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Garry Tan

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“I'm like, how that AI was trained. And I mean, I don't know. There are all these different, there's like a billion different ways all of these different governments are going to sort of approach this technology.”
2025-04-29 · The Knowledge Project with Shane Parrish · Y Combinator CEO Garry Tan: Turning Ambitious Misfits into Founders · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Fascinating. And then, yeah, the question is, well, how does America approach it? Like, potentially it's much more laissez-faire. And then in that case, my argument would be the most American version of it is that you and I have our own ASI. And each citizen should be issued an ASI and be taught how to get the most out of it. And maybe it needs to be embodied with a robot. We should all be Superman in that sense. And that would be the most empowering version of a society of free and free people created equal, right? And then there might be other versions in Europe. I mean, I'd be curious, what's the European version of it? Maybe that version has, you know, all the check marks and like, oh, is, you know, every decision has to be, you know, was this AI assisted or not? And like, let's check the provenance.”
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“Going to have to have all these discussions about what do we do with this ASI and who gets to the agency, the ultimate agency of that nation come from.”
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“China might end up having one ASI that is totally centrally controlled, and then everything else about it sort of comes out of that. And then you might end up with, I mean, controversially, like, I think often they're trying to be benevolent, right? Like if you spend time in China, it's incredibly clean. I'm sure there's all sorts of crazy stuff that happens that is quite unjust. You know, I have no idea. It's not really even my place to argue one way or another what it's like to be in China. But that's an interesting idea. It's like, you know, that society probably, you know, unless there's other changes there, like that's, you can sort of count on a single artificial superintelligence how everything works over there. I mean, probably internal to the Politburo itself.”
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“Yeah, that's right. And that might be what ends up happening. Even if 90% of the time you're using the autopilot, you always need a human in the loop. And I'd be curious if that turns out to be one of the things that society learns. One of the crazier ideas I've been talking to people about that I feel like would be a fun sci-fi book would be just speculation playing out on sort of how this interacts with nation states. Like, you know, China obviously is run by a central committee and arguably Xi Jinping. Seemingly, if you had ASI, you would only want sort of the central committee to have it. And so that might turn into a very specific form of that, you know, it's”
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“I guess now that we're sitting here thinking about it, it's conceivable, but in sort of all of these cases, I would much rather there be a real human being. Kind of like a plane, right?”
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“And then I think that's why, in general, we really hate politics inside companies because it sort of works against the collective.”
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“Yeah, I mean, what's funny about it is I think in those sort of scenarios, you might just see a crazy speed up because of human effects. I mean, when you look at organizations and how they make decisions, so many of them, you know, they're sort of like a Straussian reading of them. They're sort of like at a surface level, you're like, I want to do X. But like right below that is actually something that is not about X. For a corporation, it has to be like we have a fiduciary duty to our shareholders and we need to maximize profit, for instance. And then right below that, corporations or entities of any set of people like they do all sorts of things not for reason X on the top. It's actually like, oh, actually.”
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“Window and won't be able to do what we wanted to do, so we would trust in AI and LLM consciousness-based consciousness more than a human being. I'd be worried about that.”
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“It might be that point that I just gave you. I think that a lot of people are hoping that the AI becomes self-aware or have agency. And from here, the kind of world we live in will be very different if somehow literally AI entities are given. Maybe the line is actually, will we have an AI CEO? Like will we have a company that just literally gives in to whatever the central entity says, like that's what we're going to do, every problem, you know, it's sort of the exact extreme opposite of founder mode. It's like AI mode. Like, will we live in a world in the future where, you know, corporations decide a human is messy and kind of dumb and doesn't have a trillion token context.”
2025-04-29 · The Knowledge Project with Shane Parrish · Y Combinator CEO Garry Tan: Turning Ambitious Misfits into Founders · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“That's the hope. I mean, we're friends with a great many people who are in the administration. We're very hopeful and we're wishing them, we're hoping that really great things come back. And full transparency, I think I was too naive and didn't understand how anything worked in 2016. That's not what I was saying in 2016. I was fully an NPC in the system. But also, that being said, I'm a San Francisco Democrat, so I really have very, very little special knowledge about how the new administration is going to run, except that I really am rooting for them. I'm hoping that they are able to be successful and to make America truly great. Like I am 100%, even though I didn't vote for Trump, I am 110% down for making America truly awesome.”
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“Yeah. And then I think the reason why it's so broken is actually that government ultimately is very manipulatable by... By money And that's sort of the world we live in.”
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“Yeah, right. I know, right? I mean, that's just a pure example of Apple even today still, you know, they're opening it up a little bit more with RCS, but those are actually in reaction to the work of Jonathan Cantor and the DOJ. So there are efforts out there that are very, very much worth our attention around reining in big tech and reining in the ways in which these sort of subtle product decisions only make money for big tech and they reduce choice and ultimately reduce liberty.”
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“So, I mean, if regulation is coming, like give me open systems and open choice. And that's sort of the path towards liberty and human flourishing. And then the opposite is clearly what's been happening, right? Apple, closing off the iMessage protocol so that it's literally a moat. Like, oh no, like that person has an Android. So they're going to turn our really cool blue chat into a green chat.”
2025-04-29 · The Knowledge Project with Shane Parrish · Y Combinator CEO Garry Tan: Turning Ambitious Misfits into Founders · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“But it's conceivable today with CodeGen, today engineers are basically writing code about 5 or 10x faster than they would before. And that sort of capability is only getting faster and better. It's sort of conceivable that you should be able to just write your own algorithm and maybe you'll be able to run it on your own and you'll want choice. regulation that I would hope for is actually open systems, right? Like I would want to actually write my own version of that. I don't want The best version of that is actually like, I want to see, I maybe want to see my 4U algo like very plainly. And then I want to be able to see if I can convert that into the one that I want, or I can choose from B20 different ones.”
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“Okay, so here's a white pill that I don't know if it's going to happen, but I hope it happens. One of the reasons why it's so opaque today is literally that X has before it was called Twitter and Twitter had thousands of people working at that place. And you needed thousands of people maybe or I guess the tricky thing is like Elon came in and quickly asked like 80 or 90% of the people and it turns out you didn't need 80 or 90% of the people. So that's like another form of founder mode taking hold. But like it or not, I can't go into Twitter today and tool around with my for you like my for you is written for me, right? It's in some server some place and there's a whole infrastructure thing.”
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“Well, my hope is that there's such a flowering of choice that, you know, it's going to be your choice, actually. I mean, the difficulty is like, well, then you have a filter bubble, but that exists today with social media today”
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“That sounds right. I mean, I think it's more profound now than ever before. I mean, the other thing that's really wild to think about is... What comes to mind is that meme on the internet where there's the guy at this dance, it's this dancing and they're in the corner and it's like they don't know. If you go almost anywhere in the world. People maybe have heard of ChatGPT, they definitely haven't heard of Anthropic or Claude. It just hasn't touched their lives yet. And then meanwhile, like the first thing they do is they look at their smartphone and they're using Google and they're addicted to TikTok and things like that.”
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“I think we're going into a very interesting moment right now with the AI car is Sri Ram Krishnan, who used to be a general partner at Andreis Norowitz. And I think that that's a very, very good thing. We want people who have the networks into people who have built things, who have built things themselves as close to that as possible. I think that it is actually a real concern that the space is moving so quickly that if it takes legislation two years to make it through, that might be too slow. And so it's sort of even more important that the people who are close to the president and the people who are in the executive branch, at least in the United States, like they should be able to respond quickly, whether it's through an EO or other means.”
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“That sounds right. I mean, I think the awkward thing about AI regulation is there's something like $4 billion of money sloshing around think tanks and AI safety organizations and someone was telling me recently, like if you looked at on LinkedIn for some of the people in these sort of giant NGO morass of think tanks. Sorry if people are a part of that and getting mad at me right now hearing this. But a lot of people who went from bioterror safety experts to like, you know, one entry right above that in the last even six or nine months, they've become AI bioterror safety experts. And I'm not saying that's a bad thing, but it's just very telling, right? Like anytime you have billions of dollars going into a thing, maybe prematurely, you know, people have to justify. What they're doing day to day. And I get it.”
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“And then I guess math might be one of those things that just isn't, you know, it doesn't require 1.5 trillion parameters. It takes 1.5 billion to do an 84% job of it, which is pretty wild. I mean, that's another weird thing of AI regulation. I think Biden, for instance, his last EO was sort of this export ban. And DeepSeek is a Chinese company releasing these models open source. And I believe that they only have access to last generation video chips. And so, you know, some of it is like, why are we doing these measures that may not actually even matter?”
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“Oh, I don't know. I haven't tried it yet. Some of it is you can be very specific about what parts of the domain you keep.”
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“And that was like Deep Seek R1 just got released this morning. So it hasn't been verified yet, but I think it's super interesting. We are literally day to day, week to week learning more that these intelligent models are going to be on our desktops, in our phones. And we're right at that moment.”
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“Know the rate of improvement in the models as of today, all the smartest things that you might want to do, they're still actually things that you have to go to the cloud for. And then that opens a whole can of worms. But there's some evidence that in the frontier research of the best AI labs, it's pretty clear that there's sort of parent models and child models. And so there's distillation happening from the frontier very largest models with the most data and the most intelligence down into smarter and smarter tiny models. There's a claim this morning that 1.5 billion parameter model, I think, got 84% on the AIME math test. Which is like 1.5 billion parameters is so small that it could fit on anyone's phone.”
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“It's kind of funny because my critique on meta would be very openly, they put in everyone's faces, right? Like you can't use Facebook or Instagram without or even WhatsApp, without seeing like, hey, Meta has AI now. But the funniest thing is, I'm very surprised that they don't think about sort of the basic product part of it. Like I went to Facebook Blue app recently and I was going to Vietnam and I just wanted to say, okay, meta AI, you're so smart. Tell me my friends in Vietnam. It didn't know anything about me. I'm like, this is some basic rag stuff. Like, I get it. Like, you're already spending billions of dollars on training these things. How about spend a little bit of money on the most basic type of, you know, retrieval augmented generation for me and my, you know, like they're just sort of sprinkling it in and it's a little bit of a checkbox.”
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“Yeah, I think that what Zuck and Ahmad and the team over there are doing is, frankly, God's work. I think it's great that they're doing what they're doing. And I hope they continue.”
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“It's like asking, I guess will Windows or Mac win? Or, you know, we're just literally living through that time where very, very smart people are, you know, fighting over the marbles right now. And then to me, though, like working backwards, the best scenario is actually one where we have lots of marble vendors and you get choice and nobody has sort of too much control or cornering of all the resources.”
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“Might still happen, right? I think that there are lots of reasons why it won't happen right now, but who's to say everything is moving so quickly. I think that these questions are the right questions to ask. I just don't have the answers to them.”
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“Before AI. Right. If it became that bad, like, you know, I'm sure there would be some sort of human solution to try to fix this. But just because I read about the Butlerian Jihad in the Dune series doesn't mean that I need to live like that's what's going to happen.”
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“I mean, it's brand new, right? So the risk is always there. It's so funny, though. I mean, I'm not unafraid. On the other hand, this principle of you can just do things still applies to computers, right? Like if the system becomes so onerous, like maybe you would go and let's shut down the power systems, let's shut down the data centers themselves. Like, why wouldn't people try to do that? And they might do that. And, you know, I think that.”
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“Unworried, it would be a mistake to completely dismiss all worries. It would also potentially be worse to prematurely optimize And basically make a bunch of worthless laws that slow down the rate of progress and prevent things like better cancer vaccines or better airfoils or frankly like nuclear fusion or like clean energy or better solar panels or engineering manufacture manufacturing methods that are better than what we have today. I mean, there's so many things that technology could do. Like, why are we going to stand in the way of it until we have a very clear sense that is actually what we need to do?”
2025-04-29 · The Knowledge Project with Shane Parrish · Y Combinator CEO Garry Tan: Turning Ambitious Misfits into Founders · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I mean, that's just like my sort of rhetorical question back when people are really, really worried about bioterror. You know, I think there's a funny example where AI safety think tanks were in Congress and they were sort of going to ChatGPT and typing in sort of a doomsday example and it spits out this kind of like an instruction manual on like, well, you need to do this. You'd have to acquire this. Here's this thing you would do in the lab. And of course those steps are illegal. And then I think a cooler head prevailed in that the rebuttal was someone next went to Google entered the same thing and got exactly the same response. So yes, like I've seen Terminator 2 as well. Am I worried about it? My PDOOM score is 1%. Like I'm not totally.”
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“I love this. I don't know. I think these are all totally open and fair game. And then I guess maybe going back to regulation, that's one of the stranger things that is happening right now. One of the pieces of discourse out there during the AI safety debates like in the last year, for instance, are about bioterror. The wild thing is basically possessing instruments of creating bioweapons is already illegal. So do you really need special laws for a scenario that are already covered by laws that exist?”
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“Well, my intuition would say people are just going to take the outputs of these AI systems. And as far as I know, you can submit a patent and there's not a checkbox yet that says, did you use AI as a part of it?”
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“Yeah, that's a good question. I guess the funniest thing, my main response to all of that around provenance of the data itself is at some point it feels like it actually is fair use though. I mean, that's all the way into case law.”
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“It's a good question. I mean, yeah, it's a bit of a gray area these days. I mean, I'm not all the way in, I don't actually run an AI lab, even though, you know, and I was not actually AI.”
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“I mean, that's inevitable. And then someone listening here might want to do it. And then, in which case, they should apply to YC. And maybe you should do a joint request for startup for this next YC batch.”
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“Going to have these basically super intelligent entities that we talk to. I'm hoping that they don't have that much agency. I'm hoping that actually they are just sort of these inert entities that are your helpers. And if that's true, that's actually a great scenario to be in. That's the future I want to be in. Like I don't want to be, I don't think anyone wants to be sort of to borrow a term from Venkatesh Rao. Like I don't think any of us want to be under the API line of these AIs, right? And I think that really passes through agency.”
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“Google probably could have done what Airbnb did, but it didn't because Google's Google, right? And so in the same way, I think that whether it's open AI or anthropic or Meta's lab or DeepSeek or some other lab that wins, I think that we're going to have a bunch of different labs and they're going to serve a certain role, like pushing forward human knowledge that way. And then my white pill version of the world I want to live in is one where our kids or really any kid with agency can get access to a world-class education, can get all the way to the edge of what humans know about and are able to do or able to sort of affect. And then sort of empowered by these agents, empowered by chat GPT or perplexity or whatever agent, it's going to look like her from the movie, right?”
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“That is like a fundamental good for AI between that and the inroads it might make in education. These are like some real white pill things that I think are going to happen over the next 10 years. And these are the ways that AI becomes not sort of Terminator 2, but instead like the age of intelligence as Sam pointed out in a recent essay. I think that if we can create abundance, if we can increase the amount of knowledge and know-how and science and technology in the world that solves real problems, and I don't think it's going to happen on its own. Like, you know, each of these examples are, there's, you know, frankly, a YC startup, like right there on the edge trying to take these models and then apply them to domains that it's kind of like.”
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“Computer aided design and manufacturing. I mean, there's a YC company called Camfor that is trying to apply. They actually were one of the winners of the recent YC 01 hackathon we hosted with OpenAI. And their winning entry was literally hooking up 01 to airfoil design. So being able to increase the sort of lift ratio just by applying spend more time thinking about this one and it's able to create a better and better airfoil given a certain number of constraints. Obviously these are like relatively early in toy examples, but I think it's a real sort of optimistic point around how do we increase the standard of living and push out sort of the light cone of all human knowledge.”
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“Are about to come out like 03 and 03 Mini, and they're trying to apply them to actually scientific and engineering use cases. So there's a cancer vaccine biotech company called Helix that did YC a great many years ago. But what they figured out is they can actually hook up some of these models to actual wet lab tests. That's something that I'd be keeping track of like over the next couple years. If only by applying dollars to energy that then goes into these models will there be real breakthroughs in biological sciences like being able to do new processes or come to a deeper understanding of whether it's cancer or cancer treatment. Man, or anything in biotech, the first experiments of that sort that's happening in the next year.”
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“That's right. And so I guess the other really big shift is actually test time compute, like literally 01 Pro is this thing that you can pay $200 a month for. And it actually just spends more time at the sort of query level. It might come back five minutes, 10 minutes later. But it will be much more correct than sort of the predict next token version that you might get out of standard ChatGPT. Yeah, from what I can tell, that's where a lot of the wilder things might come out. Level four AGI, as defined by OpenAI, is innovators. So we have lots of startups, both YC and not YC, that are trying to test that out right now. They're trying to apply the latest reasoning models from OpenAI that”
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“Yeah, we're not there yet. So there's some evidence that synthetic data is working. And so some people believe that synthetic data is where the models are sort of self-bootstrapping.”
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“Material increase in people's day-to-day livelihoods and their quality of life. Maybe we're doing something wrong, actually, and left to its own devices. It's possible. So I don't know what the specific things are, but I think that that's what it would look like. If regulation were to come into play or there was some sort of realignment in reaction to the nature of work changing, that would be the outcome that the majority of people, if not all people, like see the benefit in some sort of direct way. And if we don't do that, then there will be unrest. I think that that's one of the criteria. I don't have the answer, but I think that that's sort of one of the things I'd be on the lookout for.”
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“Harger than themselves Yeah, exactly. And then I think that we really need to actually give everyone on the planet some real reason why this stuff is actually good for them. I think if there is only sort of a realignment without”
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“Incredible Yeah, I think the biggest question around it is, of course, I mean, the existential fear is like, where are all the jobs going to go? And then my hope is that it's actually two things. One is I think that robotics will play a big key role here. I think that if we can actually provide robots to people that do real work for people, that will actually change people's sort of standards of living in fairly real ways. So I think universal basic robot is relatively important. I think some of the studies coming back about UBI have not universal basic income where you just give money to people. It's just not really resulting in a different”
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“Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm a small personal investor in them. And I think that we're just scratching the surface on how education will actually change. But that's a great example. Those synthesis is designed around trying to help people help children actively be in these games that increase instead of decrease agency.”
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“To incredibly smart toasters. And some people are actually kind of disappointed in that. And personally, I'm very relieved, and I hope it stays that way because that means that there's still going to be a clear role for humans in the coming decades. And I think it takes the form of two very important things. One is agency. I mean, people often ask, like, what should we be teaching our kids? And the ironic thing is we send them to a school system that is not designed for agency. It is literally designed to take agency away from our children. And maybe that's a bad thing, right? Like we should be trying to find ways to give our children as much agency as possible. That's why I'm actually personally pretty pro-screens and pro-Minecraft and Roblox. Giving children this sort of playground where they can exercise their own agency.”
2025-04-29 · The Knowledge Project with Shane Parrish · Y Combinator CEO Garry Tan: Turning Ambitious Misfits into Founders · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“It's a great question. I guess there are a bunch of different models that I could see happening. I think what's emerging for me is that the two things that I think the first wave of people who are really worried about AI safety, not to be flippant, but like my concern is that they basically watch Terminator 2, you know, and I'm like, I like that movie too, but right now, you know, there's sort of that moment in the movie where they say suddenly the AI becomes self-aware and it becomes, it takes agency, right? And I think the funny thing, at least as of today, these systems are, it's just matrix math. And there is no agency yet. Like there's basically they're equivalent.”
2025-04-29 · The Knowledge Project with Shane Parrish · Y Combinator CEO Garry Tan: Turning Ambitious Misfits into Founders · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source