do two main things you raise money and you invest it. And so the main”
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“Securely share this data with my law firm. And there's a lot of technical problems there around security, data privacy that we want to solve so these law firms and their clients can collaborate effectively.”
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“Yeah, so we started selling to the largest law firms, and something that started happening about a year and a half ago was these law firms started showing Harvey to their clients and their clients both wanted to collaborate more effectively with their law firms. And they also wanted to use this directly in their in-house department. So we recently announced we signed Walmart. We're working with AT&T, a bunch of these Fortune 500 large private equity firms Global 2000, kind of the largest consumers of legal services. And what we're starting to build is a platform for the in-house teams to do the work that they do internally. So things like contracting and this long tail of all of the legal operations you need to do that you typically don't send out to law firms, but also the collaborative tissue of I'm working on a large transaction, a litigation. I need outside expertise.”
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“And then I think as soon as you gave it to lawyers, you also ran into all of the sharp edges of the models of they hallucinate, they're not connected to a bunch of our context. And so I would say the past, the kind of first two years of the company were how do we build essentially the IDE for lawyers around these models that connect it to all of the context you need to be productive as an individual lawyer. But I would say in the past year and going forward, the big problem we're solving is not how do you make individual lawyers more productive. It's how do you make a team of lawyers working on a client matter more productive? And more importantly, how do you make an entire law firm working on thousands of these client matters more productive and more profitable? And so I think when you get to that scale, a lot of the problems you're solving are not just model intelligence problems. They are these orchestration, governance, and kind of all of the enterprise product problems that you run into at scale.”
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“Yeah, I think that's how the product started. So when we first raised from OpenAI, we got access to GPD-4. And I think GPD3 to GPD4 was such a big model jump that the intuition at the time was just give the model to lawyers and have them play with it. And I think that industry was so text heavy that you got so much value from just interacting with the models.”
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“Harvey, we're building AI for law firms and large in-house teams. We're almost at 1,000 customers, 500 employees, started about just over three and a half years ago and so been kind of scaling quickly since then. And you guys were some of our OG seed investors. So yeah, good to be here.”
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