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Henry Shukman

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“Therein five collections of coins. So these choines got collected, mostly in Sung Dynasty China. That's around 1100, 1200, and these sort of classic collections were compiled. And there are several of them. There are maybe three really major collections. Their earliest was put together in 1028. It's called the Blue Cliff Record. And that has 100 koans in it. And then there's another one called the Book of Equanimity. There's also got 100. And there's another one called the Gateless Gate that has 48. And actually there's quite a bit of overlap among those volumes. And then there's another volume that we use. And there's a preliminary kind of volume of just the sort of hotpodch of Koans that one of our teachers in the lineage put together called the miscellaneous coins because they are just miscellaneous. And so what we do, okay, so this is how it works, is that if somebody's”
2021-12-29 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #560: Zen Master Henry Shukman — 20 Minutes of Calm, Plus the Strange and Powerful World of Koans · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Okay, I'm aware that I've read that there are 1700 that are kind of classically recognized koans, nearly all from that Tang dynasty period and a few from way earlier, actually a few have come out of the Indian phase of Buddhism, you know, way back in the 4th century BCE. Apparently 1700, but in practice what happens is there are these different sort of schools of Zen that will use certain collections. So not to my knowledge, no school uses 1700 co-ans. No training involves that many. In a school that I'm part of, of course, Sambo Zen, we use something like, I believe it's around 420 is what I've heard fairly recently actually from one of my colleagues had sort of counted it up.”
2021-12-29 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #560: Zen Master Henry Shukman — 20 Minutes of Calm, Plus the Strange and Powerful World of Koans · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Possibly do something to deep assumptions that I have. And one of those deep assumptions is that I'm me in my body, in my mind, and I'm not what's outside of me. And that's a deep assumption. And the Koan can kind of blow a hole in it, in the assumption. And suddenly I discover that's not true or part is true, but it's not the whole truth. There's another reality that is real. I mean, it is a dimension of our reality where there isn't separation between things. There isn't distance between things. Somehow there's one fabric, one sort of tissue. That's what they mean by the way when you were quoting the word principle. That's what it means. It means a single tissue, a single fabric that is what... Everything's made of.”
2021-12-29 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #560: Zen Master Henry Shukman — 20 Minutes of Calm, Plus the Strange and Powerful World of Koans · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Records of that, in a sense, they like it's a great practice in expressing through words what he or she has realized. Therefore, the idea is the ordinary way of constructing reality where I am a self in this body and everything else is outside of me, that way of constructing reality won't understand the Koan, can't get at what the Kohan is getting at. The Koan is a little drill bit that's drilling into the wall of my house of self, so to speak. It's trying to actually puncture the membrane of my sense of self, switching metaphors. You know, it's trying to, sometimes have talked to them of like, they're like little explosives. We take them into the psyche by sitting with them. Kind of do best with them if you have a meditation practice. You let them sort of somehow simmer away inside you and they will”
2021-12-29 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #560: Zen Master Henry Shukman — 20 Minutes of Calm, Plus the Strange and Powerful World of Koans · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Right, okay, great. So I'm not off track now. So basically, meaning that You could point to actually, it was a master called Echu, who was an amazing master in the late seventh, early eighth century, if I remember right, who said the single hand doesn't sound without reason. That was what he said the single hand sounds. So that's a little obscure. Of course it's very obscure. But actually, he was trying to express his experience of quote-unquote awakening. In other words, he's trying to use language to convey what is basically a non-linguistic experience and even an experience that we don't really have language for, but it's a very vivid and real experience in which the sensor self has been swallowed”
2021-12-29 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #560: Zen Master Henry Shukman — 20 Minutes of Calm, Plus the Strange and Powerful World of Koans · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“So it was in the And I think maybe it's due for a reappraisal at the moment. And maybe co-anes can be a part of this. I'm so convinced because now, okay, public case, that's exactly right. Now, one interpretation that I've heard of what the term public case means is that actually it was taken from Tang Dynasty legal processes. So essentially a public case was a public record of some point of legislation or what we would call a legal precedent.”
2021-12-29 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #560: Zen Master Henry Shukman — 20 Minutes of Calm, Plus the Strange and Powerful World of Koans · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Then had a real popularity in the West back in the 50s, 60s, 70s, 80s even still, in the kind of heyday and then aftermath of psychedelic culture. People recognized, wow, Zen seems to know about what I tasted on that last acid trip. It seems to have some congruence with that. And maybe meditation is a way to sort of get there in a more stable way kind of thing and without having to take a substance. And maybe that's the case, really. So I think now Zen got a little bit sort of, I mean, it was almost kind of mainstream, really, for a while.”
2021-12-29 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #560: Zen Master Henry Shukman — 20 Minutes of Calm, Plus the Strange and Powerful World of Koans · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Really, what the heart of the matter. And so now the psychedelic research is opening that up again and it's creating new ways of measuring longevity of change in people who've been through experiences like this, which was so hard to do before because you couldn't. You can't really get somebody in an MRI and say, have Kensho. You know, Kensho being the Zen name for awakening to the principle, which is non-dual. So psychedelic research is really helping with that. And it's actually, it's funny that”
2021-12-29 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #560: Zen Master Henry Shukman — 20 Minutes of Calm, Plus the Strange and Powerful World of Koans · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“No, look, all of that is fantastic. I'm so happy to hear you say that, both parts, because my own little sort of hobby horse these days kind of thing is that I'm so happy about the psychedelic research because it's giving us new tools for once again resuming the study of meditation at deeper levels. Because a lot of the study of meditators' brains over the last 30 years or whatever it's been has been about mindfulness, it's been about, yeah, quieting the default mode network and just getting into maybe more compassionate states of mind or just more equanimous states of mind. But it hasn't really tapped into the capacity or it's minimally tapped into the capacity of meditation to yield, to bring us to these non-dual states, which are”
2021-12-29 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #560: Zen Master Henry Shukman — 20 Minutes of Calm, Plus the Strange and Powerful World of Koans · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Is there anything So far that sort of doesn't make sense or anything, or am I going in a direction that sort of Of interest, do you think”
2021-12-29 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #560: Zen Master Henry Shukman — 20 Minutes of Calm, Plus the Strange and Powerful World of Koans · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Being something they've discovered and found to be real that does not in any way impair their functioning as a normal human being. So it's not psychotic and it's not delusional. It doesn't generally sort of take us off into dysfunction, quite the reverse. It can actually lead to better mental health than we've had before And it's kind of good for us, apparently, to find this. And Coans are little invitations to that side of things. Now, how they work is actually shall I give you a chance to say something and not just rant away.”
2021-12-29 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #560: Zen Master Henry Shukman — 20 Minutes of Calm, Plus the Strange and Powerful World of Koans · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“So Tim and the East Coast, Henry, and New Mexico, Santa Fe. And obviously, quite separate. But at the very same time, there is actually also A level of our experience of our reality where nothing is separate. And this isn't an idea, it's an actual experience that quite a number of people through the ages and today still attest to the”
2021-12-29 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #560: Zen Master Henry Shukman — 20 Minutes of Calm, Plus the Strange and Powerful World of Koans · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Through personal experience, that there are actually sort of other dimensions to our experience than we normally experience. And what they are like is a kind of incredible, overwhelming sense that somehow everything is one thing. That's one common experience that Kohans are trying to convey, that all these separate things in this world, just like they seem to be, there's a table, there's a cup, there's a tree outside, there's Tim and are still on the East Coast, Tim somewhere?”
2021-12-29 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #560: Zen Master Henry Shukman — 20 Minutes of Calm, Plus the Strange and Powerful World of Koans · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Said to have had his first real flourishing, there were just a lot of people around, apparently, at that time who were really doing this practice and got kind of really helped by it and clarified in certain key ways. And the key way that Coans sort of pass on or allow us to maybe taste is a dry way of putting it is, we could say, non-dual experience. That's sort of a bit boring really, to put it that way. It's to realize”
2021-12-29 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #560: Zen Master Henry Shukman — 20 Minutes of Calm, Plus the Strange and Powerful World of Koans · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Of these deeply awakened masters said, or in some cases did. Sometimes there's somebody just does something weird. And most of the people doing or saying the things in them are these Zen practitioners, perhaps we should say Chan practitioners, because Zen was called Chan in China where it really comes from. And the Japanese kind of took it on about a thousand eight hundred years ago and did a great job of sort of conveying it and practicing with it and passing it on, so to speak. But the original practitioners who gave us a lot of the kinds, most of them were Chinese and they were mostly in this period of Chinese history called the Tang Dynasty, which was 600 to 900 approximately. And that's when Zen is sort of”
2021-12-29 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #560: Zen Master Henry Shukman — 20 Minutes of Calm, Plus the Strange and Powerful World of Koans · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“You know what two hands clapping sounds like what does one hand sound like? Do you know what the sound of one hand is? That's kind of meaningless, really, isn't it? I mean, some people try, I've had people sort of snap their fingers or something, you know, because there's only one hand to make a noise. No, no, no, no, no. It's not the basic thing with Koans is the frame, I think I've got to give to understand what they're sort of for and why they're beautiful and why they're not just often seemingly infuriating little riddles that can't be unpuzzled out. They're not just that. They're actually the origin of them in almost, I think, in every single case is something that one”
2021-12-29 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #560: Zen Master Henry Shukman — 20 Minutes of Calm, Plus the Strange and Powerful World of Koans · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Personal growth of some kind, and actually I think, Tim, your comment about terror. That was great. That was great. Because actually we know that we're moving into not knowing if we get a little bit afraid. Fear is a hallmark of that because it sort of is scary, nearly always. But so you could kind of maybe think about not knowing as most intimate as well, not knowing will help me know something about myself that I don't yet know or something like that, you could sort of rationally approach it a little bit. But what about this sound of one hand? Actually, the real sort of real, I don't know, the old formulation of that Cohen is like this. You know the sound of two hands clapping, but what is the sound of one hand? In other words,”
2021-12-29 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #560: Zen Master Henry Shukman — 20 Minutes of Calm, Plus the Strange and Powerful World of Koans · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Generally, they sort of don't make sense to our normal rational mind. And it varies a bit. I mean, like, not knowing is most intimate. But by the way, it's a totally bona fide co-en. Yeah, absolutely. Cohen is with this master called Hogan. It's supposed to be the moment he had a great awakening, actually, when he heard another master tell him that. And maybe I'll come back to the story in a moment. That's almost a bit more You could kind of wrap your head around some idea of not knowing is most intimate. Well, actually, it's a little bit hard, but you could sort of think, well, actually, Tim and Henry were just a moment talking about not knowing, like going into unknown land as a sort of reclaiming part of the self by recognizing that there's limits to what I know of myself. So maybe there's some aspect of not knowing that's connected with.”
2021-12-29 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #560: Zen Master Henry Shukman — 20 Minutes of Calm, Plus the Strange and Powerful World of Koans · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“I'll try my best. Okay, so a Koan is a phrase. It may be a few words or it can be a few lines long. It may even be the longest two that I know.”
2021-12-29 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #560: Zen Master Henry Shukman — 20 Minutes of Calm, Plus the Strange and Powerful World of Koans · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“of not knowing all of who I am, and being willing to let part of myself show themselves that I didn't think I wanted to know or didn't even think were there to be known. But maybe they are.”
2021-12-29 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #560: Zen Master Henry Shukman — 20 Minutes of Calm, Plus the Strange and Powerful World of Koans · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Member off the rails. But there's something here for us. I really think this is a part of our healing. That's been anyway my experience. And so not being afraid of feelings is a really important starting point. And that is, I think, part of the allowing peace is that instead of feeling this way being wrong and bad and I got to not feel this way kind of flip it I'm going to allow this to teach me something. I don't really know what it is and it's probably quite hard for me to believe it could teach me anything. It just seems like wrong, but actually maybe it's not wrong. Maybe it's just that my map of myself has got a lot of terror incognita, unknown lands in my map of myself. And behave, why don't I allow myself to be on a journey of discovery?”
2021-12-29 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #560: Zen Master Henry Shukman — 20 Minutes of Calm, Plus the Strange and Powerful World of Koans · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Somehow, in that grief, I could also feel just great love. And I don't know how this works exactly, but my hunch is that grief and love and hurt and love and pain and love, there joined at the hip somehow. And so our acts, I mean, I've gone deeper than with like how to handle and know emotions, but yeah, it all relates really. If we allow our emotional challenges and tightness and reluctance to feel if we're given a supportive framework where we can open to that, then we might open to this sort of deeper well of grief. And it's so beautiful because then we find, wow, in the depths of this somehow, I don't feel so alone, there's a truth in this that somehow joins me to the human race or something like that. I don't know. Maybe I'm getting off the rails here, not only off the...”
2021-12-29 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #560: Zen Master Henry Shukman — 20 Minutes of Calm, Plus the Strange and Powerful World of Koans · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Okay, I guess. Inside of many of us, I believe there's some kind of deep primordial wound. But somehow I think most of us probably, I mean, I don't know whether you could ever scientifically prove this, but I suspect that anyway, a lot of us have got some deep grief inside us. And actually, there are various methods. I think a lot of good therapists somehow tap into that or can find ways to kindly, gently give us opportunities to sort of open up to that. And it can be incredibly cathartic and incredibly healing, actually, to open in that kind of way and find that grief is not an enemy. Personally, I feel that some of the most significant, most important sort of pivot points in my growth so far as a fallible, ailing, fucked up human being has been through things like that, when suddenly a gate of my heart opened and I could feel all this grief.”
2021-12-29 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #560: Zen Master Henry Shukman — 20 Minutes of Calm, Plus the Strange and Powerful World of Koans · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Toddler or infant, they've got so much on their plate already. And who knows what? And so I think it's not surprising that we would ongoingly have to be working on this stuff. But I mean, the good news, as far as I'm concerned, is that inside of these difficulties, I think there's ways to access, well, I don't know, God, I'm going off the deep end again, like last time.”
2021-12-29 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #560: Zen Master Henry Shukman — 20 Minutes of Calm, Plus the Strange and Powerful World of Koans · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Right, but we have to sort of compassionately bear in mind what happened to us in childhood because for many of us that lays down some kind of a template for how we're going to handle difficult emotions. And if we have things that are really basically too much for us to handle in childhood and we're alone trying to handle these difficult feelings without support, without being met by anybody, without connection to anybody, it's overwhelming. And there's kind of no choice. It's like either I die and often for an infant, especially it seems like it is like life or death, or I somehow have to make it so I don't feel this somehow, then we may have Caregivers who chastise us for showing emotion. We may have stress parents, he just can't handle it. They don't need another screaming.”
2021-12-29 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #560: Zen Master Henry Shukman — 20 Minutes of Calm, Plus the Strange and Powerful World of Koans · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“So, you know, it's not surprising for many of us that we really have to go on a journey that might take some time to start to understand in any sense really understand our emotional life. And it's so critical because what can you do with emotions, negative emotions, difficult emotions, if you don't know what they are, other than try to banish them? And if we try to banish them, we're sort of inevitably we're banishing part of ourself or parts.”
2021-12-29 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #560: Zen Master Henry Shukman — 20 Minutes of Calm, Plus the Strange and Powerful World of Koans · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“As four primary emotions. I don't know. I know people have different lists. I think four is quite good because it's just so easy to remember. Mad, glad, sad, afraid. And I wouldn't have a clue. I mean, of course, if I was feeling glad, I'd sort of, I'd know that I wasn't feeling awful. That was about the extent of my emotional literacy. So God, I think for many guys, I hope it's okay to talk like this. It's a journey.”
2021-12-29 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #560: Zen Master Henry Shukman — 20 Minutes of Calm, Plus the Strange and Powerful World of Koans · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Right. Well, I mean, you know, part of me wants to just say sort of welcome to the male gender. I mean, we're in sort of notoriously poorly socialized or poorly educated in our socialization in having any emotional literacy at all. I feel that by the time I was cognizant that there was such a thing as emotion, all I knew was kind of I'm feeling okay and I'm feeling awful. I couldn't pass out whether it was, I like like mad, glad, sad, afraid. I find that very easy to remember.”
2021-12-29 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #560: Zen Master Henry Shukman — 20 Minutes of Calm, Plus the Strange and Powerful World of Koans · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Your feelings Now we're looking at feelings right now in a very somatic way. We're not so interested in any of the storylines, any of the cognitive side of emotion. We're really just feeling it out in the body. Okay, now, Tim, I've been going on quite a while. How's this going? You can stay in it as you're reporting or you can just pop out whichever you prefer.”
2021-12-29 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #560: Zen Master Henry Shukman — 20 Minutes of Calm, Plus the Strange and Powerful World of Koans · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Softening around it and welcoming it and allowing it meaning yes you're welcome you're welcome to be here. That's the kind of vibe I welcome you I want to treat you tenderly. I want to be kind to you I know that I'm a sensitive creature I know that I'm a suffering being. And my intention isn't to try to eradicate that or deny that or banish that, exile that, no, or reject that. No, my intention is to welcome this. And I know I'm maybe imperfect at it, but I'm trying. And I want you little tension, little tightness, little contraction, to know that I'm welcoming you. And maybe there's just a little more ease in. finding that at least there's a kind of sense of vague possibility of doing this. In other words, you don't have to be rejecting.”
2021-12-29 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #560: Zen Master Henry Shukman — 20 Minutes of Calm, Plus the Strange and Powerful World of Koans · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Could be that there's also, if we go a little lower in the body, like the solar plexus, like right in the middle, above the belly and below the chest kind of thing, around there there's often some tightness, some contraction. So we're going to be aware of any tension contraction we're finding, and we're not going to try to change it. Instead, we're going to be soft around it. We're just going to let a real get a sense of the body, the fabric, tissue of the body actually softening to the sides of the chest, the sides of the flanks. And whatever there may be by way of tension, more in the middle of the body, middle of the trunk, the intention is to allow it to be there. This is the allowing in a slightly more somatic sense.”
2021-12-29 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #560: Zen Master Henry Shukman — 20 Minutes of Calm, Plus the Strange and Powerful World of Koans · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Hope you do it. Yeah, good. Okay, so that whole area. So just feeling How is this whole area? And it might be that much of it is relatively sort of clear, maybe sort of spacious, and that parts of it are a bit contracted and tight, with some tension in them.”
2021-12-29 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #560: Zen Master Henry Shukman — 20 Minutes of Calm, Plus the Strange and Powerful World of Koans · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“So now already we're getting a bit more balanced in ourselves probably already a little bit calmer, likely, we hope. Yeah, yeah, and a bit more sort of easy. And in this state of mind where we've managed to sort of diffuse a certain ease all through the body and we, you know, under other conditions, we might take longer with this and go a little bit more minutely just to really tasting the quality of ease. And now we can bring our attention to sort of the whole atmosphere around the heart. Don't go for the middle of the heart, just sort of the whole area around the heart. If the chest was a kind of snow glow. You know, and the heart was a little structure in the bottom in the middle of a snow globe. We want to be aware of the whole snow globe. Those little things you shake and snowfalls. You know what I mean?”
2021-12-29 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #560: Zen Master Henry Shukman — 20 Minutes of Calm, Plus the Strange and Powerful World of Koans · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Okay, so we're still with our softness in that area. Now we're going to let it melt down. So it melts down into the shoulders and the arms by the way become really limp and it melts on down into the upper chest, middle chest, lower chest. And then right through and around the midriff, kind of the solar plexus area right in the middle of the body, either side of it and whatever, to some extent through it, down into the upper belly, middle belly, lower belly, seat. Upper legs, lower legs, feet all becoming quite kind of maybe a bit warm and soft.”
2021-12-29 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #560: Zen Master Henry Shukman — 20 Minutes of Calm, Plus the Strange and Powerful World of Koans · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“And you might also just bring your attention to your tongue. The tongue is, you know, it's a massive muscle that's incredibly full of micro muscles, it's incredibly busy. Let it rest right now. I know you're going to have to be talking shortly, but it's okay to rest it. Let it settle on the floor of your mouth and Maybe you get a sense it sort of lightly expands like if you're camping and you leave your down sleeping bag in a sunny tent all day it kind of inflates, let your tongue do that just for a few seconds. Maybe you're getting a sort of little enveloping kind of just little taste of softness like almost a soft cloud around tongue or our throat, jaw, all of them easing, becoming easier. So I'm just going to check in. Are you getting anything like this?”
2021-12-29 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #560: Zen Master Henry Shukman — 20 Minutes of Calm, Plus the Strange and Powerful World of Koans · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Well, that's, I mean, honestly, that's probably nine tenths of the battle, so to speak The key thing, so let's just keep on with this. So, we've got feet, we got hands, we've got seat. If you've got any back to the chair, maybe your lower back or something is just touching that as well. Just feel that. If it is, it's fine if it is or isn't. Now let's go to the shoulders, just feel them, let them settle a bit, let them kind of, as it were, sort of slump on their sockets kind of thing. Let feel the jaw now So here's a key thing is really great to slacken the jaw There's a common thing in our sort of fast paced world our sort of hasty world to have tightness in the jaw so See if you can let the jaw sink about an eighth of an inch. Probably forward and down. And see if that at the same time brings some kind of softness into the throat.”
2021-12-29 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #560: Zen Master Henry Shukman — 20 Minutes of Calm, Plus the Strange and Powerful World of Koans · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“So Leslie, so we're sitting, you can feel the seat of the chair. Let yourself just feel that. Let yourself feel your feet on the floor. Whatever your hands are doing, just feel them as well. It doesn't matter whether they're free-floating or holding each other or resting on the thighs or something. It doesn't matter resting on a desk. Just feel them and again feel the feet and again feel the seat. See if you can feel all three zones at once, feet and seat. You don't have to do anything special, it's just kind of recognizing that they're there. Has sensations. And just let me check in that sort of working for you? Are you feeling them?”
2021-12-29 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #560: Zen Master Henry Shukman — 20 Minutes of Calm, Plus the Strange and Powerful World of Koans · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“This is very clear. I hope everybody's sort of okay with this. And by the way, I suppose if anybody's driving, don't follow along, right?”
2021-12-29 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #560: Zen Master Henry Shukman — 20 Minutes of Calm, Plus the Strange and Powerful World of Koans · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Okay. Okay, well, look, let's just see like right now, and I don't know if you would be happy to close your eyes, but it's usually a bit easier if you do.”
2021-12-29 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #560: Zen Master Henry Shukman — 20 Minutes of Calm, Plus the Strange and Powerful World of Koans · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Yeah, it makes it a little bit easier if we can just identify what's going on in a clear, kind matter-of-fact internal voice. I'm feeling a bit overwhelmed. I'm feeling a bit agitated. I'm feeling somewhat distressed. Okay, so the first thing is stating it. Now, there's forks in the road all the way along, so there are lots of ways of doing this. But let's say for somebody who's got a certain amount of sort of somatic awareness, that's to say we can find feelings in the body. I've actually heard you on a podcast saying, I don't know how old the podcast was, like you get the throat and not much else kind of thing. So has that, have you done work on the somatic stuff at all, like feeling things in the body?”
2021-12-29 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #560: Zen Master Henry Shukman — 20 Minutes of Calm, Plus the Strange and Powerful World of Koans · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Again, I'll tell you what I do, but remember this is on the back of decades of being still a bit each day. Because really I'd say the ideal is like this, that we can be still, we might close our eyes and be still and first say, wow, I'm agitated. I'm distressed. Maybe I'm a bit overwhelmed if that's appropriate. Acknowledge it, state it, to declare it, what do they say? To name it is to tame it.”
2021-12-29 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #560: Zen Master Henry Shukman — 20 Minutes of Calm, Plus the Strange and Powerful World of Koans · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“With compassion, that, you know, somehow things have made us be sensitive like this, and we're still, we still know, we know that we still have wounds. And maybe in some sense there's a core wound. And we don't want to close that off. And one way to not close it off is to be ready to accept and allow our states of agitation and distress in the present moment. If we can do that and see how in a way it's a kind of, if it's allowed, it becomes a kind of opening to perhaps a sort of deeper wound, at least there's some recognition that that's there too, and both are allowed, that we have as well as having that. Stuff, we also have all of us come pre installed with access to a sort of wider, more loving In this case, really meaning more self loving awareness our hearts have the capacity to love ourselves. And we need to tap into that.”
2021-12-29 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #560: Zen Master Henry Shukman — 20 Minutes of Calm, Plus the Strange and Powerful World of Koans · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“It's like, okay, here's a highly sensitive creature, a human being. And among human beings, some by temperament have more sensitivity than others. All of us have fluctuations in our levels of sensitivity. And some of us do, I mean, in a sense, do the kind of inner work that leads to more sensitivity. Let's note that in a way to be sensitive to things is a good thing. It means that we're more aware of life, put very broadly. But with it comes the possibility of getting more easily riled up. Those of us who've had, for whatever reasons and whatever shape, traumatic elements in our childhoods, especially also if we are of a sensitive nature, That sort of comes into us. It's a wound that is in us. So when we're allowing ourselves to be in, let's say, an agitated or somehow distressed state when we're allowing that. It helps to also allow”
2021-12-29 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #560: Zen Master Henry Shukman — 20 Minutes of Calm, Plus the Strange and Powerful World of Koans · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Okay, well, look, I mean, first of all, let's acknowledge clearly that that's the situation. There's a system here with a little bit of upregulation. The sediment is churning. So that's the first thing is just to know it, to state it, to be clear about it. This is what I do. And then the second thing, I mean, really the key to the whole thing is letting it be that way.”
2021-12-29 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #560: Zen Master Henry Shukman — 20 Minutes of Calm, Plus the Strange and Powerful World of Koans · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“I really am sort of humbled and very grateful. So let's see. Yeah, so I can totally relate to your question about where you're at right now. I mean, actually, to be honest, I can relate because I've got, I'm in the situation I'm in right now, first of all, talking to Tim Ferris, my God. But then secondly, actually, I've got to do a teaching tonight to something like 400 people as a guest teacher. And so that's a little bit sort of in my system. And tomorrow morning, my wife and I are flying back to the UK for just under two weeks, the first time in two years or more, to see our”
2021-12-29 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #560: Zen Master Henry Shukman — 20 Minutes of Calm, Plus the Strange and Powerful World of Koans · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Okay, thank you so much for asking that. I like it a lot. And it's dear to my heart because, alas, I do have to deal with that. You know, it's not gone, as perhaps it ought to have in some marvelously awakened practitioner or something, but I'm evidently not there yet. So I can definitely, I think I can offer a few tools. But actually, I want to just say I've got to say this, Tim. Thank you very much for having me back. I'm kind of bowled over, actually, amazed. I mean, I know you said it last time, but I thought somehow it'll just get postponed and won't happen. Because, I mean, you know, you have the people you have on are just so sort of amazing. And I'm unknown and weird. So, you know, it's a real honor.”
2021-12-29 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #560: Zen Master Henry Shukman — 20 Minutes of Calm, Plus the Strange and Powerful World of Koans · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT