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Heather McGhee

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first: 2019-12-30
most recent: 2019-12-30
sittings or episodes: 1
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“Absolutely Thank you, David. Look forward to the book. Look forward to see what you do next. Thank you, David. Thank you so much.”
2019-12-30 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 362 — Heather McGhee · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Make democracy real, right? They make something that is a big experiment, right? The idea that a multiracial democracy, that people with ties to every community on the globe can sit in a commons and decide together what their future should be I think this generation is going to be the one to make it real, to make America live up to her ideals in a way that is open to the world and that helps save the world for real. I mean, that's the mythology we were raised with. And I do believe this generation is going to do it”
2019-12-30 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 362 — Heather McGhee · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I am. You know, I don't think you can be the descendant of people who were enslaved and not be hopeful on some fundamental level. It'd be a betrayal of them. That's all they had. And they won. I think we can write a story where the most diverse generation in American history, right, the young people today, reignite the sense of They take a land of ancestral strangers and reveal common humanity that they fight for each other and fight for their planet, right? I mean, this is, you know, fundamental, a fundamental fight that will be the defining fight of today's young generation. And that in so doing, they”
2019-12-30 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 362 — Heather McGhee · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“That will be coming out after the election. Yeah. And it doesn't have a title yet, but it's about the way that racism leads to bad outcomes for all of us and the costs of racism to us all.”
2019-12-30 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 362 — Heather McGhee · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“That's right. So I have so much respect for people who do it. Right now, it's clear to me that I have another role to play that is a little bit actually. I want to be able to speak about issues of race and who we are as a people in a way that is not partisan, a way that is inflected with values, but is not partisan. And, you know, I'm only 39, so I've got time to do other things, but right now... Right now, I'm not running for office, but I respect people who do, I haven't ruled it out. I haven't lived my life like someone who's running for office all the time, I'll say that.”
2019-12-30 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 362 — Heather McGhee · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“So, I have so much respect for people who throw their hat in the ring. It is ugly. As I was saying, I've known Elizabeth Warren for... Since I was 23, and I, you know, I care about her, and I think she's a real, I see her as a real human being. And I, you know, part of me, like, I don't think this country deserves her. And I think, you know, the way she's been treated, you know, the way everybody, I mean, anyone who's close to a politician.”
2019-12-30 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 362 — Heather McGhee · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Weird moment of planetary crisis. And that's something that your students here at UCO are so clear about. And the disgust that they have for people who are not rising to this moment, it's palpable. It drips off them. And so, you know, we've talked about it a lot, Ray, about race. We haven't talked about generations a lot, but I do think that young people, even young Republicans are way more progressive on climate change than their elders. Young people as a voting bloc, as a sort of political worldview is really real. You can't have the cascading failures of the financial crisis, the Iraq war, the failure to act on climate change. It is profound. Yeah.”
2019-12-30 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 362 — Heather McGhee · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Because I was thinking about my son. I was thinking about my son. I was thinking about the fact that, you know. I had been reading this report saying that there wouldn't be any coral reefs on the planet left in 20 years. In 20 years, it's like the Clinton impeachment. 20 years is things that feels like yes.”
2019-12-30 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 362 — Heather McGhee · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“It absolutely does. I was, my son was a little over a month when the UN climate report came out in 2018 that basically said we have a dozen years to move. And it was devastating. And a couple months after that, I was on Meet the Press and there was a debate about sort of the sunrise movement and the Green New Deal versus Feinstein. There had been this video of a confrontation and I ended up defending the youth activists with sunrise and saying basically we can't talk about a solution that's too aspirational. It's the planet. And I choked up a little. And that is not something you can do and meet the press. No, no, this was.”
2019-12-30 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 362 — Heather McGhee · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“He's won. He's amazing. It has made me more efficient in my time because I don't want to spend all night, you know. Hanging out, chit chatting. I want to get back to him. It's made me ferocious about the future. It's made me...”
2019-12-30 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 362 — Heather McGhee · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“And that I wanted to focus full time on it. I also had a kid, but I made the decision to leave before I got pregnant with my son.”
2019-12-30 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 362 — Heather McGhee · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Relevant and salient, that kind of was the thing, right? Everybody was talking about inequality. You had Clinton who represented the center of the party, was the one adopting debt-free college from our research. And it felt like there was some other work that still needed to be done. If I looked over the horizon, it was really not about the economic policy ideas that a lot of people at that point were handling well, including Deimos, but about this fundamental question of who are we as a Demos, who are we as a people, can we have a shared story around race? Can we heal? Can we move forward? Can there be voices in the media that are uniting, that are telling the truth, but still inviting people in? And it felt to me like that was actually work that I didn't have time to do when I was running at that point, $13 million a year organization.”
2019-12-30 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 362 — Heather McGhee · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“What I leave? So I left because I'd been there, I'd been at Deimos since I was 22. And I was, you know, when I was 37, I decided I'd been quite a long time. The transformation of the organization into a more race forward movement connected think tank I felt was pretty complete and it was clear kind of what we were doing in the world and it could attract a leader who had a similar vision and an incredible young man named Kaysabil Rahman who runs it today. But I also felt like There had been a shift in the political wind so that the big solutions on inequality that we were fighting to make relevant, right? I mean, that was, that sort of was our thing, was we were pushing to make big ideas.”
2019-12-30 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 362 — Heather McGhee · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Have this policy agenda that helps open up the doors to democracy for working and middle class people and people of color, it'll give you more power to pass the minimum wage hike you want, to pass childcare. And so let us help you with this democracy reform. Let us do messaging work with you. Let us have our litigators sue to make sure that the polls are open to you. We just really became more of a think tank for the movement and I found that very satisfying. Right.”
2019-12-30 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 362 — Heather McGhee · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Where those inequalities are built. I loved running an organization and learning and fighting in the trenches. We became more connected to grassroots organizations. You can be a think tank and there's a model of a think tank where you do a research report and you talk to the media about it and that's it. And we had done that for a while and I really wanted us to be the kind of organization that did that, but then also decided which issues to research based on listening to grassroots organizations. And did research that would be helpful to them in building power and had deep relationships with grassroots organizations in a state and said to those organizations, you know what?”
2019-12-30 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 362 — Heather McGhee · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“So I was president of Deimos for four years. We nearly doubled in size. The organization went from being 75% white when I took over. I was the only person of color on the executive team when I became president to when I left as a majority person of color think tank, with a majority of people of color and leadership. And we I think grew just not just in budget and a number of staff and in diversity, but we grew in terms of our prominence and our ability to really be focused on the big policy solutions. We moved the idea of debt-free college into the center of the public debate. We, you know, won nearly a dozen pro-democracy reforms at the state level. We had this analysis that's still there today about the connection between inequality and our democracy and inequality in our economy and how they're on a mutually reinforcing cycle and how race is often the scaffold.”
2019-12-30 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 362 — Heather McGhee · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Could think of a million reasons why Was going to be too big a job for me. This is something that we hear in politics about women all the time. In the end, my colleagues, most of them women, ended up convincing me to do it. The woman who hired me originally, Tamra Drout, who at that point was a VP with me, vice president with me, you know, wrote a memo about why I should do it. And I also realized that I just loved the organization so much. And I didn't want to. Know, leave it to anybody else's hands, and I knew I could build a team, and I was 33 years old, right? This is a national think tank, but I felt like my love for it, my understanding of it, my commitment to the mission would prevail. So I finally said yes. And then, of course, the board had to actually, you know, do a selection process.”
2019-12-30 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 362 — Heather McGhee · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Not once, not twice. You turn down this opportunity. Why? I was curious about that. Yeah, you know, I am, so my predecessor, Miles Rappaport, wonderful guy, former Secretary of State of Connecticut, former state legislator, you know, had run the organization for at that point 14, 15 years. I didn't see myself, right? I mean, you know, this is a white middle-aged guy who had run the organization taking over for another white middle-aged guy who had founded it. I didn't seat myself in the leadership.”
2019-12-30 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 362 — Heather McGhee · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“And I would have personally done things differently. You know, I would have fought harder to stem the foreclosure crisis because even though, you know, sort of clearing the books ended up being good for banks, it didn't end up, you know, we have a home ownership rate that hasn't recovered and black wealth, black home ownership is today what it was before the Fair Housing Act, right? We just lost the entire civil rights movement's gains and home ownership. And that happened on the watch of our first black president, which is so unfair.”
2019-12-30 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 362 — Heather McGhee · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Yeah, I think that fundamentally, I'm not going to try to get anybody's head about kind of what the motives were, but from what I saw from sitting at tables across from Treasury officials in 2009 and 2010, they wanted to preserve the system because the system was collapsing and the system might not be okay even after the bailouts. But of course the system that they wanted to preserve was one that had these fundamental imbalances and that people in leadership had made terrible predatory irresponsible choices.”
2019-12-30 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 362 — Heather McGhee · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“An entirely different bent desire to seem like a populist in rallies, but give the keys over to corporate polluters and corporate cheaters in the shadows. And there's so much damage that's been done that people are not even paying attention to”
2019-12-30 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 362 — Heather McGhee · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Shape the implementation. They knew that it was all going to be in the regulations and that they could outlast us, basically, in terms of advocates. This statistic was true at the time of the bill signing. I'm sure it's even worse today, but during the fight to pass Dodd-Frank. The anti reform industry lobbyists spent per day what the pro reform coalition Americans for Financial Reform spent during the entire fight. I mean, we're just completely outgunned and we are even more so today.”
2019-12-30 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 362 — Heather McGhee · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Tapped into it was never really the focus of the big political conversation. I think it tapped into a populist feeling that made it actually hard for moderate Democrats and Republicans to fight it openly. So I think that's why it survived. The one lesson for me is that after the bill was passed and signed, that's when the”
2019-12-30 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 362 — Heather McGhee · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“That's right. It was sort of an idea of not quite Glass Eagle, but basically saying you shouldn't have banks using consumer deposits to gamble and do proprietary trading. So I think the bill...”
2019-12-30 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 362 — Heather McGhee · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Should talk about it. I think Dodd-Frank was the victim of I am still shocked that it passed, right, that Some of the tougher measures actually got tougher, right? Paul Volcker just passed away”
2019-12-30 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 362 — Heather McGhee · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Yeah. And she went on to go set it up. That's actually something I think people don't kind of pay enough attention to, that she's had an experience, like standing up an entire government agency from whole cloth. That has been wildly.”
2019-12-30 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 362 — Heather McGhee · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Yeah, ordinary people's savings and stopping the abuses. It was just a genius idea and the president Obama saw the vision right away, I think, and fought to keep it strong.”
2019-12-30 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 362 — Heather McGhee · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“2010 after the crisis exactly. So there were parts of that law that were strong from the beginning and only got stronger. Elizabeth Warren's vision of an agency that would only be focused on protecting ordinary people. Consumer financial.”
2019-12-30 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 362 — Heather McGhee · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Yeah, yeah, it was. Although I do say, and I did to students at UChicago who came to my office hours here on campus, I do say if you don't want to be a lawyer, probably not worth it to go into debt to go to law school. It's no longer kind of, you know, this is just a great door opening degree. I think it's too expensive. I'm still paying off my law student debt.”
2019-12-30 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 362 — Heather McGhee · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Yes, and I did. I went to law school. I actually took a year off of law school in order to work doing domestic policy on the Edwards campaign. I went to Berkeley. I never ended up practicing law. I ended up helping write legislation, the Dodd-Frank Act.”
2019-12-30 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 362 — Heather McGhee · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“In 2008, really because in 2004 he had relied on Deimos' work on debt, you know, the predatory lenders and the payday lenders were part of the One America speech, the original One America speech. He got it. He got it in a way that was”
2019-12-30 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 362 — Heather McGhee · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I have not formally endorsed her, but I think a lot of people will hear that and they'll take it as a hint. I think I will soon. And you did work.”
2019-12-30 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 362 — Heather McGhee · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“You know, I did think she has an uncanny political talent and she's right. And she, like many of us consumer advocates, you know, saw the financial crash coming. It's the defining fight of my career, which was trying basically to stop the financial crisis from happening, trying to stop the subprime mortgage crisis back when it was just basically affecting black and brown neighborhoods. And that combination of greed and discrimination created something that couldn't be contained or wouldn't be contained. So I've always been a huge Elizabeth Warren fan. I think she has an incredible amount of warmth and integrity.”
2019-12-30 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 362 — Heather McGhee · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Yeah, and so we were in all the same press, right? They were talking about this think tank report and this book. And so, you know, we called her up and she was a Harvard law professor and I read everything she'd written and I was like, this woman is fascinating and brilliant. The then head of Demos, Miles Rappaport, ended up asking her to join the board. And she said, you know, my daughter, her co-author on the Tuin Come trap, actually is someone who knows a lot about running organizations. That's what she does. She's an organizational consultant. And she would be great for the board. That was in 2005, maybe 2006. And Elizabeth Warren, professor then and Deimos were in the trenches together trying to fight the bankruptcy bill of 2005, the credit card companies wrote to make it harder for people.”
2019-12-30 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 362 — Heather McGhee · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Because Decades and decades. Yeah, that's how we met. I met Elizabeth Warren in 2003. We at Deimos issued a report on the growth of credit card debt called Borrowing to Make Ends Meet, which was making the argument for the first time, you know, in economic policy circles that we were facing an unsustainable crisis of borrowing to deal with economic inequality and security that came out the same week that the two income trap came out, which was her borrowing.”
2019-12-30 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 362 — Heather McGhee · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Let's see, it was right after the recession of 2001. I spent six or maybe nine months in Hollywood. I could barely get arrested. I got like an assistant to an assistant job. And also, you know, I just, the pull of directly trying to make the company better work. You want to be a character in.”
2019-12-30 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 362 — Heather McGhee · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Yeah, yeah, that's right. My dad, you know, was a graphic designer and photographer. My brother is a dancer. And I was a theater nerd all growing up. And so I did have this, you know, should I, you know, in the West Wing had been on during college, right? I was like, oh man, you know, what if I could shape the way Americans think and get them to be kinder to each other the way Norman Lear did? You know, what if I could be like the black woman Norman Lear? And what happened with that?”
2019-12-30 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 362 — Heather McGhee · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“And then I went to Deimos. Well, then you went to Kimos. Yeah, I managed to get an entry level job at Deimos. I was swimming in credit card debt personally and student debt. And I found an organization that at that point was two years old that had an economic program that was making its first hire other than the director, Tamrid. And the big issue they wanted to work on was the issue of debt and why it was that the credit card companies were abusing customers and why it was that credit card debt had tripled over the course of the 1990s and I just was like, this is a fascinating opportunity and I was hired in an entry-level position.”
2019-12-30 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 362 — Heather McGhee · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Yeah, that's right. You know, why is it that Joe Biden is still leading nationally without too much of a populist message, although I think the Biden campaign would say, you know, we're the original kind of.”
2019-12-30 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 362 — Heather McGhee · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Right. I was about to say, if you combine them, I mean, I think it's fascinating, right? I mean, you know, David, the big reason why that we used to talk about structurally that message not being the message of the Democratic Party was that the money wasn't there, right? You can't say I'm going to not have any fundraisers with rich people and fund a competitive campaign. Warren and Sanders have each been putting up enormous numbers of grassroots donations. And that's a sea change in how the Democratic Party is going to organize itself. So, I think between the two of them, you've got $50 million a quarter of average whatever, 20, $10 donations. So, yes, this is what I want the Democratic Party to be.”
2019-12-30 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 362 — Heather McGhee · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Think it's incredibly resonant with the Democratic Party voters and furthermore, I think it's resonant with swing voters. And I think it's resonant with people who are looking for an economic story to explain what's happened over the past 40 years and to explain why the rich keep getting richer and the cost for everything that we need keep going up. I haven't heard some I haven't heard any pollster look at focus groups and dial tests and say populism isn't winning economic message.”
2019-12-30 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 362 — Heather McGhee · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“To have avoided the financial crisis that made it harder for us to fund our future. And it's not actually their people. They're like actual people that you can name who organize themselves politically, who have an agenda and are winning and are kicking our butts, right? You know, if you look at the tax package that was passed, I mean, that was a handful of people's big dream and big vision. And they organized politically to make sure that one party was going to absolutely toe the line no matter what it did to our fiscal future, no matter what it did to deficits and debt. And, you know, that's political organizing by people. And so should we call that out? Absolutely.”
2019-12-30 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 362 — Heather McGhee · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I think so. I mean, I think if there was a pollster here, not just someone who's worked with pollsters, you know, they would say that that message continues, you know, not that racially inflected one, which is something that we did, but they would say that. People of all kind of ideological stripes have a fundamentally populist understanding of the world. That's how Donald Trump was able to upend the Republican Party with a pretty populist message. That was his closing argument was tying racism to an indictment of the global elite. That said, When we look at the big issues of our time, it's not all wealthy people, but there are wealthy people whose financial self-interest has driven them to change the economic rules to make that make it harder for us to stop climate change, that make it harder for us to, you know,”
2019-12-30 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 362 — Heather McGhee · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“In the foundation world, yeah, progressive wealthy, well connected people. Yeah, right. Yeah, which is the minority, yeah.”
2019-12-30 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 362 — Heather McGhee · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Telling us to point the finger at brown people, at immigrants, at poor people, so that we ignore what they're doing, which is rigging the rules and lining their own pockets. And only if we come together across racial lines can we build a movement that'll take power back for working people.”
2019-12-30 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 362 — Heather McGhee · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“That's right. It was very similar types of people, and in some cases similar same people using an immigrant scapegoating message to get Britons to vote for something that would cause them a lot of economic pain, certainly in the short term. So what we discovered was you have to talk about race, but specifically talk about who is using race to divide us, to divide people who are ultimately in a similar boat, as Jesse Jackson said. And so what we discovered was you have to call out, and in the Trump era, it's very obvious. You have to call out the fact that we all want the same things, but the wealthy and the well-connected and the politicians that they pay for are”
2019-12-30 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 362 — Heather McGhee · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Right. And I think that colorblindness narrative is insufficient today because Everybody knows that everybody's not the same color, right? I mean, everybody, you know, immigration is a huge flashpoint on these racial issues. You have Black Lives Matter totally changed the conversation. By the way, you know,”
2019-12-30 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 362 — Heather McGhee · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Of course. Yeah, I mean, I think it's old, right? I mean, this is Nixon stuff, you know, Johnson talked about this, right? But I think it It accelerated and it grew into a bigger common sense with the unhappy happenstance of Fox News becoming powerful and Obama being president for eight years right after a financial crisis where we didn't do enough to save people's homes and we didn't do enough to make sure that someone was held accountable. So race is really loud in the room and so progressives don't win by ignoring race, which is what we try to do. Try to say, hey, if we can just do an economic populism, white people will be like, yeah, it's the politocrat's fault, not, you know.”
2019-12-30 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 362 — Heather McGhee · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“You know, the populist story, the progressive story is it's the people who are wealthy and powerful enough to be setting the rules, right? There's those factories didn't just close, right? People, multinational corporations closed them and opened them other places, etc. for whatever it is. The Wall Street firms didn't just get bailouts. They needed them because they cheated and they crashed the economy. Now particularly race is so loud in the conversation because of what's happened on the right and Trump is, you know, the manifestation of it. He sort of played to an audience. I think that was created much earlier in the right wing media.”
2019-12-30 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 362 — Heather McGhee · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“And so on. Well, we at Demos and Demos Action are political arm. We wanted to go straight to this question. How do you create a multiracial working and middle class coalition? What is the story that allows you to talk to someone who lost a black man who lost his job in Gary, Indiana 30 years ago and a white woman who lost her job on the line in a rural part of Oklahoma five years ago or three years ago? And what we discovered, and this was a project with Anot Shankar Sorio, who's a wonderful linguist and Ian Haney Lopez, who's a law professor at Berkeley, the author of dog whistle politics, was that the story about the economy that we tell needs to have a villain, right? You can't actually say this is the economies like the weather and this is just sort of happening. So we know that.”
2019-12-30 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 362 — Heather McGhee · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source