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Gisele Pelicot

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  1. “Rory, have a lovely boating day. I know that even though you're not going to the Burnley game, that you'll be checking in and probably watching Sky Sports to see how it's going.”

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  2. “So that's what I mean about you've got to be focused on where those quotes power people are. And look, a lot of campaigns don't necessarily require government intervention. There's an interesting campaign going up just the road where people don't want a new bus stop in a particular place. And, you know, it's really interesting to walk up and down and every time I go by there, I see there's a new poster. It's a very, very localized campaign. So that's a different sort of campaign. The main thing is I think you've got to really care, but you've got to be absolutely on the detail. You've got to know your stuff.”

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  3. “Trivialize you, how are they going to? Totally. I'll give you an example. I mean, you know, my best new place, Lake Anna, I think Fagele Sharky, who's another one we talked to on leading, I think he has shown about some of those principles that I talked about. And he did, he reached a point. Yeah, it started as a media thing and a social media thing and documentaries and data and all that stuff. But eventually what he did was he raised his voice so much and so effectively that government kind of felt they had to engage with him.”

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  4. “It was the male, what went it? Can I say to all newspaper readers whenever you see a news story where the first paragraph ends, dot, dot, dot, thanks to the sun, thanks to the Daily Express. What it probably means is that they once wrote an editorial saying might it be an idea to do something”

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  5. “But maybe we should revisit him at some point to find out whether there was a campaign that led him into that place. So I think the other thing is you've got to work out who are the opinion formers and the policy drivers that will get your campaign to the place that you want it to be. So a lot of that will be about media. A lot of that will be how do you take your case to the media. So social media makes it easier because you have a platform, but you've still got to have really good content. You've got to have big arguments. Where I think social media makes it harder is there's so much stuff out there. So it's harder to get noticed in the campaign space. But I think being clear about what you're trying to do, clear how you're doing it, and absolutely infinitely varied in how you take that forward tactically. I think those are the principles.”

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  6. “How do I think about it structurally? I mean, it would slightly depend on the issue, but I think some of the principles, one of them you talked about yesterday, which is the thing about you just got to keep going. So you mentioned mental health. I sort of worry that we're slightly going backwards at the moment on mental health. Not as bad as climate change, but I think it's kind of slipping down the agenda a bit. I'd like to see it further up. Look, you have to have passion. You have to believe in what you're trying to do. You have to be absolutely focused on the facts of the case that you're building. This is the bit that's made more difficult when you say, well, Trump won and all that. But I still think in campaigning, you've got to have killer facts. You've got to have killer arguments that are so compelling that people will come to them, they'll share a view. When we talked yesterday about my foreign politician of the year, Peter Maranowski, so he's a very interesting example of a politician campaign, a bit like M. Leadbeater. He has gotten into that position.”

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  7. “About moments when you feel your whole world collapsing. Well, that just must have been extraordinary. And for her then to have emerged with the dignity that she has and the sense of I am determined that my truth is going to be told. And as a result, dozens of men in this, I guess the other reason why it maybe speaks to me so much, I cycle a lot around the area where this all happened. This place called Mazon. I know the place really quite well. When I went there last time I was in France on the bike and you go through and you think, you can't believe that this is a place where this happened and that so many men were involved. So she is absolutely my campaigner of the year.”

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  8. “Commitment, and I just think she's been just to watch the way she's conducted herself. I mean, just imagine, I listened to this amazing Der Spiegel, Achmiriaden, my favorite German podcast. They did a really long series on it, which I still haven't finished, because I followed it reasonably closely, but I haven't read that much. But they were doing things like through voices of actors reading the interviews with the police. So just imaginary you're a woman. you think you've had this really happy marriage with this guy that you think you're going to spend the rest of your life with and you're taken into a police station and the police say start to ask you these really personal questions about your husband about your private life and so forth and then show you these pictures and film of you the woman being raped by a whole succession of men it is you know people talk”

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  9. “Staying in France and I'm staying with my person of the year Giselle Pericot. I think it's an incredible story. You know, you were talking yesterday, in fact, on recent podcasts about where things that you just don't expect. And, you know, let's be frank, the way that the debate on rape and sexual assault has kind of developed. We've talked about this in relation to men's attitudes to women and so forth. But if you think of it in a campaigning context, even if she didn't think of this, this is why I'm saying she's a campaigner. What was her goal? Well, her stated goal was to transfer the sense of shame that men put upon women by raping the woman onto the man. And, you know, hashtag not all men, as Grace always says when she's talking about these issues. But I think to do that required a depth of courage and”

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  10. “I should inform our listeners that my podcast co-presenter appears to me to live off sushi and pret bars Because you've slightly gone over to Costa, haven't you? Yeah, yeah.”

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  11. “But I think a little bit like, do you remember when people often say that the kind of rebirth of Manchester was in part driven by their reaction to the IRA bomb attack? I do think that something, back to the thing about your sermon about getting good out of bad, and it's what they've done is incredible. And I really do recommend people try and find the documentary that Franz Der did. In fact, the BBC should get it and find it and put it on because it's just an amazing long documentary about how did they do it It's beautifully filmed with amazing interviews with extraordinary people. So, yeah, I think Notre Dame is my winner.”

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  12. “The day itself was absolutely beautiful. And funny, this morning, I had a message from a friend who's in Paris who sent me this picture. He said, where am I? And it was just a picture of a stained glass window. And I said, well, Notre Dame. And she said it was just absolutely mind-blowing. Because the truth is recent visitors to Notre Dame before the fire, it was amazing. But as you know, I was in St. Paul's recently and I've not been to St. Paul's that much in my life. But I would say”

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  13. “And using, you know, interesting when we talked to Bill Clinton on leading and he said that the whole thing about philanthropy, it's about how you get private money to work with public money, to work with this, that the other. It was funded by some massive donations by big French businesses, but also by pretty old-fashioned crowdfunding.”

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  14. “There are two, they're both French. One is the Olympics, which I went to, which were fantastic. But I think I'm going to narrowly give it to Notre Dame renovation. Is that a cultural event? I think it's quite cultural. Yeah, yeah.”

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  15. “As you know, I was in Norway recently, and you know, you think the economy is really doing pretty well, and everything's clean and the hotels are nice and the restaurants are nice, and people look so healthy, and yet you listen to them. And the Jonas, the Prime Minister, has just had a poll where they're way, way out of it. Yeah, the apologies just tough everywhere. But I'm really glad you lied to Australia. Maybe we should do a tour of Australia. I'm not sure Fiona would be very happy about that.”

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  16. “On my last trip to Australia, I was surprised by how much people were moaning about Australia. They were much moaning. I think the world's got much moania.”

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  17. “All over Sydney, I did enjoy your falling in love with Australia because I think you thought I was always a bit over the top about Australia and why I kept banging on about Australia if I was a young man I'd go and live in Australia and blah blah blah but you did go over the top of times Rory. I think you'd be there about four days and you sent me a message saying I think my next book is going to be Why the World Leads Tippy War Like Australia?”

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  18. “Very topical in politics recently because we learned that Kemi Bad not quite often has steak delivered to her desk for lunch.”

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  19. “The weight is clean. But listen, we will probably go back there at some point as tourists because we will, a lot of people will listen to this or they might who we talk to say if you want to swim in amazing clean, fresh water that will remind you what you think swimming in cold water in Britain should be like and used to be like, then go to Lake Annessey.”

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  20. “No, that was Le Geneva. That was Lay Geneva. It was Lay Geneva. But it is a swing. There is a swimming reason for this. The reason I'm choosing Lake Anasy is if Fiona and I went for a swim there. We go around the place trying to find beautiful new swimming spots. You could swim out for, I don't know how far, and you could see the bottom of the water because it was so clean. And when you investigate why it is so clean, it is because they, the local authorities around Lake Anassey, are determined that it should be clean. And they do the things that you need to do to keep it clean. They measure, they track, they are very strict about how many boats can go on there.”

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  21. “I am going for Lake Anasy. Not necessarily because it is a beautiful area, but I'll tell you why I'm going for Lake Anasy, Rory.”

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  22. “Essentially, the story of the IRA at the height of the troubles. Jerry Adams, a very, very large figure within it. And at the end of every episode, there's a thing comes up says, Jerry Adams denies having ever been a member of the IRA or having ever taken any part in any of the venerable. Kind of feel a sense of what it might have been like to be either a perpetrator or a victim in the troubles in Northern Ireland is harrowing at times but it's brilliantly done. So yeah, I'm going to say nothing. And if Fiona pops in with the coffee at any point, I can ask you to remember the name of the German one, but she may have gone out.”

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  23. “There's a German box set which I can't remember the name of, so that's pretty hopeless, which Fiona and I watched a while back, which was brilliant. I just cannot remember the title of it. I'm going to go for Say Nothing. Which is, and I've got a weird feeling that last year my book of the year might have been saying nothing. Yes, that rings a bell. This book about the disappearance of Gene McConville in Northern Ireland and Say Nothing in the series, which is based upon the book.”

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  24. “I'm going for a film that I think I mentioned when I saw it on the podcast, which is The Outrun Sersha Ronan playing an alcoholic. It's one of the most incredible portrayals of the descendant to alcoholism. And yet it's somehow a very, very hopeful film as well, not least because of nature. And she goes back home to Orkney. And it's a beautifully film, beautifully shot. She's an amazing actress.”

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  25. “Excellent. Oh, that sounds great. The publisher will be thrilled by that plug. I'm sure, especially if it's not out yet. Okay, what about best film of the year?”

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  26. “Brits involved, Henry Shannon's in there sort of weaving in and out. Beautifully written, and it gives you a real feel for this sense of normality around the Olympics at a time when the abnormality of Hitler and his power was becoming ever more apparent. Brilliant book.”

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  27. “This one was said to me by a guy called Guy Shrubsole, and it's absolutely brilliant. It's similar to the book who owns Scotland, but honestly, Rory, you cannot read this book and defend the establishment, the dukes, the extent to which land is used for tax dodging, the oligarchs and the sort of new money, the old money. It's a brilliantly researched piece of writing. And then my non-political, well, this is actually very political, but my German book of the year is, and again, it didn't come out this year, but it's Berlin 1936, Zechsein Taga in August, 16 days in August. This has been translated into English, but it's a wonderful book about the Berlin Olympics, and it's seen from all different perspectives of athletes, of people who are working there, of Hitler, of a woman who was obsessed with the idea that she wanted to kiss Hitler, of lots of...”

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  28. “and his wife, Yulia, and his daughter Dasha, they are kind of, this book is kind of part of their fight and part of their story now. And so I think that's my book of the year. The political domestic one, I'm going to say this biography by a guy called Stephen Walker, who's a Northern Ireland journalist and it's a biography of John Hume. John Hume, great man. And okay, you can say that he was a Nobel Prize winner because of the Northern Ireland peace process, but actually I still don't think people fully understand outside Northern Ireland what a huge figure in their history he is. And the other thing, Roy, that as you know happens when we do this podcast, we get sent lots and lots of books and often they're annoying and they lie in a parlour by the bed and you don't read them. But do you remember I said a while back when we're talking about the farmers, there's a really good book called Who Owns Scotland? And I don't know why somebody's never written a book called Who Owns England.”

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  29. “End this guy Putin and his regime are so bad, they are gonna go, they're gonna go, and it may take longer than you think, but it's gonna happen, and I'm going to be part of that. And of course, the other thing I really enjoyed meeting his daughter in an event.”

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  30. “That's good. That's nice. That's nice. Now we're on to books. I haven't been reading as much as I did last year, I don't think. But I mentioned my Book of the Year on the podcast we did not long before Christmas, which was this one, Patriot, Alexa Nivalni. And it really is the book of the year in so many ways because he was murdered by the Russians in February. The book is out already. It's become a bestseller in different parts of the world. And it's just a fantastic read because he's such an amazing character. It's stuff that he's been writing about different stages of his life at different stages of his life. And some of the most interesting and revealing bits are his diaries from Inside Prison. And of course, because we know the ending of the book, he dies, there's a kind of added tragic feel to it, but it's ultimately a very, very hopeful book. Basically, within it, he is saying, look, in”

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  31. “And have two and a half thousand people sort of in convulsions of laughter as she talked about some pretty difficult things that have gone in in her life. So that was probably the”

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  32. “We had you a wonderful sermon yesterday about hope, and as we're still a religious theme, that was very life of Brian. That was always look on the bright side, get good stuff out of bad, etc. Now here personal highlight, Rory. Personal highlight of the year. Look, my political highlight was seeing the back of the Tories labor in with a big win. I spent the entire election night with you in a Channel 4 studio, and I thoroughly enjoyed it. So that was great. The podcast personal highlight was probably getting Angela Merkel on. possibly as well filling the O2 that was nice but the personal highlight for me was probably seeing my daughter Grace fill the hammers with Apollo”

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  33. “That Trump was not going to win. And you did look very shocked on the night. I think I sort of in my gut felt something was going very badly wrong in the last few days. And I'd spoken to some of the Democrat strategists who I could tell from the tone of their voice. They were very, very anxious. But you took it remarkably well. I'd have been very, very upset if I'd have been you.”

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  34. “You've reminded me of a conversation I had at one of the Christmas batches I went to where Stephen Fry was present, Rory. He told me this story that he was in Australia at the same time as you, and he's sitting on a plane flying from one Australian city to the next. And who should be plunked down next to him on the plane but Rory Stewart? And he told me that he was saying to you, was very worried about the American election. And you said, don't worry, it is absolutely nailed on for Kabul Harris. I said, he said he spent the next few weeks telling all of his friends, don't worry, calm down. It's going to find some of them put money on it, Rory, because Stephen Fry was telling me he'd spoke, this guy was really well informed, very plugged There we are. That must have been your biggest surprise given how confident you were”

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  35. “And of course, you know, we said yesterday that the biggest event politically of the year was Donald Trump being a re-elected president. And this is Donald Trump drill baby drill. This is Elon Musk recycling as a waste of time is his new kind of tweet of the moment. So no, I think that has been the surprise of the year. That issue has fallen in a way that is really alarming. And to be fair to Ed Milliban, and I guess there's a lot of criticism from lots of different people inside and outside government because some people think he's too much driving the green agenda, as it were, without necessarily being fully cognizant of some of the other consequences, but at least he's showing leadership on this still. And that's what's been missing is if you go back to the Al Gore era when Al Gore was kind of, you know, the big voice on climate, there's nobody has really replaced him.”

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  36. “And so I think that's been the surprise. So COP, for example, if we were to say to most of our listeners now, what do you remember from COP? Do you remember any of the big decisions? Do you remember any of the big moments, any of the big speeches? I'm not sure they'd remember that much.”

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  37. “And often loss year, and even where they won, like the ANC in South Africa are still in government, but they're now part of a coalition. Modi was expected to get another huge win. He didn't. He went backwards quite considerably. And as you say, lots of the elections here in the UK, the Tory government fell in America, the Democrats lost to Trump, et cetera, et cetera. I think the thing that surprised me most, and this was going to be in the Christmas Day podcast when we talked about the most underdiscussed thing, the one that Ayala is my second choice if you'd have said the same thing. I was going to make my first choice, was actually the way that climate change has gone right down the political agenda, which is incredibly worrying, very, very dangerous, but also testimony, I'm afraid, to the fact that the hard right do weaponize these issues incredibly well.”

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  38. “Well, if you remember when we started talking about 2024, we said it was going to be the year of the elections, more people voting than any time in history. I guess the thing that surprised me a bit is the way that incumbency became a big problem in elections rather than what it often has been in history, which is an advantage. Every single party of government went backwards. That's a pretty amazing thing. First time since basically since data has been collectible.”

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  41. “I don't know about you, Rick. I find it exhausting because you spend so much time worrying about spam calls, data tracking. You don't quite know trust.”

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