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  1. Comedians, no politicians. I told you we already went over that. Yes, I know. Let's rewind the tapeal commission. Is this a tape? There's not even a tape. No, it's a tape. Like me saying I'm going to ring you.

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  2. Scott Walker. Don't call right now, Kevin. Scott from Wisconsin. You don't need any legal help right now. This is from a Wisconsin law firm? No, we've stopped I was wondering what happened to Skywalker.

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  3. In a social context, so good luck. I'm going to read my. Why does anyone sit down for an interview with you? I don't know. When you talk like this, it's very fun.

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  4. Collaboration I want you to give me good services. No, it's not about me doing things for you. Oh, I know. You're missing the whole idea of citizenship.

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  5. It's not me. I pay. No, that's not. That's the old model. No, no. It's we do things together. It's a two way conversation. If I give you half collaboration, I know I give you half my money. I want half. I want you to give me good services.

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  6. Things together. No us. It's not me. I pay and give. No, it's like you vote, I decide. That's the old model. No, no. It's we do things together. It's a two-way conversation.

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  7. Radically. Radically. So And a constituent system. I know we don't like customers now. We say citizens, but I want active citizenship, not inert citizenship. I don't want to do things to you, but with you. I pay you. You're my customer.

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  8. Quite radically changed procurement system in the state of California. Radically. So you change the rules of engagement. We'll save tens of billions of dollars. I do not overstate that in the next decade. And we radically change the interface between our citizens and I know we don't like customers now.

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  9. becomes so profoundly important. Someone talked about sympathy The other day, I thought, what the hell are you talking about? I know Steam, right? You know, STEM with the arts component, but empathy is everything at a human level. We've lost a little bit of that. And I think there's going to be a rebound. Something's going to come back. Liberal arts are going to matter even more. So what would in the future

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  10. No, I mean, well, eventually that will certainly be a component. No, I mean, in a few years, there'll not just be advertisers. They'll probably, you know, merge with the point is technology is going to play a big role. Self-paced learning, things that I am inspired through the Montessori approach where my kids are in preschool. Doing makers. I mean, the problem solving, creativity, collaboration, contextualization, all these things that matter at the end of the day. The interesting thing about technology, and I'm very involved at UC trying to California does not allow bore people with A through G requirements. If you take computer science, it doesn't give you a credit as having taken a math course. We want to change that. But interestingly, I was talking to some folks the other day said, why do you want to teach all these computer science courses when AI is going to take over that completely? So back to notion of creativity.

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  11. Look, we have an industrial mindset in our rulemaking, industrial mindset in terms of mass education, mass production mindset. So the education system needs to be reimagined. The idea we're lining people up in rows of desks based on the same data manufacturer, their age, and they're sitting there getting lectured by Sage on the stage is seriously laughable. And the fact that we're having help.

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  12. But then it just doesn't get fixed. No, and the DMV's done some nice overlays with some fancy stuff on top of a plumbing system that's about to collapse.

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  13. But we need platform thinking. You wrote a book about that. A book about it where we Make this stuff up What would you do? You a governor, what would be the first thing you do? Everyone goes, the DMVs are hard, but then it just doesn't get fixed. No, and the DMV.

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  14. And where I said in my book, I began the first chapter was about the fact that we're on the leading cutting edge, technologically speaking, in government of 1973, because that's when most of the big procurement for IT was built out, including DBA. So what you do, do you govern a governor?

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  15. So, do you think Are you kidding? 100%. Why don't we? But we need platform thinking. We need technological thinking. You can't be in the apps business. I mean, that was the genius of jobs. And that's where government needs to think about things. Right now we just think, I mean, Bill O'Brien wrote a book about it where we just, you know, Donald Kettle is an old political theorist and government's just a big veny machine. You put in a dollar taxes, you get limited choices. Police fire, healthcare, education, national offense. You don't like what you get. You shake the machine. But it's that machine mentality of limited choices not customized around you that's created the friction and frustration we have about government. The idea of government as a platform is about a different kind of engagement, a world where we've all been conditioned by Amazon, a world customized around you. You have different expectations when you go to the DMV. And that expectation is not to fill out as literally I did six months ago. Forms in triplicate. They still have forms in triplicate. You can't make this stuff up. So we're on a collision course of the future.

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  16. Watch Door the Explorer and they swipers. I haven't thought about that. Oh my god. Anyway, but the point for no swiping. No, he's a stealing person on Tinder. You take other people's dignity mostly, but it's really, you date. You swipe, I don't, I don't use Tinder.

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  17. This is what happens when you have a four year old. You watch Dora the Explorer and they swipe her, swipe her nose, swipe, swipe. That's right, you're right. I haven't thought about that. I am old. Oh my god.

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  18. Was Tinder came after the game? I am getting old, aren't I? Yeah, you are getting old. I do need to color my hair. Definitely.

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  19. By the way, I am so out of it. I never, obviously, I've got four kids. I don't even know. I honestly don't even understand what you're talking about. I really don't.

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  20. They don't understand it. And it seems like it's not the one reason we don't, because IT Procurement. And government is a debacle beyond words. You want waste and inefficiency billions and billions of dollars. The only time it's one of those things that blows up in the face of every municipal leader, it blows up in the face of state and federal leaders, not least of which healthcare.gov or 46 of the 47 contractors had done business with the federal government for decades and all these new companies that you're writing about, talking about every single day weren't even participatory in terms of their new technologies and approaches.

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  21. It's in our seems like governors kind of ignore technology a little bit, like that they don't understand it. Well, it's the most important sector in the world, and it seems like it's not the one reason we don't.

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  22. Right. No, no. Now In Greece, and it came Californ And dream park. And yet, most of the big tech companies are here and they remain the leaders in the industry. Do you think we lose that? Is that a special California thing and something that the governor should? Innovation runs through our

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  23. No. Billions. Okay. It's in the billions. It's an extraordinary thing. Right. No, no. Now, don't get me wrong. It's come with a tax increase and it came with some very serious cuts, including cuts to higher education, which were difficult. That said, what's our grand strategy? And how can we go on a journey together in the state and how can we address the issue of reimagining a 21st century education system that can address the issues of technology that's, again, growing at a pace and rate we never could have imagined? I'm fearful of the future of work. I'm fearful about the loss in the middle class. The biggest issue of our time is the issue of social mobility or lack thereof. The California dream predicated on that, American dream predicated. And yet, most of the big...

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  24. Not to act is to act. And there's so many issues where we sit back and we put our finger in the wind or we wait for someone else or wait for a safe time. That's not my politics. So I'm happy to take risks. And I guess that's the point of this campaign is I'm going to be, you ask the question, what kind of candidate? I'm going to be authentic. I'm going to be myself. I'm going to take risks. And one thing that this state needs is a grand strategy. We've had a plan for solvency, a plan for triage, and Governor Brown's the right person at the right time, $27 billion budget deficit five years ago. And now we're debating the third year of surpluses, which is like $100.

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  25. Well, the reason I mentioned. You mean governor, this is these are not the issues I'm running, quote unquote, for governor. But I'm giving you a sense of, to your point, leadership. At the end of the day, you know,

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  26. Something he cares about, something I know he's cared about for a long time. Right, it's a big issue. I chaired a task force for two years. Deal with As he A lot of people don't take what other issues, especially around tech. You mean governor, this is the standard. No, these are not the.

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  27. No, we have to do that. But let's get back. So you show and call to you? No, no, we just something he cares about, something I know that he's cared about for a long time. Right, it's a big issue. I chaired a task force for two years, came up with 45 specific recommendations. Sean appreciated sort of the reflective approach to it. We talked to him about whether or not he would support translating some of those recommendations into an initiative. There were a dozen other initiatives out there that frankly did not have, I thought, reasonable guideposts to deal with protecting our kids and public safety. Sean believed in those things. And to his credit, he stepped into this. But at the same time, he didn't expect to be so involved as he is. And I give him a lot of credit and takes courage for him too because there's a lot of people. What else? What other

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  28. Were amazing and they stepped up. And by the way, if you look back in the history of the shift in public opinion, business community can get the credit it deserves because there were a lot of folks like those folks that stepped up and said, you know what, for our company, and these are our values, that took a lot of courage, particularly public companies at the time. Yeah, definitely.

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  29. So you just decided let's do this when I was first became mayor. We actually got to know each other and he was great on issues of marriage equality. It's like, so I got to Larry and Sergei And all those guys on Twitter back in the day. Yeah, the internet people like the gay

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  30. I've known Sean strangely over many, many years. So you just decided, let's do this. When I was first became mayor, we actually got to know each other. This is what we want issues of marriage equality. It's like, so I got to know Larry and Sergei. They stepped right into that debate and Biz and Ev and all those guys and Twitter back in the day.

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  31. What do you do with Sean? How did you get involved with him? I know both of us had conversations, presumably. No, just the opposite. I can't stand it. I can't stand the smell. And I think it's stupid. I mean, everything about it, I don't like that said. I just don't like the war on drugs. I don't like the war on poor people. How did you get hooked up with

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  32. And support it. Yes, indeed. It's a popular position to have with some constituents. Here we go. Go ahead. I'm glad I agreed to get it. I steered your communication.

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  33. So it's a game changer in California will have an impact well beyond the borders of California and in Mexico as well, cartels. Drug dealers do not card. Drug dealers could care less about what they're selling. We're not introducing something that doesn't already exist. I'm not condoning the drug or celebrating the drug, but the reality is it exists. Let's get our arms around it. Let's regulate it. So you're getting like liquor. Exactly right. And so we're going to work towards that. But I make the point to make this point. That's not a very popular position to have publicly.

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  34. Best keep it on the hand of the kids So Colorado. In a direction, Colorado was sweet. No. No We like our pot Well, and we're in exports. We're exports. I mean, the vast majority of that's exported. So let's legalize

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  35. Four adults tax and regulate and do our best to keep it out of the hand of the kids to make sure we do everything we can to keep tobacco from becoming big marijuana. But we are going to move in a direction. No. No. Colorado is last year Colorado sold at retail, medical and retail marijuana less than a billion dollars. Put in perspective. I was up in Trinity County near Humboldt, Mendocino County. We estimate 8 to $12 billion a year in cannabis at wholesale. Gives you the scope and scale of California. We like our pot. Well, and we're an exports. We're exports. I mean, the vast majority of that's exported.

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  36. But the good news is we'll edit the podcast so no one will ever. No, we will not. That I said that so in my best moments I feel wonderful because the world's changed. No, not because I was right, because world's a better damn place, but it's a value proposition for me. Everything I do is with that. And that's a foundational principle. So I'll give you an example. I'm deeply involved in war on drugs, but not rhetorically, not just sitting there giving a speech about it. I mean, I've been out three years now, talking about looking at a different approach to marijuana and legalization in the state of California. It has a tech connection working with Sean Parker on this ballot initiative come November. It's not something that. Well, we want to tax and regulate. I like it.

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  37. Exactly. And how do you feel now? I mean, I mean, honestly, my private moments sometimes is slightly resentful of it candidly. Right.

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  38. Where the public was, I thought I was right. I was talking to someone who's running for president right now, and I said that when they were talking about gay marriage, and they said the country isn't ready for it. And I said it's called leadership. And you got hurt by that. You got back.

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  39. Sometimes, you know, yeah, but even if I was wrong where the public was, I thought I was right. I was talking to someone.

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  40. No, no, but just be yourself, be authentic. So the thing with me, love or hate me, you know where I stand. So I'm out front on issues that people don't want to touch. And, you know, some in the past that I was involved in.

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  41. Hair, you comment. I don't know about it. No, I haven't colored, I'm thinking about it. That stuff for men's or CVS. Whoever your advertising is.

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  42. There was a lot of hype and I think overstatement about social media in President Obama's first campaign. It was important, but it wasn't as important as I think it was what people led on this race, Bernie's, is, I mean, it's changed everything now. The question is, can you do it at a state level? Not so convinced, very, very different dynamic. Quite like Bernie.

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  43. Crowds, look at Bernie Center, crowdsourced his entire campaign for president. True. 6.3 million day after New Hampshire, reimagining the space

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  44. I thought that was interesting at the time. Now, exactly. I get it. Don't say that again. No, I know. But I like to. But when you announce, we have.

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  45. You're on Twitter, right? Just tweet, like, huh? It was a big deal. The picture of you signing the form. I know it was. We do definers. It's like now it's not. No one wants to show up. Then I did a, you know, I did my inaugural in Second Life. I did a virtual inaugural. Oh, you did.

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  46. By the way, you ever received one of those mattresses? I have. I haven't. They're in a box. I know. They're in a box. You open it and then it goes platooned. I know. It's fantastic. No, this is a serious, I mean, you've got a good partner there. I know that. Thank you. Thank you, Kevin, for selling mattresses for me. I'm going to buy it.

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  47. Well, not Scurty in the Worlds. I mean, they're in a new space, right? They're reimagining a space, so they're at another place, and then all of a sudden we're catching up and trying to reel it. And I get why the incumbents are frustrated. I mean, because they've been saddled with all these lousy rules. By the way, it's always ironic the incumbents are the ones complaining about those rules, but then want the rules to apply to their competition because quote-unquote, it's unfair. Perhaps we should reimagine the rules for everybody and be a little bit more flexible in a rulemaking. That's the conversation.

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  48. I think there has to be. I would argue that eventually there'll be a different classification of employees. Because right now you have full-time employees and you have independent contractors. The challenge is with all these participation platforms out there and the share economy is we don't have portable benefits. We don't have the retirement security that people are desperate for. But an on-demand economy, it requires on-demand.

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  49. But the point is, it's something profound happening. We all know it, and it's happening much faster than any of us, I think, fully understand. We're not having to debate about it outside of the situational debate about the immediacy of the stress, but there's some long-term legitimate concerns about the future of work, the future of work rules, future of labor's role in that respect, future of the middle class, and that needs to be reconciled. And for me, that is code red issue that needs to be addressed in a much more systemic way than it is today, because it's not just about San Francisco.

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  50. Be about the regulatory. We're in a hinge moment. We're going through Whitewater's change. Regulations can't keep up. Education can't keep up with technology. The tech genie's out of the bottle. It's legitimate. That was a lot of things.

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