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Hadi Partovi

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first: 2016-02-15
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“I totally agree. And in fact, a huge part of why I want schools to teach this isn't because kids should learn to become coders, it's because kids should learn to become creators. And when you take multiple choice tests and memorize things, you don't learn to become a creator. Whereas when you learn how to code and do computer science, you actually do learn to become a creator.”
2016-02-15 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Hadi Partovi, CEO, Code.org · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Can you then translate it into entrepreneurship? I think everyone's going to have to be an entrepreneur going forward. I think the way we do jobs now is just not going to serve us well. We're not going to have jobs.”
2016-02-15 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Hadi Partovi, CEO, Code.org · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“We're actually doing studies in Charles County to talk about exactly there's a number of things we're looking at. What are the kids and teachers' attitudes towards the field to see do those kids grow up thinking maybe it might consider going to this field? And also just to learn how much do they learn? And also does it impact their math or science scores? There's a lot of people who have this sort of belief, there's this gut feel that learning coding will also help learning math, but that's something that we actually can study because now we have places where everyone can.”
2016-02-15 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Hadi Partovi, CEO, Code.org · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“The state level Arkansas, if I had to pick a school district, Charles County in Maryland Charles County just two years ago, they said we want to put this at every grade band, elementary, middle, and high school, and they already are the only school districts in the country where you can't go to a school in the district. All of them teach computer science.”
2016-02-15 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Hadi Partovi, CEO, Code.org · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Yeah, the hour of code has been this amazing gift that's kept giving to the field, and that alone has been extremely efficient in terms of the money we spend.”
2016-02-15 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Hadi Partovi, CEO, Code.org · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Nonprofit, we've raised about $30 million, which is a lot of money for young nonprofit. But if you consider that we now have partnerships with every single one of the largest school districts in the country, and we've had 100 million students try at least one hour of code, it's been an incredible code.”
2016-02-15 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Hadi Partovi, CEO, Code.org · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Let's talk about the future. We'll finish up with the future. Where do you imagine this going? What is the perfect storm for you of this happening? What would you like to see yourself, a required course that everybody takes and graduates with a proficiency? What kind of level of proficiency should people have?”
2016-02-15 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Hadi Partovi, CEO, Code.org · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“These schools actually come to us and say we want to upgrade our tech ed class, we want to get rid of these old things, how can we add more computer science into the place of it?”
2016-02-15 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Hadi Partovi, CEO, Code.org · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“The other thing, by the way, in terms of removing, there's lots of courses around the country that teach how to browse the web or how to type or how to make a document. And these are important skills, but I don't think these are skills that most kids learn in school. I think they learn how to type on Snapchat or on Instagram.”
2016-02-15 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Hadi Partovi, CEO, Code.org · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“The kids have the computer, but the math class doesn't involve the computer in the way that there's literally a piece in the SAT. You can't take an SAT without a calculator. And it's a $100, $150 device that every student in this entire country buys. And this is a device that hasn't gone faster and cheaper and smaller year after year. It's a text instruments calculator. Yeah, why aren't we using any kind of computer and using computer programming to learn those same concepts?”
2016-02-15 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Hadi Partovi, CEO, Code.org · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Is decades old. Kids are still using a really old programmable calculator to learn math. And many of those same instructional things could be taught using a computer. And today's computers are about as cheap as those calculators are.”
2016-02-15 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Hadi Partovi, CEO, Code.org · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“The thing I would look at in terms of trading off is when you look at the younger grades where some of the things you study aren't optional, you just get taught it. One thing I look at is the calculator that's used to top math.”
2016-02-15 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Hadi Partovi, CEO, Code.org · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“So, I think at the high school level, you don't need to remove anything at the school level. Students will choose what they want to study. In fact, once you offer this, students flock to it, they want to learn it. I don't know if there's any one thing the school removes.”
2016-02-15 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Hadi Partovi, CEO, Code.org · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“And that has a cost to it. And that cost is going to be at least hundreds of millions of dollars to train enough teachers to get there.”
2016-02-15 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Hadi Partovi, CEO, Code.org · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“To be short of the teachers, the teachers. Right. But we don't need, like I said, we don't need the software engineers to become the teachers. So, you know, our nation's colleges graduate teachers all the time, and the biology teachers and science teachers, they graduate aren't ready to become surgeons or ready to win the Nobel Prize in Chemistry or to work in pharmaceutical companies, they're teachers. And we can have those same colleges graduate, the average science teacher, math teacher having one or two computer science courses under their belt to then also teach computer science. And the real cost comes until the time that we have the new and incoming graduates having these courses under their belts, how do we train the current existing workforce? We have 2 million teachers in this country. How do we train enough of those teachers enough so that every school offers a course?”
2016-02-15 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Hadi Partovi, CEO, Code.org · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Promises when It should be teaching Jolly Pulpa, right? Yeah, the thing that So let's talk about the obstacles, and then I want to finish up talking about where you imagine us in 10 years of this. Talk about the obstacles money, one, money? Knowledge”
2016-02-15 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Hadi Partovi, CEO, Code.org · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Yeah, both Republican and Democrat. The strongest state in favor of computer science is Arkansas where Asa Hutchinson made it part of his campaign platform. He made seven promises when he ran for governor, and one of them was computer science for all students. And it's also the only state in the country where every school already must teach computer science, and he's funded it. So this is not a Democrat or a Republican issue. It's highly bipartisan. But this president in this White House is very supportive of it. There's a huge question of whether the White House should be telling our schools what to teach or not. And I think most people would say that they shouldn't. But at least what the president has proposed is that whoever funds it or whoever does it, it should be popular, right? Just saying that this should be in our schools and nobody disagrees with that. And he's proposed funding from federal government to allow local schools to adopt it.”
2016-02-15 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Hadi Partovi, CEO, Code.org · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Yeah, so on the current administration, they've been extremely supportive of computer science education. And I would say actually it's not just the White House. Many of the governors throughout the country are all Republicans.”
2016-02-15 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Hadi Partovi, CEO, Code.org · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“That's true. And of course, being a billionaire helps to be a celebrity. But there's many non-billionaires that have that impact that are very popular. And I think every American seeing the growth of the tech industry has some degree of either an envy of those people or they just feel like they're being left behind or so on. There's not a single American that doesn't realize that technology is moving faster than we can keep up with and creating all this opportunity. And the idea that our schools aren't even trying to keep our kids up to speed is something we all think that's a problem that should be fixed. And I would say probably the biggest challenge we've had to fight against is this natural apathy of, oh, it's public schools and we can't fix it, we can't improve it. And what we've done in the last two and a half years is show that we actually can improve this, that we can take action. And now that schools, parents, students, teachers are all saying that we can add this to the curriculum. That has grown sort of a life.”
2016-02-15 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Hadi Partovi, CEO, Code.org · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Yeah, so I think, first of all, I think techies are celebrities partly because of their wealth, but also because of their impact. And because of their consumer product impact. For example, the CEOs of the largest banks are very wealthy, but I wouldn't consider them celebrities. And I'm not sure I could even name all of them.”
2016-02-15 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Hadi Partovi, CEO, Code.org · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Yes. And one thing, actually, we've been messaging, and increasingly you see politicians picking up on this is that STEM is a big deal. We're behind as a country on science, technology, engineering, and math. But if you look at the actual opportunities, the reason we should be investing in STEM is because of economic growth and jobs. If you look at the new jobs in STEM, according to the government's own Bureau of Labor Statistics, 71% of all new STEM jobs are in computing. They're for computer programmers, data analysts, cybersecurity experts, et cetera. So it's not that we don't have a problem in STEM, but when 71% of the new jobs are in computing, really the problem is in computer science.”
2016-02-15 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Hadi Partovi, CEO, Code.org · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“The parents are fully supportive. 90% of parents want schools to teach computer science. I would actually say just in the last two years, we've seen a complete flip in terms of views on this.”
2016-02-15 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Hadi Partovi, CEO, Code.org · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Changing schools, I wouldn't say, is easy and I wouldn't suggest that as a job to anybody. And when I got into this, everybody told me this is crazy, you can't change schools. But I would say what's been amazing for us is that the schools are interested and willing, and it's a lot easier to get the education system to change when the teachers want it. At this point, more than half of all teachers in this country believe that students must be required to learn computer science. And when the teachers feel that, the education system as a whole is much easier to move along.”
2016-02-15 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Hadi Partovi, CEO, Code.org · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“All sorts of things from the basics of coding starting from learning about things like for loops and if then statements, functions, and variables, but also other non-coding things like how does the internet work, how does cybersecurity work, how is data encrypted. These are all things that are part of computer science and understanding the technology world around us, but beyond just learning to code.”
2016-02-15 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Hadi Partovi, CEO, Code.org · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“It entails in-person training in showing them how to teach our curriculum in their classrooms, whether it's at elementary, at middle, or a high school. And each of the teachers we train is basically then going back. And then they use your curriculum.”
2016-02-15 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Hadi Partovi, CEO, Code.org · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Having people who know how to do this is hard too because we don't have exactly. And they say, well, we can't afford to hire a software engineer to teach this. And we say, you know, you don't have a surgeon teaching your intro bioclass either. You have a teacher teaching it. And we'll train your existing teachers enough so that they can teach this. And we have now actually become one of the largest teacher training operations in the country. We're training.”
2016-02-15 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Hadi Partovi, CEO, Code.org · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“So we've moved from evangelizing, which we still continue to do, to actually making it really easy for the schools. And the two pieces that they need to make that easy. One is the curriculum, making the curriculum super easy to adopt for the teacher. And then the second is actually training their existing teaching staff.”
2016-02-15 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Hadi Partovi, CEO, Code.org · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“At code.org, we don't push for it to be required at the high school level. There's lots of school districts that do want to make that happen, and we support them in doing it. But we aren't pushing that it should be required as a high school course. We are pushing that every school must offer it so that the students have the opportunity to learn it.”
2016-02-15 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Hadi Partovi, CEO, Code.org · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Under science, just throw it in there. I mean, there's lots of things you have in elementary school that aren't just math and writing. And then by high school to have every school should offer at least one course and ideally an advanced course for the kids who want to go beyond.”
2016-02-15 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Hadi Partovi, CEO, Code.org · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“So, our view is I don't compare it as much to spelling. The thing I compare to is something like biology class, where every high school has a biology class. You aren't required to take biology, but you have a chance to take it. And every elementary school teaches you basics like bees make honey and flowers turned into fruits. And that's not called biology. It's just part of third grade or second grade. And similarly, I think the basics of computer science should be integrated into elementary school just as part of fourth grade, fifth grade. Under science.”
2016-02-15 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Hadi Partovi, CEO, Code.org · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“In general, I would say education is more valued in a lot of international countries across all fields, but computer science education is something where the United States, I wouldn't say we're the farthest ahead, but we are definitely pushing the rest of the world. We at Code.org constantly get asked by folks in India saying, how can we bring this to India?”
2016-02-15 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Hadi Partovi, CEO, Code.org · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“I absolutely believe that learning how to create technology is part of participating in the revolution we're dealing with. By the way, I would actually say this is a field where we are leading the world in. People assume that the Asians are teaching this in their schools just what the Chinese, the Indians. And that's because, first of all, when you have a billion people in China, if even 1% of them are learning computer science, those are the ones that we want to hire to bring into this country.”
2016-02-15 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Hadi Partovi, CEO, Code.org · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“So let's talk about what you're doing because one of the things that we talked about is that most other countries, this is sort of just happens. It's part of their core curriculum. It's part of their core goals as a country. And ours does not. Ours does not. I think people are consumed. I was at a really interesting event where the guy, it was a group of African American students, and I think they were at church downtown in San Francisco. But it was a speaker, and he was saying, he said, how many of you kids download something from the internet? And everyone was like, who's this idiot? We're making fun of him. They all raised their hands. And he said, how many of you people upload things to the internet? And nobody did. And he said, well, you're all digital sharecroppers, which was a shocking thing to hear. And actually, it really hit these kids, these African-American kids, that they were from public schools, and they didn't have these skills. And he was essentially saying you're letting yourself be used by the Facebooks of the world, everybody, Googles of the world, and you're not getting something back.”
2016-02-15 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Hadi Partovi, CEO, Code.org · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Correct. Yeah, our courses, because they're in public schools and they're in many of the most urban schools in the country, they have an almost perfectly balanced ethnic population. It's about 37% Black and Hispanic kids, again, 3 million black or Hispanic kids are learning to code on code.org because it's part of the curriculum in their school.”
2016-02-15 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Hadi Partovi, CEO, Code.org · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“But I don't believe that this is because it's just about boys being wired to think one way and girls being wired to think another way. And in fact, in co.org's courses at elementary school, we're at an almost balanced population. It's roughly 45% of our active coders are women. In fact, we see the women progressing farther than the boys just slightly in our online courses. And we're talking about 3 million girls all coding online.”
2016-02-15 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Hadi Partovi, CEO, Code.org · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“First of all, I would say absolutely the lack of diversity in Silicon Valley reflects the lack of diversity in the education pipeline. Whether you look in the tech workforce and university or in high school. It's four to one, roughly, across all three”
2016-02-15 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Hadi Partovi, CEO, Code.org · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Talk about how it is taught because that does keep. I mean, the diversity issue, which I want to touch on here, is really severe, like getting the right people doing it. They certainly have a group of people, and it always ends up, as you know here in Silicon Valley, is white men, white men, white men kind of thing, young white men who later get older and then hire more young white men. And so it creates a kind of industry that feels really close to most people. Would teaching it in schools not change that, or do certain people just tend towards, I mean, they self-select and then they have this thing that I say on almost every show that Silicon Valley becomes a mirror autocracy versus a meritocracy, that it really does reflect what has come before it. So how do you, would that change it by putting it part of the core curriculum?”
2016-02-15 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Hadi Partovi, CEO, Code.org · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Anything that you can actually go home and show your mom and dad and friends to be proud about. And that is absolutely the way to get more kids excited about it, whether they're girls, whether they're boys.”
2016-02-15 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Hadi Partovi, CEO, Code.org · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Absolutely. I remember one of my, I love giving this example when I learned to code one of the sort of school homework problem sets was to write the code to calculate the Fibonacci sequence in math. And I don't know if anybody cares about the Fibonacci sequence, or maybe I offended some Fibonacci.”
2016-02-15 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Hadi Partovi, CEO, Code.org · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Part of the education system. The way you do with art classes. Because that makers culture that you're actually making something. One of the reasons is the way it has been taught in the past has kept out lots of people, women, for example. When they think they're making something or they're creating something of value, they tend to be more interested in it. And if they're just moving around brackets, for example.”
2016-02-15 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Hadi Partovi, CEO, Code.org · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Absolutely, it means about getting kids learning. It's part of the education system. But it's getting it to be part of the education system. And in fact, it's a great question you ask because if you think about just learning to code, learning a particular language, where do the angle brackets go, where do the semicolons go, that sounds super nerdy and not fun at all. But if you think about creating an app or creating a game or creating an animation, those are actually extremely creative things. And if you compare computer programming and computer science, it's halfway between math and the arts in terms of exercising the analytical skills, but also exercising the creative skills and sort of, you know, when you go to math class, you're solving a theorem. You're proving something. You're answering a multiple choice question. You don't really go home and show mom or dad the thing you made, the way you do with articles.”
2016-02-15 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Hadi Partovi, CEO, Code.org · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“The first thing I'd say, by the way, is our goal, this is a subtle point, but our goal isn't to get kids to code, it's to get schools to teach computer science. Right, which means kids.”
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“I don't know if I could summarize it as one thing, but it basically, you know, it's a book about convincing you to go all in and to sort of forsake the natural hesitation you have and to recognize that the natural hesitation. Something we all have. And it's actually kind of connects to what I'm doing actually in my work where I decided I'm going to go all in on something and make it my mission.”
2016-02-15 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Hadi Partovi, CEO, Code.org · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Great book I read on the flight here actually is if you've read Art of War, there's a book called War of Art. It's a short book. And it's basically about what it takes to get over sort of writer's block, whether you're a writer or a creator or any kind of endeavor where sort of procrastination or fear stuff takes place.”
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“So, I think the main reason has happened is simply inertia. And in fact, the interest in it and the demand for it has peaked, but it just takes time to change public schools.”
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“Why is that? Why is that not looked upon, even though it's the one area of growth that the United States has seen, has been a leadership position in? And now, of course, China and India and others are graduating computer science people like crazy. They just do it as a matter of course as part of their country's future. Why hasn't that happened?”
2016-02-15 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Hadi Partovi, CEO, Code.org · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“You don't use any of it, but you do on a day-to-day basis use things like public key encryption and the average American has absolutely no idea what that is, although every time they visit a website, that's happening.”
2016-02-15 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Hadi Partovi, CEO, Code.org · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Absolutely, and my view of it is not just because of the job opportunities, but because if you look around our world, everything is turned upside down by technology. We don't teach biology or chemistry to kids in school because they're going to become surgeons or chemists. We teach them about photosynthesis and about water is H2O or how light bulbs work just to understand the world around us.”
2016-02-15 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Hadi Partovi, CEO, Code.org · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Correct. And Steve Jobs was, I think, 12 or 13 years older than me, and I thought if I die in 13 years, what will I look back on?”
2016-02-15 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Hadi Partovi, CEO, Code.org · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“So there actually is a moment where I kind of woke up with a spark of passion. I thought about this field for a while and I always, for at least four or five years, I thought that one could make a video of some of the best people in computer science to stir attention to this space. And I thought maybe I'd make that video. But I'd always envision it as a video featuring people like Bill Gates and Mark Zuckerberg and Steve Jobs talking about the field. And the day that Steve Jobs died, I remember actively thinking, damn it, one of the people I wanted in this video is no longer even available. And I'm here just sitting in my film them anymore. Right, no. And I just remember thinking, I'm sitting here doing nothing, like enjoying my time as an angel investor, but what is my real, what's my footprint going to be in the world?”
2016-02-15 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Hadi Partovi, CEO, Code.org · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT