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Jacinda Ardern

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“I think in leadership particularly in these times there's a tendency at least to be provided with advice to avoid unpredictable situations. And there is often nothing more unpredictable than periods of crisis, but particularly where there's crisis and grief. Understandably.”
2025-06-03 · The Oprah Podcast · Oprah and Jacinda Ardern: A Different Kind of Power · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Experiences, which was a leader in the Muslim community who had just watched members of his congregation been shot and he thanked New Zealand. For me, the Muslim community led. A response that humbled everyone.”
2025-06-03 · The Oprah Podcast · Oprah and Jacinda Ardern: A Different Kind of Power · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“In the book, I talk a little bit about that moment because whilst a lot of the commentary was about me, When I was photographed at that time, I was listening to one of the most humbling.”
2025-06-03 · The Oprah Podcast · Oprah and Jacinda Ardern: A Different Kind of Power · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“I, and you know, no one told me I needed to do that. No one counseled me. Often people ask me about that decision By all I remember thinking was I'm going into the community space they have just lost an incredible number of their family members and their loved ones the least I can do is show respect in that moment and so I all I really remember from that moment as I packed from Wellington to get ready to go to Christchurch was calling a friend and asking if she had a scarf I could use. No one counseled me either way. It just felt like the least I could do in that moment.”
2025-06-03 · The Oprah Podcast · Oprah and Jacinda Ardern: A Different Kind of Power · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“These were, I mean, incredibly challenging moments that only I would have understood exactly the things the community were grappling with had I been there. And I think one of the things about empathetic leadership is that you just instinctively feel like you need to be on the ground closest, in closest proximity to where the crisis has happened.”
2025-06-03 · The Oprah Podcast · Oprah and Jacinda Ardern: A Different Kind of Power · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“So, when people, particularly members of the Muslim community from around the world, comment on it, I mostly feel sadness. Shouldn't it be a given that after experience like that, that you respond with humanity?”
2025-06-03 · The Oprah Podcast · Oprah and Jacinda Ardern: A Different Kind of Power · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“He did. He wanted to create an internal warfare. He saw New Zealand as too inclusive. Too welcoming in particular. and he came to our country with the intention to try and cause division. And in my mind, I simply reflected in the aftermath the sentiment that I saw and I felt from New Zealanders, which was first and foremost an overwhelming sense of grief, anger that someone would come and perpetrate such violence on our Muslim community. And an utter rejection of everything he represented. I had never felt more privileged to lead than I did during that period because I saw ultimately what New Zealanders did in response to that attack and the response of our Muslim community, which was deeply humbling.”
2025-06-03 · The Oprah Podcast · Oprah and Jacinda Ardern: A Different Kind of Power · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Absolutely. The idea, and because this was the motivation of the person who undertook this attack, His entire motivation was to other members of our community.”
2025-06-03 · The Oprah Podcast · Oprah and Jacinda Ardern: A Different Kind of Power · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“I think in leadership sometimes we're presented with this idea that you have to fit a particular mold. And so often parts of that mold tell you not to show emotion, not to share or show how you're feeling in any given moment. And during the aftermath of the shooting, it was almost impossible for me not to feel deeply what had happened to our Muslim community in our country. It just wouldn't have been possible to hide that for me.”
2025-06-03 · The Oprah Podcast · Oprah and Jacinda Ardern: A Different Kind of Power · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“And I remember we were very open about the fact that he was going to be the primary caregiver and I remember afterwards him sharing with me that he had had a number of men who would come and almost talk to him behind a closed hand about the fact that they had been the primary caregiver too and so the chance to spotlight that normalized that we will all have different seasons. And while my season was in office, his season was the opportunity to form this beautiful relationship with our daughter. And then he'll have a season and then I'll take on different roles. And for me, that's a beautiful partnership to have.”
2025-06-03 · The Oprah Podcast · Oprah and Jacinda Ardern: A Different Kind of Power · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Then I know how lucky I was. I was lucky and so knowing that, you know, I remember them, I've always been interested and focused on child poverty, and I put a lot of that back to observations growing up as a child. I had a wonderful childhood, but I observed children who didn't have what I had. And then becoming a mother and experiencing having a village, I then became focused on, what about all those soul parents? What about all those women who are doing this alone? How? How do they do that? And so extending paid parental leave, increasing government support for parents raising children alone, increasing access to childcare, even giving special leave to women who experience miscarriages. All of that became part of our agenda. And that was because as a government, we really thought about what it is to be. Appearing in the world.”
2025-06-03 · The Oprah Podcast · Oprah and Jacinda Ardern: A Different Kind of Power · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Yes, you can do it all, but don't do it alone. Don't expect to do it alone. Wonder Woman needed a deserves a sidekick too.”
2025-06-03 · The Oprah Podcast · Oprah and Jacinda Ardern: A Different Kind of Power · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“I did not think they were aimed on us, and so again, I think it was just a moment where you were getting on with what was required and then afterwards, afterwards was the moment that I thought, well, I guess that was a historic moment. And if there's any message I want people to take, it's that there I am with my partner. Behind me is the person who made sure that we had a bassinet for Nive and a place to be in between time. My foreign policy advisor, she covered us so that we could go to the... President's reception, you know, I had a team and how lucky was I.”
2025-06-03 · The Oprah Podcast · Oprah and Jacinda Ardern: A Different Kind of Power · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“And I didn't, I don't even remember thinking about the magnitude of that moment. You know, for me, it was just pure logistics. When he was four months old, I was still breastfeeding. She had to come with me. And actually, the moment when she was photographed, I mean, you can tell it. We're not aware we're being photographed. That is one of the more presentable photos of me. Because we're in the floor, it was at an event to mark the legacy of Nelson Mandela. And so the entire floor was not full at that time. And so I didn't, the press you couldn't see. I could just hear the clicking. Click, click, click, click, click.”
2025-06-03 · The Oprah Podcast · Oprah and Jacinda Ardern: A Different Kind of Power · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Yeah, so hide the morning sickness. Hide the fact you can't quite walk straight after birth just Make it look Does require support.”
2025-06-03 · The Oprah Podcast · Oprah and Jacinda Ardern: A Different Kind of Power · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“I was at that time only the second leader in the world to give birth an office. And so I felt a certain amount of pressure to make sure. No one could question that it impaired my ability to do the job. Because what would that then say to anyone else Know another leader, another politician.”
2025-06-03 · The Oprah Podcast · Oprah and Jacinda Ardern: A Different Kind of Power · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“I'd a village, I'd an incredible partner who Traveled. Now, husband who traveled with me, who is our primary caregiver, and if anything I'd like to put the spotlight on that because I don't think we should have an expectation that women do everything,”
2025-06-03 · The Oprah Podcast · Oprah and Jacinda Ardern: A Different Kind of Power · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“I was determined, I was determined. And now looking back on it, I see there were lots of reasons why I was determined. I think I saw it as a series of many tests, the tests of motherhood, you know, the tests to prove that I was doing what I was meant to do. But it was hard and it didn't come easy for me. The rest of the setting didn't come easy. Yeah, it didn't. And I think I had this idea in my head that... Eventually, it's just meant to work, but it wasn't like that. And I think it's not like that for a lot of women. And one of the reasons I wanted to write about it was to just demonstrate that out there in the images that we present sometimes it may have looked like I was Wonder Woman. It may have. But I would hate that to be the sentiment because yes, I was doing a lot and I was caring a lot, but I had a support network.”
2025-06-03 · The Oprah Podcast · Oprah and Jacinda Ardern: A Different Kind of Power · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“I didn't know if I loved the universe in that moment. I think I have probably natural levels of anxiety for someone who's 37 years old and 10 weeks ago did not anticipate being in this position. And who's also pregnant”
2025-06-03 · The Oprah Podcast · Oprah and Jacinda Ardern: A Different Kind of Power · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“I thought you could not write this. Until you did. So it. I talk a lot more about how that was a bit of a surprise because having a child had been something we had thought about, but it did not come easy to me. And so it was a real surprise.”
2025-06-03 · The Oprah Podcast · Oprah and Jacinda Ardern: A Different Kind of Power · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“There was one of the obviously there's a number of things that suggest maybe you should think about taking a test. I don't remember at the time them being large red flags for me. Any large read flags, just feeling a bit off is how I would describe it. And a friend of mine suggested I take a test and so on in the middle of negotiations to find out I would be whether I would be Prime Minister. I first found out I was pregnant. So”
2025-06-03 · The Oprah Podcast · Oprah and Jacinda Ardern: A Different Kind of Power · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“37. Yeah. And then the election. In New Zealand, we have a system a little bit similar to Germany. You don't always know on election night who has the numbers to form a government. So on election night, it was not clear cut. There was one small party that held the balance of power and they decided they would negotiate with both us and one other party. So we're in the middle of those negotiations.”
2025-06-03 · The Oprah Podcast · Oprah and Jacinda Ardern: A Different Kind of Power · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Sense of responsibility. And so the moment came that he said, Well, I'm nominating you and I believe you need to step up. It was just time for the sense of responsibility.”
2025-06-03 · The Oprah Podcast · Oprah and Jacinda Ardern: A Different Kind of Power · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“I did not I did not but there's always, you know, I think everyone can identify with that idea that sometimes you can have these jeweling Know these dueling sentiments, these jeweling values, the idea on the one hand, that lack of confidence on the other.”
2025-06-03 · The Oprah Podcast · Oprah and Jacinda Ardern: A Different Kind of Power · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“I had a sense that he'd suggested that if anyone was going to take over that he thought it should be me. I thought it absolutely. And you wouldn't.”
2025-06-03 · The Oprah Podcast · Oprah and Jacinda Ardern: A Different Kind of Power · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Absolutely. I did not appreciate that he looked at me It's the possible replacement. A week after that conversation, he came to work one day, he quit and he nominated me, and so I then found myself in the position of leading the party into an election.”
2025-06-03 · The Oprah Podcast · Oprah and Jacinda Ardern: A Different Kind of Power · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“We're seven weeks out from the election and one day my boss and I, we received poll numbers that say we're heading south. Things are not looking good. And my leader, Muse is aloud to me. Maybe I should step down. And the panic alarm rings for me in my head. The idea that he's contemplating departure seven weeks out from an election.”
2025-06-03 · The Oprah Podcast · Oprah and Jacinda Ardern: A Different Kind of Power · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Your patty. And so I was the deputy leader. Now, in New Zealand, being deputy leader does not mean you are the Nixon line. It means actually probably you're not too threatening. Yes. You're there as, you know, a support person to the leader. Which is where”
2025-06-03 · The Oprah Podcast · Oprah and Jacinda Ardern: A Different Kind of Power · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“That extraordinary moment, what was going on? Well, it was an extraordinary moment in a string of extraordinary moments. So I was the we'd been in opposition for nine years. So we had not been in government for a long time. And so it's pretty soul-destroying to be in that situation.”
2025-06-03 · The Oprah Podcast · Oprah and Jacinda Ardern: A Different Kind of Power · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“But my experience is that often people sacrifice a lot to be there, and most of the time, most of the time it's for the right reasons.”
2025-06-03 · The Oprah Podcast · Oprah and Jacinda Ardern: A Different Kind of Power · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“And the thing that I think increasingly turns people off politics is the way that it's seen in the public domain is that people don't have their eyes on improving people's lives, that they're in the politics, they're in their politics. Right.”
2025-06-03 · The Oprah Podcast · Oprah and Jacinda Ardern: A Different Kind of Power · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“It will. Certainly, that seems to be, I think, the assumption we have. And yet, I think people would also agree that politics is a hard place to be. It is a hard place to be. And so for the most part, my experience, at least in New Zealand, was that for the most part, even when you're on different sides of the house, for the most part, people are usually motivated. Improve the place they live in, to improve the lives of the people around them. They often just have very different ideas of what that looks like.”
2025-06-03 · The Oprah Podcast · Oprah and Jacinda Ardern: A Different Kind of Power · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“And so I made a decision that okay, then that was something I was going to hang on to and it might not make me a successful politician because if our markers of success in politics are in leadership are to be overly confident or to bring ego or to be brash or Maybe I wouldn't succeed, but that's okay”
2025-06-03 · The Oprah Podcast · Oprah and Jacinda Ardern: A Different Kind of Power · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Before it might not have always articulated it as kindness. You know, at first I think when I went into politics, you know, the cut and thrust was always the bit that I struggled with. You know, we have a Westminster system in New Zealand, so it can be quite aggressive. It can be a bit of a beer pit. And I remember feeling that she actually is a thin skinned sensitive person. It was a hard place to be. And so originally I thought, well, to survive here, I have to toughen up. But there was a politician who rightly pointed out to me that actually being sensitive as a form of empathy, and that actually can be a kind of power.”
2025-06-03 · The Oprah Podcast · Oprah and Jacinda Ardern: A Different Kind of Power · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“And I remember coming through one day and seeing my dad surrounded by what a reflection I know were gang members. And I knew enough to know that it looked like a pretty bad situation. And my dad clocked me, and he told me to just keep walking. And, you know, so off I went, but then worrying the entire time about how my dad got out of that situation. That night I asked him about it, thinking that because he was so outnumbered, that he must have had to have used force in some way. And he looked so disappointed at my assumption, and I remember him saying to me, The greatest tool that I have will always be my words. You know, and so he was someone who modelled role model, I think, to me, as did my mother, the importance of communication, the importance of empathy, the importance of kindness, even in such a difficult job like policing. And so I think that was probably some of the earliest examples for me of how there can be a strength and a power to kindness and empathy, which we often forget in leadership.”
2025-06-03 · The Oprah Podcast · Oprah and Jacinda Ardern: A Different Kind of Power · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“And there were so many times when I saw him policing in the community, but we lived in a very small town for a time. And so I got to see close up him at work. And he always had, I think, that approach to policing, that he was a member of a community first and foremost. And if he was going to police successfully, he needed to build trust. And to build trust, he needed to try and bring dignity to the work that he did. I remember one day I was only little, I probably would have been maybe six or seven, and to get into to walk into the little township which I'd do every so often to go and get a bag of lollies or something I would cut through the car park of the police station.”
2025-06-03 · The Oprah Podcast · Oprah and Jacinda Ardern: A Different Kind of Power · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“You mentioned earlier, my father, you know, and actually both my parents. Were incredible role models, and in the process of writing about childhood, one of the things that came through to me clearly, which I already knew to be true, was how influential their example was to me. My father was a policeman for 40 years before retiring.”
2025-06-03 · The Oprah Podcast · Oprah and Jacinda Ardern: A Different Kind of Power · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“In the face of isolationism, protectionism, racism, the simple concept of looking outwardly and beyond ourselves, of kindness and collectivism might just be as good a starting point as any.”
2025-06-03 · The Oprah Podcast · Oprah and Jacinda Ardern: A Different Kind of Power · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“And perhaps this is one of the reasons why I feel so motivated to talk about and articulate and to say out loud the thing that I think some people just don't, which is, yeah, I've had a confidence gap my whole life still do. It's not something I think you can magically disappear or press away.”
2025-06-03 · The Oprah Podcast · Oprah and Jacinda Ardern: A Different Kind of Power · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Why do you think that you'll be a travel agent? She said, I just think someone else will be better at being a doctor. Than I will be. And here we are. I mean, this young woman, what is it in her life at that early stage had given her that mindset? But it was there. And so I... I do think there are more people than we know.”
2025-06-03 · The Oprah Podcast · Oprah and Jacinda Ardern: A Different Kind of Power · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“and they diligently saw them all thinking for a moment, writing it down, and then I said to them, Now I want you to write down what you think you'll do. And you know in a way it was a trick question I thought that they'd be confused by it. I thought they'd write the same thing twice. Nope, straight away pins were picked up and they wrote down what they believed. And I asked a handful of them, okay, tell me your dream job and one girl said to me I'd like to be a doctor and I said that's wonderful and what do you think you'll be without skipping a bead? Oh, I'll be probably a travel agent. You're these two vastly different occupations and I asked you.”
2025-06-03 · The Oprah Podcast · Oprah and Jacinda Ardern: A Different Kind of Power · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Police officers incredible role models. Incredible role models. And so this, you know, when I think back, what was the source of this confidence gap? I couldn't tell you. I think that. A number of people who have talked about it often might say the same thing. It's something they identify quite early on and they can't tell you its origin. But I noticed it in our young people And I remember as a young member of Parliament going in to give a speech about leadership to a group of young women, they were aged from probably about 13 to 15. I went through an exercise with them where I said, I want you to write down your dream occupation, the thing that you, if you could do anything, would love to do with your life.”
2025-06-03 · The Oprah Podcast · Oprah and Jacinda Ardern: A Different Kind of Power · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“I struggle to pinpoint the origin of it. It certainly was. I mean, I had the most encouraging family. I had wonderful teachers. Not just in”
2025-06-03 · The Oprah Podcast · Oprah and Jacinda Ardern: A Different Kind of Power · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“He was 14 years old when someone first used the term imposter syndrome. It was just like something clicked. Suddenly, I had words to describe how I'd felt for every speech competition I did or any challenge where I just had a bit of a seed of doubt and a fear that something might expose that I shouldn't be there. I think a lot of people have it. I know not a lot of people do it, but we don't talk about it because we have that fear that if you are too articulate, that that will be a sign of weakness, that people will lack confidence in you. You say. A lot of people”
2025-06-03 · The Oprah Podcast · Oprah and Jacinda Ardern: A Different Kind of Power · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Landed with this. And for me, I think a different kind of power, I think I could go as far back as to say I really grew up with a series of character traits that over the years I believed were weaknesses, things that I thought would hold me back in life, you know, a lack of confidence being a significant one.”
2025-06-03 · The Oprah Podcast · Oprah and Jacinda Ardern: A Different Kind of Power · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Ran. It was just. And they said to me, but it might convey that people should, you know, turn their back on challenging opportunities. And I said, well, that's part of the appeal for me because actually my first instinct when faced with really... Know huge responsibility was run, but actually, I also wanted it to be a call to action to push through that, to take on the opportunity. Run for elected office or whatever might come your way. But in the end decided it might be misconstrued as a jogging book. And so...”
2025-06-03 · The Oprah Podcast · Oprah and Jacinda Ardern: A Different Kind of Power · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“It was a real process. I don't know whether I'm meant to share the iterative process. You know, I remember one of the early titles I floated with the publisher.”
2025-06-03 · The Oprah Podcast · Oprah and Jacinda Ardern: A Different Kind of Power · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“And Let's not forget. I remember seeing recently that you had planned or at least wanted to hike in New Zealand to mark your birthday.”
2025-06-03 · The Oprah Podcast · Oprah and Jacinda Ardern: A Different Kind of Power · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“And I just yelled, Kiora, and then you just hear a Kiora ring out back in response. You know, wherever you are in the world, there's that affinity because you come from such a Special place, and everybody.”
2025-06-03 · The Oprah Podcast · Oprah and Jacinda Ardern: A Different Kind of Power · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“The people. I do think the people, you know, and there's something that I've missed since I've been away, but you can still spot a New Zealander when you're out in the world often, you know, little things. I'll be walking through an airport. Recently, I saw someone walk past me with a... With a piece of greenstone Ponamu around their neck”
2025-06-03 · The Oprah Podcast · Oprah and Jacinda Ardern: A Different Kind of Power · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT