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Ivo Daalder

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first: 2019-01-10
most recent: 2019-01-10
sittings or episodes: 1
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“Going to be more difficult every day goes by because these relationships are in part based on power, but they're really based on trust. You don't alliance relationships and relationship friends are based on the idea that someone's word matters, that when they say we will do X, that X will happen. And that trust is broken in a very fundamental way. And just as in a marriage, where trust has been broken, it's very hard to put it back together. It's not impossible, but it's very hard. So when in this case, I don't see a lot of European countries or Asian friends or countries around the world believing that America's word is still important. And so rebuilding that will take time. And a lot of effort. And I think that whoever is president next, whether a Democrat or Republican, that is goal and must be goal number one. How do you re-establish”
2019-01-10 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 298 - Ivo Daalder · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Multilateral trade. Multilateral trade with the Pacific and Pacific countries. We walked away. The first thing he did, President Trump, in 2017, it is now going into force among the 11 that remained. We have an agreement between the European Union and Canada. The European Union and Japan. Other countries are, China is negotiating trade agreements with folks all over the world. And we're standing by. And I think that's what we're going to be a world in which the United States is A, but no longer the most important actor.”
2019-01-10 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 298 - Ivo Daalder · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“The vacuum will be filled. Because the vacuum would be filled, or it's just there. So if you look at trade negotiations, they're at the moment about 100 different trade negotiations going on in the United States is party to one. Other countries are now negotiating trade agreement. The TPP, which President Obama finished in 2016,”
2019-01-10 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 298 - Ivo Daalder · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Most important way to think about it is that in 2017. What happened in the world? That all actors in the world had to think about what Washington was going to think or do about what they were about to embark on, whether it was a trade negotiation or a negotiation on climate change or using military force or having a coup. The United States was a major, major presence in the mind of global leaders. It mattered what the US thought did or didn't do. Not clear that in 2021. The world's leaders will still be thinking about what the United States.”
2019-01-10 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 298 - Ivo Daalder · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“There's nothing going to happen until leaders meet, and we know when this leader meets, it's not clear where we're going to end up. It's not a good situation.”
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“He's obviously one of the things that the president likes. He likes to be liked. As he said, we're in love at one of his rallies. But that doesn't and can't substitute for policy, which is why we are where we are. A country, North Korea that still has significant nuclear weapons, missile capabilities, that is slowly but surely being brought back in the world. He has another meeting in Beijing with Xi Jinping, not a fourth time that they have met since the beginning of last year. There's a stronger relationship between the South Korean president and a North Korean leader. And we have a president of the United States who says that he looks forward to having another meeting and a national security advisor says that the only way to resolve the differences that we have is at the leader level. So now we know.”
2019-01-10 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 298 - Ivo Daalder · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Well, the president is convinced that a good personal relationship with the leader can substitute for the relationship between countries. Countries have interests.”
2019-01-10 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 298 - Ivo Daalder · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Because all the work has been done. All the work except maybe one or two issues. And then you know that that's the, and maybe only the leaders can bring that one or two issue home. But this case, we started off with a presidential leader meeting, and the North Koreans learned that even though we're sending Pompeo and other people out there to try to...”
2019-01-10 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 298 - Ivo Daalder · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Well, if we knew what it is that he was trying to achieve and what the roadmap is. But what he has now done is he has made it clear to the North Koreans that there is no one in his administration who can speak for him to the North Koreans, and that the only negotiating path is a path that runs through Donald Trump. And that's a dangerous thing because Donald Trump can't be negotiating every agreement with everybody, and he certainly doesn't have the process that allows you to get to that point. Normally, one of the reasons presidents don't meet until the very end to solve the fundamental issues is because you want to know Where the problems lie, what the issues are that need to be resolved, to get as much of the agreement done before you get generally”
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“They certainly have a huge nuclear capability, and there is debate, at least in the public sphere. I don't know what it is in the intelligence sphere about whether they now have the capacity to actually launch a nuclear weapon against the United States territory, but they're darn close. And so they have achieved a fundamental reality of being a nuclear power, and they don't need to test in that sense. So that's a reality that was true, by the way, before Donald Trump became president. A lot of presidents have been confounded by the North Koreans. This is a difficult one.”
2019-01-10 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 298 - Ivo Daalder · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Yeah, in fact, the one thing we got so far as a freeze on missile and nuclear testing by the North Koreans, and that was the North Korean proposal. Let's do a freeze for a freeze, which the Russians.”
2019-01-10 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 298 - Ivo Daalder · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“But the situation we find ourselves in is frankly unchanged from the situation it was when we were shooting verbal rockets at each other. And in some ways if there's a site that is winning in some ways, it's the North Koreans.”
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“Well, the good news is we didn't have a war when we were entering 2018, a year ago, it looked like that's where we were heading, given the rhetoric, both really on both sides when we were trading who had the bigger nuclear button and Farrier and Fury and everything like that. And that's a good thing.”
2019-01-10 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 298 - Ivo Daalder · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“And that we should think about what we do not just in terms of the bottom line, but in a larger context. We cannot succeed unless there is a workforce that allows us to succeed. So what do we do on the educational side? So there is a public-private need of collaboration that's quite different from what we've seen in the last 30 or so years.”
2019-01-10 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 298 - Ivo Daalder · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Or led to Brexit. Exactly. I think, and this is not, this is a whole of society effort that needs to start at educational institutions about how you educate people to be adaptive to change this rapid technological change that you were talking about. It has to involve civil society and a whole variety of groups that can deal with the consequences of rapid change for those, particularly those who are not necessarily benefiting immediately, and it has to happen at the political and at the corporate level. And there's a change happening on the corporate level. The idea that just thinking about the bottom line and shareholders' immediate interest as the only thing that matters, an idea that comes out of the University of Chicago, Milton Friedman, is starting to say, no, maybe we have other obligations. We have social obligations. We have climate and sustainability obligations.”
2019-01-10 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 298 - Ivo Daalder · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Yeah, no, they are. They're very big issues. And the natural tendency politically is because it's a short-term kind of activity is to turn inward and to focus immediately on what is happening in your own country and to mobilize political support through nationalism, through saying we're better than the others, and to use the old-fashioned way of mobilizing political support at times of crisis by finding an enemy, either internal or external. And populism on the left and the right is using that means of differentiation. And so it is in a very fundamental way sort of attacking the core essence of what post-1945 West looked like, which was the idea that rather than looking at your neighbor as an enemy to look at your neighbor as a partner, someone you call Cooperate with you, work together with you, find ways to”
2019-01-10 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 298 - Ivo Daalder · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Been very good at figuring out how to make sure that those who are not immediately benefiting from globalization, from technological change can still be part and parcel of that system.”
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“It's the same phenomenon. I do think if there is one area that the national security community needs to look at is this question of intervention and whether that's the best way to think about how we deal with countries that are problematical, whether it's humanitarian or terrorism or other consequences that we just talked about. The other one is the economic one. I mean, globalization has been extraordinarily beneficial for an extraordinary number of people. More people have escaped poverty in the past 25 years than at any point in history. Christoph had a nice piece the other day in the New York Times about 2018 being yet another great year in which so many good things happen to individuals. But that's the macro sense. On a micro level, there are winners and losers in this game. And our political system and our economic system and maybe our capitalist system”
2019-01-10 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 298 - Ivo Daalder · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“And where his salvation is, he has very little people to hang on and support. So he's in trouble and foreign policy is not going to be the way to get him out of it. I mean, a lot of the stuff.”
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“I'm going to have to steal that. Unfortunately, this is where we're at. I think Merkel is beyond the end of her tenure. She just doesn't have the energy and the political ballast to support her. So a new political alignment and a new way will be found. I actually think I'm pretty optimistic on that. I think the Greens are the most right now, the most supportive internationalist party and on the rise. The CDU is still reasonably strong, so there's a future there. Macron is who was the hope of the great liberal hope for so many has proven that he was a little far forward on his skis, as Colin Powell once said. He's deep into a drift. And the danger is, it's not clear how he gets out of it.”
2019-01-10 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 298 - Ivo Daalder · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“The balance at the moment is not in Europe for all the reasons that you lay out. I think the United Kingdom has taken a holiday from history for the last three years by being completely and totally consumed with trying to figure out its relationship with Europe at the expense of Britain, frankly, of Europe and everybody else.”
2019-01-10 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 298 - Ivo Daalder · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“To find weak spots in our own country and aggravate them and divide us. And he's been extraordinarily successful. Leave aside what would have happened in 2016 without this. Just leave that aside. He has deeply divided the country in a way that only benefits Russia, in which we have seen changes in political alignment with regard to Russia, where the president, not only the president, but the Republican Party has become more sympathetic to Russia. And we now have a debate about this constantly. That's not good for the United States. It's wonderful for Russia. He's doing the same thing in Europe.”
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“I'm concerned because of that latter way of thinking. I do think that Russia is declining superpower. It's no longer a superpower. It's a declining power. But declining powers, particularly those who have military means like Putin still possesses, can be extremely dangerous. And although I don't think it's the greatest geostrategic threat we face, if there is one, it's China, it's not Russia. But I do think it's a very serious competitor of the United States whose goal it is to weaken our power. And it's going to try to do that through a very old fashioned way, which is divide us internally and to divide us from our allies. And it's been Russian policy, Soviet policy, for decades to try to find weak spots in our alignments within our alliances to undermine those. And now that he's taken that to the new level.”
2019-01-10 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 298 - Ivo Daalder · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“He was. In his first big speech, on his first visit, I mean, the idea that the president of the United States, that the first visit you make anywhere in the world is not Canada or Mexico, not London or Berlin, not Tokyo or Seoul, but Riyadh is remarkable. what you do and how you do it as long as you pay.”
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“Side, which is a doesn't really matter what other countries do. I'm not going to lecture you about what other countries do. And in fact, I want to explain it.”
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“Consistent on that, and it was hugely effective. But there's little doubt that by abandoning that kind of posture, not even saying anything about the horrific nature of what happened have no consequences to these actions. It wasn't a question of whether we should blow up the alliance with Saudi Arabia. There is more than embrace and total acceptance and blowing up a relationship that you can do. I think George H.W. Bush showed that with China after the Tiananmen Square, where there was a public condemnation, but quietly there was a way to try to figure out means to work together. Bill Clinton ran on the idea that we're not going to deal with the butchers of Beijing, and Beijing was brought into the WTO under Bill Clinton's leadership. So there are ways in which you can tangle this, but this president has gone all the way to one.”
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“Consistent and executing that. So it's not like before Trump everything was hunky-dory in the world was only listening to the United States and we were very”
2019-01-10 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 298 - Ivo Daalder · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“No, I think you can debate the question about the degree to which American opposition and support for human rights and opposition to this kind of behavior affected the calculations of countries. I actually think it probably did a hell of a lot more than people realize.”
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“Because those weapons need to, people, pilots need to be trained and the munitions need to work, and they need to be kept in good order. You can't just take the U.S. Air Force, which is what in many ways the Saudis have with the largest F-15 purchaser aside from Israel and the United States, and say, okay, we're going to get MIGs, and now we're going to do that and hope that you're as effective.”
2019-01-10 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 298 - Ivo Daalder · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“From the Saudi. That's the tragedy. The tragedy is both particularly on the military side that the $110 billion they keep talking about turns out is only $14 billion, all of which were contracts first negotiated and decided under President Obama. But more importantly, the idea that there somehow is an alternative that the Saudis can go and start buying Russian weapons or Chinese weapons. Well, they can't.”
2019-01-10 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 298 - Ivo Daalder · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I think the way in which the administration dealt with the Khashoggi fallout, and particularly the president himself in this incredible statement that he issued sometime in November, where he basically said because they buy stuff from us, we don't really care what it is that they do has come as an eye-opener. Frankly, do people in the United States, the U.S. Senate moves quite deliberately and strongly against the idea that this was the kind of behavior that one could expect from the President of the United States. But also, I think, again, of countries around the world, they in some ways have taken the measure that the way you can get something from Donald Trump is to give him something that he cares about, which basically is money, and it is a transactional relationship. And out of that, you can build a future relationship.”
2019-01-10 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 298 - Ivo Daalder · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Anywhere outside of Russia is something that is very important to us. That's why I have a strong belief that we should have done more in Ukraine, as it is countering more to counter the Chinese and East Asia is important because these are countries that can actually fundamentally affect our real existential interests. And I think focusing on those threats and building strong coalitions with our allies to countering those threats is something that's very important. And we haven't always succeeded in that.”
2019-01-10 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 298 - Ivo Daalder · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I'm not willing to get in. I think it was the right choice. And I think we learned in places like Somalia and places like even the Balkans and certainly in Iraq that getting a little bit pregnant is not really an option. You either in, in which case you get pulled all the way, or you maybe shouldn't get involved. And I think the idea that a little bit of arming of some people here and a little bit of no-fly zone there would sort of fundamentally change the course of the Syrian conflict. I don't buy. A larger question is whether particularly the red line and the unwillingness to overt unwillingness to really get involved militarily open up the door to the Russians to get involved. And I do think that countering Russian influence”
2019-01-10 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 298 - Ivo Daalder · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Chemical weapons. And I think when a president of the United States makes a strong commitment like that, he needs to follow through. I think if he had tied the threat of the use of force directly to the removal of chemical weapons from Syria, which is in fact what happened in the end, we would have had a textbook example of coercive diplomacy of using the threat of force to get a diplomatic end. And in some ways, that's where we stumbled into. But I think presidents' words are important. I think we're finding this right now. When the president of the United States says one thing and the administration does another thing, countries around the world say, I don't know who I can trust. I don't know who I can live with. So the president's word is important. The basic animating force of President Obama was the idea that unless I know how this ends. Right.”
2019-01-10 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 298 - Ivo Daalder · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“But is that something we want to be doing? That may be true when you win War II and when you're. I'm not sure it's what you want to do in a place like Afghanistan, Iraq, or Syria.”
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“That is the big geopolitical consequence of the war that we started in 2003. And that's what really mattered. Yes, ISIS was a threat. It might not have emerged in the same way. It probably would, but it would have emerged in Syria in some way or another. And this idea that somehow a little bit of troops, and this is what Colin Powell used to say, I get really weary when people start saying a little bit more bombing and we'll be fine. I think it's a lesson we can learn from the post-war period. We can learn it from our interventions in Europe and Bosnia. There's some things we can do, but there are other things we can't. And the idea that somehow a long-term military commitment Will somehow magically work. I think a real big, large military commitment, hundreds of thousands of troops staying for 50 or 60 or 70 years, that may work.”
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“I think the resurgence of ISIS would have been slower and it might not have happened. I think there is some truth to that. What we have fundamentally Altered the course of history. I'm not so sure. I mean, the reality is that Iraq is a wholly owned subsidiary of Iran”
2019-01-10 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 298 - Ivo Daalder · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“And the NSC and was my successor actually at NATO as ambassador, who believed that this was the right move. And the question I have is...”
2019-01-10 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 298 - Ivo Daalder · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Well, they all say, Well, yeah, but we should have just stayed. And it is true that some of the people who were negotiating that agreement thought that let's just three years and we'll revisit it later. But others didn't, including Doug Lute, who was the Iraq war czar in the Bush administration and stayed on.”
2019-01-10 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 298 - Ivo Daalder · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“There was a very small NATO training mission in Iraq, which had to be withdrawn when we withdrew. But the really fundamental... Debate was taking place in Washington and in Baghdad, not in Brussels. So I was more an observer of that debate. I was part of in the transition between the election of Barack Obama and his inauguration. I was part of the team that did the transition for the national security council. And we had intensive conversations at that time because we, the US, were negotiating with the Iraqis on a status of forces agreement, which signed in December of 2008, ended America's military presence in Iraq by the end of 2011. That was a decision and a treaty and an agreement negotiated by the Bush administration and signed by the Bush administration.”
2019-01-10 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 298 - Ivo Daalder · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Well, instinct in the sense that he thought we shouldn't be there and therefore let's just go. And then the impulse is the decision to say, well, today I'm waking up and I decided this is what we're going to do.”
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“But this one has no process, it has a president who governs on instinct. And everybody else just has to accommodate himself to that instinct.”
2019-01-10 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 298 - Ivo Daalder · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Making an argument that we need to have a serious debate about how to think about this. And if Trump is to the one who starts that, all the better. What I would like him to do is to have that debate internally with his advisors and then come out with an agreed strategy rather than tweeting this is what I'm going to do and then they figure out what the strategy is afterwards. So I do think a policy process that you witness in the White House that I witness in the White House. And”
2019-01-10 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 298 - Ivo Daalder · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Was to succeed when, in fact, I think 18 years in Afghanistan, when the situation today in some ways is no better than it was when we found it in 08 and in many ways no better than in 04 or 05, you're asking yourself, what is it that we're trying to do here? And that debate isn't happening in Washington.”
2019-01-10 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 298 - Ivo Daalder · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I think the fundamental question of whether we have the capacity to achieve the objectives we set for ourselves is real. I don't think we have the willingness. I'm not even sure we have the capability to forge a peace on our terms in Syria. I do think we have the capacity military and otherwise to go after ISIS. But once you have achieved that, then what? How long do you need to stay? How long is our commitment? These are fundamental questions that presidents have to, must answer them for themselves. And the nation should debate. And I think the debate has shifted too far in the direction of the McCain, Lindsay Graham, and frankly the military, the general's point of view, which is that a little staying a little longer, using a little bit more force and being willing to do just a little bit more will allow”
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“And I think we're having this debate over Syria right now, this idea that somehow if we stay with 2,000 more troops and we stay a little longer, that things will get better. And I do think it is healthy for us as a nation to start debating all of those questions. And if there is one salutary impact of the strange decision-making process that Donald Trump employs in the White House is that he's actually starting to have those questions be asked on Syria.”
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“And so even if you look at another conflict I was involved in in the 1990s in Bosnia, we ended the war in Bosnia. We're still nowhere on building the real peace. Now, there's no fighting. Nobody's being killed. There are no concentration camps. There's no ethnic cleansing. And it is far preferable than the alternative. And I think it's a good thing. Kosovo, same thing. By the way, we still have troops in Kosovo, even today, to make sure that the fighting doesn't restart. But the idea that you then can move to the next level and really start rebuilding these societies and our image, I think that is a lesson we should now have learned over 25 years, something that we're just not very good at. And even if we had the will to engage in it.”
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“It's worthwhile. That clearly, I think, was his thinking on Syria. In some ways it was the thinking on Libya, which ran out of hand. And I think it is one of the big lessons that we're learning. We're better off at ending wars than...”
2019-01-10 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 298 - Ivo Daalder · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I think that's exactly where we are. One of the reasons there's this sense that Americans want to retrench from the world is because we've had 18 years of war, none of them particularly successful. And I do think the time has come for all of us to sit down and say, what is it that we can do with military force? What is it we can do with the diplomatic and other instruments in these kinds of countries? And I think President Obama came into office pretty reluctant and I think over eight years reaffirmed the idea that we as a country have the capacity both in terms of our willingness of using the resources we have. But also even the capacity to change the internal dynamics in other countries is limited. We probably can't. And therefore a mission that has that as the only way to succeed is probably not a mission.”
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“He has. He said that we should have done more. We should have done more on the planning post war. And we, the United States, dropped the ball. The Allies dropped the ball. I'm more skeptical, I'll be honest. I'm not sure that having owned post-war Libya would have been such a great idea. We haven't had a great record. Yeah, you've written a lot about it.”
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