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Humza Yousaf

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  1. My meeting with the Muslim community be perceived, and you know, I'll do things to go out of my way to make sure people, you know, I'm the only minister, I think, in the Scottish government that's ever attended, and I mean, in the history of the evolution, I think I'd be happy to be challenged in this, that's ever attended a meeting for action, churches in need, you know, the organisation that stands up for Christian communities around the world, because I wanted to make sure a message was sent that I stand with Christian communities that are persecuted right across the world, including in Muslim-majority countries. So sometimes you can be almost in danger of overcompensating. I think that's...

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  2. And then the next day, I remember going to school and sitting in form class, and the same two guys I used to sit beside every single morning and talk about the things that teenage boys talk about, mainly in my case, Celtic football club I loved. And they were bombarding me, not with any maliciousness, which were bombarding me with questions I had no idea the answer to. Why do Muslims hate America? Do you know who was behind it? What was it all about? I'm sitting there going, I don't have a clue, right? And then, of course, all the Islamophobia that followed post-911. But I have to say my position as first minister and even perhaps before then, there is definitely still a deep-rooted systemic and endemic Islamophobia in this country. And Scotland is absolutely not a means to that at all. So, you know, some of the questioning I'll get on certain issues, it will be seen through a lens. because I'm a Muslim. And sometimes I'll do my best to try to counter that. I think even sometimes overcompensate with that. I'll be more wary about goodness.

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  3. Think it's getting worse. Maybe it comes in cycles. But I remember for me, 9-11 was such a seminal moment for me, and that might sound a bit kind of selfish given thousands of miles away and affected and killed so many thousands of Americans. But for me, it was a day I'll always remember when 9-11 took place on a Tuesday, I think, and coming back from school and school bus home, radio was on. You can kind of hear what was going on and the driver was telling us to shut up because he was trying to listen to what was going on. went home and saw all the scenes as you guys would have seen of the terrible tragic terror attack that took place.

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  4. Power of who I am, absolutely. I don't always pray five times a day, but I'll fast during Ramadan. I'll prayer to me as important. My faith helps to keep me grounded. I was at Burns Night last night and my glass was only full of iron brew as opposed to anything stronger. So it's a hugely important part, not just the rituals actually. For me, I get a lot of solace out of the spiritual contemplation of my faith.

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  5. Yeah, I think just not wanting to have to go through the rigmarole of a long, drawn out court case. Our vindication came when the care inspectorate looked at the case and said that they upheld our complaint.

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  6. Nursery, yeah, exactly that as well, and again, it was a gut this isn't right and didn't feel right. So regardless of what position I ever get to in life or any other person of colour gets to in life, I'm afraid that the common bond will always have whether you're labour, S&P, conservative. The common bond is we kind of all get it because we've all endured it, we've all suffered

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  7. Yeah, mom and dad were wanting to move to Leafy Suburbs, Newton Merns, south side of Glasgow. And it's a famous case. It's there in the public domain. They try to view a house and kept getting told by the stage and the homeowners on holiday got an operation. They can't see you. And my dad, my mum just had it in the gut, and people of color have this. We've endured racism for so long that we just know in our gut something ain't quite right. My dad then got his white receptionist Scottish receptionist to phone up. She got an appointment like that the next day. I said, nah, that ain't right. And she decided to take them to court and won.

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  8. Yeah, but I don't know too much about all their backgrounds, but yes, I mean, middle class background and to pretend otherwise would be foolish. But the thing that bonds us and the thing we can never ever get away from, even as First Minister or Mayor of London or Sajid or Anas in their positions is we, I am afraid we're always in this country be seen by some people through our skin colour first or religion first. And that's been my experience. I can remember the first time I've ever felt racism or jewed racism primary three, seven, eight years old. I remember my mum who's been a massive influence in me in tears coming home because she had to explain to us that they were about to take an estate agent to court because the estate agent denied them the viewing of a house because of a business.

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  9. The absolute court. I'd been SNP 1970, 74. I think he joined the SNP, clapping away and cheering. And I think it's great. And I think there is a common bond. And Sadiq Khan I've known for a long, long time. And I think my officials found it really strange. First time I met Sadiq Khan as First Minister, a group of officials with me. And, you know, if you come into these meetings usually and there's a handshake and we sit down and Sarah came big bear hug. And actually I just ask officials to give us five minutes so we could just catch up about family and so on before we got into the hard politics. I think there's a common bond there and I think I find it really upsetting those who suggest that somehow multiculturalism has failed when actually the evidence is far from it.

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  10. It's hugely interesting. I mean, I take great pride in it. I also really challenge, I think, people who tell me that multiculturalism has failed, particularly actually people of colour in the Conservatives who often say to me multiculturalism has failed, wait a minute, you've got a Hindu, British Prime Minister, as you've said, Mayor of London from the subcontinent background, myself and First Minister's position. And as you mentioned, Anis. And if I think about before, Anas, of course, his father was a great inspiration to me, actually, Muhammad Saw. I remember an event where Muhammad Sawar had just got elected 1997, and we had the Spax and Welfare Trust in her. Happens every year. 600 people in the Incheon Hotel, Erskine Hotel in Inshan. And I remember Mohammed Sawar walked in. This is a couple of months after he got elected. Election would have been in May. Then I would have been the end of June, July. And people were standing on the tables cheering as though a rock star had coming. And even my dad, who was S&P today.

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  11. I mean, fairly typical immigrant story. My mum was born in Kenya, so one of the Asians who moved to East Africa and came here when she was seven, eight years old. The father was a bit older. He came from Pakistan. And interestingly, they went to the same school in the south side of Glasgow. Bell Houston High School and didn't know each other then, but ended up getting married later in life. And that had a tough upbringing, actually. Dad had a really tough upbringing. His mother died when he was 15, 16 from cancer. And unfortunately, his father was not great with him after the death. And basically they had to move out of the house with their siblings, many of them younger than him, you know, he was 18 and the rest of them much younger than that. And he had to basically bring up his little brothers and sisters. So it was a bit of a tough upbringing for him.

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  12. Oh no, no, no. Some of them do, some of them didn't vote for independence, wouldn't vote for independence despite me trying to persuade them for 20-odd years. No, no, we come from. I think most of them probably now do write enough, but one or two of them still need converted. But they're just still to be worked on. But why I like hanging around with them is because when I hang around with them, I'm not First Minister. I'm just Hamza and they'll rip me to shreds.

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  13. That's too many with 1560. You know, I'm so lucky the friends. So the friends I've got, the kind of group is six that I've got are ones that I grew up with, and we've known each other for some of us over 30 years. And I don't see them nearly as often as I'd like, but I saw them over their Christmas holidays, for example, made a point of going to one of the houses for dinner and so on. And randomly playing ping pong till two in the morning, which was strange.

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  14. Example on Monday, 7 o'clock to 8 o'clock, my team, my private office knows unless there is an absolute emergency that nobody else I'll do my box at 5 p.m. on a Sunday till 8 or whatever I need to do. I'm going to try to use Sunday to make sure I take my kid to soft play and don't get me wrong my security people are wonderful and brilliant when I first told him look I'm going to keep taking my kids to the park and this off play and to the trampoline park and they raised an eyebrow too but they've been fantastic and been brilliant so I make sure I supposed to answer your question that I get as much family time as I can and protected family time as much as I can but you can never truly be have a private life I mean

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  15. Genuinely were saying to him because he was talking about his kids and keeping his kids out and the advice that I would give. Here is draw your boundaries Really early on, really early on. So I didn't do that, as I mentioned, failed marriage over it. My relationship with my parents and sisters and siblings just became more difficult during that period when I didn't draw boundaries, you know, remarried, got kids, and I'm really strict with my boundaries.

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  16. I think, first of all, you have to accept that you do not have a private life. I'm sorry, I can't put out any simpler to that. I actually spoke to Kier about this recently. We crossed paths at COP28 and I was just having a brief chance I said, look, let's have a proper sit-down. And I've written to him and not quite a response yet. I'm sure it's just lost in the mail, but it's coming soon.

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  17. So I think you don't go into the job of First Minister without realizing every single day is going to be stressful as your intro. It rightly reminds me every day is full of its stresses and strains and difficulties. Very different when you're a minister, cabinet secretary, because there will be times when there's strains and stresses and health secretary almost feels like it is every single day. But as first minister, you've got the overview. Everything rests with you. And it's not just First Minister as leader of the party as well. And then there's the strains and stresses of everyday personal life, which you've gone and you've talked about some of that already. So I think it is really a good thing to do before you hit crisis point.

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  18. 100. I actually thought if they know about it, I'll not be in a job. I don't think that would be the case. I think Nicola would have been perfectly understanding, as would my government colleagues. John Spinete, who have always been close to, I think these people would have been very understanding. But it was just you didn't hear about ministers with mental health challenges. If they had mental health challenges, they left the job and I didn't feel like I wanted to necessarily leave at that point. But yeah, I didn't tell anybody actually. Nobody actually knew about it. And even I was really nervous. It was my friend who said, look, I know somebody, you know, they are very trustworthy, confidence. You know, you shouldn't worry about that. And just you need to take some time out. And it was the best thing I ever did. But no, actually, you're giving me a really good reminder. I should absolutely be checking in.

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  19. Say, the first person I saw wasn't actually somebody to help with counselling, was a friend who was a psychiatrist, and I called him and he said, look, I think instead of talking to me, you need to go talk to somebody who can really talk through the issues that you're dealing with. I never spoke to Nickel about it, never spoke to any of my colleagues about it.

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  20. I haven't actually, and that's to my detriment. And I absolutely should check in because it is important. And I learned a lesson far too late. I remember it well. I remember the day that I knew I needed help. And I was Transport Minister, my marriage, first marriage had broken down at a really tough time I was having. I remember it was middle of difficult weather, transport minister is always a difficult job. And yeah, I didn't really feel I had anybody to turn to. I remember actually just a whole day passing and I didn't, I literally did not move from the right hand side of my city for a whole 24 hours I didn't move, didn't get up to drink water, didn't go to the toilet, didn't eat anything. And I remember just almost being in a state of breakdown and crying and upset and not really understanding what I was upset at, but then at that point, 24 hours later, knowing I needed help.

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  21. I was feeling relatively calm before I came in, and now you've just reminded me of all the worries and stresses that I have to do with this. Thank you.

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