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Hari Srinivasan

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“You certainly have CPO jobs that are posted, but the difference often is job posts versus recruiting. More and more senior roles are often recruited. And so we find that people will use LinkedIn in order to connect to a CPO and many people who are senior will say, oh, I got a method on LinkedIn and that led to this, or they made a long-term recruiting contact. But it may not happen through you finding a job and hitting the application button.”
2023-07-16 · Lenny's Podcast · LinkedIn’s product evolution and the art of building complex systems | Hari Srinivasan (LinkedIn) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Open to work, certainly has a high signal to noise. And as you can imagine, when someone's looking to fill a role, that's one they want. We are early in company commitments, but we are seeing some signal there that we kind of moved through. Skills has a pretty high signal as well when you're able to come through and show and demonstrate your skills. We're seeing some correlation to basically people getting a role. And then the final one that is harder for us to look through, but it's certainly important. I do think we show the hiring manager on a lot of the roles. We show these people through. And it's harder for us to kind of trace that because of the way the outcomes kind of work. But I would really encourage people to look through that and see if you can get in touch with those people.”
2023-07-16 · Lenny's Podcast · LinkedIn’s product evolution and the art of building complex systems | Hari Srinivasan (LinkedIn) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“The skill side, we kind of talked about a little bit, but I do think there's a big change when you're just looking at title. I think you only had one way to really prove that you had the skills. You had to have that title, which is very hard to break in. In a world where you're looking at skills, you can go through and say, look, I can do these things and you can put evidence behind it. And I'd really encourage people to do that if you just go to kind of any job post, you can see the skills, you can say add, and you can see all the evidence and how you can add it. And I would really encourage people to do that because when people in recruiter and they're looking for skills, profiles pop up and you can scroll over a skill and you can actually see all those evidence and you can basically a recruiter could say, oh, this is why I'd recommend you to this hiring manager. And I think you will find that that's hopefully a very useful way of doing it.”
2023-07-16 · Lenny's Podcast · LinkedIn’s product evolution and the art of building complex systems | Hari Srinivasan (LinkedIn) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“And you looking at the company, and I think they have to opt into this in some degree. And you say, look, you can say you're interested in that company, even though they don't have roles. And when the next role comes up, they'll have a signal that this person's actually very interested in this role. And that's an easy way to kind of signify from an early stage that you have interest in them. And that way when they open up a role, as you can imagine, they start looking through, they'll have a spotlight and recruiter and they can click on it and come through. Certainly, you can go into open work and say that this is something that I'm open to work right now and you can signify to the whole population that this is an area that you want to go for as well. And I would encourage both of those in some ways. If you're looking for a role, be open about it and tell the companies that you're looking for there. Those are really high signals of intent. The other thing you can do on LinkedIn is you can actually go through when you say open to work and you can specify like particular kinds of jobs and things you're looking for. And I think that more detailed intent helps make sure you're showing it to the right place.”
2023-07-16 · Lenny's Podcast · LinkedIn’s product evolution and the art of building complex systems | Hari Srinivasan (LinkedIn) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“There's two things that anyone who's hiring is always going to look for. They're going to look for your skills and capabilities and they're going to look for your intent and interest in the role. And a lot of our products on the pathways we try to do are making those things simpler. So maybe we'll just start with interest and interest and we'll move back to skills in a minute. A couple of things we've launched recently, and I think there are symbolic of other ways you can connect. If you go to a company”
2023-07-16 · Lenny's Podcast · LinkedIn’s product evolution and the art of building complex systems | Hari Srinivasan (LinkedIn) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Imagine that you were applying for a PM role, but that particular software is in, I don't know, automotive tech. If you happen to have worked in automotive before, have a knowledge about cars. That's a very helpful way to get in. And I think if you're able to show that, you can show an industry knowledge and understanding of it. I think it's a real nice way to think about how to position yourself against some of the other candidates.”
2023-07-16 · Lenny's Podcast · LinkedIn’s product evolution and the art of building complex systems | Hari Srinivasan (LinkedIn) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Think in every, this is probably more personal than anything in kind of data Every PM job is different, and if you have experience in that industry and you're able to kind of show that you have experience in industry or some kind of understanding of it, I think that's a way to separate. And so I'd really start zoning in on roles where you might see that kind of the, if you don't have the functional experience kind of the industry experience. And I think that that would kind of go a long way is how to help you differentiate from, yes, what's probably more candidates or more applications going in each role.”
2023-07-16 · Lenny's Podcast · LinkedIn’s product evolution and the art of building complex systems | Hari Srinivasan (LinkedIn) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“The first is in those kind of markets, you do want to make sure that the more you can do to kind of form relationships and kind of say that this is where you came, which is always helpful. Now, I know that not everyone has relationships, but you can always try to develop those at different places and across LinkedIn as well. But that's one thing I would really, really start to look for. The second thing I would really do is we have launched the way now to come in and kind of signal, obviously, that you're interested in a role. We have those open aware capabilities, but then each of job has a set of skills that they're looking for under it. Like we talked about in skills first hiring. And against each skill, you can actually add different kinds of credentials. And I would really encourage people to add work products if that's something that they're actually building, if you add different kinds of recommendations or other things that can associate with that skill. And those credentials against it, I think, are becoming much more interesting for people to say, oh, this is someone I'm actually looking for. And then the third thing I would really encourage kind of PMs to start looking through is...”
2023-07-16 · Lenny's Podcast · LinkedIn’s product evolution and the art of building complex systems | Hari Srinivasan (LinkedIn) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Maybe a couple stats that could be very helpful if you're having a hard time finding a PM role. Let's start with this. You're probably not alone. You can go to economic graph data. This is all public. We publish this. But if you look at tech, it's down about 50% year over year. And we look at kind of hires over total population of LinkedIn. You can go to our economic graphs and you can see how it compares acre's industry. And we don't look at the functional data as much, but as the PM data seems to be trending just slightly even maybe below software engineers and that as well, which is maybe a comp for this. And I know. Not everything is perfect industry to function kind of cuts. So it is a difficult place, but I'll give you a couple tips because I imagine that”
2023-07-16 · Lenny's Podcast · LinkedIn’s product evolution and the art of building complex systems | Hari Srinivasan (LinkedIn) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“The same journey that's kind of one hunch I have that it'll also be employment driven kind of way internally for people to find their next play and it'll be interesting to see how it plays out but already it's you can feel a little bit of that tension right when we launched it and kind of knowing I hope let's see how this goes”
2023-07-16 · Lenny's Podcast · LinkedIn’s product evolution and the art of building complex systems | Hari Srinivasan (LinkedIn) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Certainly still exists, but now we said you can more publicly say it, and maybe it would be a feed post. And then we kind of started launching around COVID when a lot of the stigmas of unemployment changed dramatically because everyone started understanding you're in this different situation. And we started putting the frame. And that's kind of the more iconic way I think people associate with now. It's funny, just this week we tried something new and I feel like it's almost the same journey. There are many customers, as you can imagine, have LinkedIn learning. And LinkedIn Learning is typically an enterprise product. It works across your employee base. So we're trying to do open to internal work where you can say, I'm actually at the point where I may want to explain internally in my role and an internal recruiter can see you. And as you can imagine, I would actually even maybe argue more stigma about being concerned about setting your manager and certainly there's different cultures and companies about this. And I have a feeling in, you know, sometimes we like to think five, ten years out. I think it's going to go on.”
2023-07-16 · Lenny's Podcast · LinkedIn’s product evolution and the art of building complex systems | Hari Srinivasan (LinkedIn) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Been through phases, and I think those phases really reflect on kind of perception of how it's changed. I mean, in the beginning, as you could say, you're open to work, but it was a secret signal to recruiters, if you will.”
2023-07-16 · Lenny's Podcast · LinkedIn’s product evolution and the art of building complex systems | Hari Srinivasan (LinkedIn) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“We keep a pulse on what people want and we make sure that we can kind of get that through a system at a pretty fast pace because then we will hopefully continue to be a place where people want to go look for jobs and make hires.”
2023-07-16 · Lenny's Podcast · LinkedIn’s product evolution and the art of building complex systems | Hari Srinivasan (LinkedIn) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“It's one of the things that I think is so interesting about building products today is it has to clearly be something people want. Like if we had just said we're going to go like this and every hire was like, I don't want to do this or every job seekers that this does not care about. I don't think anything would click. You also have to be receptive enough to kind of amplify that signal and allow it to work through a system so that it could actually be easy to use. And so I don't know if it was, I don't think we said that there was some, hey, we got to go and do this value-based thing. I think we started feeling it and hearing from members. And then as we adapted, these things started amplifying as they come through. I do think that's hopefully something that I think about a lot is, you know, let's just make sure that we”
2023-07-16 · Lenny's Podcast · LinkedIn’s product evolution and the art of building complex systems | Hari Srinivasan (LinkedIn) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Another one was this concept of there's a lot more people who are starting to look for jobs by values. They were saying, look, job sites work by, you know, you come in and you look for a job and a title, and that's kind of how you navigate the world. And we started realizing a lot of people wanted to come in and instead of looking at it like that, they may say, this is, look, I really want a job, this aligned my purpose, or even by an interest. I may want something in AI. And we started launching collections and the way to filter and these things. We're still doing some of that used to say. And so I think that the job market is rebalancing, but it's being done. The pathways are being done in a very different way that seems to be something that, you know, maybe a change that holds through these ups and downs. And I'll be very interested to see.”
2023-07-16 · Lenny's Podcast · LinkedIn’s product evolution and the art of building complex systems | Hari Srinivasan (LinkedIn) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“47% of our recruiters will come in explicitly use skills when they start looking for candidates. And that's a pretty big change that we're actually seeing hold. So it's not like people are starting to, you know, I know it's early in some of these changes, but it's a change where I think people are still continuing to start looking at skills.”
2023-07-16 · Lenny's Podcast · LinkedIn’s product evolution and the art of building complex systems | Hari Srinivasan (LinkedIn) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“We started seeing in our data as you had some areas like maybe hospitality was really getting hit, but some areas like customer service that just couldn't hire enough. And you'd think the marketplace would balance pretty quickly. You think, okay, like, you know, maybe people will start moving to other jobs, but it wasn't happening. And a large reason behind is people are used to looking for certain particular titles. And they didn't start realizing other people could do this job. So we made a pretty big push in something we call skills first hiring. This was the idea that we could translates people's experiences into a set of skills. And by that, we could help them really start balancing the marketplace with a much different system, right? Instead of saying, I need to have this talent, you can say I need someone who can do negotiation and I need someone who can really help me kind of understand how to de-escalate a customer situation. And you find a lot of people in hospitality have about 70% of the skills need for customer service. And of course, you could train off the rest. And so we started seeing the skills first hiring really start taking off. And at this point, roughly.”
2023-07-16 · Lenny's Podcast · LinkedIn’s product evolution and the art of building complex systems | Hari Srinivasan (LinkedIn) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Yeah. Well, first of all, the balance that you're talking about, it is shifting in the sense that there are more seekers in the marketplace now and there are fewer open jobs in the marketplace. And of course, that changes how many applications you get for the job and how you have to look through. I think there's a model where people think it's shifting dramatically to exactly the way it was. And I actually think some of the changes that occurred during the last couple years are actually sticking around. And so let me give you a couple examples of where things I think are really changing. So the first thing that happened was, and maybe in my opinion, one of the big changes the world that no one's really kind of talking about it, to my degree is the impact of it. But there's been a real move to skills-based hiring. So for the longest time, and I'll give you actually a really concrete example, it was like March 2020 and we were just watching COVID hit. And it was just this heartbreaking kind of moment wherein the feed. You were seeing all these people by no fault of their own starting to post that they've lost their job.”
2023-07-16 · Lenny's Podcast · LinkedIn’s product evolution and the art of building complex systems | Hari Srinivasan (LinkedIn) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“It's very much one model that we sometimes use internally as well is how do we operate as marketplaces inside an ecosystem. And I think it's, it kind of speaks to the complexity again of the product and hopefully somehow how we might operate it.”
2023-07-16 · Lenny's Podcast · LinkedIn’s product evolution and the art of building complex systems | Hari Srinivasan (LinkedIn) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“A team working on jobs, which is if you ever post a job on LinkedIn, and then a team working to always help job seekers make sure they connect. And then on the other side for learners and instructors, a team working on LinkedIn Learning, which is one of the bigger enterprise learning products in the world, and then a team working to help instructors. And many people don't know this. We actually have two large film studios. So we bring in instructors. We film a lot of content. We have one's in Europe and one's in Santa Barbara. It was all through, started with the Linda acquisition. And so we have a large team of content creators and teams that everyone from makeup artist to script writers that we get to use over there.”
2023-07-16 · Lenny's Podcast · LinkedIn’s product evolution and the art of building complex systems | Hari Srinivasan (LinkedIn) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“So, again, we really think about it as a marketplace. We're generally organized around seekers and hires. And so there's the team that's kind of working on recruiter, which is probably one of the more kind of flagship products that LinkedIn has always been around.”
2023-07-16 · Lenny's Podcast · LinkedIn’s product evolution and the art of building complex systems | Hari Srinivasan (LinkedIn) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“We think about it as two different marketplaces. There's a hiring marketplace, which is how do we connect job seekers and recruiters and hiring managers? And then there's a learning marketplace, which is how do you connect learners to instructors?”
2023-07-16 · Lenny's Podcast · LinkedIn’s product evolution and the art of building complex systems | Hari Srinivasan (LinkedIn) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Together in order to give people opportunity. And so we sometimes think of it from the outset as very different things. But inside, even the way we operate and the way we think about it, it's a very, very connected ecosystem.”
2023-07-16 · Lenny's Podcast · LinkedIn’s product evolution and the art of building complex systems | Hari Srinivasan (LinkedIn) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I would not say that. But again, we joke about those things and it's so hard at LinkedIn to separate one product from the other. It's really kind of the way we run. It's the way we think about the product. It's really the way we build. Let me just give you like a super concrete example of that. Certainly, if you have someone coming in and looking at the feed, one thing we might do is suggest a job recommendation based on what they're looking for in that feed. And so part of what we have to do is think about how someone who's looking at something in their interest might be driving their job-seeking experience as well. And then when they're looking for a job, it's very important that they know how they can actually get connected in that job. So the relationships of a network you build are very much part of that flywheel that go into it. And then even as we start looking at this, you might be looking at a subject and then you want to go deeper on. And there's a course that comes into it as well, right? And so all of this to me is a very, very connected ecosystem on how those items work.”
2023-07-16 · Lenny's Podcast · LinkedIn’s product evolution and the art of building complex systems | Hari Srinivasan (LinkedIn) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“It is a very big business between LinkedIn, and it's certainly hopefully something that, again, if you go back to that vision of connecting people opportunity, it's certainly something that I like to think is at very, very core to that, how people get jobs and learn skills.”
2023-07-16 · Lenny's Podcast · LinkedIn’s product evolution and the art of building complex systems | Hari Srinivasan (LinkedIn) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Yeah, so it's basically any product on LinkedIn that helps you get a job or learn a skill. And we have products for recruiters and hires jobs. We have products for job seekers, products. We have LinkedIn learning. And then certainly we run a pretty large creator ecosystem for instructors who post content into LinkedIn.”
2023-07-16 · Lenny's Podcast · LinkedIn’s product evolution and the art of building complex systems | Hari Srinivasan (LinkedIn) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“That actually makes me happy. I mean, my guess is what you want to be doing is learning and creating and not spending a lot of time kind of managing that. And so maybe that's actually a good thing. And it's actually another wonderful thing to hear.”
2023-07-16 · Lenny's Podcast · LinkedIn’s product evolution and the art of building complex systems | Hari Srinivasan (LinkedIn) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“There's anything with knowledge or advice, I think that's what a lot of people are looking for every time we run these surveys, every time we talk to people on what they want. Those are the things that really when you connect opportunity that people kind of seek after in our system. And you're a great example of that, right? You're able to give knowledge and advice in an area with a lot of depth. And I think that maybe that's why you're having some of the success you're seeing on the platform, which is wonderful to see.”
2023-07-16 · Lenny's Podcast · LinkedIn’s product evolution and the art of building complex systems | Hari Srinivasan (LinkedIn) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“There's a couple things that I think are very special that we're working on, and it's hard to say which is most because a lot of these things obviously accumulate and compound over time. But certainly there's a lot of machine learning and algorithms that go behind these systems. And many of them, as we start understanding, these are things that people get value by, it's about how do we make sure that we're giving people that interesting knowledge. And as we've gotten CRISPR on what that means, I think we've been better able to build towards it. The other one, which is new, but I'm just particularly excited about, we're starting to do a lot of things which are Gen AI assisted, right? So you basically can come in and get some prompts and people can bribe their perspective on that. And I think that combination, it's very early, but it's very exciting on how we might be able to help people unlock knowledge or some of them billion people now on the platform. Knowledge of those billion people in a way that people can find and see”
2023-07-16 · Lenny's Podcast · LinkedIn’s product evolution and the art of building complex systems | Hari Srinivasan (LinkedIn) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“There's always been a focus on connecting people opportunity, right? There's always been a focus on that. And I think what's happened over time is we've gotten more and more clear with what our members really want, which is this ability to feel close to those relationships and the ability to really get that knowledge that they need. And as we've gotten better and kind of clear in that understanding, and we've been able to dial the knobs in the right way, I hope it's landing in the right place. I'm always kind of, I don't think it's any place near declaring victory in any of our part of this product. I think one of the beauty of working with that vision of connecting people opportunity, there is always some peace of friction. There is always something we could be doing better. And so I'm always hesitant to say, you know, we've ever hit that bar. And I know there's probably people who listen to you who probably maybe not have not had that experience. And I always encourage you to kind of reach out and let us know ways we can do better. But I'm glad you're having experience with it. And to your point, I always feel that as long as we stay focused on that, each of our decisions start moving in that direction. Hopefully the product will continue to deliver.”
2023-07-16 · Lenny's Podcast · LinkedIn’s product evolution and the art of building complex systems | Hari Srinivasan (LinkedIn) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Been really, really trying to make sure that we don't lose sight of that and start tuning all those knobs into that direction.”
2023-07-16 · Lenny's Podcast · LinkedIn’s product evolution and the art of building complex systems | Hari Srinivasan (LinkedIn) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“And we were just talking about this. And one of the things he mentioned to me was, if you think about what a feed is when a connects someone opportunity, it's got to do a couple things really, really well. And we've done a ton of member surveys on this, a ton of thought behind it. The first is as you make relationship connections across the way, that is a real way by which people get opportunity. They keep in touch with those people. They learn. They might follow someone in hopes and getting known to them and getting that knowledge. And we got to make sure that that content is getting to them. Then when you think outside the network, we have to make sure that the things that people really want, which they keep saying or knowledge and advice and ability to get the real perspectives they need to get there, those are the things out of network they want. And we've really, really been focused on driving those two systems, right? How does someone connect opportunity both through the people and through the content that they actually want? And as you know, when you do a feed, there's so many decisions that go into that complex system, so many decisions.”
2023-07-16 · Lenny's Podcast · LinkedIn’s product evolution and the art of building complex systems | Hari Srinivasan (LinkedIn) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“First, I'm glad you're having a good experience with it, and that's really, really kind to hear. So, first of all, it's very interesting you kind of hit on it. Everything at LinkedIn is a very connected ecosystem. And so one of the things that we always think about is how the whole system fits together. And I'm sure we'll get into it more and more about how we build at LinkedIn, but how you make decisions based on that very complicated ecosystem is actually not very difficult because we're all here to help people connect economic opportunity. Like every time there's a discussion, something I'm really, really proud about working here is everyone knows how that decision is going to be made. And it's all about how we're connecting people economic opportunity. Now, it was funny just the other day, I was driving, I was in an Uber with the person runs a feed.”
2023-07-16 · Lenny's Podcast · LinkedIn’s product evolution and the art of building complex systems | Hari Srinivasan (LinkedIn) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I felt very honored. Again, I really have followed your work for a while. It's been really amazing to see what you've built, and I'm a huge fan of different builders. And also it was a little bit of an honor that someone I know we're going to get into the story in a little bit. But that's, you know, when you work on something oftentimes like jobs and learning, it's rare, I think, that it's in the influencer conversation, right? It's not necessarily something you or other people are probably experiencing on day-to-day. So sometimes I don't know if we get to tell some of these stories and I really appreciate you reaching out for that.”
2023-07-16 · Lenny's Podcast · LinkedIn’s product evolution and the art of building complex systems | Hari Srinivasan (LinkedIn) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Was March 2020, and we were just watching COVID hit, and it was just this heartbreaking kind of moment where in the feed, you were seeing all these people by no fault of their own starting to post that they've lost their job. We started seeing in our data as you had some areas like maybe hospitality was really getting hit, but some areas like customer service that just couldn't hire enough. And you'd think the marketplace would balance pretty quickly. You'd think, okay, like, you know, maybe people will start moving to other jobs, but it wasn't happening. And a large reason behind this people are used to looking for certain particular titles. And they didn't start realizing other people could do this job. So we made a pretty big push in something we call skills first hiring. This was the idea that we could translate people's experiences into a set of skills. And by that, we could help them really start balancing the marketplace with a much different system, right? And so I think that the job market is rebalancing, but it's being done. The pathways are being done in a very different way that seems to be maybe a change that holds through these ups and downs. And I'll be very interested to see.”
2023-07-16 · Lenny's Podcast · LinkedIn’s product evolution and the art of building complex systems | Hari Srinivasan (LinkedIn) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source