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Helen Clark

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“Well, look, the election will likely be in a year November next year, anything can happen a year. New letters of the opposition is obviously doing much better than the predecessor. So depend whether the government can get his measure and land a few blows.”
2022-12-02 · The Rest Is Politics · 81. Ex-New Zealand PM Helen Clark on monarchy, extreme poverty, and Jacinda Ardern · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“But of course, in 2021, the team of 5 million started to fracture a bit, particularly when the entire metropolitan Auckland and most of the region to the south, one and a half million of the five million population, was locked down for four months. And people get grumpy. They get grumpy. And then the diaspora got very grumpy because they couldn't come home for Christmas. There weren't many places in quarantine. That went for two years. And now, of course, all the spillover impacts of the war in Ukraine on everybody's food prices and the fuel prices. So the electorate's grumpy at the moment.”
2022-12-02 · The Rest Is Politics · 81. Ex-New Zealand PM Helen Clark on monarchy, extreme poverty, and Jacinda Ardern · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I think it's a hard time anywhere to be in government because you're copying the compounding impacts of all these crises. COVID, the government's response in the first year, people went into Christmas in 2020. There was no COVID in the country. We felt pretty proud of ourselves really that the team of 5 million pulled together.”
2022-12-02 · The Rest Is Politics · 81. Ex-New Zealand PM Helen Clark on monarchy, extreme poverty, and Jacinda Ardern · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Young women politicians or people who'd like to become politicians say you've got to realise no one is going to lay out the red carpet for you or open the door. You have to lay the carpet yourself and kick the door open, right? You have to have the resilience to stick with it. And if you stick with it, it will be a very rewarding profession. I also say if you don't like people much and if you're not very tolerant of people in all their foibles, don't go into politics because it's about people. And people, of course, can be quite irritating sometimes, but they can also be wonderful and you learn a lot from direct engagement with the public and taking up the concerns of constituents and taking up issues. So my advice is be resilient. There are a lot of knocks in politics, a lot of knocks that the media can be very unpleasant, but it will be a very rewarding career if you stick with it.”
2022-12-02 · The Rest Is Politics · 81. Ex-New Zealand PM Helen Clark on monarchy, extreme poverty, and Jacinda Ardern · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Well, you know, I started life as an opposition backbencher, and I say there's no lower form of life in the political system than an opposition backbencher. Even the messengers don't bother to learn your name. And then after three years, I was a government backbencher. That wasn't much, much better. So my advice to young people is don't expect instant success. I often say when speaking to”
2022-12-02 · The Rest Is Politics · 81. Ex-New Zealand PM Helen Clark on monarchy, extreme poverty, and Jacinda Ardern · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Declared the public health emergency of international concern on 30 January, most countries did three parts of nothing in February, and that's when the pandemic accelerated.”
2022-12-02 · The Rest Is Politics · 81. Ex-New Zealand PM Helen Clark on monarchy, extreme poverty, and Jacinda Ardern · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Populous environment that Roy's talking. So, what our finding was in effect was that the WHO didn't let the world down. The world let down WHO. The international health regulations are not fit for purpose. They don't facilitate, well, they don't give the WHO the right of access to the site of an outbreak. This needs to be immediate. This needs to be in the international health regulations. Isn't it a crazy world where in the middle of a war, the International Atomic Energy Agency has the right of access to nuclear power plants under attack, and the WHO can't go to Wuhan? Come on. I mean, this has to happen. Secondly, A being denied access. B, the WHO has no right under the international health regulations to publish information that it has, to call the world's attention. It has to get the permission of a country. When you're dealing with a very opaque country, this isn't so easy to get. So our conclusion was that January was a lost month because the international health regulations did not facilitate the job of the WHO. But even when the WHO...”
2022-12-02 · The Rest Is Politics · 81. Ex-New Zealand PM Helen Clark on monarchy, extreme poverty, and Jacinda Ardern · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Likely, the Security Council, the permanent five, if you've got a vote, no one votes for it, no Turkey votes for an early Christmas, I guess. I mean, it will be expanded at some point, but that's also a tough discussion. But I don't think that's the real issue. I think the real issue now...”
2022-12-02 · The Rest Is Politics · 81. Ex-New Zealand PM Helen Clark on monarchy, extreme poverty, and Jacinda Ardern · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Well, I think it's hard hats on. I chaired a discussion on this at a kind of discrete leadership meeting recently and a former Deputy Secretary General of the UN reminded us that the UN kind of made it through decades of Cold War and still provided a forum, a stage for people to state their positions and cooperate where they could. So I think the question is whether we can reach a kind of, I don't want to say an equilibrium because it's not the point I want to make, but at least where we can, on the issues where we have to work together, do that even though we retain quite significant differences on a values point of view of invasions of other people's territory and so on. So hard hats on, I think. I don't think structural change is terribly likely.”
2022-12-02 · The Rest Is Politics · 81. Ex-New Zealand PM Helen Clark on monarchy, extreme poverty, and Jacinda Ardern · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“And focus now, you know, at the height of this devastating war in Ukraine, Russia's clearly on another journey. I think the China relationship becomes extremely important. And I'm quite encouraged by the talks highly choreographed but sending important messages that President Biden and President Xi could talk constructively around a range of issues. We need to really focus on what needs our joint attention and pack in behind that and use the multilateral system to advance discussions and negotiations where it really matters.”
2022-12-02 · The Rest Is Politics · 81. Ex-New Zealand PM Helen Clark on monarchy, extreme poverty, and Jacinda Ardern · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“What one would hope is that you could get back at least to a situation. Where, despite the significant geopolitical tensions, you could have countries cooperating on what a shared interests, like a better pandemic preparedness response system, like an effective response to the great challenge of climate change, like getting a decent new treaty around the ocean areas that are beyond borders and national jurisdictions, we have a range of shared interests. Let's remember that in 2020 the world celebrated the 40th anniversary of the eradication of smallpox. That was achieved during a Cold War. People were able to come together.”
2022-12-02 · The Rest Is Politics · 81. Ex-New Zealand PM Helen Clark on monarchy, extreme poverty, and Jacinda Ardern · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I think so, but I think we need to be very, very focused. Let's face it, even before COVID we were off track on all these goals. And there were reports coming out of a range of the development think tanks saying that by 2030 we were still likely to have at least 6% in extreme poverty, which is quite a significant number. So I think we need to refocus on where the challenges are. focus the support, attention, opening up the fiscal space, supporting the governance capacity in the countries where the greatest challenges are. And I think the UK under both governments, both sides of the line, was very focused on the least developed and low-income countries. That's where the focus needs to be. And as I say, put more focus now on Climate resilient agriculture for the smallholders.”
2022-12-02 · The Rest Is Politics · 81. Ex-New Zealand PM Helen Clark on monarchy, extreme poverty, and Jacinda Ardern · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Developing countries become emerging economies, this opens up markets for goods and services. There's the argument that development and prosperity also most cases will bring with it greater cohesion and peace in a country. So it's not going to lapse into civil war and conflict and cause problems for its neighbours and the world. There's the argument that if countries are healthy and capacitated and can have a decent health system and other administrative apparatus in place, the chances are if you get a disease outbreak, you can nip it in the bud before it becomes something much, much bigger. So there are a lot of self-interest cases to be made for the West to be funding development.”
2022-12-02 · The Rest Is Politics · 81. Ex-New Zealand PM Helen Clark on monarchy, extreme poverty, and Jacinda Ardern · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“So I think Know for countries in the West, the relationships with the global south are so much better when there's international solidarity, where people feel you're on their side. You're prepared to do your bit to help. I mean, never underestimate the huge soft power that came with that big development budget. And I really hope that when the two tests for getting back to the 0.7 are met, that this can be done as quickly as possible. I think it was good for the United Kingdom as it was good for those who were on the recipient end of the money. But look, we all know that the politics will say, hey, people are hungry in Britain, they're cold in Britain, the bills are high. But I think the sort of moral case for aid isn't in the end the one that often resonates. It's the case is that as”
2022-12-02 · The Rest Is Politics · 81. Ex-New Zealand PM Helen Clark on monarchy, extreme poverty, and Jacinda Ardern · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“That's right, civil war. It collapses in civil war. And they say that, you know, anywhere from 300 to 600,000 people, maybe a million people, have died in Tigray because of war.”
2022-12-02 · The Rest Is Politics · 81. Ex-New Zealand PM Helen Clark on monarchy, extreme poverty, and Jacinda Ardern · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Quite important. But then you pile on for a number of countries the devastating impact of conflict. And look, look, our media is dominated by the Ukraine war, which is tragic. But let's highlight another, which is the war that has been going on in northern Ethiopia. Now, Ethiopia, Rory, in your time and when Alistair was working out of Downing Street, it was a bit of a development success story. The famine story had gone.”
2022-12-02 · The Rest Is Politics · 81. Ex-New Zealand PM Helen Clark on monarchy, extreme poverty, and Jacinda Ardern · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Absolutely devastating. Now, I mean, COVID ain't over, but with vaccines we can mitigate the worst impacts of it, although of course the rollout to the Malawis of the world has been absolutely shocking, and that's a really indictment on global solidarity. But as the effects of what's happening to our climate deepen, of course, we have more extreme weather events, putting more and more pressure on food production. And I think important point to make about priorities and development assistance is investment in sustainable agriculture for the people living on the margins with the plotted land where you need irrigation because the rain isn't coming. You need water storage facilities. I mean, reinvesting in agriculture, which went very out of fashion among Western donors, I think would be...”
2022-12-02 · The Rest Is Politics · 81. Ex-New Zealand PM Helen Clark on monarchy, extreme poverty, and Jacinda Ardern · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Well, you're right, the trends have been very negative the last couple of years with that first year of COVID. We saw a rise in the numbers living in extreme poverty for the first time this century. Look at the impact on, say, the Human Development Index, it was a staggering proportion of countries who actually went backwards on that index, on the human development value in 2020 and also 2021. So I think what's going on is what we call at the Partnership for Maternal Newborn and Child Health, which I'm the board chair of. We call it the CCC crisis, COVID, climate and conflicts, and the compounding effects of these simultaneous crises, the sort of perme crisis as it were have been.”
2022-12-02 · The Rest Is Politics · 81. Ex-New Zealand PM Helen Clark on monarchy, extreme poverty, and Jacinda Ardern · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I mean, it was incredible, the sense of duty. So, no, we won't see her like again is the truth. I mean, I have a great deal of respect for King Charles, who I've also met on many occasions in New Zealand at Gallipoli here, and he will bring his own touch. I like the fact that he was out advocating for nature conservation, sustainable development before it was the thing to do. I think that'll go down very well in New Zealand. And I really wish him well. He'll be different and he'll make his own mark.”
2022-12-02 · The Rest Is Politics · 81. Ex-New Zealand PM Helen Clark on monarchy, extreme poverty, and Jacinda Ardern · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“She had been ten times to New Zealand as queen. So in her first half century she'd become roughly on average twice a decade. Yeah, yeah, every five years. And she was there during the coronation tour at a very special time when there was a major tragedy in New Zealand with a train crash caused by a volcanic laha hitting the track. So she became part of the grieving of that and it always left a very good memory. But she came many times. I met her many times, particularly at Commonwealth Summits, but also coming to the United Kingdom and meeting her here. So, no, it was a sad time. And I think everybody reflected on this incredible life of service.”
2022-12-02 · The Rest Is Politics · 81. Ex-New Zealand PM Helen Clark on monarchy, extreme poverty, and Jacinda Ardern · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“It was her last visit, and I recall when I met her at the Chogham in Kampala in 2007, I said to her, Your Majesty, the Government of People of New Zealand, would be very pleased to welcome you to our shores again. And she said to me then, You know, Prime Minister, Philip and I are not getting any younger, and it was a bit of a sad message in a way because I felt she would never come again, which was the case.”
2022-12-02 · The Rest Is Politics · 81. Ex-New Zealand PM Helen Clark on monarchy, extreme poverty, and Jacinda Ardern · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Well, firstly, I thought that the video the Queen did for her 70th Jubilee with Paddington Bear was one of the most touching things I'd ever seen. You know, I have one too, she said, as Paddington offered her a sandwich. And the sight of Paddington kind of stumbling with the tea everywhere. It was just side-splittingly funny. But Rory's taken it too much to heart, eating it on the program. He's got his tea now as well. But to be more serious, no, I think it was a time of reflection for everybody.”
2022-12-02 · The Rest Is Politics · 81. Ex-New Zealand PM Helen Clark on monarchy, extreme poverty, and Jacinda Ardern · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I think it will be hard because it's already been a 12 year run. In New Zealand the tolerance for a government only just runs to nine years. No one's done more than nine years since the holier government from 1960 to 72. Now this is half a century ago, right, that we had the last government that lasted 12 years. Now, I know in Britain before Tony Blair came to power, the Conservatives were in for 18 years. It's a long run. But whether people are as tolerant of that kind of long run now as they were, then I guess we're only the next election will tell. But for me, I went up for a fourth term because the judgment still was that, you know, we didn't have a lot of chance, but I probably had the best chance. But it was too hard. So nine years was kind of it.”
2022-12-02 · The Rest Is Politics · 81. Ex-New Zealand PM Helen Clark on monarchy, extreme poverty, and Jacinda Ardern · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Anyway, I felt that this needed attention and I felt that through the arts and culture and acknowledging New Zealand's unique heritage and combination of peoples that we could express our national identity and show the world we're more than just sports. So yes, I put money into film funds to get our stories made because no one else will make them into the performing and visual arts. Very proud of what we did. So that was the reason.”
2022-12-02 · The Rest Is Politics · 81. Ex-New Zealand PM Helen Clark on monarchy, extreme poverty, and Jacinda Ardern · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Well, I felt that this was a sector of enormous importance to New Zealand life. And when you looked at surveys of how New Zealanders spent their leisure time, a greater proportion actually spent it on arts and culture and crafts than ever spent it actively in sport, right? But this was never really acknowledged and everyone thinks of a great sporting country. We're quite good at rugby cricket, a few things. You throw away very large leads at the moment. That was a pathetic performance the other day. But anyway, went to sleep in the second. Well, it doesn't help to have someone sent off 10 minutes before the end, does it?”
2022-12-02 · The Rest Is Politics · 81. Ex-New Zealand PM Helen Clark on monarchy, extreme poverty, and Jacinda Ardern · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Well, they'll be there in some form, right? So Farage would have his party and who knows in a bad year he might get 15% of the vote, like the far right in Sweden. Maybe he'd get 20%. But I don't think they're ever going to be the first major party in a... The British election. So Or else I'd urinate again.”
2022-12-02 · The Rest Is Politics · 81. Ex-New Zealand PM Helen Clark on monarchy, extreme poverty, and Jacinda Ardern · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“No, you're right. No, you're absolutely right. This is not tennis, right? It's not tennis singles. It's cricket, it's rugby, it's where you have to pack down together and put up as much of a united front if you can. And once a party can't do that, it's in trouble. And it's a bit the story, isn't it, of how parties here have pulled themselves apart in recent years. I mean, Brexit cut through both the major parties in quite fundamental and divisive ways. Well, maybe that old cohesion will never come back. And in my view, British politics would probably be healthier for making a transition to something like mixed member proportional representation where you let that fall field of flowers bloom. You'll have a range of parties. You've got a range of parties in parliament now. It's not like you're used to having just two parties.”
2022-12-02 · The Rest Is Politics · 81. Ex-New Zealand PM Helen Clark on monarchy, extreme poverty, and Jacinda Ardern · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Yes, and I'd also reflect on the fact that when you come from, say, a position where you have a lot of knowledge about a particular thing, and then you come into politics and then into a ministry, actually you have to be able to take the helicopter view over a broader area than you yourself will have direct expertise in. And some people really struggle with that because they used to being, you know, the font of knowledge on a particular thing. But that's not how it works. And as you know, even when you're a minister, you still had to deal with dangerous dogs back in the constituency or why were the rural bus services not turning up. So you become very much a jackal jill of all trades. You end up knowing a little about a lot. And yes, the ministerial job will take quite a lot of time. But the constituency takes a lot of time. The party takes a lot of time, right? So.”
2022-12-02 · The Rest Is Politics · 81. Ex-New Zealand PM Helen Clark on monarchy, extreme poverty, and Jacinda Ardern · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“was shared those to our right who should have been in a different party anyway, shared those to the far left, those who were green could go somewhere else. I mean, people went in all directions and we had the chance to rebuild a coherent social democratic party. Our counterparts, the National Party, equivalent of British Conservative, had a similar experience. They lost people to their right. They lost people to the centre than they were. So it was quite a shakeout and it enabled more, you know, if you like the parties to become more cohesive. It didn't stop them in the end becoming major parties. The first MMP election, the Conservatives got around 35% Labour 28. But over the years, the parties tended to get back with the two-party share, normally being up about 80% for the major parties.”
2022-12-02 · The Rest Is Politics · 81. Ex-New Zealand PM Helen Clark on monarchy, extreme poverty, and Jacinda Ardern · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Yes, parties arise out of almost nowhere. Usually from someone who's left a major party and has enough force of personality or point of distinction to be able to gather a following, there's been a number of those. But to come back to that question of why is it resisted here? I mean, the major parties will resist it because they know there'll be quite a transition. But the transition can be positive. That's my point in the end, reflecting on the experience. Because what it enabled us to do with Labour.”
2022-12-02 · The Rest Is Politics · 81. Ex-New Zealand PM Helen Clark on monarchy, extreme poverty, and Jacinda Ardern · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“And, you know, may never happen again because it's so difficult. But we are highly proportional. It does require accommodations across party lines.”
2022-12-02 · The Rest Is Politics · 81. Ex-New Zealand PM Helen Clark on monarchy, extreme poverty, and Jacinda Ardern · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“So our parliament is proportional to the votes cast for parties that get over 4% of the vote, which is the entry threshold, with the exception that if a party wins one seat, it then gets proportionally represented even if it got under the actually the 5% threshold. So basically if Greens get 10% of the vote, they get 10% of the 120 seats. That's how it goes. Jacinda Ardern's as leader of the party, they actually won 50% last time, which is absolutely staggering.”
2022-12-02 · The Rest Is Politics · 81. Ex-New Zealand PM Helen Clark on monarchy, extreme poverty, and Jacinda Ardern · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“No, I'm not surprised because if you're in one of the major parties as I was, I didn't support the change. I didn't support it because I knew it would be hell to go through the transition. It was very, very difficult because when you first make the step to MMP and we were in a position of weakness really when it happened and in the first MMP election we got 28% of the vote.”
2022-12-02 · The Rest Is Politics · 81. Ex-New Zealand PM Helen Clark on monarchy, extreme poverty, and Jacinda Ardern · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“The parliament. I had to do deals, frankly, and those deals would involve deals on budgets, on positions, primarily on confidence votes, because you can't form a government unless you can assure the Governor-General representing what was who was then the Queen now that now the King, that you command a majority in Parliament. While New Zealand politics is robust, proportional representation has forced a lot more cross-party discussion. Now, obviously to form your majority, you're mostly speaking with the smaller parties. But also, what people don't see is that sometimes you will have the minor parties completely opposed to something like a free trade agreement, where you walk across the aisle and you get the votes from the Conservatives”
2022-12-02 · The Rest Is Politics · 81. Ex-New Zealand PM Helen Clark on monarchy, extreme poverty, and Jacinda Ardern · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Well, I think what politics does as often exaggerate the differences between parties for differentiation, and the reality is that there's a lot of policy that's ongoing without a lot of change between governments of centre right and centre left. But that's not so often on display. There's a lot of collegial work. You know, the committee work, for example, particularly with the mixed member proportional system that New Zealand now has, that's the voting system, where it's very unusual for a government party to get a majority in its own right. You have to reach out to others. You see, in the nine years, three terms which I had as prime minister, I never had labour as a majority in...”
2022-12-02 · The Rest Is Politics · 81. Ex-New Zealand PM Helen Clark on monarchy, extreme poverty, and Jacinda Ardern · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Number one as Australia of course many New Zealanders live in Australia and we have long had a Trans-Tasman travel agreement and free trade area where we enjoy open access to each other's countries and Australia obviously will always be a major trade partner so number one is Australia but then I think in trade terms China's learned very large. European Union is very important to us as a whole and of course when Britain was even more important as a whole the UK remains an important partner US, Japan, Korea, the ASEAN bloc we tend to think of in trade terms what matters to us and that's the grouping.”
2022-12-02 · The Rest Is Politics · 81. Ex-New Zealand PM Helen Clark on monarchy, extreme poverty, and Jacinda Ardern · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“We met three days a week, and I personally went to questions, two of those three days. I'd go Tuesday and Wednesday, usually reserved Thursday for going out around the provincial centres in New Zealand. And my deputy would do the questions. But they could ask questions to the Prime Minister every day. And you also had a media stand up every day. I mean, you did your post cabinet press conference on Monday and a full theatrete. And then every day that you walked to parliamentary questions, there was a media stand-up. On a Tuesday morning when you had your party caucus, there was a media stand-up”
2022-12-02 · The Rest Is Politics · 81. Ex-New Zealand PM Helen Clark on monarchy, extreme poverty, and Jacinda Ardern · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Well, they're rough, but the chamber is bigger, so it kind of goes into the ethermore. But your chamber is so intimate, you know, they're barely sort of a fist punch away from each other.”
2022-12-02 · The Rest Is Politics · 81. Ex-New Zealand PM Helen Clark on monarchy, extreme poverty, and Jacinda Ardern · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Well, I think Kia comes to it with that background of being the crown prosecutor. So quite logical and not, in my opinion, using hyperbole. Rishi comes to it with sort of background of finance and having those interests quite clinical. So I didn't feel that either of them emoted, right? So I think pop up. Is that a good thing or a bad thing? No, I think it's a good thing. I think populism's at Bay, but of course what is baying is the crowd on each side and that's what makes it difficult to hear.”
2022-12-02 · The Rest Is Politics · 81. Ex-New Zealand PM Helen Clark on monarchy, extreme poverty, and Jacinda Ardern · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Exactly. I mean, politics is always a stage, you know, a theatre where we play out often quite profound differences of opinion, but we play it out within rules. But I think the referee struggles with the British House of Commons.”
2022-12-02 · The Rest Is Politics · 81. Ex-New Zealand PM Helen Clark on monarchy, extreme poverty, and Jacinda Ardern · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Today. Today it was very difficult, even speaking, almost sitting almost above the key players, very difficult to hear above the noise. There's not much of a civil exchange goes on.”
2022-12-02 · The Rest Is Politics · 81. Ex-New Zealand PM Helen Clark on monarchy, extreme poverty, and Jacinda Ardern · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“So it was 76. So didn't Harold win two elections in 74? Jim Cullahan? And then Jim Callaghan came along. Look, my memory of 1976 was it was not as sort of shouty as it is.”
2022-12-02 · The Rest Is Politics · 81. Ex-New Zealand PM Helen Clark on monarchy, extreme poverty, and Jacinda Ardern · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I think democracy is under pressure. The rise of populism has had a profound impact on the politics of the US, the UK, profound impact, I think, in Italy, in France, the parties of the broad centre-left right. Let's face it, barely fend off the far right. We've just seen what is often referred to as a neo-Nazi party emerges as the second biggest party in Sweden. I mean, there are quite a lot of concerning trends around Western democracies. So I think in a way there's a broad centre that needs to come together against populism and argue for reason and logic and evidence-based policy to try and get us back on a better track.”
2022-12-02 · The Rest Is Politics · 81. Ex-New Zealand PM Helen Clark on monarchy, extreme poverty, and Jacinda Ardern · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“We went through hell, the 70s were bad, the 80s when the financial bubble burst for us into 87 were bad. It took us a long time to find our feet.”
2022-12-02 · The Rest Is Politics · 81. Ex-New Zealand PM Helen Clark on monarchy, extreme poverty, and Jacinda Ardern · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“It required an incredible adjustment by New Zealand, really noxious for six. And of course there was tremendous sympathy for New Zealand in many parts of the British Parliament. You know, you look at the debates on the entry to the European Union and you'll find members of parliament saying, poor little New Zealand, how is it going to cope? And, you know, the British terms of entry did provide some access for New Zealand and Britain was always number one champion for New Zealand access. Within the European Union, followed by the Germans, the Dutch and more recent years the Swedes, but the ties with Britain were obviously much deeper and stronger than with other friends. So obviously we have to work a lot harder now to be heard in Brussels without a British voice in support.”
2022-12-02 · The Rest Is Politics · 81. Ex-New Zealand PM Helen Clark on monarchy, extreme poverty, and Jacinda Ardern · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Very good from a New Zealand point of view. I understand that there's some questioning in some quarters of whether it's too good for Australia and New Zealand, which is another matter. But I think, I mean, obviously we watch with some concern when you read that Britain's GDP could be down 4% a year because of the impact of Brexit. That's got to be a concern to British people because it's about living standards, about level of prosperity. And then I think the recent multiple changes have heads of government and cabinets and ministries and so on. It's all been a very unsettling period for Britain.”
2022-12-02 · The Rest Is Politics · 81. Ex-New Zealand PM Helen Clark on monarchy, extreme poverty, and Jacinda Ardern · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Well, firstly, with a New Zealand hat on. Of course, there's enormous affection for Britain, a highlight of so many young kiwis is to come to the UK on the two-year working holiday visa. So many of us have literally all our ancestry from the UK, a lot of roots here. We, of course, have got a very good free trade agreement with Britain following recent negotiations.”
2022-12-02 · The Rest Is Politics · 81. Ex-New Zealand PM Helen Clark on monarchy, extreme poverty, and Jacinda Ardern · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“So it began with a to and fro, obviously, on the cost of living and the precious families are under with mortgage payments, with food and energy costs and so on. But probably the news reporting out of it today, I would think, would be on the Scott Nats following up on the Supreme Court decision on whether the Scottish Assembly had the competence to call a I've committed a mortal sin in more than half my ancestry's of Scottish descent, so there you are. But yeah, that was quite a big theme and the line that the S&P ran was given that we have won X number of elections since 2014 and it's clear that the people of Scotland support independence, quote unquote, what do you have to do to be able to leave a voluntary union? That was their argument.”
2022-12-02 · The Rest Is Politics · 81. Ex-New Zealand PM Helen Clark on monarchy, extreme poverty, and Jacinda Ardern · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I love Prime Minister's questions. I still see the snippets on the BBC News when I'm home. And I first began popping into PMQ when I was a student on a scholarship in London in 1976 and you'd queue outside to get in. No business that passes those days. And so often when I've been in London I've made sure I've got a card to the Speaker's gallery these days and go and watch.”
2022-12-02 · The Rest Is Politics · 81. Ex-New Zealand PM Helen Clark on monarchy, extreme poverty, and Jacinda Ardern · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
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2022-12-02 · The Rest Is Politics · 81. Ex-New Zealand PM Helen Clark on monarchy, extreme poverty, and Jacinda Ardern · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source