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Ivo Graham

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  1. So we did shows together in 2009 and 2010, and then we lived together in 2018, 19, 22, 23, and 24. And so some of my earliest memories are with you and sort of kind of having like going for drinks, but sort of like for some of the earliest literal drinks of my life. But then obviously while still not doing a bad effort on that front at times, there have also been a lot more child adjacent days in Edinburgh. Alfie has four children. So we have a combined five children. And two of them are older than my daughter, which she absolutely loves because she can sort of play grown-ups with them. And two of them are younger than my daughter, which she absolutely loves because she can pretend to parent them. And so getting to hang out with your and Jesse's children is like an absolute candy shop of like, if I just get a bit.

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  2. The audience loads tonight, to be fair. But yes, everyone enters Chortle Student Comedian, or certainly did when they started, and they film everyone. And the routines are usually, if not problematic, then just bad. And quite a lot of comics have, I think, is that right, try to get them taken down, but only Ian Sterling was successful because he was a children's TV presenter. So BBC were able to sort of leverage a bit more.

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  3. Thank you. Also, I mentioned this about an hour ago, but I'm not massively proud of my 2009 Anne Frank Heiss routine. I think it suggested I was going to be more of a shock comic than I actually turned out to be.

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  4. For that lovely question. I thought it would be nice to show concision at one point and get an efficient laugh. But it is probably also true.

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  5. Thank you Dreadtiness. It feels like it's going to be what's your biggest failure. Sorry? Was Oh, okay, that's a nice little twist. Sub three marathon or daughter. Next question, please.

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  6. We've got so many already, but we do get through them. That's not one that got cut. I'll keep thinking about that because it was a big process

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  7. Yeah, I've cheated a bit there. That was so close to getting cut, but then I went back and put it back in. When the editor had cut it was off that day.

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  8. Okay, I'll listen to Dad. But no, I think Swindon, we're waiting for you in Leak 2, and we may even come down in your direction. But I think we're going to finish eighth next season or ninth.

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  9. Were you at Wembley? Yes. Were you at Wembley? Oh, we're cooking with gas. So all the shots on the upswind are on the down, and this was never more felt in October 2023 when all the shot was 7-0 up away at Swindon in the FA Cup. Swindon did claw four back to restore some dignity, but we did lose 7-4 in the FA Cup to a lower league team. And it was one of the big stories on the BBC Sport that day. And I watched the news come in while at a day rave in Manchester. And it was a very difficult score not to think that I'd hallucinated. I talked about it on stage to people who weren't hugely interested in the result of Aldershot V. Swinton, but Fat Boy Mike sent me an email saying that it had really validated his status as an all-the-shop fan in his daughter's eyes because she'd never listened. Am I misparaphrasing here? She'd never paid all the shop much respect. But then when I was doffing my cap to the shots, it was like,

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  10. This is a man called Mike. I can't remember his surname, but I can remember that his email username is Fat Boy Mike. And I'm not mainly adding any sort of attention drawing or shaming way. But it is funny to see it in the inbox. Mike supports all the Shop Town who are two divisions currently below Swinton. Support all the shop town as well. It's going to be absolutely sizzling in the kiln bar after this. Wow. In this trophy winning year.

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  11. And I think I perhaps not coincidentally got topics like, at least at first like Glastonbury, which I have certainly written a lot of words in it there in that book. And in the book, I've tried very hard to make the words not repeat unless it's for comic effect. But I got like five seconds into the Glastonbury answer and then got it wrong. I was like, if I can't talk about this, what can I talk about? And my father felt the same. Sue was so nice. Sue is a great pit how nice Sue was and I hope to have another go.

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  12. I'm going to actually say no to that one because obviously I appreciated it, but it's my dad's favorite Radio 4 panel show. So it really was the bar for you're a comedian now and inviting my parents to come and watch it was a very big moment. It was a couple of years ago. And I didn't do quite as well on it as might have been hoped given how much we'd practiced in the car for all those years. And though my parents were proud, there was an undeniable and legitimate note of disappointment as we returned home afterwards.

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  13. I always like it when a QA ends with the interview inviting someone to something and then saying it's a lovely invite but I can't make it all right then

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  14. Yes, yeah, yeah, anywhere other than Amazon, of course, there's a couple of solid disses to Amazon in my book, but then also the book is available to buy there, so it is hypocritical AF. If you went on Amazon, you would see this as an option. And I guess that must be part of the strategy to trip people up to, I mean, I've been tripped up, I've bought it. I've spent £14 on an AI book about myself with a vaguely similar title to my own book, just so that I had it ready to whip out in case I got too sad at the kiln.

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  15. But it's quite scary. So, I don't know if anyone's tried to go on Amazon. I'm not trying to count the book on Amazon, but you will see that there.

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  16. So, this book is also on sale on Amazon, and it's called Ivo Graham, Failure, Fear, and Fame, how Ivo Graham turned setbacks into success by Jason Edward. Jason Edward, I'm almost certain doesn't exist.

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  17. One of the things I'm worried about in general is there's not much of my life anymore that I'm not broadcasting in some way. And I think that's very much the nature of the modern social media and podcast industrial complexes. It sort of demands and excavates everything unless you draw very hard lines. And I think many people very close to me would say, Are you sure that you are doing a bit of processing in private? And the answer would be not enough.

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  18. And I'm aware that that's very delicate. But I am really glad that I'm writing it down because it's dedicated to someone who is a journalist and a historian and always wrote things down. And his memory would just amaze you and delight you, his memory of you and your life. And so I know the value of that so important to me. And so it sounds very cynical to say I decided that that was what the book was going to be about because it was the best way of making sure that I got this stuff down as good as possible. But there was not a more important topic in my life that got shelved so that I could emote for 110,000 words reduced to 90,000. That's what I've been thinking about a lot in the last two years. But I think that talking about it a fair bit in show. And in a podcast and in a book.

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  19. I think I've. Madison, I've lost sight of that, but I don't. Things that I've been most proud of in the last couple of years have been the things that we have done in memory of our friend and others have done some pretty amazing things which I have either sort of participated in or not participated at all. I'm absolutely not leading the charge but I am one of the people in the charge and I am the one writing it all down for my own personal gain

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  20. I've been defining myself by that profession a lot more anyway, and often with something that happens that's often at a gig, I'm not proud enough of my new material because I didn't work on it enough. It's not tight enough. But I know that if something happens in the middle of the gig and I do something that no one else would have done, then that will probably, it didn't really matter if the material that was interrupted was sort of seven out of ten or nine out of then then because it's not the story anymore. And I think I'm compensating a lot of the time for things I'm not doing in our full friends that I'm not in touch with enough. And like a lot of people, as they get older with less time in general, with kids, I'm trying to make big memories with my daughter. And I'm trying to make the most of the times I have with people because it's almost always not enough time.

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  21. Well, I think that's the problem. I think they have worth when you do any kind of, when you're writing books or shows and useful nostalgic things, that technically justifies it. And then when you've lost someone and they've left a lot of memories or photos or traditions, you're really grateful for them then. So I think maybe I've definitely come to understand the comfort of that, but also at the same time I've been as you've sort of noted like

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  22. First pile, and I'll pick up something like a ticket to a show in 2007, and I'll just look at that and think about it for a couple of hours, and I'll text a photo of it to the person that I went to that show with, and I'll think of a more imaginative way in which that ticket might be filed. And then that's probably the end of the tidying window.

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  23. I wanted to. Pay tribute to quite a lot of friends who have propped me up in various different ways in the last few years in particular. And it's dedicated to one of them who's no longer with us. And the caveat town chapter is named after our friend Adam who's no longer with us. And I wasn't anywhere near as close to Adam as you were, but that really sort of rocked our sort of friendship group in our industry a couple of years ago as well. And so I think both of those losses, they immediately you then start polishing memories a lot more of people chasing down any artifacts and photos. I think having a bit more justification, basically every room in my house and every room in my bedroom in my parents' house is covered in piles and my mother is very keen that I tidy them and I'm not very good at tidying my room because what I'll do is I'll go to the

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  24. It's very nice. Yes, he said, we were talking about him directing a show and he came to a work in progress and he was very nice about it, but he said you spent the first half of the hour in caveat town. You've got to get to what you actually want to say. And that was very good advice that I'm yet to really heed.

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  25. Then that led to me sort of bouncing back to doing a show that was again a bit sadder, but calling it theatre, and that's just having that as the same. For the entirety of it, and I've so enjoyed that because it's the same every day.

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  26. So then I thought, oh, this is great. I'm really enjoying living in the moment and chasing these sort of things. But then I tried to do an Edinburgh show that was sort of all that. And I actually was quite disappointed by it as an experience. And also, I just don't think it was quite good enough. I think it was too chaotic. Also, when you don't have enough routine in sort of life in general, to not have a routine for your show either. And to Edinburgh show that year had in 2023 had 20 minutes of material and then sort of 40 minutes of stuff like quite well planned out but Was requiring me to chat and be funny and make stuff out of things. And there were just days when you're just not really feeling up to that. And it's like, well, there's only 20 minutes of material. So in you go anyway.

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  27. Because Taskmaster came out in the spring 2023 when I was still touring that show. So obviously that's a very japes-based operation. And so quite a lot of the new Japes fans were coming to, at times quite heavy set about co-parenting. And so I quickly sort of wanted to basically shelve that material and do literally anything else that happened in the moment to sort of create a taskmaster-esque chaos. And that went really well buying seven different cereals in Potter's Bar and it went really badly trying to make a cheese and onion sandwich on stage live in Folkestone. And it went, someone was sick because of the smell.

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  28. I was doing a sort of a stand up tour, but it was a bit sad point. And I found that quite cathartic in Edinburgh. But actually by the tour, it was just sort of, they didn't want to hear about it in St. Austle in Cornwall in particular.

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  29. Of January next year, Kentishtown Forum, the Arctic Monkey's debut album, 20th anniversary club night, played in full plus associated nostalgic naughties bangers.

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