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Imran Ahmed

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“Want to have this fight. I think it's an important fight to have. I think it is a fight about what the true censorship is. And I think it's time that we puncture this nonsensical debate that's been going on in America for the last five years about whether or not criticizing Elon Musk is de facto censorship. No, Elon. He said this is great. When this was all announced, he was like, this is great. The great free speech absolutely said, this is great. No, this is censorship. When you're told that you're going to be split from your family because of the things that you say and advocate, that is censorship. And we've got to all, it doesn't matter if you're a Republican or Democrat. You can't let any president have that power. I've got to fight this and I've got to win it.”
2026-01-12 · On with Kara Swisher · Imran Ahmed Researches Online Hate. Trump Wants to Deport Him · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“I'm quite weak at that because I'm fundamentally a dork and I'm not very good at it. I named my organization the Center for Countering Digital Hate because I was like, I can't be bothered explaining what it does. So I'm just going to put it in the name.”
2026-01-12 · On with Kara Swisher · Imran Ahmed Researches Online Hate. Trump Wants to Deport Him · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“I mean, look, I'm way back in court in two months' time. The government didn't oppose extending the restraining order for a couple of months. And they gave us a fairly leisurely briefing schedule. So we're back in court in a couple of months. If I can use this targeting to help more people to hear about Section 230, that gets me closer today to the day when everyone in America knows that it exists. And I think the day after everyone in America knows that it exists, it stops existing.”
2026-01-12 · On with Kara Swisher · Imran Ahmed Researches Online Hate. Trump Wants to Deport Him · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“There's different ways that you could do this. So, I would argue that the status quo is so Is so bad and moving in such a bad direction that actually radical action might be okay. And fundamentally, why are they given any protections at all? There are people like Mary Ann Frank and Daniel Citron, brilliant legal theorists who've talked about saying that you're liable immediately, that actually it should be where there's knowing indifference to harm. So when you're killing kids, you know about it and you just kind of go. And you know that those guys Behave that way, then”
2026-01-12 · On with Kara Swisher · Imran Ahmed Researches Online Hate. Trump Wants to Deport Him · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Here's my thesis. If everyone in America knew about the existence of Section 230 tomorrow, the day after Section 230 would no longer exist, because overwhelmingly when people realize that special protections are given to one industry, they say that's not fair. And Americans believe in fair. It's why I love being in America. I'm competitive. I like competing. I like being surrounded by people who are hyper-competitive because it makes me better at what I do, but there have to be rules. There has to be fair competition. And social media platforms being given a special dispensation. Screw that. That is fundamentally un-American.”
2026-01-12 · On with Kara Swisher · Imran Ahmed Researches Online Hate. Trump Wants to Deport Him · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Because I think once we realize that they're not just putting red dye into our information ecosystem, they are pumping uranium into it.”
2026-01-12 · On with Kara Swisher · Imran Ahmed Researches Online Hate. Trump Wants to Deport Him · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“They never have, not once. Not even Musk sued us for defamation Because we are good at what we do. And we know that we might get sued for defamation of the world's biggest companies. Of course, we're triple-checking everything. But look, speech itself. I've always had First Amendment very important that you keep it to where the law is already. And some kinds of speech are dangerous and tortuous and that you may end up being sued for them. And that creates a hard barrier on that. But the other stuff let's tell us how we're being manipulated and then see if advertisers and the public still want to use your platform. Transparency is the key. If tomorrow there was universal data access for all those guys, you know, at Stanford, you know, Stanford and Harvard and at CCDH and everywhere else, we could actually understand these platforms better. I think the game's over.”
2026-01-12 · On with Kara Swisher · Imran Ahmed Researches Online Hate. Trump Wants to Deport Him · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“This is what worries me about what's happening right now, you know. Interestingly, there's been no sanctions on Australia for having a ban on social media. What they are resisting most, what both the... So Elon, when he sued us, the actual talk in the lawsuit was that you broke the rules of our platform which ban people from taking data from the platform for research. There is a through line through all of this. We're now being punished apparently because the European Commission said you need to have transparency. CCDH is a research organization that uses research to hold up a mirror to these platforms. Again and again and again, the thing they're most scared of, Kara, is transparency. Yes, they are. And watchdogs who are able to get data and create understanding for people.”
2026-01-12 · On with Kara Swisher · Imran Ahmed Researches Online Hate. Trump Wants to Deport Him · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Ton of Republican states are currently considered, and some have already passed Bands on. So, yes, we may not get one at federal level, but actually, I think you'd be surprised. I think sentiment is moving so fast that legislation always lags sentiment. And sentiment grows, you know, linear, but legislation's binary. So like at some point it flips from zero to one, right? So like the sentiment grows. And I think that we may see something and it will require talented advocates, will require people who go out there and make the arguments who can actually overcome the millions being spent by big tech. I think that's what I think that's why CCDH has been targeted. We're actually quite good at what we do. We understand how to create the precise fact patterns that drive action. We know we're quite clever in picking areas in making these arguments in emotive and clever ways and also speaking to legislators in a way that they understand on a bipartisan basis on the board of CCDH, we've got conservatives. You know, we've got everyone.”
2026-01-12 · On with Kara Swisher · Imran Ahmed Researches Online Hate. Trump Wants to Deport Him · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“That's a publishing decision by the platform. When you make a recommendation to someone, you are essentially making an editorial decision, you are suggesting to them that that's something that you think they should watch next. And that's what I find so pernicious about it is that...”
2026-01-12 · On with Kara Swisher · Imran Ahmed Researches Online Hate. Trump Wants to Deport Him · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Filled you up with ads. We do look at YouTube and YouTube has got a problem. We just did a study called Anorexia Algorithm looking at how YouTube was recommending anorexia content to children. And YouTube have promised again and again and again that they won't do it. YouTube have got this and you will know this that because they had the image of being really cool, they're very good at managing their image that they got away with it and people kind of figure that YouTube probably wouldn't be as bad, but YouTube is YouTube is a systemically mendacious when it comes to covering up the way that their algorithms work in practice and their inability to deal with the flood of dangerous content on there.”
2026-01-12 · On with Kara Swisher · Imran Ahmed Researches Online Hate. Trump Wants to Deport Him · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“At a fundamental level, and this is one of the things that I really believe in as an organization, we were designed to look at the spread of the stuff that hurts people in the real world. Grammy's reality to accept the things I cannot change, the wisdom, the courage to change the things I can, the wisdom to know the difference. I don't do search platforms. We look at social media and AI platforms specifically. Corey Doctor and others have written about enchantification and how essentially once Google won the franchise for search, they then”
2026-01-12 · On with Kara Swisher · Imran Ahmed Researches Online Hate. Trump Wants to Deport Him · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Numbers, he said we have to have rules and we need to enforce those rules because then once you go past a certain point of being violative, it drops to zero.”
2026-01-12 · On with Kara Swisher · Imran Ahmed Researches Online Hate. Trump Wants to Deport Him · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“And we know this from study after study after study that shows that emotionally effective content actually gets the most engagement. And so essentially what it means is hate gets more engagement, often people being pissed off at it and actually tolerance gets less engagement. And if the fundamental way that your platform works is that it doesn't reward how smart you are or how hard you've thought about it, but just raw engagement.”
2026-01-12 · On with Kara Swisher · Imran Ahmed Researches Online Hate. Trump Wants to Deport Him · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“I mean, one of the most interesting things Zuck ever did was he put out a chart a few years ago, which he was trying to explain why they have rules on their platform and why they enforce their rules, which they don't. And on the x-axis, so like, you know, it had how violative the content is. So how close it is to violating their rules. And on the y-axis, it had engagement levels. And what it showed is that engagement is really low, really low, really low until you get the point of being violative and then it just shoots up and it keeps going up.”
2026-01-12 · On with Kara Swisher · Imran Ahmed Researches Online Hate. Trump Wants to Deport Him · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“You and I are both in one respect minorities, right? I mean, no one that's ever listening to me ever knows that I'm brown, but I am actually brown. And, you know, you're gay and there are that these voices were suppressed. Our voices were suppressed. Our ability to, my ability to be anywhere near the public sphere and your ability to be open about who you love and the type of family that you want to have was suppressed. We've benefited from the government actually protecting our right to speech. That's where the government's role. But what the government shouldn't do is give special protections to one kind of company because they're their friends. That's wrong. That's not the way that governments should work. That's, you know, that's.”
2026-01-12 · On with Kara Swisher · Imran Ahmed Researches Online Hate. Trump Wants to Deport Him · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Government doesn't have a role enforcing speech, it has a role in protecting speech. And that's what makes what they're doing to me so outrageous. The government's role is actually to protect the rights.”
2026-01-12 · On with Kara Swisher · Imran Ahmed Researches Online Hate. Trump Wants to Deport Him · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“So, I mean, that's how I'd answer that question let the courts decide, do not change the speech laws, that be madness. Go to court.”
2026-01-12 · On with Kara Swisher · Imran Ahmed Researches Online Hate. Trump Wants to Deport Him · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“So platforms have always said, we're being defended by 230 and the First Amendment. Take 230 away because 230 is like, it's just a blanket ban on being held liable. The problem with not being held liable is, as you will have witnessed yourself, it starts to become a shibboleth. It starts to become an idea that they should never be held liable, neither legally nor morally. It creates a culture of indifference to the harm that they cause. Very well, sir. It's what's driven the sociopathic indifference and greed that these platforms have towards the harm that they cause. And now when I come along and say, well, that's mad. They go censorship.”
2026-01-12 · On with Kara Swisher · Imran Ahmed Researches Online Hate. Trump Wants to Deport Him · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“They've won because of 230, and I think that what we have to do is start looking at where that speech may actually become negligence or knowing indifference and where they might be held liable.”
2026-01-12 · On with Kara Swisher · Imran Ahmed Researches Online Hate. Trump Wants to Deport Him · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“So, I think the First Amendment decides what speech is. And if you remove Section 230, if you could sue a platform, and if it was, if you were trying to sue them for protected speech, the courts would say, sorry, that's protected speech, you cannot see them for it”
2026-01-12 · On with Kara Swisher · Imran Ahmed Researches Online Hate. Trump Wants to Deport Him · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Forms of social media is that it's encouraged democratic and political discourse that's increasingly Toxic, but then it destroys the values that underpin democracy. And that's my real fear, Kara, is that we have a window. To try and get to some sort of renegotiation with tech about the way that their engagement-based algorithms works or the values that underpin democracy and the hard-earned trust that we built in our society collapses. And my family's from Afghanistan, when shit goes bad, it happens fast. In the 70s, we had women in many skirts and Kabul, as my grandfather keeps reminding me because he likes miniskirts. And we had women in government. And it happens real fast. And so those tipping points of the breakdown in trust, the breakdown in truth. Look at Afghanistan there.”
2026-01-12 · On with Kara Swisher · Imran Ahmed Researches Online Hate. Trump Wants to Deport Him · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Screaming match on social media. And I look, I think in a moment like what happened in Minnesota, my heart absolutely, of course, goes out to the family of a young woman, again, as a young, as a dad. I'm not a young dad. I'm in my 40s as a dad. It upsets me enormously to see a six-year-old who won't have their mum come home. That's the worst thing that can happen. But, you know, you've got both sides screaming based on a single video on social media about how one side's a criminal abolish this, abolish that, blah, blah. And actually what we need is, we need, in a moment when we need sober politicians, our information ecosystem is designed in a way that actually advantages the dumbest politicians possible, the liars, the histrionic over reactors, the ones who spin and mislead as much as possible. And I think that's one of the problems that one of the broader...”
2026-01-12 · On with Kara Swisher · Imran Ahmed Researches Online Hate. Trump Wants to Deport Him · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“And I think it's one of the things that makes high profile law enforcement cases so difficult. I mean, I've worked with people in law enforcement. I've sat on the Commission for Countering Extremism. I've worked with, you know, I've talked to and understood the perspectives of people from FBI and DHS and other agencies in the United States. We've never worked with them, but we understand where they come from. And one of the things that makes it really difficult is that instead of the investigative process, which is slow, meticulous, careful, that they're trying to understand exactly what happened and where liability may lie and criminal liability may lie. We instead get”
2026-01-12 · On with Kara Swisher · Imran Ahmed Researches Online Hate. Trump Wants to Deport Him · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“That's when all is lost. It's not when governments behave badly. It's when we just don't care anymore or we lose the will to fight. So that's why these cases matter. Because if we win, it doesn't matter if you're Democrat or Republican. All Americans will have strongest free speech protections from big companies who seek to silence them or the government seeking to punish them.”
2026-01-12 · On with Kara Swisher · Imran Ahmed Researches Online Hate. Trump Wants to Deport Him · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“A legal permanent resident. I abide by the law. I pay my taxes. I create wealth here as well through the work that we do. And so what I actually want is for my, this is about what they're pissed off about is my speech. And that's why I don't want to fight this. I don't want to have a fight with the government. I have to, though, because governments are acting this way are one thing, and governments do act this way, governments are often quite nauseous. But if we accept or we lose the will to fight,”
2026-01-12 · On with Kara Swisher · Imran Ahmed Researches Online Hate. Trump Wants to Deport Him · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“I think this is the core of where we are right now. I have faith in the courts. I've actually, as I said before, I've come, I've gone up against Elon and a court found that he was trying to, he said, look at this sensor, blah, blah, blah. I'm going to sue him for $10 million. And the court said, no, no, you're trying to censor him. You're trying to use lawfare to silence a nonprofit. And they gave us a slap ruling, a strategic litigation against public participation ruling. We got costs awarded, dismissed completely. So I have faith in the courts. But in this case, they're going to position it as we have the right to throw out whoever I want. And I'm going to say, well, no, you don't. You don't have the right to throw someone out.”
2026-01-12 · On with Kara Swisher · Imran Ahmed Researches Online Hate. Trump Wants to Deport Him · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“If you want to ask the question of why I'm currently being targeted by the State Department, why they want to force me to move and take my American family with me, leave the country, or to fight it. And I'm stuck in this country now. I cannot leave this country because I wouldn't be allowed to be readmitted. So if my parents get ill and die, I can't go to their funerals in the UK. I can come back to the point. I feel I have to fight this. The reason why they did that is that one image, that image of them standing there at the inauguration because they are desperate to protect their franchises from the inevitable and the growing, the crescendo of clamor, begging for change.”
2026-01-12 · On with Kara Swisher · Imran Ahmed Researches Online Hate. Trump Wants to Deport Him · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Yeah, I mean. They all claim that they want to fix this, but the truth is that they aren't actually doing it. And now we know that in the last year they have spent a ton of money, a ton of money on lobbying against the precise laws that they once claimed to want. Again, I don't know why this has become political. Having chatbots that don't persuade your kids to kill themselves or generate CSAM should not be a partisan issue and somehow in America we've managed to make it partisan.”
2026-01-12 · On with Kara Swisher · Imran Ahmed Researches Online Hate. Trump Wants to Deport Him · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“You know, Sam Altman actually got it right a couple of years ago when he was still pretending to care about safety, and he went to Congress and he said, I remember him saying, he said, we need accountability and we need legal responsibility. And that's literally the staff framework that we'd written five years earlier. And I was going.”
2026-01-12 · On with Kara Swisher · Imran Ahmed Researches Online Hate. Trump Wants to Deport Him · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Yeah, and I meet too many parents who've lost their kids. I'm sure both of us are parents. It never leaves your soul. It never leaves your soul. And it chips away and it's chipped away at mine a lot over the last seven years.”
2026-01-12 · On with Kara Swisher · Imran Ahmed Researches Online Hate. Trump Wants to Deport Him · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“How quickly could we get it to tell us how to safely cut ourselves? ChatGPT40, two minutes. How quickly could we get it to list what drugs we could take at home to kill ourselves? 40 minutes. How quickly could we get it to write a suicide note for a 65 minutes? And then we bombarded the back end with prompts asking to try to work out quantifying how many times in the probabilistic model. So chat GPT doesn't always give the same answer. So how many times does it give a bad answer? Over half the time it was giving a dangerous answer. A few weeks later, they launched ChatGPT-5. And Sam Altman came out specifically and said, because Adam Raine's case came out two weeks after our fake friends report.”
2026-01-12 · On with Kara Swisher · Imran Ahmed Researches Online Hate. Trump Wants to Deport Him · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Well, to take it down at test, the FTC has the power to find them $52,000 per instance. And this is Melania's Act. And President Trump signed it into law. It's a good act. It's weak, but it's the first substantive piece of liability reform since foster sesta. And that was the first piece since Section 230 30 years ago in 1996. I think that it may push some people to call for action. You may see some tightly written bills which deal specifically with this problem, but we have a more general problem as well. We just did a research report, fake friend, where we did in two modes. First of all, users assimilating being a 13-year-old with mental health problems. So suicidal ideation, eating disorder and drinking drugs problems. And we wanted to see.”
2026-01-12 · On with Kara Swisher · Imran Ahmed Researches Online Hate. Trump Wants to Deport Him · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“The problem in Brussels is no one's back until next week because they're Europeans, and so therefore they have their six week Christmas vacation. And the Brits have said something, but they have no powers. So actually the Prime Minister came out of the United Kingdom and said, it's unacceptable this cannot happen. You're like, so what are you going to do about it, bro?”
2026-01-12 · On with Kara Swisher · Imran Ahmed Researches Online Hate. Trump Wants to Deport Him · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Europeans have kind of reacted. The British have moved slightly faster. The European Union, look, I've got an office in Brussels. We have people there. I have an office in London. We have people there who are talking to lawmakers and everyone else.”
2026-01-12 · On with Kara Swisher · Imran Ahmed Researches Online Hate. Trump Wants to Deport Him · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Essentially, it's an ungoverned space where you can do whatever you want. And without rules, bad shit happens. So the question is, who's going to put the rules there?”
2026-01-12 · On with Kara Swisher · Imran Ahmed Researches Online Hate. Trump Wants to Deport Him · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Exactly. I just think it shows how weak we've been at passing legislation to do common sense things like not allowing AI platforms to produce CSAM, you would have thought that would be the first thing that we'd think we want to fix. We want to make sure it doesn't happen. And of course, somehow we've got to the situation where Elon was at one point boasting about the fact that his platform will put a bikini on anyone. And our argument's always been that if you have ungoverned spaces. So, I mean, in my past, I worked on foreign policy for the United Kingdom. So, you know, we know about ungoverned spaces, like spaces that are ungoverned when I worked on countering terrorism and Islamic State, for example, spaces like Syria, Somalia, they become breeding grounds for al-Qaeda for Al-Shabaab, for ISIS. X became the breeding ground for anti-Semitism when Musk took over. And now Grock has become the breeding ground for pedophiles because”
2026-01-12 · On with Kara Swisher · Imran Ahmed Researches Online Hate. Trump Wants to Deport Him · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“You've got AI legislation all over the country. Because actually, there is a fever pitch. And change organizations like mine, organizations trying to change a system, especially one that's relatively new, this is decades-long work. Nader, it wasn't immediate. It takes years to build up awareness.”
2026-01-12 · On with Kara Swisher · Imran Ahmed Researches Online Hate. Trump Wants to Deport Him · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“I mean, I'm not going to speculate as to, you know, I don't know what his current relationship is with anyone in Washington. I do know that they are escalating and escalating and escalating because, of course, they're feeling the cage coming around them, Kara. Like whether it is the UK passing the Online Safety Act, the European Union and the Digital Services Act, Canada, Mark Carney came to power saying he was going to pass an online harms act.”
2026-01-12 · On with Kara Swisher · Imran Ahmed Researches Online Hate. Trump Wants to Deport Him · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“It's death by a million cuts, right? If you are an organization with revenues of a few million dollars a year, I have 36 staff, data scientists, people who are studying things, advocates, communicators. I mean, all of this means I can't hire people. We can't do things. And so we've had to endure a lot. The truth is, though, that you will know that when you get attention, a lot of people hear our message and go, actually, I quite like the cut of that kid's jib. And so when Elon Sudas, our revenues were about one and a half million globally. Last year they were about 7 million globally. And that's all because that's all the Elon effect. That's the musk bump.”
2026-01-12 · On with Kara Swisher · Imran Ahmed Researches Online Hate. Trump Wants to Deport Him · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“And then we had the State Department take this action. So you say, like, this is an odd time for it to happen. The truth is it's never stopped happening for three years now.”
2026-01-12 · On with Kara Swisher · Imran Ahmed Researches Online Hate. Trump Wants to Deport Him · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Cost us hundreds of thousands of dollars. In total, Foreign agents registration act through his America first legal non profit and referred as to DOJ, which is not true as well. We're not in breach of the Foreign Agents Registration Act. Then we had the FTC start investigating us for being part of a criminal, this is in the last year, being part of a criminal enterprise in which we sit, essentially we control Disney is the argument for the FTC.”
2026-01-12 · On with Kara Swisher · Imran Ahmed Researches Online Hate. Trump Wants to Deport Him · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“As night follows day, he asked us under, and of course, they have the subpoena power. He asked us for all correspondence and contracts between us and any social media company and any branch of government.”
2026-01-12 · On with Kara Swisher · Imran Ahmed Researches Online Hate. Trump Wants to Deport Him · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“So he lost the case, but as soon as he sued us, we immediately got subpoenas from the House Weaponization of the federal government subcommittee. So Jim Jordan's committee. And he asked specifically.”
2026-01-12 · On with Kara Swisher · Imran Ahmed Researches Online Hate. Trump Wants to Deport Him · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Yeah, we want to sue. We're going to sue you under the Lanim Act. So he said, you are secretly funded by Mark Zuckerberg and by Google and by foreign governments and therefore we're going to sue you. And we thought, well, we're not funded by any government or any tech company. So that's nonsense. And that's the first time I met Robbie Kaplan. And I called her up and said, I hear that you're very good at suing billionaires. And she said, I am. And I said, I've got another one for you. And she said, I'll do it.”
2026-01-12 · On with Kara Swisher · Imran Ahmed Researches Online Hate. Trump Wants to Deport Him · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“So, I mean, and he kept asking who's funding you, who's behind you? Because he's a conspiracy theorist. And so he's asking who's behind you. And I took a picture of his screenshot of his tweet and I said, I'll tell you who funds us, the public donate here. And I asked a few friends to retweet me and a few celebrities retweeted and it got a lot of views. We actually brought in a lot of money off the back of it. that really annoyed him. And so the next day he called up the chair of my board and said, I want to speak to you about Imran and the chair of my board said, nope, I'm not his dad. You speak to him. And then the next day, we got a letter from Alex Spiro, his lawyer, saying, we want to.”
2026-01-12 · On with Kara Swisher · Imran Ahmed Researches Online Hate. Trump Wants to Deport Him · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“I mean, why now it's been going on for years is the truth, Kara. So the story of his lawsuit was extraordinary. It started off with him calling me a rat and calling my organization evil online. We did the study that was on the New York Times that showed that when he took over, there was a tripling in the global usage of the N-word on his platform. There was a massive spike in anti-women, anti-LGBTQ plus, anti-Hispanic, anti-Semitic hate on his platform. And that led to him losing a lot of advertisers. His Trust and Safety Council resigned because of the content of our research. And he sued us. And initially, he just was like, you guys are rats, you guys are evil.”
2026-01-12 · On with Kara Swisher · Imran Ahmed Researches Online Hate. Trump Wants to Deport Him · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Now, X broke those rules, and they were fined $114 million, 120 million euros. And apparently that censorship, breaching rules on transparency, that is now censorship, which is odd.”
2026-01-12 · On with Kara Swisher · Imran Ahmed Researches Online Hate. Trump Wants to Deport Him · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Exactly. It's like a label, right? Because we're not eating nutritious food anymore. We're eating ultra processed food. Yeah, right. And I think just a few days ago, the Secretary for Health and Human Services said, we want to reduce the amount of ultra-processed food. I agree. I also agree we should try to reduce the amount of ultra-processed information we're receiving.”
2026-01-12 · On with Kara Swisher · Imran Ahmed Researches Online Hate. Trump Wants to Deport Him · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“The actual fine by the European Commission was because ETS breached its rules on data access. And I think that that's the fundamental most important thing. We need transparency of these platforms. We actually have a right as a public to know how we're being misled, how they are distorting the information that we receive.”
2026-01-12 · On with Kara Swisher · Imran Ahmed Researches Online Hate. Trump Wants to Deport Him · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT