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Henry Dimbleby

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  1. It's okay for a minister to tell people to eat turnips, which is very funny. It's a good debate, but it's not particularly relevant

    2023-04-10 · Intelligence Squared · Henry Dimbleby and Alice Thomson On How The Global Food System Is Killing Us · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT

  2. In Morocco, which was a failure of a kind of weird freak weather event, that is going to happen more often. And the way that we eat is actually imperiling the way we eat. So we shouldn't be talking about whether we can eat turnips, whether it's okay to tell people to eat turnips in winter. What we should be thinking about is how can we make our food system less environmentally destructive? And it might not just be that Moroccan event was quite mild. But if you look at, say, rice, the biggest exporter of rice to the world is the Mekong Delta, half of which will be underwater if sea levels rise a meter. So for me, the big issue with food security is climate and biodiversity, and that's what we should be focusing on, not whether...

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  3. Protected from that because we have pretty productive soil. We produce about 60% of our own food. If we had to, and the Department of Environment, Food and Rural Affairs did a study on this, we could quite quickly ramp up our own production to feed the whole population from British soil if we ate less meat because it's inefficient. Actually, I think you're seeing at the moment the real underlying thing obviously wars are bad. And if you're Egypt that is concerning and there are things that we talk about that Egypt might be thinking about in the future in the book. But for us, I think the biggest worry is climate change. So the food system is by far the biggest cause of the destruction of nature. And after energy, it is the second biggest cause of climate change. It emits 20 to 30 percent of greenhouse gases. And what we saw earlier this year.

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  4. On the planet now that exists in areas where the soil in that area would be unable to feed the population of that country. So, for example, Egypt, which imports a lot of wheat from Ukraine, even if you farmed it incredibly intensively, the land in Egypt would only be able to support half the population, like less than half the population. And that is because we've got very good at distributing and storing food. So that is a decision that we have made, maybe subconsciously as a race, that we will move food from productive areas to unproductive areas. Here in the UK, we are actually pretty...

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  5. I mean, I found the whole debate about whether it is acceptable to ask people to eat more turnips, incredibly frustrating. So there is, if you step right back, the reason that Ukraine is so important is because it has incredibly fertile soil. And we have a population.

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  6. Because, for example, they And there's good data on this. If you haven't got a lot of money and you want to feed your family, you want to feed them something that you know that they will eat. You want to go for the blockbusters because you can't afford to feed your children, for example, healthily. And then if they don't like it, feed them something else. So we know that the cost of living has increased the number of people skipping meals. We don't know yet whether it's changed what they eat. but we would expect it to make diets slightly worse.

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  7. Well, we don't know, is the answer, so we don't, we haven't got good data on how diets have shifted. What we do know is that in a cost of living crisis, Food is typically the first thing to go, so when you have your fixed costs and your household, your rent or your mortgage and your heating bills and so forth, it is the reason there is what people call food poverty is not because it's anything other than poverty, but it's because food is the thing that people can skip. And the one piece of data that we have seen is that more houses, which is now measured by the government, more houses, more people are skipping meals as a result of financial constraints. And I would expect in that scenario to see what happens if you look at diets across the piece, diets are pretty bad across the piece, but there is a skew to poor diet in people who haven't got a lot of money. And that tends to be.

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  8. Are a kind of combination of historical factors and then a culture that meant the government in other countries in Japan, in South Korea, in Spain, in France, the government have tried to do more to Encourage a good food culture than we have in this country.

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  9. So we dislocated our population from the countryside. And from that point, there are politicians basically from that point through the Ber War in the First World War were very worried about how bad our diet is. Periodically they've intervened because the poor were not able to eat good food. They were eating bread and tea and other things. And then I think the second thing that happened is we created because we were more American, we were more market driven, we created this kind of super powered food industry that has really turned up the dial and we could talk about this a bit later in terms of how it markets and sells as food. And that didn't happen in the same way in Southern Europe. So I think.

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  10. Industrial Revolution. So when we basically moved our citizens into towns at the end of the 19th century, France, by contrast, had about the same percentage of their population in towns as we did at the end of the 19th century in the early 60s. So they stayed near where their food was grown for much longer. And at the same time, because we'd moved the labor out of the fields, we then imported much more of our own food. So we, by the beginning of the Second World War, only had only produced 30% of our own food. It's much more now. We produce over 60% of our own food.

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  11. It's America and Britain, Germany a bit behind. I think that the story of the UK, there are kind of few overlaying things. And if you want to understand how different the UK is from, say, France and Spain, 50%, 7% of the food that we eat is highly processed. France and Spain, sorry, Italy and Spain, it's kind of in the low teens, and France is slightly higher above that. So we do eat a very different diet. I think it goes back to, first of all,

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  12. So, funnily enough, when I was a child, I used to like Burger King rather than McDonald's. And one of the reasons that we set up Leon was because both John and I used to like McDonald's. I used to like Burger King. We remembered the excitement of those restaurants when we were kids. Both of us used to before term go out to a movie and then go and have fast food. But recently when I've had McDonald's, your palate kind of moves away from that. And the thing about it, you can eat it with your gums, without your teeth. And the sweetness of the bread, I just find pretty unpalatable. At this stage in life

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  13. It's this morning I had for breakfast some sourdough toast with sauerkraut on it, but my wife thinks this is absolutely disgusting. But I normally have actually, funny enough, quite a continental breakfast, so I'll have tomatoes, chickpeas, coffee, whatever, whatever's in the fridge, which is ridiculously on brand, but it also happens to be true.

    2023-04-10 · Intelligence Squared · Henry Dimbleby and Alice Thomson On How The Global Food System Is Killing Us · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT