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“The superchargers and the supercharger enables you to top up the car. About 80% in 30 minutes, which is all you need because if you're going from city to city, you just need to make it to the next supercharger with a bit of a buffer if the car needs to be cooled or heated. And that's all you care about. And it does this flawlessly. I went the entire trip. I did not have one issue. California is a little bit of traffic, though. Sometimes you can see these stations full of Teslas. People there.”
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“For the first generation of us Tesla buyers it's free life of the car. So Tesla Corporation has baked that into the price of the car and they effectively built this network of superchargers which is a reasonable distance connecting all the major cities in America today. And it works with these. White box that's about five feet tall, about a foot wide, and it's made in a central factory. They ship them out to electrical contractors around the nation. They procure real estate at shopping centers or restaurants or what have you between all these cities. And they implement the charging system. They wire them up and they're doing them at a very quick rate. There's some many thousands of them already.”
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“It works even in the city. What it doesn't do right now is leave a parking space, navigate red lights and turn, you know, all that kind of stuff and arrive to another parking space. That's what is going to be the full autonomous driving. That's the next wave, which doesn't keep me up at night. I'm not even really too concerned about that. It's something that's for, you know, speaking from an investor, I mean, is it five, seven, ten years down the road? Maybe it's not going to impact my portfolio decisions today.”
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“Everything, including stop and go traffic. If you end up in a jam, it'll stop, it'll just keep inching along with traffic and it'll ramp up the speed. And you get there, you're way less fatigued. But more importantly, it's way safer. The ability, you know, God forbid that you end up preventing someone, which happens in the world. Those are the most common accidents, that should pretty much go away if you've engaged this autopilot feature. It's a lot safer.”
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“You've got this update and it tells you exactly what you got. And also with respect to the car I have, which is auto has autopilot. So it's one of these ones that when you get on the freeway and you're doing a long trip, let's say you're driving from, we're going from here to Washington, D.C. Once we're on the freeway, I put it into autopilot. I tell it how many cars of safety I would like, and it just drives. You're hands-free. Pedal free, so you have a lot less fatigue when you're alive.”
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“Those that are not familiar with how Tesla services or cars, if it's not a mechanical problem, what they do, you have full-time internet on the car while you're sleeping, you get a download of the new software.”
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“The other side, who's going to be making this stuff that's more technologically advanced? You know, people have to look at that. If you're an investor, whether an endowment, a foundation, whoever, get your analyst to really dig deep on this stuff, because it's, I think this is going through a tectonic shift. And then, of course, we get to the how do you electrify or fuel these things? Because that also is going to have a dramatic impact with efficiencies.”
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“While self-driving is something that I just don't, right now I'm not losing any sleep over that. It's not going to impact me as an investor. What is more important, I think, for the general investor out there is to understand a lot of the incumbents are going to make a product that I liken it to forgive me, Canada, a blackberry. They redesign it, but no one buys it. No one's going to buy this plug-in hybrid because the offering they have by the more progressive companies is far more cool factor, far more futuristic factor being all electric. And so when you look at the, if we open the book a little bit deeper, who's this going to impact Barry? Winners and losers in this industry, well, who owns the most real estate with respect to the car manufacturers? Which parts, who makes only mufflers or only radiators?”
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“A lot of counties, town, city, states are going to say, you know what, you did it, you still have to have a driver in the car. You know, we just prefer that, who knows, either for jobs or for safety. You're still going to have to drive a driver there. Buses and different things, I think, are maybe a little bit different.”
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“Uber the future, self-driving cars. I mean, that's something that we'll tackle five, ten, fifteen years down the road. You”
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“Cars that are owned by a big corporation, they might have 2,000, 3,000 all over the city and you just rent it per the minute. That is going to be increasingly, I think, more electric as we arrive.”
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“Who are the new people in town? The technologically advanced companies that are going to be coming out with their own electric cars. It's pretty hard for Know other companies to sort of disrupt any more technology. So I believe the automotive industry is getting disrupted. They're not going to make a hybrid car. They're going to make a believe this, the most technologically advanced vehicle, which will be electric. When you get into whole ride share, I think those cars have to be electric for purposes of servicing. When you say ride share.”
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“Couldn't agree more, which is why, in my opinion, the whole plugin hybrid thing, all this engineering towards it and all this buildout is going to blow up in all their faces.”
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“But the business is going to shock people because what I've seen happen, remember, the incumbents have this franchisee system, the parts that feed into this car, which is, of course, then serviced for 10 or 15 years afterwards. The average internal combustion engine car has 80 parts. The average electric car has twenty. So what have we seen happen? What keeps eking its ugly head up? The plug in hybrid barry. You get a bit of range, range anxiety, people think they oh, just to comfort you? Now you have a hundred major components in the car, so four, five, six, seven years later, do I want to be servicing a plug-in hybrid? No, thank you. But hold on, it gets deeper than that.”
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“Meaning real quick. They don't have 10 years. Because here's how I see this playing out. Now, I follow this for a long time. And I know some of the companies a little bit more intimately because I know some of the larger shareholders and such. And we've seen now the front page story, of course, is Volkswagen. They've had the so-called settlement with the EPA $14.7 billion, comes in multiple... Tears, not the least of which is a $2 billion investment in this infrastructure that can be used by other people.”
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“It's the baby that's going to eat you. They need to start, like other technology companies have done. They don't want to become blockbuster video or Kodak film. We know that. We know”
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“I mean, shame on you, I say to all the incumbents, how could you be so lazy? And now it's going to affect their businesses.”
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“There's no infrastructure. It'll take forever to do the infrastructure. This, what was a little company, was able to build an infrastructure network in less than three years.”
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“What they've done to rattle this industry, let's pretend we're the incumbent automotive manufacturers for a moment. And if you go back a few years, they used, you know, say, well, no one's going to want to buy these things. And then there's no.”
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“It's a pretty good single car to have. I mean, it covers all the bases. You're not going to go hunting to Wyoming with it, but other than that, it pretty much covers everything”
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“But if you were to have, and I asked this question so I'm off to Europe tomorrow and I'm going to be with my friend who lives in Monaco. He has about 15 cars. Don't own a Tes Then you asked a tough question. I said, Yeah, but hold on a second. If you could only have one car, it had to take your kids to school, had to be fast, had to be comfortable, had to.”
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“I've owned a lot of cars in my time, and I've had multiple Porsches, I had a Ferrari three hundred sixty, a BMW M three, and I recently just sold my Audi A8L. And it is the best car I've ever owned. It's rolling to technology.”
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“My book is at all the USA airports, and people can find it on Amazon pretty easily. And I Twitter once in a while. I think I go through periods of being more or less busy, but my Twitter handle is at realistic enviro. And then people can also source that to my personal website. Realistic environmentalist.com”
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“Send it off to the grid. You also have to arrest the lightning. It's very deluxe, very expensive, you know, from a copper perspective, electricity to build. But once it's done, you've got energy now for 10, 20, 30 years. Now, we will address other things like curtailment, which means getting the power out to people that are using it and what have you. But this is early, early days, and it's only going to get more and more as a percentage of power generation.”
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“Has almost 2,000 pounds of copper, the step up transformer. You need to collect all that power to one central location. And then send it off.”
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“Air conditioning across the elevators across the board, motors use the bulk of electricity. So you make them more modern, more efficient by using a copper rotor. Transformers, you don't use aluminum windings, you use copper windings. There is across society where if we increase the amplitude of copper, you reduce electricity consumption, which means you need to generate less electricity. It's true that aluminum is a substitute in many cases, and it will continue to be part of the solution. Copper will not be the be-all end-all, but we will, for efficiency, use more copper. We talk about a wind park. Now, if you're going to build a 200 megawatt power plant, which is a small coal-fired plant, or if you say, you know what, let's do a 200 megawatt wind farm. My friend Ross Beatty just installed a 200 megawatt project in Shannon, Texas. You need 65, you know, three and a half megawatt wind turbines. Each head, it's a generator is what it is.”
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“Good question, and we always got to be careful. I mean, I read this stuff like Harlequin Romance Barry. So, you know, other people don't. So let me try to make this more interesting for people that know nothing about this stuff. Experts will tell you that if we adopt high efficiency energy systems, we can reduce CO2 emissions by 1.25 gigatons. So if I translate that, that's like taking 500 million cars off the road. So what is a high efficiency energy system? Well, you make motors more efficient. 46-47% of America's electricity is consumed by motors from the smallest to the biggest.”
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“And there's been no fracking moment for the copper industry, the way we extract copper. No one's building copper mines. So we have to choose putting on our algebra hat again. If we're going to take away fossil fuels, we have to recognize and appreciate the science in this equation. It takes copper to make green energy possible, not by 50%, four hundred, five hundred, six hundred percent power of magnitude. So I think that when you look at the winners and losers, people want to follow and understand the copper industry, not for the next three months or six months, because traditionally copper has been tethered to the price of oil. But when we go forward the next two, five, seven, ten years, things are going to change tectonic shift.”
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“Innovation adoption technology are not the friends of the oil industry. You innovate, use less oil, you adopt, use no oil, technology, the way we extract oil, is a game changer. But when you look at the fourth commodity, the energy commodity, copper, there is conclusively going to be 30% new customer base. When you create and utilize greener and cleaner energy, Berry, it takes 500% more copper. In the case of offshore wind, a thousand percent more copper.”
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“There are four major energy commodities. You've got coal, natural gas, and oil. The fourth one is copper. It's always been relevant. The future, and I'm going to suggest something very strong. I don't believe in my opinion that we are ever going to have another twenty-five or thirty percent increase in demand for oil. We are now at a point we have to start talking about terminal decline. Coal's already finished. I think coal's already on it. It's a twilight industry.”
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“What we want to invest in those things, we want to invest in engineering, we want to invest in the techniques, the design, the building blocks, and across the board.”
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“So when you look at this and you see how the changes, I mean, where's the big investment happened in the past 24 months? Not in fossil fuel electricity generation. It's all been on the, the lion's share is now going into these renewables across the board. And because there's this army of people working on this, the prize is so big. Then we get into the energy storage and on and on. We're going through probably a once-in-a-multi-generational tectonic shift on how we create energy, which is going to impact how we transfer energy because there's only three ways to do that. Pipelines, railroads and ships, and electricity cables or microgrid. Well, the future of energy transfer is going to be with electricity, not with the incumbents. And then the way we utilize it, we're not going to be using fossil fuels to utilize energy. And you look at that. I always tell people oil is energy. Energy without fossil fuels is electricity. And electricity demands.”
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“They used fossil fuels to do that. It takes a lot of pressure or a lot of heat. Well, guess what? My friends in Germany are working on processes now where you do it with solar power. Has arrived. It is commercially viable. It is now a line item, including wind. Wind has had in the past 15 years four doublings.”
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“Because it's technology and it doubles, microchip, for example, doubled every eighteen months for decades, the learning curve on solar has had seven doublings in fifteen years. We are now at a point where it is commercially viable. Solar works at night. We capture thermal heat with fluid, so that means when the sun goes down it works at night. We are now able, and you're going to see this, this is going to, we're going through a tectonic shift, by the way, in energy, and it'll take a while to articulate that. We don't have the time right now, but the way we desolate water typically in the Middle East and places around the equator.”
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“Absolutely. So, what does that mean? That means they watch television every day. They have air conditioning. They drive a car. They have almost the same economic footprint you and I have. They have a deluxe diet. And so that's coming with ramifications. Now within that is tremendous opportunity and it always comes back to probably one primary thing, energy, the insatiable appetite for that energy. So we need to understand as investors, particularly because of this propensity to have climate change, how we create transfer and utilize what I call energy.”
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“When my parents came from Croatia in 1973, you know, that was a very special time. You had rampant salary escalation. I remember seeing these pay slips of my dad 1980, 81. He was working in North of Canada. He was making $1,000 a week back then, Barry. You could buy two Cadillac cars every year. You could buy a house for cash money. You cannot do that anymore. People in emerging markets have had rampant salary escalation. Okay, again, I can concede they're not wealthy, but someone in China 30 years ago, 25 years ago, might have made $2,000 or $3,000 a year. Well, the average is now in the eastern provinces. I speak of Shanghai, Tianjin, Beijing. They're making $18,000, $20,000 a year on average today.”
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“We often forget what it's like to have salary escalation. I come from Vancouver, Canada, and I think it's pretty much the same around North America. You have not had more spending power in probably 30 years. Yeah, your salary might have went up a little bit, but you factor in inflation, of course. You're not making a lot of money.”
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“Become page one. And of course, with the subtitle, Investing in the Rise of the New Spending Class, they go and explore this army of new consumers, people that are not rich, they're no longer emerging, they're not poor, and all the implications of how they're changing the world and the opportunity that they represent.”
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“Takes place in Seattle, so this world capital of sort of technology and computers are one of them. And there's a 58-year-old doctor, a baby boomer. So I wanted to have that demographic represented. Any millennial Gen X, if you will, electrician. And he's helping his doctor renovate on a Saturday. And he just asks the doctor, how do you baby boomers think? How do you invest? What are you following? He leaves. The doctor goes outside and his neighbor says, who's that? My electrician. The neighbor says, your electrician drives a Porsche? The doctor goes out of his mind. How is this possible? How is this possible? How can this young working class fellow spend so much money on a lavish gift like that? Comes back next Saturday and he says, well, I stopped working as an electrician about 10 years ago, but because of all the building blocks I learned and the trends I followed, I am now an investor full-time. I take it seriously. And he reads these things like a financial soap opera daily, weekly. He goes to conferences. He meets with people. He wants to be a contrarian investor. So he is searching for page 16 stories, which will”
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“If you want to use gasoline, if you want to keep searching for fossil fuels, move it, refine it, move it again, transport it, sell it, repeat every week. Okay, but that's, I don't believe that's where progress spell is. We are going to go in the long course of time because it's the future. It's just the smart way to do it. And we actually stop focusing on the cars that you drive 30 minutes a day. The cars we need to electrify are the taxis, the FedEx vehicles, the urban buses. We can make them electric and we know that because the world's largest automobile market has accelerated those programs to electrify urban transport. Those are the cars we have to get up.”
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“Of being a realistic environmentalist, just tell me what you like. What's the policy? What's the will of the people? What's government want? Where are the investors? Where's the propensity to make this stuff possible? Because nothing comes for free.”
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“Something like that, but it goes deeper than this because nothing comes for freeberry. Nothing comes for free. People have to make a choice. And that's why I put my hat.”
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“The real math, and if you look at the Society of Concerned Scientists, they basically say that the breakthrough or the break even is about 19,000 miles. So it is true to create a full electric car, there is a little bit extra CO2 emissions to create the car. According to their math, at the 19,000 mile point, it's break-even.”
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“Yeah, that's an important question. And I liken that to we don't live in Staticville. Society lives in a place called Progressville. In 2007, 2008, around 45% of America's primary electricity was generated by coal. Just in the past year, natural gas has surpassed coal as the primary fuel source. So coal is now around 30%, 31% in falling. By 2020, it'll be 21, 22% of America's primary electricity. So already it is the minority fuel source, natural gas and the others, nuclear, renewables, what have you, are around 70% of America's fuel source and falling. So eventually this will continue to fall. And remember, we're not going to go away from coal because of policy. Assets that are deemed uneconomic are assets that are stranded. We have so much natural gas.”
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“That is a very large arena on the products, materials, building blocks that factually make a reduction in CO2 emissions possible.”
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“So, if we're looking at the challenges that are surrounding energy around the world, where if people want to make changes with the way we create, transfer, and utilize energy, that's fine. You want to make policy, that's also fine. You want to create that investment vehicles? That's great. But you have to look at the other side of the equation because when you take fossil fuels out of that equation, there has to be something on the other side. You can't just wave your hand around and say, let's not use oil anymore. No more coal. If you understand that, a realistic environmentalist is someone who looks at all the variables and he's in the middle. He's neutral. He's a solutionist or she is a solutionist. So I want to understand support invest in all the elements that factually make that possible. We could call a reduction in CO2 emissions, greenhouse gas emissions, whatever it is.”
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“For sure the GPS, and then you have the destination chargers which are going to be installed by the millions, by people that own businesses. So they're going to pay Elon Musk cash money for this destination charger, which an electrician can install in three or four or five hours, which means you can connect any lifestyle point. Lifestyle point A to lifestyle point B in any city, which means they've solved the puzzle.”
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“It's comprehensive already, which is actually quite shocking. The fact that they only started a few years ago, you tell the computer what two cities you want to connect, and it says exactly where you need to charge and how long. So it's kind of a coup what Tesla's done already. And so that's the city interconnection, the superchargers.”
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“It was twenty five official cities, but I stopped in probably a hundred when you count in the lesser towns. And I stopped in a lot of universities, wanted to talk to students and just park the car and it's a talking point.”
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“Was It was kind of a lucky coincidence. So I got my factory tour on the day of the conference. I parked my car right there. And it was really a day of modern energy where a lot of these people, a lot of these thought leaders were together. And I got my tour of the Tesla factory on that day. And it was incredible. Really impressive. There's a tectonic shift going on. And until you've really understood this from all angles, how we create service, buy, sell cars in general, make the parts feed into it.”
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