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Greta Van Susteren

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  1. It's almost like whatever happened to manners. If you look at this, it's all about manners, how you treat other people. And now, of course, it's sexual harassment, but that's just manners. I mean, why would you be disrespectful to a woman like that? I mean, why do you think you should do that and can do that?

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  2. Think internet companies, they think they didn't think hard enough about the consequences of their creations very much at all, in fact. I have a line that I've been using a lot of lines of Facebook was move fast and break things, and I'm tired of them breaking things. They break a lot of things. And then secondly, I would have to say, I think some of the commentary on both sides of the political aisle, it's getting insane that sexual harassment has become partisan. Like it's crazy. They're all awful. It's crazy. Awful men, every single one of them on all sides of the aisle. And so it's kind of that you can't decry both sides when it's very clear.

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  3. You know who I think owes apologies. It really drives me crazy around this time of the year that these corporations with management who have not managed their corporations well suddenly decide because it's the end of the year they need to do these big layoffs and they themselves don't get laid off but the people who are actually doing the jobs that they were told to do and assigned to do and they're doing the jobs but the people whose job it was to run a company efficiently and effectively they're not the ones that get laid off and I can't stand the layoffs the layoffs make me crazy and as corporations they almost seem heartless sometimes and I think to myself who did the job the workers or the ones who are now doing the layoffs who didn't manage well whose job it was to make sure the company was managed well all right

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  4. I would say who has to apologize? I think that this country is in pain over all of these sexual harassment stories, and I think a lot of it is that we have a president who is in a constant state of combat and Rather than Compassion on this issue, and so number one for me would be the president saying he said.

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  5. Then they vote and reject. They vote on the app. But you know what? Getting your book on AOL is that who doesn't remember the You've Got Mail is that when I started coming up with the idea for the app, I'd be with my husband and I get a little, you know, like I get irritable sometimes or something, he'd say, you need the app.

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  6. Why should you always have to? And one of the things I thought was interesting was that the giving the past, certain people get passes and don't, and certain people get there, I'm sorries, very quickly and others don't. And so I think there is a great rage in this moment of people like we're tired of saying, okay, we're tired of saying.

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  7. Maybe people, I don't know. I don't know if that'll change with the app, but maybe people just start talking about it more. I mean, I don't know. I'm sort of a bleeding heart. I mean, I did criminal defense work for years where my clients did some pretty bad things. And it's sort of hard to explain to a jury why someone shouldn't be convicted or get a long sentence to a judge. But I think at least getting the dialogue going, I mean, even hating my app gets the dialogue going.

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  8. She's not sorry enough. And you still see that in the meme. So there's a really good character who seems to, there will never be, I finally was like, she went over broken glass on her knees and begged you, you still wouldn't be enough. When is that? Because people, you know, you're sick of the hate, but it's people not accepting the forgiveness or not being willing to. How does that change?

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  9. Yeah. Let me ask you a question because it was a really interesting one. We interviewed Hillary Clinton at the Code Conferences here. One of her supporters came up to me, someone who'd given her a lot of money, one of the internet people. Even though I wanted to focus it around Russia, which, as it's turned out, she was pretty accurate, a lot of the, it was before a lot of this stuff came out. And I didn't want her to discuss Wisconsin not going to Wisconsin or whether she was an uncomfortable campaigner or whether she was likable. That really wasn't what the interview was about. He came up to me and he said, She didn't say she was sorry enough. And it was fascinating. It was really interesting. I have gotten that so many times and I was like, but she did actually say it three times.

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  10. Both, both. But isn't that same? But I mean, I actually wanted to launch a television show years ago at Fox, another thing that I never got to with Rupert. And it was the Sarry Show where you have where you could show the Sarry. Oh, here's what you need to know. Okay. If we did the analytics. And as of April last year on social media every 24 hours, there are more than 475,000 apologies.

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  11. Yeah, I mean, we work together, but yes, I mean, not give them credit for that. I love that. I mean, they did a great job. If you look at the Sorry, the icon, it's a little bit sort of Twitter-ash, Facebook-esque. They did a great job.

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  12. My niece's husband works for WPP. No, WPP is? Yes, of course, Mark. And so I talked to him. Actually, I saw Sir Martin Sorrell recently, and I said, we're partners, we're business partners, because we are. I have the majority percentage, but I struck a deal with one of his companies, VML, out of Kansas City. And they did the development on it. And I own more than 50% of it. And so Martin Sorrell and WPP are my partners on this.

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  13. But see, I'm eventually going to post those videos as time arches on. We're rolling this out. We're developing. I've actually had two venture capitalists call me. I don't even know what to say. I'm learning new language, whether I have a deck. Do you know what a deck is? Yes, I did. I didn't know what a deck was. I didn't know what a deck was. I mean, and everything's an experience. I'm learning your language. Everything's an experience. There's a lot of...

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  14. Have you watched any? I mean, if you live in this town, if you watch cable news thought. And then the only time you hear apologies, it's La I'm sorry if I offended you. Take some of the sexual harassment ones. I thought it was shared or something like that. I thought it was shared that you had a broken nose. Those are my things.

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  15. Everybody's blaming everybody. Have you ever seen so many right people in your life? I mean, it's like everybody's blaming everybody. I mean, it's like, it's stunning how people blame. I did one in the beta, we were just testing things. I did an apology and I apologize for not saying goodbye to my viewers after I left MSNBC. And then I said, and when I watched it, it seemed snarky.

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  16. And then finally, the feature I think that Hillary liked most as such a good Democrat is the who should apologize section. And I imagine that probably there'll be a lot of people that she thinks should be up there.

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  17. It could have a whole internet. Then the other is that people just may want to publicly apologize for whatever reason. I mean, you and I probably and Hillary, if we're going to apologize, we're going to do it in person. People who are younger tend to do everything on the smartphone. Millennials don't even like to answer the phone. So they can publicly apologize, do apologies, and so they can put it up there. I do fun apologies. I have one up there now that my dog apologizes sort of for shredding the mail that comes in through the slot one of my dogs. So, I mean, so some are fun, some are heartfelt. Our biggest problem right now are the trolls, but we have a feature that if two people fly it, it automatically disappears. So we have that. Then there's going to be throwback Thursday. We'll put up old apologies, whether it's Aunt Favorite or favorite apologies of the past. Yeah, right. Favorite apology, Anthony Weener, whether it's Nixon for Watergate, but every throwback Thursday so you can vote whether you think it's a genuine or not in a new unit of time, so to speak. The apologies look very different after years pass.

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  18. I wanted to learn. Okay, so anyway, here are the features. One is when we finish rolling out all of them, which they are, is it's free. It's called the SARY app. It's free download. Is that one is peer-to-peer. I could apologize to you. And you get the apology. And after you watch it disappears so you can't snap, so you can't weaponize it and show all your friends, look what a loser Greta is trying to apologize to me. Okay, what a loser. So if you accept it, I know it's great. And then there'll be a way I'll monetize it later. I'll send you flowers. There's a way to monetize it. That's one. Then there's the public one. Let's say Kathy Griffin does her apology and now everyone gets, everyone who has this free download can look at the video. We'll upload the video and everyone gets to vote whether she was sincere or not. And you get to accept or reject it because so many politicians, I mean, look at like when Elliot Spitzer apologized for cheating, he brought his wife as a date to the thing. You know, everyone gets to watch and think whether it really is a good idea. So publicly people get to accept.

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  19. Okay, here's the app. Because I was unemployed and had nothing to do when I left Fox News. I walked out with no future, no nothing. All of a sudden I walked out and my violin is huge. I didn't know what I was doing with my life. And so I started working on this. And there are a couple parts

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  20. I don't know what it is, but it's actually been Greta News. Yeah, Greta News. It's been really fun because I like the foreign stuff. And I've done stuff on North Korea where I've been three times. So to me, Voice of America has been, I'm doing as a volunteer, and it's very exciting to me. All right. All right. So anyway, ask my app. Okay. So it says, sorry. All right, here's what it says.

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  21. Okay, I have a thought about all this. First of all, it's like, you know, look, I've seen some pretty horrible things on the internet. Horrible things said about me. You know, I get it, but the internet's here to stay. Social media is here to stay. So we can all sit around and hate it for its nastiness. And I guess I just haven't given up. I still think it's a wonderful research tool. I think the wonderful things you can do with it. I'm still willing to give it a try to try to make it better. I'd like to flood it with better things, but it really isn't coming upon us and how we use it. It's going to be an uphill battle. It's incredible. Hate is a very powerful weapon. It's a very powerful weapon. But I'm not giving up on social media. I might give up on social media if I thought that it was going to go away. But it's not.

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  22. On YouTube, have gotten really out of hand. And the other day I was with the head of the ADL, and we were looking up ADL on Google, and it came back with a correct result. This is the ADL, the Anti-Defamation League. Here's what they do. But then when you went to YouTube and searched it, which is owned by the same exact company, it was all anti-Semitic hate speech. All of the top 20 selections were hate speech.

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  23. So, when you think about social media, and then in the next section, we're going to talk about your SARI app, when you think about the impact of social media, a lot of people now think it's turned ugly. Really, it's not redeemable at this point, just away from the Russia things, but privacy, how people engage in divisiveness. I personally think Twitter's become kind of a cesspool. You never feel good after using these apps except for... Maybe Instagram, which is a nicer version of things, even there, you find comments on

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  24. It matters. I hope he's making decisions based. I mean, even decisions I disagree with. I hope they're based on talking to his staff and thinking about it and having good counsel, even those decisions I disagree with. I don't think decisions should be made on Twitter, and I'm not convinced that he's necessarily making them on Twitter. I think he's engaging people on Twitter and picking fights. I think, you know, fighting with people on Twitter.

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  25. I want you to get it to them. And I said, Why are you doing that? And he said, Because I want to give him a jump start. He needs a jump start. He's had a rough time. So I go, okay. So the next day a FedEx arrives with a check for $25,000, made out to Sergeant Andrew Tamarisi. And that I had the job of tracking down his address, Tamarisi, and I sent the check off to him. And so that's, I mean, that's the, you know, I don't know any, you know, I hear and I don't want to be in the position of having to defend Donald Trump. But, I mean, I can only relate facts of things that have happened. I object to his tweeting both.

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  26. You know what, Hillary? I have no idea. I really don't have a sense of, I mean, the only off-camera experience I have with him, which is sort of unusual one, was during the Obama administration. went down to Mexico to get this marine out of prison down there because I thought he's in prison for a really stupid reason. It was a stupid reason. I mean, he'd made a wrong turn, which first I didn't believe was anyone could make a wrong turn, but then I made the wrong turn, so I got it. And so I spent a lot of time on the story and he got out. And so I'm sitting in my office one day right a few days after he gets out and I get a phone call hold for Donald Trump. It's like, okay, I'll hold for Donald Trump. And Donald Trump gets on the phone. He says to me, he says, Greta, what does Sergeant Tamarisi's address? I said, I have no idea. I don't know what his address is. And he said, I said, I have no idea what his address is. He said, okay, well, I'm sending you a check.

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  27. But he knew it when it got this critical force, and then he did know a critical mass. But my thought is that, okay, as everyone, people jumped on me on, you know, how can you thank him for something so only temporary or something like that. And my thought is like, I want it permanent. And if it takes me saying thank you to him for doing that, have at it.

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  28. To do it anyway, frankly, I don't know if he even knew about it in the beginning, these presents. We assigned everything to them that inner administrations, he may not even have known about it in the first place.

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  29. I'll leave that to you. But here's what I know that I had tweeted, I'm a big animal lover, I'm a vegan. And the thing about the elephants just drove me up the wall. The fact that we would, you know, lift the ban on trophies like that just drove me up the wall. And so I tweeted to him, hoping he would see it. And I don't make a practice on the elephants. You know, please, Mr. President, don't lift this band. And others did too. Alan was big on it. She's got a big following onto her. But a lot of people, I wasn't the only one. But then he lifted the van, but only temporarily. So I thought, okay, I want to encourage that. I don't want to discourage that. So I said, thank you, Mr. President, for doing that because I want to encourage it. And so he liked my praise or acknowledgement, however you want to do it. And he then retweeted it. And of course, that then became a story in and of itself. Look, people said to me, how in the world could you, you know, if he was only temporary or he was going?

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  30. I wouldn't call that a reparte. What I'd call it is this that he follows forty five people. He's a 45th president, so I think that's probably his magic number. I am one of the 45. I don't know why. That's a big deal.

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  31. There's an awful lot on noise associated with it. I think we'll know whether it harms him if he runs in 2020 and he's elected. I think that's when we'll know whether or not it has harmed him or not. He used it effectively as a weapon and he got elected. And it makes all of us journalists mad that we can't get them to sit down and do interviews with us. But nonetheless, you can't deny that it has been an effective tool for him. And so far, nothing has stuck. And I don't think we know if anything sticks until we see the next election and we count up the votes. Right.

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  32. Outsmart at everybody. He's outsmarted everybody. Do you think it's really outsmarter? Because now some of it's coming home. A lot of things he's saying on Twitter months ago is now being used in court cases. You're a lawyer And the travel ban now with this ATT merger

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  33. In May, I don't know. Look, look, I think he should do more sit-down interviews. I think he should do one with CNN, MSNBC. He does one with Fox, with CBS. I think he should do them with all. Yes, I know I think he should.

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  34. Well, that's where we go now with this. Why in the world, I mean, think about it. I mean, look, a responsible person has an obligation to answer questions when he's a politician, no matter what level. President Trump and President Obama tweeted, but not like President Trump, but he realizes that he can bypass the media and he can put out now 140, now 280 characters and reach the American people with, I think, 50 million people who follow him without having to go through journalists.

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  35. I said, if you ever become president, I want the first foreign trip because I'm interested in the foreign stuff. I'm interested in the foreign policy. And he always said he would. So he became president And pointing out that the president had promised this to me the first. And Trump, you know, I thought he was pretty loyal to his promises. Well, I was told in May that, well, they didn't deny that I had been promised that, that I wouldn't get it. And the reason I wouldn't get the trip, the foreign trip, the first interview with now President Trump was because Joe Scarborough called him, said he had dementia and was deranged or something else. So now I'm getting punished by the Democratic president for Democratic leaning network when I had the flip side over there.

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  36. Well, let me tell you a little old tech story about that stuff. When I was at the Fox News, when I was at Fox and Senator Obama was running for president, he would do an interview with me. When he became president, he wouldn't do an interview with me because he didn't like Fox News. I get it. I got it. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, I've been interviewing her since she was first lady. She was willing to do interviews with me, but what I was told, I don't know if this is true, but what I was told is that she couldn't do an interview with me and the White House wouldn't let her, whoever the White House was, I don't even know who that was, the White House wouldn't let her do an interview with me on American soil. So I had eight interviews with her in four years when she was Secretary of State. I had him in Afghanistan, in India, Mexico, Germany. She couldn't do an interview with me on American soil because the Obama White House hated Fox News so much. Now fast forward and I'm over at MSNBC. Now we've got a Republican president. And when Donald Trump was first running for president before,

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  37. They are. No, no, I know. And the thing is that people tend to, like, if someone says something really awful about someone you don't like, you tend to believe it. Whereas it said something wonderful about something you like, you tend to believe it. But look, American people are just going to have to be more aggressive in how they consume news. And also these tech companies have got to be more aggressive in what they do. And also the government has to do what it can to prevent us from being hacked and any poisoning from any other country.

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  38. Of course, they're not going to say their response, but they need the SARI app. But I think it's also us. I mean, how we consume news. I mean, we have to be more vigilant in terms. I mean, if you read something that seems unbelievable, chances are it is unbelievable. And a good consumer, if you're going to go out and buy a stereo, you're at least going to look at consumer reports in the old days to see if you've got a good stereo. I mean, people should cross-check, look at the sources, know the sources, be an aggressive consumer of news. They aren't.

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  39. And where do you imagine they do about it? I mean, who is ultimately responsible? Is it the government? Because a lot of the tech companies have said, well, the government didn't, these are countries attacking us. Individual hackers, this is full country attacks. So the government has responsibility.

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  40. I do. I do too because, I mean, they're like the drudge report. I mean, the Drudge Report puts a bunch of articles up. What's different than putting them up on a media platform? I mean, a platform on the internet. What's the difference?

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  41. Well, and I think much of Congress acts sort of the way you talked about kind of the befuddled parent, right? Which is A tech company says to them, you better stay away from this because you never know what you're going to do to screw up innovation. You don't, you know, don't worry your pretty little head about it. You're not smart enough to regulate in this area.

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  42. All these social media platform companies want to act, they want to pretend the telephone company and they can't help it if you're making obscene phone calls or prank calls and asking if your refrigerator is running and that you better go catch them. I mean, that's the way they think. But they are more than that. They're much like drudge. They're aggregators of news. And here's the problem. Everyone's getting sick and fed up about all the fake news, the influence in terms of from other countries in our elections using their platforms. So they have a choice. They can either figure out a solution themselves, which would be a really good idea because the American people are fed up congresses, or they run the risk that Congress is going to get in their business and start regulating them. Then, of course, we'll have the whole First Amendment battle. But, you know, they'd be smart right now to figure out a good solution, make everybody happy. Balls in their court.

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  43. So, talk a little bit about because right when you're publishing this, all the social media companies are on Capitol Hill testifying. How do you look at what's happened? I mean, you're obviously paying a lot of attention, but they've been obviously their platforms have been. Misused, they seem to not have control of them. They seem to make excuses about these platforms, which are incredibly powerful.

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  44. I look at it for everybody over the age of 40 who thinks he or she knows everything about social media might learn some tips there. And for those who have missed the revolution and want to get on social media, and it's also for everyone under the age of 40 who is sick and tired of answering questions to those of us over 40 and just wants to buy a cheap book and throw it at the parents, right? Yeah.

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  45. I know, I was so humiliated and so embarrassed. I mean, I didn't find out about it for about eight hours. I mean, I didn't, and because I'd sent it to someone else and someone said, why did you send a picture of a blonde sleeping on a couch at one o'clock in the morning to El Gore, to which I said, I didn't do that, yes, you did. So anyway, so I also learned stuff. So, you know, I've learned a lot of things. I've been more careful with autocorrect muting versus blocking on Twitter. So there are a lot of things.

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  46. How to use things and how effectively what you can do with Facebook. And even the difference between, I sort of, I mean, my Instagram, Facebook were pretty much the same. They're all pictures of my cats and my dogs and my work and everything. And I really had no sort of pattern or mission. Even how I used Twitter. So I learned a lot of the tricks. I learned things about how to make it private in terms of how to avoid some of the pitfalls. And by the way, I put in my book, and you'll love this Hillary, especially since I accidentally sent a picture to Al Gore in the middle of the night of a blonde sleeping on a couch, which I write about in the book. I meant to send it to Eliza, one of my nieces, instead of went to Al Gore. So you can also learn the autocorrect, the autocorrect was the auto killer.

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  47. I don't know. It's something about Instagram, and I thought you little brat. I remember you couldn't even talk. And she's like saying seriously to me. And anyway, so I thought I said, yes, seriously. I didn't know. So anyway, she answered the question, whatever it was. So I decided, I thought, well, if I hold myself out as annoyance, maybe there's a book there. So I started to research the book and I discovered lo and behold, I didn't know much about social media. It was a shock.

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  48. Look, let's go back to the question. The problem is money. Money ruins politics or money ruins the news business too because if you're worried about the bottom line in a corporation and you have to be I mean these corporations are not going to have shareholders if they spend the money wildly but it's wildly expensive to do stories on human trafficking unless you've got unless all the viewers want to watch it and if all the viewers don't want to watch it you're just wasting your money and so they're not going to do it they can put some they can put five people in a studio and get more viewers and have happy shareholders Let me just say one thing in response to the management is that they do try to be responsible and try to do the news gathering too. I'm obviously making sort of a gross exit.

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  49. Here's what I think is going to happen. I think all three cable networks may find themselves getting some competition from somebody else. I'm hoping that some person comes along with a couple billion dollars, decides and wants a network that simply turns the temperature down, puts less pressure on its anchors and its correspondence, gives the right amount of money so that they can do their jobs, get them out of the studio. You know, the reason why I think that so many people miscalled this election is that not enough anchors got out of the studio. If the anchors had gone to my home state of Wisconsin, which a Democrat had not lost since 1984, they would have learned that Secretary of State Hillary Clinton ought to spend some time in Wisconsin. She lost that state. That would have probably made the difference in whether she'd be the president or not. But they thought, everyone thought that she was a lock. But if you went out and talked to people who I grew up with, you knew that she was in trouble.

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  50. Whatever it was. And my numbers weren't up as high as some of the other shows at MSNBC, but that's considering that I'd come from a different network where it's going to take people a while to warm up to me. I had the same problem over at Fox when I went from CNN to Fox. It took a while to warm up. But once they warm up, I was number one at Fox News for 14 years. I said at 14 and a half years. But I never got that chance at MSNBC.

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