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1. “Our hearts are broken, and I know I don't sound like a reporter now. I sound like a person who loves her country very much, and the people of Israel, not only the country, first and foremost, the people, and more than anybody I care now for those who Lost their lives, and those that we can still say in Gaza. I think of the mother with a two red-headed small kids. I think of her and I think of the 200 hostages. So our hearts are broken, but we are not. And I thank you from the bottom of my heart for your care and your thoughts and your prayers. And we do hope for better days to come.”

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2. “The refugees problem can be somehow solved not within the state of Israel, the water problem, the settlements, everything perhaps can be solved. But can the sentiment be reversed? Can they come to terms with the fact that we are here to stay? Can they come to terms with the fact that we have no other place on the face of the earth? Can they come to terms with the fact that many Israelis would love to reach their hand if only there was a hand on the other side? October 7th was destructive for any kind of naivety that was still here.”

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3. “Military solutions are not good for everything, particularly not for this kind of conflict which is both political and territorial and in a way religious one. So some kind of compromise will have to be stricken. But you know what? The problem is, David, many Israelis who wanted compromise Don't believe it can happen anymore. That's the real problem. They were slapped in the face. After the second Intifada, the suicide After the fiasco in Camp David, After the disengagement, And now after October So, even those of us who want to believe that the compromise is possible You can somehow divide this piece of land between the sea and the river, that you can find some kind of binational, international extraterritorial solution for Jerusalem.”

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4. “Her husband is 82 or 83 years old. He used to drive Palestinian people, sick people, from the border point to Israeli hospitals, volunteering to drive them to Israeli hospitals so that they can get the care they need. This is not a story of a naive kibbutznik. This is part of the story of Israel, of so many people within Israeli society who see the end of the conflict in some kind of coexistence in a way some of them got a slap in the face on October 7th. Now, if you're trying to ask me, and that's a fair question, that's a fair question, is everything you thought before October 7th false now? Is it all gone? Did it all evaporate? No. Know one thing Palestinians living in the West Bank are going nowhere. Neither are we, so some solution one day with a God that I not believe in God's help, something will have to happen.”

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5. “What have you done? How come Gaza became what it became? David, Gaza became what it became first and foremost because a group of Islamic jihadists, terrorists, bloodthirsty militants took over Gaza. They threw gaze from the roofs. They shot at their knees of opponents, of Palestinian opponents. And they did what they did October 7th. This is Hamas. So I got to make the separation. If I want to seek the truth, I got to make the separation and say what happened to my people. Listen, you should listen to these people from the kibbutzim. You know, one of, I'm sure you heard the lady who was released.”

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6. “In terms of the facts, David's occupation in Gaza ended in 2005 with the disengagement. But even if I acknowledge part of what you say in terms of conditions of living and in terms of the fact that Gaza was never a paradise, in front of the horror of October 7th, it all pales. I mean, the conditions in Gaza and even Israeli policies can maybe explain many things. They cannot explain not only justify, let alone justify. They cannot even explain nothing of that. And I'm saying it because you flattered me in a sense to make me confront some kind of truth. I understand. And he said, you're trying to say, listen, if you're a journalist, seeking the truth, go ahead. Go after the truth. Where have you been?”

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7. “The Americans said so. And when he says that we will smash Hamas and we will go in and we will go all, you know, all the way, he has to delay because the Americans insist on exhausting all options for negotiations over a deal to rescue the hostages. So the Americans are here and they are here to stay and it's for the sake of Israel, but for the sake of America as well.”

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8. “In Israel and around Israel, but it comes with a price. It comes with the price of American involvement. And you have a gloss over that, which has to do with the sentiment. The president, both in his speech immediately after the massacre and in his speech here in Israel, spoke like the biggest Zionist, like the most Israel-loving president Israel has ever known. And so I think the Israelis are grateful, but Israelis are also aware of the fact that the Americans have a stake and a say in what is going to happen here. So when Netanyahu says no humanitarian aid will be provided to the Palestinians in Gaza, then he has to reckon with the fact that humanitarian aid will be provided to the Palestinians in Gaza.”

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9. “Is one more thing that Netanyahu will have to be accountable for after the war, the fact that the situation in which we are these days led to the fact that the Americans are providing Israel with unprecedented economic and military assistance and presence with two aircraft carriers and other military equipment and military presence of both men and hardware.”

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10. “I know there are innocent people in Gaza. The difference is that Israel is not aiming at them. Israel is trying to solve a problem which is perhaps unsolvable. But David, think of another country. Do you know of any other country, particularly a Western country, who is living on the verge of a volcano, who has led such a monstrous entity thrive and rise on the other side of the border? Israel has to manage it. Now, can it be done with no collateral damage? Unfortunately not. Can it be done at any cost? Of course not. I don't think that Israel wants or can do it at any cost. That's why the United States, as I told you, is with both hands on the wheel. So I guess the rope is not very long and the window of opportunity is not very big.”

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11. “And his father celebrated. And his mother congratulating. And they tell him we are proud of you. We would be glad to be there with you. And he tells them her blood is on my hands. I took her phone. So when I think about the young musician from Gaza that I know personally, she's a pianist. Her parents are there. She's worried as a hell. I have no good answers for her, but I have answers for myself.”

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12. “No, no, but there's something that needs to be said there. There's nobody I respect who is happy to see these images from Gaza, images of destroyed neighborhoods of Refugees. But bear in mind, David, that when you try to understand how come Hamas has took over Gaza? So yes, President Biden was right. Not all Palestinians are Hamas, but Hamas wouldn't be there as strong and as well established in Gaza. Were it not for the support of the Palestinian population that shelters them, harbors them, votes for them, supports them, you know, there was a tape released yesterday in Israel of a terrorist who was part of this horrific attack on October 7th, taking a cell phone of an Israeli young woman, calling his parents in Gaza and telling them, listen, I killed an Israelis.”

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13. “Archaeologists volunteering to try and sow the ashes to find human remains. So I can tell you of a society that is becoming, how did President Bush say, a kinder, gentler nation? You can see that. And out of that and the resilience of Israelis, something better must come out of it. We will heal as a nation. I know that. And I prayed to the God that I don't believe in. This beautiful communities in the south will be rebuilt. It will happen only if Israel can secure their lives. So it goes together with the outcomes of this war that we are headed to. Israel will rise. Israel is rise always. But you need to tangle what will happen with our enemies from Hamas to Iran, from Lebanon to the West Bank, I don't think that anybody knows. Not now. Not at this point in time.”

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14. “From this crisis. I'll tell you how I know, because one of the biggest, perhaps the biggest protest organization that led the protest over the last year against the judicial overall Brothers in arms, the reservists against the judicial overall, became the biggest voluntary organization operating now, offering help, assistance, equipment, transportation, evacuation services, mental health services, anything that people from the south need. I can tell you that a young woman from Maimoshab, from my community, is operating a headquarter with a thousand volunteers doing, you know what, preparing flowers for funerals. I can tell you about Hasidic Orthodox who came to a military base the other day offering their services to identify bodies. I can tell you that I was in the south the other day and I saw archaeologists.”

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15. “Piece of land between the sea and the river, the belief in the possibility of neutralizing the will of some of our enemies to be done with us, to be done with the idea of a sovereign state which is a national home for the Jewish people? Is there a chance that something good will come out of it? I don't know. I don't know anything about it. I know that as a society within. Israeli society, we will find the forces. I know.”

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16. “I cannot even see next week, David. Thinking about my son in law. I'm thinking My best friend Whose son is also now in the military? I'm thinking about Those kibbutznikim. Running from one Shiva and one funeral to the other. I'm thinking about Verid, the woman that I told you about her before, whom I visited in our Shiva the other day. She is grieving her husband and her son in the same house. Her brother is grieving his son in the same house, their father is grieving his wife, and so the simple answer to your question is that we are so far away from thinking about how this How we come out of this crisis? What kind of people will become after this crisis? Will we lose the Treads of naivety that some of us still had the belief in humankind? Belief in the possibility of sharing”

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17. “These people were no colonizer. You know, David, I'll tell you the last story about another woman, 70 something year old. She was a peace activist. There's an organization, Women for Peace. She spent her day three days before the massacre in a joint event of Palestinian and Israeli mothers. And she was murdered on October 7th. She was no colonizer. Somebody has to understand. Somebody has to understand that the discussion about occupation, about the rights of the Palestinian people, about the policies of the Israeli government has nothing to do with October 7th. Nothing whatsoever. What happened in October 7th happened when Israel is not in Gaza. There's no occupation in Gaza. There are lots of problems in Gaza. There's a lot to do in Gaza. But it has nothing to do with thousands of terrorists storming into peaceful.”

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18. “I did a story about them. Her son, Nitzan, was the sensitive of her four sons, and he was texting her and his older brother I want to be with you guys. I'm alone, I'm scared to death. They are coming now. I can hear them. They are shooting me. I'm wounded. They found his body only a week and a half late. His father of Fir Lipstein was the head of the regional county. Was trying to build An international industrial park for engineers from Gaza to make a decent living is Ophir Liechtenstein a colonizer.”

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19. “And they were talking to him about occupation, about colonization, about Israelis being colonizers And he was telling them, look at this grandmother. Does she look like a colonizer? Look at Shlomo from another kibbutz, who sat alone in the living room, David, for the terrorists to kill him so that he can save his beloved wife and two daughters and grandson, who are in the shelter, because he figured if the terrorists see him alone, they would think there's nobody else in the house. And so he saved them. And my son Zor asked me, Is he a colonizer? I interviewed a young woman whose husband was killed. He was the head of the county council, of the regional council in the south. She lost him that day and she lost her son who bled to death in his apartment in the kibbutz.”

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20. “We are thinking about this boy about another young girl that we know with special needs that is there. I'll tell you a story about. Another young girl with special needs with Father used to take her to music festivals on the wheelchair everywhere he could. He would dance with her, he would sing with her. Were both murdered at this party in the south. I tell you about another girl with autism. Her name is Noia. Her picture got viral because there was a photo of her dressed like her Mayone from Harry Potter. And the one thing that she loved was to stay for a sleepover at her grandma's apartment in the kibbutz. And they were found dead together. The grandmother, granddaughter. In my 27 year old son, Could not stop watching this photo. And he told me about those. Radical liberals that he's communicating with over social media.”

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21. “open a new era, to start from the beginning. But frankly, David, we don't know. We don't know. If you learn history, no one can survive. Such a terrible catastrophe, such a terrible loss of life, affect over 220 Israelis are held in Gaza. I could never even imagine. I could never even imagine the photos of these people just taken, you know, on motorcycles, on tractors. On pickups for that.”

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22. “Yes, but Netanyahu is not Goldamir. Israel of 2023 is not Israel of 1973. Netanyahu's Rasp over his face is like nothing you can imagine. And if we will go, if he goes, he will not go quietly. I mean, he will give a fight. That's my feeling. But you have to bring into account that. Pain and grief will very quickly translate into rage. Huge and high wave of public rage. And I'm not sure that liquid, let alone Netanyahu, that Liquud party will be able to survive that wave of rage. And they start to talk about senior ministers within Liquid who understand That they will have to do something and they will have to take responsibility and they will have to make sure that Israel is able Go ahead”

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23. “Perceived as Weaker than we used to be. Not because of the judicial reform, but because of the protest against the judicial overhaul, it was the government's responsibility to hit the brake, to stop it, and to understand that Israel doesn't have the luxury of deteriorating into such a rift when tensions ran high and the Israeli social fabric was falling apart. And every dimension of our life was damaged economic, social, national security, military, everything. And so if something was broken on October 7th, it sits on prior things that were broken. Our politics was broken during the last year. Our social fabric was broken during the last year. In a way, our national security started to break during the last year. And then October 7th.”

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24. “But just to finish the answer about. And so Netanyahu never admitted, never uttered the word, I am responsible, at least because it happened on his watch. But there's another point. I was talking to a very senior official in the security community in Israel, and he told me, you know what? When they were Netanyahu and his political partners were advancing the judicial overhaul, and we, the security guys, the security establishment, we were telling them this is hurting Israel's national security. This is hurting unity, solidarity, and capability of Israeli security forces, the Air Force, the intelligence, the elite units in which reservists were manifesting their protest against the judicial overhaul. And tells me this guy, he says, even if Netanyahu blames the protest and not the judicial overall itself, even if he thinks That the enemy”

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25. “So the military has responsibility to bear, and the chief of staff was the first one to admit, I am responsible. We didn't deliver the goods. So did the head of the Shinbet of the Security Service, and so did the head of the military intelligence. The only one who didn't say the word until now is Bibi Netanyahu. He didn't say I'm responsible, although it happened on his watch, although the policy containing Hamas and retaining Hamas, holding Hamas at bay, partly to make sure that the Palestinian Authority is weaker. Is Netanyahu's policy to make sure that the Palestinian Authority doesn't get the statute that it might want to get, this is Netanyahu's policy.”

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26. “Tell you, David, even the first opponents of Netanyahu cannot negate the fact that this blindness and fiasco is to a large extent a military fiasco. The intelligence was blinded, the military was unprepared, it's unthinkable that something like that will be prepared and advanced. And launched by Hamas without us knowing anything, anything.”

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27. “Conventional wisdom is that Hezbollah will not launch an offensive. Question is, what can Israel do in the south? And can it truly change reality over there and in what price?”

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28. “Feels like the last time that I remember an existential threat was in the 73, the Yom Kippur War. And I remember asking my father, I was a primary school student, is it possible that the Syrias will get to Haifa? Or to Tiberius. And he said, don't worry, it's going to be okay. It was okay eventually. And this time it feels like all of a sudden, unexpected, you know, this country of ours in which people eat sushi. And they get deliveries from Amazon and they have high-tech firms and they have multi-billion dollar exits and they fly for skiing in Europe and they have apartments in New York and we are living the good life. It's a Western country. And all of a sudden we are back in the existential mode and it's both weird and frightening. But again, on the other hand, if you come back to the basic facts.”

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29. “The leader of Hispana. Problem is that you can never know there can be a spark that escalates everything. It can happen in a hospital in Gaza, which we didn't truth. We didn't attack. But something can happen. Accidents can happen. Unexpected stuff happens in wars. It can happen in Lebanon or in Gaza or in the West Bank, which can also be lit on fire from some reason, which is also, there's no, it's not a very calm neighborhood either. So you cannot know. Israel has a priority now, which is the Gaza border. Israel has a priority now, which is Hamas. Israel is trying to keep the northern border quiet, as quiet as possible. It is not quiet. There are attacks and anti-tank missiles from there every day, and the IDF is operating there every day, and the IDF operated in Aleppo just this tonight. And I got to tell you it.”

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30. “The easy answer is that I don't know that the bad news is that I think nobody knows. Not even the other side. I mean, the conventional wisdom is that Iran doesn't want to sacrifice Hezbollah for the sake of Hamas. So that's the best news that we can think of. Hezbollah is there in Lebanon as a proxy of Iran, not as a tool to protect Hamas. In that case, there is no incentive for Nasrallah to launch an offensive against Israel.”

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31. “Two baby twins in the crib silent, alive but silent. So you feel like you know everybody and you know many of them. There's a young producer from our radio station. She was twenty two years old. She worked with me up until a year ago and they were looking for her for days. They didn't find her. She is the sister of the producer of the party, of this huge music festival. And eventually they found her back.”

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32. “On the ground. You can see books by my favorite poet on the ground, half of them burned. And yes, so there's a feeling that you know already, even the people that you didn't know, because we know their names. And now I walk through the gardens of the kibbutz and I see this name. And I know that this is a mother was kidnapped to Gaza with her two red-haired kids. One is three years old and one is nine months old. I can see the other house of a news photographer. who was murdered his wife was murdered. His three-year-old kid was kidnapped alone to Gaza. The other two kids were hiding in the closet and were rescued. Another family that the paratroopers stormed into their house at the end of this terrible Saturday and I heard the commanders say that he found the parents handcuffed and shot to death.”

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33. “Or missing seven more are known to be kidnapped. You should see the table of funerals. You should see the names I'm walking the kibbutz, you know, houses destroyed, burnt to the ground. You can see the photos, you know these photos every Jewish family has of the family that survived the Holocaust, of those who didn't survive. And you can see this is the only thing left. The photos.”

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34. “I can tell you that I have a second cousin on my mother's side who grew up in a kibbutz and then she started a family in a kibbutz further south near Os, which is really next to the border. Her daughter is missing, probably kidnapped to Gaza. She's desperate. And I asked her, is she tough enough? And she said, you know, she's tough, but she needs her medicine because she grew up in a kibbutz who is constantly showered by rockets. She needs her medicine, and I don't know how she's doing. And I got to tell you, David, I was in the south the other day. And I was walking through the path, the beautiful path of Kibbutzk Faraza. It's one of the kibbutzim which was most badly hurt by this attack. 70 of its members are either killed”

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35. “For Gilad Shalit, Bibi Netanyahu signed this deal. And also, you know, Israel would send airplanes to rescue a traveler, a tourist who broke his leg in Nepal or Kathmandu or someone who was kidnapped in the jungles of Colombia or someone who is stuck in an earthquake in Uzbekistan. It's part of Jewish ethos, it's part of the Israeli ethos. Government will do everything. We leave nowhere behind. We leave no wounded behind. We leave no MIAs behind. We leave no prisoners of war behind. So that's part of our ethos. It's part of the fact that in Israel you don't have six degrees of separation, not even two degrees of separation. Everybody knows everybody. You know how many people know people who were kidnapped? You know how many people know people who are murdered? You know how many people are going to funerals now and to Shivas?”

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36. “Now Gaza will wait. First, we go to the bottom line and we rescue the hostages, and bear in mind David, this is part of the Israeli ethos.”

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37. “Of American citizens, but also because, as I said, America is having our back, but it's back as well. And the other point is, and you can see in columns and texts and broadcasts in Israel during the past, say, four days, public opinion here is changing because the shock and the aftershock of the attack itself resulted in very high support for the government. But now you can see more and more columnists and pundits and reporters writing stuff like one of the most senior ones. He says, it's possible, it's even mandatory to stop the ground offensive and do everything we can do for the sake of the hostages. And another one said this morning in the radio, there's no rationale. There's no rush. Our towns were already set on fire.”

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38. “If only Israel delays the ground offensive. But this window of opportunity is short, right? And so the question is, will the government decide to delay the ground offensive for the sake of the hostages? It seems like it will. For how long? We don't know. It's very obvious that the Americans are, you know, with both hands on the wheel and they want a deal stricken, being stricken partly because you have tens of...”

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39. “That's what the military would tell me. I was speaking to a senior military officer the other day. He took parts in the fights in the kibbutzin. He will take part in the war when it starts. And he told me Israeli leadership will not survive even one day. If we don't come back from this war, assuring the Israeli public there is no Hamas across the border. Can we do it? That's another question. But the other clock ticking is the clock of the hostages because Hamas will be and is signally given today through Qatar. Hamas will be willing. Engage in negotiations and to cut a deal, at least with regard to civilians, elderly women and men, babies and women.”

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40. “Yeah, to the larger question, I think we have two clocks ticking here opposite to one another. One has to do with Israeli deterrence. There's a sense within the military, within the brass, within the security establishment, that if Israel doesn't act now with a ground offencing, with boots on the ground, with an aggressive march into Gaza to take hold of Hamas strongholds, to destroy Hamas infrastructure, to kill Hamas leaders, both political and military leaders, to neutralize the ability of this operation to threaten Israeli citizens and communities and national security if we don't do it now, then our deterrence will be done in overwhelming. And you know when you are a villa in the jungle, when you live in a violent neighborhood such as ours, you cannot lack weakness. Be seen, and you cannot be the weak guy on the block.”

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41. “Exactly, the false sense of security The sense that we got to do something was somehow numb because of Arendome. But that's, yeah, it's like we had something which was too successful”

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42. “It's not only rockets, it's not only rockets. You see, David, we were reckoning with rockets because of think about it. Perhaps Iron Dome was the biggest obstacle because if we didn't have...”

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43. “Coming together, and there's a sense here that this war cannot end until something very deep changes. I don't know if Hamas will be over and done with, will it be destroyed? Will it be done until the last bullet, the last rocket, the last fighter? I don't know. But something will have to change. This monster on the other side of the fence cannot exist there anymore.”

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44. “Was vibrating with the sounds of Jewish tragedy, which we thought that will never hit us again. So that's, I guess, the deeper sense. There's one difference. There's one difference Are not in the ghetto anymore. And the fact that Israel is a sovereign independent, powerful, thriving state on the one hand, it's the bad news because it should never happen to us, right? But the good news is that Israeli society and civic forces and the Israeli military. Is getting back on its feet. And you can see stuff that I've never seen in Israel for many, many years. You can see society coming together. So there's something to the fact that Israelis are much more united on October 8th and October 18 and October 28th than in October 6th. And with much more solidarity, And although something was broken on October 7th, Think as a nation We are not broken”

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45. “Is hitting us Yet another time, and that's after you and I as Jewish people were saying and reciting never again, never again. And all of a sudden it happens again. We are the victims. We are helpless. The mother with a seventeen year old daughter were trying to hold the door not letting the turret come in were helpless. The other young woman who was alone in her house kidnapped by the terrorist 85-year-old woman, she was helpless when they took her on a motorcycle to Gaza. She was helpless. The two young kibbutz members that I saw with my own eyes in a terrible video released this week. Coming back to the kibbutz, being shot at their car, coming out of the car and executed point blank, they were helpless. David, we were never helpless ever since this country was founded. So Israel of October 6th was the post-Holocaust Israel. Israel of October 8th. All of a sudden,”

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46. “Well, there are two dimensions to this question and to the answer. The first is the practical one, and we'll talk about it, I guess, later. Is really about to launch an offensive attack on the ground? Yes. Is it delayed? Yes. Is it delayed? Partly because the Americans are involved more than ever watching us from our enemies, but also watching us from ourselves. Yes. Is Biden and Blinken, are they much more involved than getting into the intricacies of the managing of this war? Yes. Is there a window of opportunity to rescue the hostages more than 220 hostages that we have in Gaza? Yes, and we'll talk about it. But where does Israel go from here? The bigger question, the deeper question, I think is, first of all, reckoning with the fact that Israel is not the same place. You know why? Because for the first time, I think ever since 1945, we felt like Jewish tragedy.”

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47. “Our Prime Minister and the previous Prime Ministers, our brass and previous brass for years we got caught in this conception which turned out to be a misconception. Like somebody sedated us, like somebody, you know, like somebody blinded us much before they blinded our cameras and our watch points and our soldiers. We were blinded.”

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48. “And that's what they decided to do. But I'm trying to tell Gonen and I'm trying to tell you, David, this is no case in which I can look at both sides of the equation. There's no symmetry here, David. Israel was attacked by a group of bloodthirsty terrorists. It was an unprovoked attack. And we got into this terrible catastrophe exactly because we wanted this border to be peaceful and silent because we believed that it is possible to contain, to entertain, to live with, to manage, to somehow come to terms, to somehow keep Hamas at bay. If only they get more work permits, if only they get more money, if only they get more well-being, if only they get to manage their lives, that's what we thought all of us.”

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49. “My youngest is a musician, he's a trumpet player, and he's studying in a music academy in Berlin of all places, David. It's the Baron Bum Said Academy, launched by Daniel Barrenboim. Peace loving Israeli, extreme left-wing, and Edward Saeed, the famous Palestinian intellectual. Gonen is studying there with young musicians from Gaza, from Ramallah, from Tehran, from Beirut, from Turkey, from all over the Arab world. And he told me he was trying to make sense of what's happening, of the fact that these guys are friends, good friends of his, but some of them are celebrating what Hamas was doing. And then when they had a concert the day before yesterday, he approached a friend of him, a friend of his, a Palestinian guy from Ramala. He said, perhaps we approach the maestro and we ask him to start with a minute of silence.”

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50. “Are relatives of our political correspondent in the radio station for which I broadcast, and they were trying to hold the door so that the tourist will not be able to enter the shelter. The tourists were dropping grenades and firing all over the place and trying to storm into the shelter. The father was holding the door, but then they started fire. Hamas was starting a fire in the apartment, so the door became hot as hell and the father had to make a decision. So the whole family jumps through the window. and they hide behind a bush, but then the terrorist detects them and executes. The two parents and the elder kid and the younger ones, the two younger ones, just hid under the bodies of their family members. And that's how they were saved. So we are David for the last two and a half weeks. I feel like I'm drowning.”

    2023-10-26 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 554 — Ilana Dayan · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source